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Re: Hague Return Denied
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2009, 01:19:29 PM »
You're right Teena.  We need a full list going on and the countries and maybe Dateline would do that?  I don't know, but at least we as a group could be emailing the proper people for the LBP.  What do you think?  I know we could be doing somthing for Carlos, but I don't know who we could be emailing.  We need to target Mexico as well, or just hire a drug cartel :)

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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2009, 01:45:00 PM »
Maybe we could get a team going and write down a list of all the LPB's willing to go on the show and a short story (so the editors don't get overwhelmed) of each parent to send to dateline. Then we could do a mass email.
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Re: Hague Return Denied
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2009, 01:55:28 PM »
In the meantime, couldn't we do a big email to some people in Mexico about Carlos and the Hague being ignored?  Carlos, would you like us to do this?

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Re: Hague Return Denied
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2009, 02:15:03 PM »
Thank you all for your support.  We are working on the appeal now.  That fact that I would file an appeal or contest one my wife filed, has long been a foregone conclusion.  I began paying my attorney's fees in advance to handle the appeal months ago.  

The judge claims I consented to the abduction because I gave my wife a notarized permission document to travel to Mexico in October of 2007 because my wife's aunt, who was like a mother to her, was dying of cancer.  In the notarized permission slip I explicitly wrote that the trip was a tourist visit for two months.  The judge also claims that my wife never returned from that trip and that I waited till August of '08 to file the Hague Application (which would still be within one year) and thus must have consented to the abduction... even though I've submitted hundreds of pictures and a video of my son that were taken here in the US that are later than that trip; the most recent of which on his birthday in May of 2008.  She claims that it's "impossible to determine the child's age" in the pictures (even though the cake says Happy Birthday Sage).  

My son was 6 months old in October of 2007 and was a year old at the time of the last pictures I took here in the US.  Apparently it's impossible to tell that a child that can walk and run and play is not a six month old baby that can't stand on his own..  I also submitted a NC vehicle title that my wife applied for in April of 2008, though the judge says that could have, somehow, been issued to her without her entering the US and going to the Department of Motor Vehicles in person to request it (she makes no mention of the fact that my wife put down our US address as the address of residence in the title).  

My lawyer is working with the Secretary of Foreign Relations in Mexico to get evidence of the dates my wife and son have entered Mexico and I am trying to work with the Office of Children's issues to get evidence of the dates they have entered the USA.  The OCI is pushing back saying, first that they don't have access to that information, then that it may not exist and then that they may not be able to give it to me since it would be violating the privacy of MY WIFE and MY SON.  I have spoken with several people in the OCI including the Abduction Chief this morning who eventually made the vague promise that they would contact my attorney directly and give him what he needed...  Though it's not clear who will decide what he "needs"...  It's sad but I think my attorney will have more success getting this information out of the Secretary of Foreign Relations in Mexico than I will getting it from the OCI here in the US.
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« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2009, 02:49:10 PM »
Yea I tried to get info on passport of someone who I know aided and abetted in the abduction and sorry ole Department of State said "ohh we can't do that it's policy"...whatever, is it also policy to be extremely neglegent and useless to LBP?? I guess so...losers
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Re: Hague Return Denied
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2009, 03:34:02 PM »
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Carlos, I am so sorry. Is there anything we can do? Please let me know. This can't be the end. You have to keep fighting and we will help.

I'm sorry Carlos, yes please let us know, if there anything that we can do.

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« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2009, 06:39:18 PM »
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Yea I tried to get info on passport of someone who I know aided and abetted in the abduction and sorry ole Department of State said "ohh we can't do that it's policy"...whatever, is it also policy to be extremely neglegent and useless to LBP?? I guess so...losers


It's one thing to claim some random person's privacy can't be violated.  It's quite another to claim that the privacy of a child abductor and the child can't be violated in the course of having the child returned... especially when the person requesting the information is the legal husband of the abductor and father of the child.
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Re: Hague Return Denied
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2009, 08:42:01 PM »
CARLOS, I AM SO SORRY TO KNOW THIS. THIS IS SO TERRIBLE AND I KNOW HOW DO YOU FEEL. PLEASE KEEP THE FAITH, PRAY AND GOD WILL ANSWER. YOU AND SAGE ARE ALWAYS IN MY PRAYERS AND I ASK THE LORD TO GIVE YOU THE STRENGHT THAT YOU NEED AND PUT IN ORDER EVERYTHING SO YOU CAN BE REUNITED SOON. SOMETIMES WE DON'T FIND THE JUSTICE IN HUMAN BEINGS, BUT JUSTICE COME FROM GOD.
I FEEL ANGRY FOR THE INSENSITIVITY AND IGNORANCE OF THE AUTHORITIES MANAGING THE HAGUE TREATY.
IF I CAN HELP IN SOMETHING I'LL BE HERE MY FRIEND.

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« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2009, 09:30:04 PM »
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CARLOS, I AM SO SORRY TO KNOW THIS. THIS IS SO TERRIBLE AND I KNOW HOW DO YOU FEEL. PLEASE KEEP THE FAITH, PRAY AND GOD WILL ANSWER. YOU AND SAGE ARE ALWAYS IN MY PRAYERS AND I ASK THE LORD TO GIVE YOU THE STRENGHT THAT YOU NEED AND PUT IN ORDER EVERYTHING SO YOU CAN BE REUNITED SOON. SOMETIMES WE DON'T FIND THE JUSTICE IN HUMAN BEINGS, BUT JUSTICE COME FROM GOD.
I FEEL ANGRY FOR THE INSENSITIVITY AND IGNORANCE OF THE AUTHORITIES MANAGING THE HAGUE TREATY.

IF I CAN HELP IN SOMETHING I'LL BE HERE MY FRIEND.

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« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2009, 11:44:30 AM »
Carlos, isn't today the deadline for your appeal? What is going to happen?

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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2009, 12:57:34 PM »
What happened to the posts between 4/29 and today 5/6?  Could the people that are deleting posts provide some feedback as to why they are deleting them?  It's not the first time I've seen one of my posts disappear...
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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2009, 01:04:37 PM »
Why, for instance, was this post deleted?

I woke up this morning to a phone call from Martha Pacheco, Abduction Unit Chief of the State Department’s Office of Children’s Issues.  Ms. Pacheco told me they had tried to call my lawyer this morning as well, which would have been around 7:00AM Mexico time, but that they got a message that his Telcel cell phone couldn’t be reached.  I told her they should try again because I also get those messages from time to time but when I call back 15 minutes later I get through.  In the Kafkaesque 15 minute conversation that ensued Ms Pacheco told me that records were not always kept during land crossings between Mexico and the US.  I repeated to her that that was fine; I only wanted the records that did exist and had already given Saul Leyva the date, airline and number of a flight she had taken from Mexico into the US.  She informed me that this was not the role that the OCI typically played and that they aren’t allowed to give legal advice and don’t have the information I’m asking for.  Furthermore, she said, the information I’m looking for would be of no use to me in my legal case since Mexico and the US share a land border that allows the fluid entry and exit of person’s between the two countries so proving she entered a country would not prove the date of the illegal abduction/retention.  I informed her again that my wife claims to have not entered the US since October of 2007 and any evidence of entry proves she is lying, but couldn’t help but wonder if, moments after she said they couldn’t give me legal advice, she was giving me legal advice, so I asked her if she was a Mexican attorney, to which she replied that she was not, but then, why was she telling me that the information I was requesting was of no use to me in my appeal when my Mexican attorney is the one telling me to obtain this information?  Furthermore, Ms Pacheco said that the OCI didn’t have that information and asking them for it was like asking a plumber to fix my electrical system (guessing she’s a big fan of Joe the plumber).  I told her that I felt it was more like asking a general contractor to work with the plumber and that I know the OCI has a working relationship with every other relevant US agency and that if I went to those agencies directly they would only tell me to work with the OCI.  At various points she said to me something to the effect, a decision was made in your case, sometimes including that the appeal is up to you and your attorney.  I felt the subtext of those statements were, we consider your case closed, we agree with the family courts decision, and aren’t going to get involved.

It sure is nice to know that, in my struggle to have my kidnapped son returned to his home and family in the USA, I have the full support of the US government behind me.
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« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2009, 01:09:11 PM »
There were also posts here by Devon, Wendy and my mother that I can definitively remember..
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« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2009, 01:10:36 PM »
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Carlos, isn't today the deadline for your appeal? What is going to happen?


Not sure what I can say without this response being silently and seemingly arbitrarily deleted.. but my lawyer is driving to Guanajuato to turn in our appeal without the information we requested from the OCI.
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« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2009, 01:13:45 PM »
bleh.. guess working with OCI has me paranoid... all the "deleted" posts are not in this thread :/ they are in the "Need Help" thread..  wish I could delete these..
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