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Offline SteveW

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« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2009, 08:11:47 PM »
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Gag order on the press:
 
The gag order is not over in Brazil, Revista Piaui, O Estado de Sao Paulo, Consultor Juridico, G1 Globo, Jornal O Globo, Jornal Zero Hora etc...Had to pay a fee for their articles. I don't know what happens if the Brazilian newspaper/midia is from here (US)...

Not sure I believe this. Is there any proof?  Was it reported that they had paid fines?

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« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2009, 08:48:49 PM »
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Not sure I believe this. Is there any proof? Was it reported that they had paid fines?

Steve, believe me they paid!
I would't like to explain how I know that but I know:).

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« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2009, 07:18:00 PM »
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Steve, believe me they paid!
I would't like to explain how I know that but I know:).

 
I don't believe it either.
 
Not for a second.

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« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2009, 09:02:28 PM »
Ok Guys,
One very good journalist works for one famous Newspaper ...He heard about David's story ...He made an article 2 1/2 months ago, we were waiting for days to see it in the newspaper but the Legal depto told him if they publish the story they had to pay a fine , another famous Newspaper had to pay, so after find out that... they gave up. Although they know that a fine exists to be paid , for them the story became good enough for the risk : important people involved...authorities etc...so we had the same newspaper (that gave up before) with a very good article recently...I'm sure before to pay their legal dept will discuss the case in the court !

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« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2009, 09:59:05 PM »
Claudia.Hope

Are you saying this is how you know fines were paid.....one newspaper already paid them.......or are you saying a paper is waiting to publish the story????

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« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2009, 10:33:09 PM »
Claudia, I'm apologize if I seemed rude. While I realize that there has been a court order, I'm not aware of any news media actually having to pay a fine. Of course, that might not have been public, but I still have my doubts.
 
Some of those doubts arise from the excellent article written by eyeLegal. Of course that article only reflects their opinion, but its a convincing article. One of the points they make is that the ban is unenforceable, since the target it too general. Piaui was never officially notified that their was a ban, and based on the eyeLegal logic, could not be fined until they were notified.
 
But I could be wrong.

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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2009, 09:04:26 AM »
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I agree with what Tweinstein point. All my family in Brazil got really defensive with me when I told them about this story. I told them how I thought what happend to David G. was such an injustice and how Brazil did not comply with the Hague Convention. They all gave me cold shoulders and did not want to discuss the story any further. I am very upset and sad with their reaction. I thought I'd get their support and understanding, but no.


That's a typical reaction...unfortunately . Living here day-to-day for the last 9+ years I'm sorry to say that Brazilians just don't like hearing that they're wrong, and especially when it comes to international situations, and particularly involving the U.S. This country and vasts percentages of it's citizens have taken an anti-U.S. lean since the PT party took control and a lot of it, in my opinion, has been prompted by the mainstream brazilian media.

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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2009, 12:37:12 PM »
Are the news people still talking about this and wanting to print it?

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« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2009, 12:52:28 PM »
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I agree with you, my family did the same. They told me to give up and get out of the story because Lins e Silva's family are very powerful, and to be careful because my last name in Rio is not difficult to find out in the yellow pages the address and Phone #, they were scared !
What kind of stuff could they do ? This is ridiculous...

Claudia!
My father lives in Brazil. He is a college professor with a PHD from the University of Oregon. He was an English teacher for many years in Brasil and is now a professional Public Translator. I have a nephew in Brazil who is a lawyer. I've been emailing them back an forth about this case and it got to the point where I decided enough was enough. I could not get my point across as much as I have tried. They believe Brazil did everything right and their argument is that David must not have been a good dad and they also say he refused to appear in court for the custody battle in Brazil when Bruna was alive!!! I do not know where they have gotten their information from but I did tell them it was not accurate and that is probably what Lins and Silva has come up as a defense. It's jsut too upsetting to know that they actually choose to believe that. It makes me wonder how many other brazilians in Brazil share the same opinion. I'm very disapointed to say the least.

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« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2009, 12:59:30 PM »
"he refused to appear in court for the custody battle in Brazil when Bruna was alive!"

I was actually advised by my attorney(from the Brazilian government) NOT to entertain a custody battle in Brazil and try to keep the focus on the issue of Brazil not complying with an international treaty that it signed. If this accusation is true, it would simply be David following the advice of his attorney.

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« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2009, 02:24:47 PM »
I didn't have the same experience some people mentioned here. I'm brazilian but I live in Europe. I got to know this case in a forum about "Paula Oliveira" case. I was ashamed and embarassed (really, I felt my face getting red) with the behaviour of these people. I even wrote directly to the stepfather and got the reply they are posting everywhere (from "Guta"). I didn't know the details of the story, but I didn't believe this reply anyway. Then I started spreading it in my family. Everybody feels the same as me (they all live in Brazil). They don't care if it's an american "against" a brazilian, it's just a matter of law AND of family. I've seen some forums in Brazil (orkut, Nivea Stelmen blog) and most people say it's outrageous. Unfortunatelly, the law is not like that just for kidnappers. If you have money, you have a good chance to get away if you commite a crime in Brazil. That's the sad true. I remember a case I saw in Fantástico about a brazilian attorney who got the custody of a girl to which she has NO RELATION whatsoever. She just liked the girl and decided she had to be hers. The mother got the right to visit, but has to return the girl on Sunday night. The girl cries hers eyes out, but if the mother doesn't do that, she can go to jail. A reporter interviewed the attorney and she said she has better financial way to support the little girl. However, brazilian law is very clear, better finances IS NOT ALLOWED AS REASON TO GIVE CUSTODY TO SOMEONE.
It also seems that lately Brazil is fighting the wrong international battles:
- They allowed Cesare Batisti, a convited murder to stay in Brazil, claiming that legal system is not fair in Italy!
- They said swiss police was not fair to a Brazilian lady who, finally, was a lier. Brazil theathened to bring this case to ONU! And, after she confessed, Brazil refused to apologize!
- Brazil supports the corrupt system in Venezuela, Equador and Bolivia, but refuses to call FARC and HAMAS terrorists!
I'm trying to do what I can from here. I have a son and I can imagine what David is going on... and just imagine is hard. I may be wrong, I don't know, but I think that most brazilian people who know this story in detail and see this father speaking will support David. More than anything, latin people are extremly attached to family, this is something we can understand easily. Just knowing that David did not talk bad about "the others" when talking to Sean is something very strong and I'm sure this would talk to the heart of anybody: americans, brazilians, martians....
I'll follow this story until Sean is back home too. And I'm trying to bring more people.

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« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2009, 03:22:22 PM »
Mom25 ad tweisntein I translated in this site:
http://free-translation.imtranslator.net/default.asp?ldr=pt_en&loc=pt
 
On Tuesday, 17 of February of 2009
 
Illicit dislocation of children is a subject of audience in the STF
 
The president of the Federal Supreme Court (STF), brought together Minister Gilmar Mendes in the night of this Tuesday (17) with integrants of the Group of Work of Hague on the illicit dislocation of children for relatives. There were present the general-lawyer of the Union, José Antonio Dias Toffoli, ambassador Oto Maia, representing the State Department, the secretary of Human rights, Paul de Tarso Vanucchi and the counselor of the National Council of Justice (CNJ) Jorge Antônio Maurique, coordinator of the group.
 
Second Maurique, existent conflicts, normally between father and mother, can give rise to the illicit retreat of a child of his country of usual residence. In some cases, she is subtracted by the grandparents or by the uncle and aunt. He explains that, though the Brazilian legislation should have treated the question like being a seizure of children, other terms they are more appropriate like retention, subtraction or illicit dislocation.
 
The group of work was created in August of 2006, when there notified approximately 90 cases that go through the procedure or they went through the procedure already in Brazil. The effective number, according to the coordinator, is quite superior because informations are lacking of as it will proceed in these situations. He informed that in these two years of work the group acted already in more than 10 cases with success.
 
In agreement with the counselor Jorge Antônio Maurique, the objective of the group is to spread the Convention of Hague in Brazil so that she is known and carried out. This standard establishes what the child turns to his country of usual residence, unless there will be a relevant reason so that she remains in the country in which she is. “ We want to spread that she exists, that his fulfilment is important in Brazil and that the children have a right to the shelter of the protection of this convention ”, it stood out
 
 
With that, the standard claims that the case is judged by the natural judge of the child and that the term for the tramitação of the process, of the beginning to the end, is six weeks, when was thought extremely short for the Brazilian standards
 
We intend to carry out appropriately the convention because I do not greet it it can give rise to constant problems at international level ”, said Maurique. According to him, the group also intends to speed up the progress of the processes made a list to the subject so that they are solved in the fast form
 
 
 
Imagine the culture shock what a child suffers when it is withdrawn ilicitamente of Sweden and brought to the interior of Sao Paulo? ”, it inquired the counselor. “ The great problem is a culture shock, disrespect to the human rights and to the rights of the parents of they coexist with the children, besides the slowness ”, it completed.
 
 
We want to say to the judges that Brazil makes part of an international order that establishes rules in these types of cases, and these rules we have to follow ”, it finished.
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« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2009, 04:46:51 PM »
What exactly does this mean?  That they will comply and send the children home?  Does this have something to do with Sean Goldman?

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« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2009, 05:12:02 PM »
I believe that is a yes!!!
 
 
That is going to put pressure in the Brazilian government