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Offline ChristineS

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Re: "The earth trembles"
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2009, 02:12:53 PM »
Excellent news.  Looks like Karma has found these creeps once again.

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Re: "The earth trembles"
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2009, 07:10:32 PM »
THANK YOU FOR THAT INFO BOB - TRULY THE BRIGHTEST SPOT WE'VE SEEN IN WEEKS !!!!! THAT IS TRULY TERRIFIC ! SURE WOULD BE NICE IF A FEW MORE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE AND TOOK A FEW SWINGS - (so -to-speak) Thank you again - made my day !

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Re: "The earth trembles"
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2009, 10:35:43 PM »
Quote from: Grace;21884
It is shame this is becoming a US vs. Brazil issue.

In all honesty, I'm not sure there is any way to avoid it. If Brazil does not follow international law and live up to its obligations, someone has to take a stand and demand that the Brazilian government returns abducted American citizens. If it begins with the US getting tough with Brazil, so be it. This is an international campaign and other countries will follow suit and demand their children also be returned. It will not stop simply with one child and one case. Things will only get worse for Brazil until they act and they better figure that out soon. As far as I'm concerned, good for Ambassador Sobel. He probably was told that the Lins e Silvas were sitting at the table across from him and got sick to his stomach. I'm sure it was the last straw for him, enough is enough already.

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Re: "The earth trembles"
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2009, 11:02:07 PM »
Quote from: gil;21857
is this a bad translation, or do they really refer to JPLS as Sean's "father"?


And considers Sean a female... :conf:
Devon Davenport - Father of Nadia Lynn ;)

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Re: "The earth trembles"
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2009, 11:30:36 PM »
CONGRATULATIONS,
AMBASSADOR SOBEL!!!!!!!!!!:cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer:

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Re: "The earth trembles"
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2009, 12:58:19 AM »
Love it! Finally someone that matters is calling the LES family out. :cheer:

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Re: "The earth trembles"
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2009, 02:04:11 AM »
Quote from: Bob D'Amico;21832
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Google Translation
 
The earth trembles
The columnist Alcemo Gois, of O Globo, announced that the School of Law, FGV canceled on Friday (15 / 5) at the last minute, a dinner at the Copacabana Palace for Antonin Scalia, minister of the U.S. Supreme Court. According to Ancelmo, it was in protest against the decision of the American ambassador in Brazil, Clifford Sobel, to veto the presence of lawyers from Lins e Silva family. All because of controversy over the fate of the boy Sean Goldman, who lives with his step-father, João Paulo Lins e Silva.
 
HOORAY for Ambassador Sobel!!!


Haha.. they piss off a US Supreme Court Judge.. one of the only 9 people whose vote was counted in the 2000 election, because they want the dark side to be able to attend the dinner?  I think it might be safe to say that David just gained a strong ally on the US Supreme Court.
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Re: "The earth trembles"
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2009, 03:36:10 AM »
We need international pressure, the brazilian authorities felt their obligations.
 
The Brazilian Secretariat for Human Rights (SEDH) last september 28th/08 says at its site that will Intervenes to Return American Child to Biological Father:
 
From the point of view of the Secretariat for Human Rights, as the biological father exercises the legal custody of the child in the United States, the establishment of temporary custody rights in Brazil on behalf of the step father violates the Hague Convention. For this reason, the Secretariat sent a formal message to the National Council of Justice to manifest its concern with the conduction of the case by the local Family court.
http://www.presidencia.gov.br/estrutura_presidencia/sedh/noticias/ultimas_noticias/MySQLNoticia.2008-09-26.5800
(The full article in english is attached)
 
Now the Minister Vannhuchi (SEDH minister)says the oposite. Why?
we know the reason and must pressure Lula to ask Vannuchi to do his home work.
SOS Hillary Clinton is our chance.
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Re: "The earth trembles"
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2009, 07:34:09 AM »
Quote from: Grace;21884
It is shame this is becoming a US vs. Brazil issue.

It actually has the potential of becoming a Brazil vs the World issue.
 
As Vannuchi found out from feedback he received in his recent visit to Europe, Brazil is dangerously close to becoming regarded on the int'l stage as a lawless nation with an irresponsible judiciary.
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Re: "The earth trembles"
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2009, 08:00:20 AM »
HURRAY! Finally someone that will take a stand for what is right!!!!!!!! We applaud the Ambassador.

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Re: "The earth trembles"
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2009, 08:14:13 AM »
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YES! This made my cloudy Sunday morning brighter! Take that LeS! Congrats Sobel for sticking your neck out.

Absolutely!!
And what's interesting, while we fight to keep this battle from being a battle between countries... BR is caring less for it.
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Re: "The earth trembles"
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2009, 09:04:38 AM »
woooooooooooooo Hooooo !

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Re: "The earth trembles"
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2009, 09:33:14 AM »
The debate between Elisabiatch on the Globo blog comments and us is whether this was an isolated decision by Sobel or a decision from the US Department. She believes it was only his, I say the State Dept. And maybe even the White House was consulted. What do you think?
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Re: "The earth trembles"
« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2009, 09:54:01 AM »
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The debate between Elisabiatch on the Globo blog comments and us is whether this was an isolated decision by Sobel or a decision from the US Department. She believes it was only his, I say the State Dept. And maybe even the White House were consulted. What do you think?

I'm not sure it really matters because one leads logically to the other. Ambassadors have certain leeway to make decisions like this if they do not feel the guest list for an event is appropriate for a visiting dignitary from their home country. Once the Ambassador makes the decision, he speaks for the US government, that's the way it works. Trying to paint Ambassador Sobel as a partisan hack because he's a successful businessman from NJ, which happens to be David Goldman's home state, is beyond laughable. He's obviously taken a strong stand against the actions involving two American citizens, regardless of the state he comes from.

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Re: "The earth trembles"
« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2009, 10:23:57 AM »
Judging by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's public comments on the case, it is fair to assume that Ambassador Sobel's decision represented the position of the State Department.