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Offline André Felipe

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Re: JPLS' defense has NEW strategy!
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2009, 07:59:15 PM »
Para a defesa de Lins e Silva, como o menino foi registrado no consulado brasileiro, isso o torna brasileiro. "A Justiça federal está agindo contra um brasileiro nato", disse Tostes.
 
Did he say that??? Ow goodness... and he is the new LeS attorneys...
 
His statement is so stupid, soooooo STUPID, that it might be a good news for David. If I were envolved in a judicial proceeding, I would wish my enemies´s attorney be such an idiot.
 
His statement is so absurd that it´s against the BRAZIL´S CONSTITUTION TEXT!!!
 
Sean will only be considered a "brasileiro nato" when he reachs the 18 years old and if he decides to become a "brasileiro nato". Until there, he is not a brazilian born.
 
"Consultado pela Folha, o Itamaraty informou que, mesmo assim, o menino tem também, segundo as regras dos EUA, cidadania americana".
 
The Itamaraty, as any other public entity, must show neutrality to the press, and even they have said that Sean has also american nationality/citizenship!!
 
This guy has just proved to all World how ignorant he is...

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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2009, 08:15:36 PM »
Quote from: André Felipe;5474
Para a defesa de Lins e Silva, como o menino foi registrado no consulado brasileiro, isso o torna brasileiro. "A Justiça federal está agindo contra um brasileiro nato", disse Tostes.
 
Did he say that??? Ow goodness... and he is the new LeS attorneys...
 
His statement is so stupid, soooooo STUPID, that it might be a good news for David. If I were envolved in a judicial proceeding, I would wish my enemies´s attorney be such an idiot.
 
His statement is so absurd that it´s against the BRAZIL´S CONSTITUTION TEXT!!!
 
Sean will only be considered a "brasileiro nato" when he reachs the 18 years old and if he decides to become a "brasileiro nato". Until there, he is not a brazilian born.
 
"Consultado pela Folha, o Itamaraty informou que, mesmo assim, o menino tem também, segundo as regras dos EUA, cidadania americana".
 
The Itamaraty, as any other public entity, must show neutrality to the press, and even they have said that Sean has also american nationality/citizenship!!
 
This guy has just proved to all World how ignorant he is...

André, I was just browsing in the link to the Itamaraty page mentioned some posts above and I found this:

A Constituição Federal de 1988, com a redação dada pela Emenda Constitucional de Revisão nº 54, de 2007 estabeleceu que são brasileiros natos:

a. os nascidos na República Federativa do Brasil, ainda que de pais estrangeiros, desde que estes não estejam a serviço de seu país;

b. os nascidos no estrangeiro, de pai brasileiro ou mãe brasileira, desde que qualquer deles esteja a serviço da República Federativa do Brasil; e

c. Os nascidos no estrangeiro de pai brasileiro ou de mãe brasileira, desde que sejam registrados em repartição brasileira competente ou venham a residir na República Federativa do Brasil e optem, a qualquer tempo, depois de atingida a maioridade, pela nacionalidade brasileira.

O item c. é uma novidade da Emenda Constitucional n. 54
, e visa a garantir que filhos de brasileiros não venham a ser apátridas. Essa emenda também acrescentou o artigo 95 ao Ato das Disposições Constitucionais Transitórias:
"Os nascidos no estrangeiro entre 7 de junho de 1994 e a data da promulgação desta Emenda Constitucional, filhos de pai brasileiro ou mãe brasileira, poderão ser registrados em repartição diplomática ou consular brasileira competente ou em ofício de registro, se vierem a residir na República Federativa do Brasil."

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Re: JPLS' defense has NEW strategy!
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2009, 08:24:42 PM »
hummm, I forgot about that transition rule.
 
But he still an idiot, the "brasileiro nato" situation doesn´t exclude his american citizenship (and his past time in USA). It´s a basic Law lesson...And so there is the Itamaraty to conffirm that.
 
Sean is an american born. He was born in US soil. What that attorney have said has no sense.

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« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2009, 09:38:08 PM »
Once again it fails to mention the Hague Treaty.  This is an International treaty, 60 countries have signed it, this is not a treaty that just US and Brazil signed! I just don't get where the thinking is here.  The only reason Sean has adapted now is because Brazilian family court completly disregared this treaty. Maybe they just did not understand it or maybe they did understand but had influence, who knows.  Regardless, if Brazil does not stand by this treaty with this case it is not going to look good for them all over the world.  By not standing by the Hague treaty in this case they are saying that any child can be taken to Brazil when one biological parent is Brazilian, and this will forfiet all rights to the other biological parent.  I say this because they actually gave temporary custody to a step father in this case.  This goes against everything the Hague Treaty stands for.

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« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2009, 09:51:07 PM »
Hague is based on the child's habitual residence. Not nationality. So if I were Russian, married to a Chinese, living in the US, and my husband took the child to Brazil, per Hague, the child should be returned from Brazil to the US. That's where we lived together.
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« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2009, 10:04:20 PM »
Let's assume JPLS does care about the boy. As a lawyer he knows what he is doing is hopeless and the longer he keeps him from his father the harder it will be for Sean to re-adjust to life with David. JLPS is right about one thing Sean is used to life in Rio. I pray the Ribero grandparents will for Sean sake help him make the transition and stop this insantity.

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« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2009, 11:29:06 PM »
There is an article on Jornal do Brasil interviewing the lawyers. I could not finish reading it. I had to stop or I'd throw up. I'm so sick of their lies and lame excuses!
 
BTW, it says the family hired a total of 70 lawyers for the case.
 
http://jbonline.terra.com.br/pextra/2009/03/11/e110321778.asp
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« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2009, 11:31:44 PM »
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There is an article on Jornal do Brasil intervieweing the lawyers. I could not finish reading it. I had to stoo or I'd throw up. I'm so sick of their lies and lame excuses!
 
BTW, it says the family hired a total of 70 lawyers for the case.
 
http://jbonline.terra.com.br/pextra/2009/03/11/e110321778.asp

Is it just me or does this sound quite desperate hiring 70 attorneys?

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« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2009, 11:41:52 PM »
One thing I've been noticing is how all the representatives today basically said Sean is being illegally held.  At first I was thinking they shouldn't say that(from a legal standpoint), but technically in the U.S. he is being illegally held as David has sole custody in U.S.  How can they possibly say he is not a U.S. citizen!!!  I've also been thinking of how they gave custody to Bruna.  IF the U.S. court gave David custody, there is no reason why the Brazilian courts shouldn't have, the laws are the same.  Although now we now that Bruna lied and subterfuged the courts.

Another point I've thought of is that agencies that deal with the welfare of children routninley take children away from parents without legal procedings, the same would happen in a custody case.  For example, if a custody case was pursuing between a divorced couple and a parent started abusing a child LAW ENFORCEMENT would take the child away, not wait for the COURT.  The fact that the Brazilian gov. says they can't do nothing is a load of garbage.  They could say Sean is in a possible bad situation (which he is) and say his welfare is in harm (which it is) and needs to be taken away.  He IS in a sick environment, which would entail, and because of international pressure, would be ok for the Brazil Gov. to take him away for such reasons.

JPLS and Bruna used such bulls*** arguments to get custody of Sean and got away with it so even if the gov. has the most bullish reason to take Sean away what are they going to do.

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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2009, 12:52:38 AM »
Joey, I think they can do ANYTHING conceivable.  In the US, CPS (child protective services) can yank any child at any time without so much as an investigation, and then three days later a shelter care hearing is held and that is the first time a Judge sees the case to see if the government's taking over the custody and care of the child was legitimate.  This is all about the Dependency proceedings, and it is boring to go on further about it, but . . . I believe anything could happen here.   ANYTHING!  It depends on what the government of Brazil WANTS to do.  If they hang on their "this is a judicial matter" then they don't want Sean in the US now.  We can all agree that if Sean is going to be returned, ultimately, then time is of the essence, and 4.5 years is long enough for Brazilian justice to work.  If it hasn't worked thus far, then who knows about whether or not Sean and David will see justice at any point.  That is my personal opinion.
 
I do not remember if Elian Gonzalez's relatives in Florida had filed for custody or not, but it was the government who went in by force to seize him and return him to his biological father in Cuba.  I believe most people realize that there is so much judicial corruption in Brazil as evidenced by this case, that it is almost too hopeful to believe such a twist of good luck could happen  . . .but I believe it.  I fully believe Sean will be home soon, and will celebrate his 9th birthday with his Dad, and I believe that will happen government to government.
 
If not, someone has to get me a rubber room, a wailing wall and some prozak.  I can not take the frustration of this too much longer, I'm a results oriented person and like you all, I have a real strong sense of justice, and the fact that this is all so corrupt and so very sad, leads to serious stress.
 
I compliment the good Brazilian citizens on this forum, because it is a bright spot to realize that despite our nations of origin, we are all on the same side, and I believe we are powerful.  Nobody can doubt that without this website and all of us emailing all of our friends and all the various efforts to raise awareness that this case wouldn't be where it is at without all of us.  That feels good, doesn't it?
 
David is NOT alone, and I know that although he is frustrated and sick with heartache, he has to feel the power and the love from those that support him and want Sean home yesterday.
 
OK, I just talked myself through my frustration, and with the good events today in both the House of Representatives and David seeing Sean . . I'm going to bed happy.
 
I feel like I should be writing "Dear Diary" as you've all become my daily therapy over this heartbreaking situation!  Thanks for that.
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Re: JPLS' defense has NEW strategy!
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2009, 01:02:32 AM »
Have you all noticed that Jornal Nacional mentioned "pai adotivo de Sean" (Sean's ADOPTED dad)... that's a strategy... SEAN HASN'T BEEN ADOPTED by JPLS... the right thing to say is "padrasto de Sean" (Sean's stepfather).

People's mind will now be even MORE confused... there's NO ADOPTION - JPLS is NOT blood or legally related to Sean, more than a stepfather with a TEMP CUSTODY at MAX.

I know there are some articles written in portuguese using the same words... "pai adotivo".... :mad2:

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« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2009, 01:20:23 AM »
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Have you all noticed that Jornal Nacional mentioned "pai adotivo de Sean" (Sean's ADOPTED dad)... that's a strategy... SEAN HASN'T BEEN ADOPTED by JPLS... the right thing to say is "padrasto de Sean" (Sean's stepfather).
 
People's mind will now be even MORE confused... there's NO ADOPTION - JPLS is NOT blood or legally related to Sean, more than a stepfather with a TEMP CUSTODY at MAX.
 
I know there are some articles written in portuguese using the same words... "pai adotivo".... :mad2:
 
(Thanks for the smilies Bob ;))

 
 
 
You are sooo right!!!!!:mad2::mad2:


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