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Offline todez

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This case has similarites to David's case, but I'm sure there are details that we still don't know.  In either case, both the U.S. and Brazil need to do the right thing!  In particular,  Brazilian Human Rights Minister, Maria do Rosario, had better start doing the right thing if she doesn't want to appear hypocritical!  This case may have further implication for LBPs with children abducted to Brazil.
 
http://voltaantonio.com.br/?p=155  This link is English


http://www.sbt.com.br/jornalismo/noticias/?c=19651&t=Pais%20brasileiros%20brigam%20por%20guarda%20de%20filho%20nascido%20nos%20EUA   This link is in Portuguese
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Offline Bree

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This will be interesting to follow!
"Every parent who has a child and they tuck him in at night, or her in at night, and they wish the best and only the best and they will always protect the child and do whatever they can, but most of the time they don't have to prove it. I'm in the proving grounds, to myself and to my child.  I have to get him home and I will do whatever I have to. I'll never stop to save him."  --David Goldman

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Maria do Rosario is better to take care about all  the Hague income cases in Brazil rather than speaking in the medias about outcoming cases, "do what I say but no what I do...".

Offline todez

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It will also be interesting to see how Brazilian media represents the case.  They've already compared it to David's case, and I got the sense that they're using the Brazil vs U.S. angle.

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It would be good to hear the whole story. Was her return to Brazil with the child something both parties agreed to?
"Sicoli and Bierrenbach were married in 2005 and relocated to Los Angeles in 2007 before separating last year. The mother returned to Brazil with the child last October. Born in Los Angeles, the child has an American and Brazilian passport."

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It's amazing to see how quick the human rights minister is to cite to the Hague Convention.  When Sean was abducted they acted like it didn't apply to his case.

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It would be good to hear the whole story. Was her return to Brazil with the child something both parties agreed to?
"Sicoli and Bierrenbach were married in 2005 and relocated to Los Angeles in 2007 before separating last year. The mother returned to Brazil with the child last October. Born in Los Angeles, the child has an American and Brazilian passport."



yes, he agreed ... In fact, he supported it, according to a Brazilian newspaper










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According to my understanding, SHE gave permission for the child to return to the United States in January (DIFFERENT FROM HOW THE STORY REPORTS IT). Furthermore, if the child was raised in the United States and left in October, 2011 and returned in January, habitual residence was never lost in the United States. Thus, would it matter whether he had consented to relocate to Brazil (if he ever did)? To me, that's the interesting question.

In any event a public battle like this in not healthy for the child and I believe it would not be in Mr. Sicoli's best interests to engage in it.

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According to my understanding, SHE gave permission for the child to return to the United States in January (DIFFERENT FROM HOW THE STORY REPORTS IT). Furthermore, if the child was raised in the United States and left in October, 2011 and returned in January, habitual residence was never lost in the United States. Thus, would it matter whether he had consented to relocate to Brazil (if he ever did)? To me, that's the interesting question.

In any event a public battle like this in not healthy for the child and I believe it would not be in Mr. Sicoli's best interests to engage in it.
she didn't give permission for the child to return to the US...It was only a one month vacation with the father....He even bought the tickets back and forth...but when Antonio arrived he decided he was not going to return to Brazil....if the father wanted Antonio to live with him why he let him return to Brazil and live with the mom? Now, he tricked his ex wife and not let her see her son .... unless she accepted his conditions ........ a bit like the case of Sean ....






















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First and foremost, this case is very different from David and Seans.  The only similarities are the countries involved and specific laws that apply (Hague Abduction Convention.)


For starters:


1.) Both parents appear to be Brazilian (not positive about father.)
2.) Both parents have lived in both countries and appear to be comfortable and familiar in both countries.
3.) Both parents are still alive.
4.) Children may speak both languages.
5.) Both sides of the children's extended family may live in Brazil.


On the one hand American courts should take into consideration the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of Brazilian courts at securing access for American parents after children are returned.  On the other hand Brazilian courts have already shown in this concrete case that they are, or at least were, willing to allow travel to the United States for visitation.


This is the type of case where I'm actually somewhat less against calling this an "international custody case" rather than an abduction.  It would appear neither parent is being forced or asked to go to a foreign country they know little or nothing about, and have no friends or family in, to try to litigate in a completely alien court and legal system where they have to face nationalistic and xenophobic biases.


The Hague Convention case is going to essentially revolve around determining what the children's habitual residence was at the time of the "unlawful retention" when the children were not returned to Brazil.


Determining habitual residence can be complex in cases like this.  It requires a fact based analysis of which country the children have ties to and what the intent and expectation of the parents were.  Courts have held, rather reasonably in my opinion, that when both parents plan a permanent relocation of their family to a foreign country that this "shared intent" and action creates an immediate change in the "habitual residence" to the new country.   Sometimes, however, parents agree to a "trial period" or something similar so the courts will likely look for evidence as to what the parents expressed intent was prior to moving back to Brazil.


It will be an interesting case to watch, but with both parents seemingly having strong ties to both countries this case is much less clear-cut than many of them.


What does appear clear here is that the father did take the children on vacation to the United States and refuse to return them.  I think that, generally speaking, this is a "legal strategy" that should be strongly rejected.
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