Andoni Petroutsas - Abducted to Greece

[Angel]

How about some more info for all of you?

[Angel]

First and foremost, Andoni needs to grow up to be a good, moral, responsible man.  George Petroutsas thought it was acceptable to take his infant son to a porn convention.  He has a judgment against him for fraud, embezzlement and racketeering.  He had no problem filing a false insurance claim for $60000.  George Petroutsas has charges of illegal weapons, credit card fraud, identification card fraud. This is not the behaviour of a moral man.  How will he instill these characteristics into his child?
When the court in Santa Cruz ordered mediation in Greece, he chose to ignore the order.  He used the courts to get the orders he wanted and then ignored the courts when he got the orders that did not serve his purposes.
This is not a game. Every child deserves to have two parents and to know that his parents love him, despite what problems may lie between them. 

[andonisdaddy]

- Pray that they will know Christ as Savior early in life.
- Pray that they will resist sin.
- Pray that they will be caught when guilty.
- Pray that they will be protected from the evil one.
- Pray that they will have a responsible attitude in all their interpersonal relationships.
- Pray that they will respect people in authority over them.
- Pray that they will desire the right kind of friends and be protected from the wrong friends.
- Pray that they, as well as their mates will be kept pure.
- Pray that they will learn to submit totally to God and actively resist saten in all circumstances.
- Pray that they will be single hearted, sold our to Jesus Christ.
- Pray that they will be protected from wrong people, places, and influences.

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[andonisdaddy]

This is what the Mother used to convince the Judge to let Andoni go back to Greece for "one last visit"

[andonisdaddy]

This is the most recent order from Federal Court.

[andonisdaddy]

"Anyone can give up, it's the easiest thing in the world to do.
But to hold it together when everyone else would understand if you fell apart,
that's true strength.”
I want to comend all these LB Parents for their courage to never give.

[SageDad]

First and foremost, Andoni needs to grow up to be a good, moral, responsible man.  George Petroutsas thought it was acceptable to take his infant son to a porn convention.  He has a judgment against him for fraud, embezzlement and racketeering.  He had no problem filing a false insurance claim for $60000.  George Petroutsas has charges of illegal weapons, credit card fraud, identification card fraud. This is not the behaviour of a moral man.  How will he instill these characteristics into his child?
When the court in Santa Cruz ordered mediation in Greece, he chose to ignore the order.  He used the courts to get the orders he wanted and then ignored the courts when he got the orders that did not serve his purposes.
This is not a game. Every child deserves to have two parents and to know that his parents love him, despite what problems may lie between them.  

Does the expression "pot calling the kettle black" mean anything to you?  As long as we're mudslinging, the mother's false affidavit and multiple abductions constitute fraud, child abuse, contempt of court, violating orders that don't serve her purpose and US federal and state crimes.  These are not the actions of a moral woman.  Are these the values we can expect her to instill in her son?  If the father is such an immoral man why did the court grant him custody?  I might ignore an order to attend mediation in a foreign country too if my kidnapping spouse had arranged for me to be arrested as soon as I stepped foot in the country.  Every child does deserve to have two parents.  As far as I can tell Greek courts don't give a damn about that and US courts have bent over backwards helping the mother be in the child's life so she could abduct and deny access to the father.  As far as the letters from a psychologist claiming "child pornography" and "sexual abuse," I'm pretty sure US courts looked into those allegations and found them baseless (just like all your other vague claims of fraud, racketeering, infidelity and porn.)  I can find a psychologist willing to write a letter saying anything for the right price.  Far too many psychologists are more like witch doctors for hire than scientists and the field has a long and sordid history to support that.

[Orlando]

Why don't those folks that are bashing Mr. Petroutsas just leave him and his family alone.  Gosh, bashing is not the right way to go and it does nothing in the long run.  I am sure many LBP have been accused of everything from being crazy to being drug users to spousal abuse to whatever else.  The bottom line is, everybody wants to be a part of their childrens life and will do whatever it takes to do this.  The other parent and/or their family and friends in my experiences will do anything to slander the other parents name.  Nobody gets hurt in the end, but the children.  I have had charges brought up against me in a foreign country without me even knowing about it and after I found out, the charges were dismissed.  I am sure other LBP's have charges brought up against them as well.

[petras]

First and foremost, Andoni needs to grow up to be a good, moral, responsible man.  George Petroutsas thought it was acceptable to take his infant son to a porn convention.  He has a judgment against him for fraud, embezzlement and racketeering.  He had no problem filing a false insurance claim for $60000.  George Petroutsas has charges of illegal weapons, credit card fraud, identification card fraud. This is not the behaviour of a moral man.  How will he instill these characteristics into his child?
When the court in Santa Cruz ordered mediation in Greece, he chose to ignore the order.  He used the courts to get the orders he wanted and then ignored the courts when he got the orders that did not serve his purposes.
This is not a game. Every child deserves to have two parents and to know that his parents love him, despite what problems may lie between them.  

Does the expression "pot calling the kettle black" mean anything to you?  As long as we're mudslinging, the mother's false affidavit and multiple abductions constitute fraud, child abuse, contempt of court, violating orders that don't serve her purpose and US federal and state crimes.  These are not the actions of a moral woman.  Are these the values we can expect her to instill in her son?  If the father is such an immoral man why did the court grant him custody?  I might ignore an order to attend mediation in a foreign country too if my kidnapping spouse had arranged for me to be arrested as soon as I stepped foot in the country.  Every child does deserve to have two parents.  As far as I can tell Greek courts don't give a damn about that and US courts have bent over backwards helping the mother be in the child's life so she could abduct and deny access to the father.  As far as the letters from a psychologist claiming "child pornography" and "sexual abuse," I'm pretty sure US courts looked into those allegations and found them baseless (just like all your other vague claims of fraud, racketeering, infidelity and porn.)  I can find a psychologist willing to write a letter saying anything for the right price.  Far too many psychologists are more like witch doctors for hire than scientists and the field has a long and sordid history to support that.

Are you sure that you are a parent?
 is that all you have to say after all these evidence?
so wait for some more....

[SageDad]

Are you sure that you are a parent?
 is that all you have to say after all these evidence?
so wait for some more....
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It's all this lack of evidence that bothers me actually.  We have euphemisms like "nasty divorce," and "ugly custody battle" which gloss over some truly atrocious behavior and accusations.  Accusations used to justify the criminal abduction of a child are meaningless without hard evidence.  The facts as I see them are that the mother claimed she was going on vacation to Greece and never returned.  That is to say, she abducted the child.  Child abduction is child abuse.  Greek courts are known for not complying with the Hague Convention and the father used alternative methods to recover his son, and the mother used that to have criminal charges filed against him in Greece.  When US courts granted the father primary physical custody in the US and stopped allowing travel to Greece, something they should clearly never have allowed to begin with, she abducted him again.  Before you come back with more "evidence" I suggest you consider your audience.  This is a forum for victims of international child abduction.  Coming here and arguing that the mother is the better or more fit parent isn't go to go over too well.  You are arguing the mother should have custody (even after she clearly lost custody in a competent and sympathetic court with jurisdiction to hear the case) and rather than work that out in the courts she criminally abducted the child.. twice!  Having custody is not the same as having the right to deny all access to the other parent or to move the child anywhere in the world.  Child abduction is child abuse.  Unless there was a more serious form of child abuse that the mother was protecting the child from your anonymously posted wild accusations will fall on deaf ears.  If the father is so evil and abusive why did the mother wait until the courts stopped allowing travel to Greece before abducting him again? 

[KarlHindle]

I've looked at your papers and 1.  the child was originally unlawfully removed from the US to Greece where the Greek orders were then obtained.  2. the child was removed from Greece by dad to US and, 3.  the child was then retained in Greece again.

Petras/Angel et al please answer my question: The child was originally subject to US jurisdiction - is that correct?

I'm not interested in the allegations - they don't have any bearing on jurisdiction so please concentrate your "evidences" on the jurisdictional question.

As an aside: Carlos is a very loving parent.  You are not doing yourself any favors by getting personal with him because he does not necessarily agree with - as he says, many of us are very adept at reading between the lines so please keep it clean and to the point.

[sue]

It's amazing that people come here to defend their actions.

[forthelost]

Are you sure that you are a parent?
 is that all you have to say after all these evidence?
so wait for some more..

Carlos is a parent, a left-behind parent, and in my opinuion a good one. Are you really so entrenched in your own viewpoint you think anyone who disagrees must not have children? And even if he didn't have children, it wouldn't make his opinion any less valid.

[SageDad]

Thanks for the votes of confidence

I think we've indulged the other side more than enough.  These forums are not a platform for attacking LBP's who come here to tell their stories and seek support.  The mother is claiming the father is a terrible person, but she didn't mind sending her son to live with him for 3 months at a time until the final court decision came down giving the father custody in the US.  Which prompted her to file an affidavit swearing to return the child and took advantage of the courts ill-advised confidence to abduct him again.  Child abduction is child abuse, not part of a legal strategy to gain custody and not justifiable by dubious claims of being the better parent (as if it had to be one or the other.)

Petras and Angel are now banned.

[lovellboys]

Petras and Angel are now banned.

Thank you!  

Kudos to you and KarlHindle (among others) for handling them much more nicely than I would have....which is why I did not post!