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Offline sue

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Re: Reactions in Portuguese to articles on David and Sean's plight
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2009, 05:59:26 PM »
Wonderful.

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Re: Reactions in Portuguese to articles on David and Sean's plight
« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2009, 05:59:45 PM »
Even when this is translated it's hard to follow.

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Re: Reactions in Portuguese to articles on David and Sean's plight
« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2009, 06:47:10 PM »
It is a machine translation. Hopefully someone who is fluent in Portuguese can clean it up.

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Re: Reactions in Portuguese to articles on David and Sean's plight
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2009, 07:21:07 PM »
Quote from: caiqueemateus;372
I didn't have the same experience some people mentioned here. I'm brazilian but I live in Europe. I got to know this case in a forum about "Paula Oliveira" case. I was ashamed and embarassed (really, I felt my face getting red) with the behaviour of these people. I even wrote directly to the stepfather and got the reply they are posting everywhere (from "Guta"). I didn't know the details of the story, but I didn't believe this reply anyway. Then I started spreading it in my family. Everybody feels the same as me (they all live in Brazil). They don't care if it's an american "against" a brazilian, it's just a matter of law AND of family. I've seen some forums in Brazil (orkut, Nivea Stelmen blog) and most people say it's outrageous. Unfortunatelly, the law is not like that just for kidnappers. If you have money, you have a good chance to get away if you commite a crime in Brazil. That's the sad true. I remember a case I saw in Fantástico about a brazilian attorney who got the custody of a girl to which she has NO RELATION whatsoever. She just liked the girl and decided she had to be hers. The mother got the right to visit, but has to return the girl on Sunday night. The girl cries hers eyes out, but if the mother doesn't do that, she can go to jail. A reporter interviewed the attorney and she said she has better financial way to support the little girl. However, brazilian law is very clear, better finances IS NOT ALLOWED AS REASON TO GIVE CUSTODY TO SOMEONE.
It also seems that lately Brazil is fighting the wrong international battles:
- They allowed Cesare Batisti, a convited murder to stay in Brazil, claiming that legal system is not fair in Italy!
- They said swiss police was not fair to a Brazilian lady who, finally, was a lier. Brazil theathened to bring this case to ONU! And, after she confessed, Brazil refused to apologize!
- Brazil supports the corrupt system in Venezuela, Equador and Bolivia, but refuses to call FARC and HAMAS terrorists!
I'm trying to do what I can from here. I have a son and I can imagine what David is going on... and just imagine is hard. I may be wrong, I don't know, but I think that most brazilian people who know this story in detail and see this father speaking will support David. More than anything, latin people are extremly attached to family, this is something we can understand easily. Just knowing that David did not talk bad about "the others" when talking to Sean is something very strong and I'm sure this would talk to the heart of anybody: americans, brazilians, martians....
I'll follow this story until Sean is back home too. And I'm trying to bring more people.

Hi Caiquematheus,

It doesn’t surprise me your indignation towards "Brasilíndia".
If you read the info about BringSeanHome.Org on Daniel Piza's blog on " Estadão" about Paula Oliveira, it might have been me who wrote it. And I am proud of it if it's the case, since it's been very hard to let people be informed in Brazil about what's going on. So I'm taking any opportunity I can to direct people to this website in any Brazilian blog. So far I haven't been censured.  :D

I live here in the U.S. but I am from Brazil and I want my country of birth to do the right thing by this man, David Goldman( and hopefully by the 50 others out there), who has been thru enough.
As you might know by now, the  people in Brazil who are involved in this case are doing everything in their power (how unfortunate for David to have to be dealing with the Lins E Silva) to keep that boy away from him. What a shame!
You know, like you, I'm glad my family and everybody I told this story to in Brazil are siding with David, or at least think that is a no-brainer decision that Sean Goldman shouldn't have been separated under no circumstance from his father.
If you have the chance to watch the Dateline interview link, please, I urge you to do so. Tell your friends and people who might still think otherwise to watch it.
It clearly shows that David was completely blindsided by his wife Bruna and her parent’s actions, who together, deceived Mr. Goldman. They just simply, without going through proper channels, took away his son to Brazil as if their life together in the U.S. never existed.
Keep sharing this info with your friends. Your help is greatly appreciated! Thanks! :)
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Re: Reactions in Portuguese to articles on David and Sean's plight
« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2009, 08:45:24 PM »
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Claudia, I'm apologize if I seemed rude. While I realize that there has been a court order, I'm not aware of any news media actually having to pay a fine. Of course, that might not have been public, but I still have my doubts.
 
Some of those doubts arise from the excellent article written by eyeLegal. Of course that article only reflects their opinion, but its a convincing article. One of the points they make is that the ban is unenforceable, since the target it too general. Piaui was never officially notified that their was a ban, and based on the eyeLegal logic, could not be fined until they were notified.
 
 
But I could be wrong.
Hi Steve,
I gave the information that I heard from this journalist  but if is truth or not, I cannot confirm, I do not have any proof or document. Before his recent article that finally we could read...uffffsss, he could not do anything... an I know how much he was working hard ! He told me that A Folha de Sao Paulo Newspaper was  notified, but I don't know if they really paid.

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Re: Reactions in Portuguese to articles on David and Sean's plight
« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2009, 09:45:46 PM »
I am sure this isnt scientific by any means, but it seems like there are quite a few Brazilians signing the petition...so that is encouraging!

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Re: Reactions in Portuguese to articles on David and Sean's plight
« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2009, 08:42:51 AM »
Hi, FC Florida.
I read the comment in Época. So, there are more people spreading the word. Good!
I saw the interview and read the transcription, just to make sure I wasn't loosing anything. It's quite clear to me.
You know, more than anything, information like this is not possible to be hidden these days. Whatever happens (and we hope it'll be solved soon), one day Sean is going to be an adult and will know all this by himself. David is right not to talk bad about people who are taking care of Sean now, but eventually the whole situation will change. Sean is going to be able to judge by himself and is going to cry for every day he was apart from his father.  I believe they are taking good care of Sean (apart from the kidnapping itself) but I think they'll not be able to avoid his anger when he is old enough to understand everything. I wonder why they don't see that. They might be able to buy many things, not this.

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Re: Reactions in Portuguese to articles on David and Sean's plight
« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2009, 09:41:58 AM »
caiqueemateus -
well said! i was just thinking this morning about this... dont they realize that it is just a matter of time before Sean himself will be able to read about what they have done and judge for himself!

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Re: Reactions in Portuguese to articles on David and Sean's plight
« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2009, 09:49:39 AM »
I don't know if it helps but I did it. I wrote to OAB-RJ and asked what is their position in all this. Here is the link:
http://www.oab-rj.org.br/forms/ouvidoria.jsp
Here is the information about the stepfather. This is public information got in the OAB website:
Nome: JOÃO PAULO BAGUEIRA LEAL LINS E SILVA
Número de Inscrição: 94728
Tipo de inscrição: PRINCIPAL
Telefone comercial: (21) 25213030

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Re: Reactions in Portuguese to articles on David and Sean's plight
« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2009, 12:23:52 PM »
Hello everyone,
Not sure if you guys heard about this website that it is VERY popular in Brazil for news, etc... www.terra.com.br Well, after the NYT articles, they published it today on the website and there are a lot of comments of Brazilians... Here is the link http://noticias.terra.com.br/brasil/interna/0,,OI3597913-EI306,00.html
Most of the comments are in favor of David....

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Re: Reactions in Portuguese to articles on David and Sean's plight
« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2009, 01:04:13 PM »
Good.  Now when the heck are they going to hear this in Federal Court?  I don't even know these people and I am sick of waiting and very frustrated, I can't imagine how the fathers must feel.  This is so very wrong in so many ways.

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Re: Reactions in Portuguese to articles on David and Sean's plight
« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2009, 01:42:22 PM »
According to one of the provisions in the hauge convention, the child should be returned to their orignial country and the custody case shall take place their; so if the federal court rules him to return to the U.S., and since Bruna is dead, David shouldn't have to worry about anything else, correct? or can Joao apply for cusotdy in the U.S. courts?(I'm sure he would lose, but I hope this completley ends for David once he gets Sean back)
 
I also hope once they are nearer to a descion, David knows where Sean is at all times so he can get him back before appeals start to come.

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Re: Reactions in Portuguese to articles on David and Sean's plight
« Reply #42 on: February 25, 2009, 01:58:18 PM »
Will they send him home right away, or will they allow that family to appeal first?

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Re: Reactions in Portuguese to articles on David and Sean's plight
« Reply #43 on: February 25, 2009, 02:13:53 PM »
I remember someone in the old blog, saying that if David does not get Sean before he files and appeal, Sean will stay with lins e silva during the process.  So the lins e silva might know this and start to hide him, which would be terrible, but I'm sure(hope) David's lawyer knows this.

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Re: Reactions in Portuguese to articles on David and Sean's plight
« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2009, 03:31:46 PM »
Bomba, Bomba, Bomba!
Agora nao tem mais como eles segurarem as noticias...

Batalha judicial cria tensão nas relações entre EUA e Brasil, diz NYT
http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Brasil/...L+DIZ+NYT.html
Americano luta pela custódia do filho trazido ao Brasil pela mãe, diz NYT
ESta no O Globo on line de hoje se referindo a materia do NYTimes.
http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2009...-754579573.asp

Outro grande jornal esta preparando um mega artigo p/ o proximo domingo...

VIVA !!!