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Denise Figueiredo

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Brazil National Organization of Lawyers (OAB)
« on: March 16, 2009, 08:09:16 AM »
:burn:The OAB President expressed his "outraged reaction" against "the USA interference in an independent State judiciary system", and stated "the USA needs to stop its interferrence in the brazilian litigation of Sean Goldman's case". See info
http://www.uai.com.br/UAI/html/sessao_7/2009/03/15/em_noticia_interna,id_sessao=7&id_noticia=102653/em_noticia_interna.shtml
 
:conf: I made a comment under the article referring him to the 9 page article by the brazilian Federal Judge who clarifies that under the brazilian law, Sean can not even be considered a brazilian citizen, due to the illegal procedures that took place since he was retained in Brazil without the permission of his biological father: :cheer: http://www.conjur.com.br/2009-mar-14/imprudente-manter-menino-norte-americano-situacao-irregular-pais
 
:D I suggest all brazilians to send this link to everyone they can, as it was written by a brazilian federal judge in accordance to the law. He calls Sean, "the american boy improperly retained in Brazil" - and suggests it is prudent to send him back to his country (USA).

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Re: Brazil National Organization of Lawyers (OAB)
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2009, 02:14:11 PM »
:rolleyes:There will always be some people who will take any issue to attempt to grand stand.  I would email him and say Brazil is not as developed a country as the United States but it is not Nicaragua either.  The country has changed in the last 20 years & Yankee Imperialism speeches are above Brazil dignity today.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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:burn:The OAB President expressed his "outraged reaction" against "the USA interference in an independent State judiciary system", and stated "the USA needs to stop its interferrence in the brazilian litigation of Sean Goldman's case". See info
http://www.uai.com.br/UAI/html/sessao_7/2009/03/15/em_noticia_interna,id_sessao=7&id_noticia=102653/em_noticia_interna.shtml
 
:conf: I made a comment under the article referring him to the 9 page article by the brazilian Federal Judge who clarifies that under the brazilian law, Sean can not even be considered a brazilian citizen, due to the illegal procedures that took place since he was retained in Brazil without the permission of his biological father: :cheer: http://www.conjur.com.br/2009-mar-14/imprudente-manter-menino-norte-americano-situacao-irregular-pais
 
:D I suggest all brazilians to send this link to everyone they can, as it was written by a brazilian federal judge in accordance to the law. He calls Sean, "the american boy improperly retained in Brazil" - and suggests it is prudent to send him back to his country (USA).

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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2009, 12:41:01 PM »
I have sent the following request to the American Bar Assoc.  If you know a lawyer or you are a lawyer you should write the ABA and request that they make a public statement to the OAB.
The OAB (Brazil's National Organization of Lawyers) has made formal media statements regarding the US involvement in the Sean Goldman kidnapping and the Brazilian lawyer trying to have the US Father's name, taken off of Sean's birth certificate.  Where is the ABA in the media and making a statement from the US on Ethics, the Hague Treaty and the formal recognition that Brazil isn't handling it right and that the lawyer Joćo Paulo Lins e Silva would be disbarred if in the US for his lies and actions.  You have the ability to research this and make a strong statement in the press and to the OAB to support ethics for lawyers and judiciary as well as recognition of the Hague Treaty and children's rights to their real parent and the US parent's rights to their own child.

Because Lins e Silva is a lawyer you have a duty and professional standard to get involved and make a statement.  If you go to BringSeanHome.org you can be provided with contact information to the Today Show and many other's following this case.  You should draft a formal response to the OAB from the US ABA and have it delivered to the OAB, press and BringSeanHome.org as well as printed in your Journal.  Your journal should also ask what attorney's here are working with attorneys in Brazil on business or other matters and request a formal conversation about the OAB using ethics standards to disbar Lins e Silva and get an appology from the president of the OAB for being irritated and not upholding ethics and standards or support of the Hague Treaty over this rich group of lawyers.   Enron in the Judiciary in Brazil?  It isn't right and puts a blemish on all lawyers internationally if the Law Associations around the world do not speak up for what is right and for the ethics of the profession (not use of the profession to twist things to get your way, like legal kidnapping of this child).

We'll look forward to what the ABA does.  I will let many groups know that you have been formally requested to have the ABA respond to the OAB.




Brazil National Organization of Lawyers (OAB)
                                                                        :burn:The OAB President expressed his "outraged reaction" against "the USA interference in an independent State judiciary system", and stated "the USA needs to stop its interferrence in the brazilian litigation of Sean Goldman's case". See info
 http://www.uai.com.br/UAI/html/sessa..._interna.shtml

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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2009, 02:28:54 PM »
Quote from: CarolCAN;17268
I have sent the following request to the American Bar Assoc. If you know a lawyer or you are a lawyer you should write the ABA and request that they make a public statement to the OAB.
The OAB (Brazil's National Organization of Lawyers) has made formal media statements regarding the US involvement in the Sean Goldman kidnapping and the Brazilian lawyer trying to have the US Father's name, taken off of Sean's birth certificate. Where is the ABA in the media and making a statement from the US on Ethics, the Hague Treaty and the formal recognition that Brazil isn't handling it right and that the lawyer Joćo Paulo Lins e Silva would be disbarred if in the US for his lies and actions. You have the ability to research this and make a strong statement in the press and to the OAB to support ethics for lawyers and judiciary as well as recognition of the Hague Treaty and children's rights to their real parent and the US parent's rights to their own child.
 
Because Lins e Silva is a lawyer you have a duty and professional standard to get involved and make a statement. If you go to BringSeanHome.org you can be provided with contact information to the Today Show and many other's following this case. You should draft a formal response to the OAB from the US ABA and have it delivered to the OAB, press and BringSeanHome.org as well as printed in your Journal. Your journal should also ask what attorney's here are working with attorneys in Brazil on business or other matters and request a formal conversation about the OAB using ethics standards to disbar Lins e Silva and get an appology from the president of the OAB for being irritated and not upholding ethics and standards or support of the Hague Treaty over this rich group of lawyers. Enron in the Judiciary in Brazil? It isn't right and puts a blemish on all lawyers internationally if the Law Associations around the world do not speak up for what is right and for the ethics of the profession (not use of the profession to twist things to get your way, like legal kidnapping of this child).
 
We'll look forward to what the ABA does. I will let many groups know that you have been formally requested to have the ABA respond to the OAB.
 
 
 
 
Brazil National Organization of Lawyers (OAB)                                                                                            :burn:The OAB President expressed his "outraged reaction" against "the USA interference in an independent State judiciary system", and stated "the USA needs to stop its interferrence in the brazilian litigation of Sean Goldman's case". See info
http://www.uai.com.br/UAI/html/sessa..._interna.shtml
Please let us know if you receive a response.

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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2009, 02:44:55 PM »
Yes, let's know!!!:)

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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2009, 07:35:04 PM »
"Both the pressure of the U.S. government on the media in this country in relation to the matter based on the assumption that the Brazilian Judiciary not adequately fulfill their duties"
 
 
 
 
 
The Brazilian Judiciary HAS NOT adequately fulfilled its duties.....why does he think WE ARE OUTRAGED!
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2009, 08:22:25 PM »
Apparently, we are getting to them. They have no response or excuse they can make for their failure to act in accordance with international law so now all eyes are on Brazil, and they are crying like babies.

FACT: Brazil FAILED to follow it's own regulations regarding the voluntary signing of agreement to the Hague Treaty.
"The child will be returned to its place of habitual residence within 6 weeks".

FACT: They continue to flaunt their disregard for the life of an innocent child in favor of  the wants of a "respected" and selfish member of the community and they have the audacity to say that because people from ALL OVER THE WORLD are enraged  they retaliate and slow the pace of return of the child and other children who have been illegally retained. They act like a stubborn child who refuses to be "told what to do".

FACT. The people of U.S.Canada, Mexico, Italy, Germany France  Brazil and other countries that are now concerned about their own children, are expressing their opinions publicly. If the OAB can't take criticism then they should follow the rules Brazil agreed concerning international abductions. You cannot legislate Opinions or deny the saying of them. Not in countries that claim to have the  freedom of speech. If Brazil continues to disregard  international good citizenship, Public opinion will not be swept away by angry rebuttals. Maybe they can control and stiffle their own citizens and press, but the rest of world agrees not with Brazil.

FACT: Inappropriate behavior exists in the actions of the lawyer. This is not acceptable in any country I have lived in, but apparently, O.K. in Brazil? The LEADER of an organization has a responsibility to take action when someone in his organization is doing something underhanded.  Smoke screens in the form of attacks or veiled threats against the  people who are within their rights to protest a wrongdoing,  make the whole organization look like a "Mickey Mouse" operation. A sham.

FACT. President Obama HAS to kiss butt, but WE don't.:madgo::mad2:

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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2009, 08:27:38 PM »
:hihi:And now I supposed I'm on the "no fly list" :hihi:

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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2009, 08:40:16 PM »
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They act like a stubborn child who refuses to be "told what to do".
 
President Obama HAS to kiss butt, but WE don't.:madgo::mad2:
:yeahthat:
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2009, 09:33:44 PM »
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Apparently, we are getting to them. They have no response or excuse they can make for their failure to act in accordance with international law so now all eyes are on Brazil, and they are crying like babies.
 
FACT: Brazil FAILED to follow it's own regulations regarding the voluntary signing of agreement to the Hague Treaty.
"The child will be returned to its place of habitual residence within 6 weeks".
 
FACT: They continue to flaunt their disregard for the life of an innocent child in favor of the wants of a "respected" and selfish member of the community and they have the audacity to say that because people from ALL OVER THE WORLD are enraged they retaliate and slow the pace of return of the child and other children who have been illegally retained. They act like a stubborn child who refuses to be "told what to do".
 
FACT. The people of U.S.Canada, Mexico, Italy, Germany France Brazil and other countries that are now concerned about their own children, are expressing their opinions publicly. If the OAB can't take criticism then they should follow the rules Brazil agreed concerning international abductions. You cannot legislate Opinions or deny the saying of them. Not in countries that claim to have the freedom of speech. If Brazil continues to disregard international good citizenship, Public opinion will not be swept away by angry rebuttals. Maybe they can control and stiffle their own citizens and press, but the rest of world agrees not with Brazil.
 
FACT: Inappropriate behavior exists in the actions of the lawyer. This is not acceptable in any country I have lived in, but apparently, O.K. in Brazil? The LEADER of an organization has a responsibility to take action when someone in his organization is doing something underhanded. Smoke screens in the form of attacks or veiled threats against the people who are within their rights to protest a wrongdoing, make the whole organization look like a "Mickey Mouse" operation. A sham.
 
FACT. President Obama HAS to kiss butt, but WE don't.:madgo::mad2:

 
I agree 100%:mad2:

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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2009, 07:26:39 PM »
Sashia..you equate a lack of response from the Brazilian OAB with their acceptance that they have a problem?
I know Brazilains have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to gringos.
Believe me they are not backing down and will not.
When reason fails the name calling and ancient history will get into full swing.

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« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2009, 10:09:15 AM »
Has any formal action been taken against Lins e Silva before the OAB? Or in the criminal courts? I certainly hope so.

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« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2009, 02:53:38 PM »
He was sanctioned for stealing Sean away when a court-ordered visit was scheduled a while back and then lying about it... but nobody seems to know what, if any, punitive measures were taken.

The greatest unofficial sanction one can hope for is that the family law practice has been negatively impacted by both their hideous actions as well as their having lost a case in which they are supposed to be experts.
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« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2009, 05:01:05 PM »
Tostes and PLS are both former Presidents of the OAB/RJ.
 
Nothing is going to happen to any of them.

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« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2010, 05:09:21 PM »
I dont think so. I have a friend that prosecuted a former president of the OAB and win!
Nothing will happen to them if we shut up and be afraid of them!