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Title: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: Jacobsfather on April 29, 2012, 07:08:27 PM
My ex wife and I were finalizing our divorce in June of 2009, I was living in Meridian, Idaho and She was living in greater Miami, FL. I had never retained a lawyer during the whole proceedings because we (I) were still somewhat cordial and we both had wanted the process to be as painless as possible. I was not in the state of Florida for the final hearing as I was told I did not have to be and so far as I believed, nothing was contested. Our custody agreement as it was sent to me was essentially having shared custody with residence being with my son Jacob's mother; Jacob would stay with me during the month of July and the first two weeks of December; any other visitation would be contingent upon 72 hours notice and both parties agreement. My ex-wife, Diana, drafted and sent the papers to me overnight, and I immediately signed, notarized, and over nighted the 7 papers right back to Diana. Two weeks later (about a week after final judgment) My ex-wife had stopped returning my phone calls and emails. Up to that point I was under the assumption that I would be flying out to Florida to pick up Jacob and was waiting to confirm dates and times. I then received a copy of the divorce decree and was devastated to find that Diana had kept only the last page of the Florida Custody Agreement with my notarized signature and redrafted an entirely different set of agreements that made it appear as though I waived all parental rights and had no desire to participate in the minor child's upbringing and the mother did not have to notify the father of their whereabouts. I immediately retained a lawyer, sold everything I owned, borrowed money, and took a paycut to transfer to a job in Florida. This has been a painfully slow and often fruitless campaign. It took me this long just to be able to throw out the final judgment. I now have an emergency pick up order and am working through the state department under the Hague Convention. I have not seen my son in three years. I have emailed, called, contacted relatives, tried to subpoena, advertised, and done it all again several times. This has been the single most painful event I have had to endure, and there is no end in sight. I still have to locate my son in Colombia, and then convince their government authorities to acknowledge my parental custody and somehow convince my son's mother to voluntarily place him in my custody. All of that being said, has ANYBODY had or is now dealing with the Colombian Government as it pertains to custody? Has anybody dealt with or is now dealing with the US State Department, specifically Mr. Slushers office? I have hired an additional Lawyer in Colombia, how much is a normal retainer? Any helpful hints, suggestions, or points of contacts would be tremendously appreciated. Best of luck to all you parents out there.
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: SageDad on April 30, 2012, 12:58:13 AM
Basically all of Latin America, and most every Civil law country I can think of, is non-compliant with the Hague Convention.  I know of very few cases with Colombia personally but one man who may be able to provide some insight into how best to proceed is Isidoro Rodriguez.  I've never worked with, or comunicated with, him personally, but he has a pretty extensive legal background in both countries and an intimate familiarity with these types of cases having litigated one for his own son.
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: Jacobsfather on April 30, 2012, 11:33:02 AM
I originally thought that Columbia was not a party to the Hague Convention, but they are somehow covered, I am not a hundred percent sure how. The representatives from the US State department has Hague representatives in Columbia, but I am only in my second week of submitting documentation and have not begun the Colombian side of locating my son. Do you have contact info for Mr. Rodriguez? What I really need is a private investigator to locate my son so that his mother can actually be served with papers (the most challenging part of this entire process for me) and possibly monitor her during the custody transfer so as to prevent her from further evading authorities. An issue that has become apparent is the inability to trust anyone without being extorted or possibly selling information to my ex-wife.
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: LukieD on May 01, 2012, 12:01:44 PM
There's some country-specific information on the State Dept's website you might find helpful here:

http://travel.state.gov/abduction/country/country_3057.html

Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: SageDad on May 01, 2012, 01:17:01 PM
Colombia is a signatory to the Hague Convention.  You can read a bit about their history of compliance with it here:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_child_abduction_in_the_United_States#Latin_America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_child_abduction_in_the_United_States#Latin_America)


Most of the information there is a summary of the State Department's country specific information flyer (linked above by LukieD) and details that have been included in past Compliance Reports.
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: StrngConviction on May 01, 2012, 09:26:37 PM
If she did something Illegal and the authorities know this , spend your money getting the charges pressed and getting the FBI involved ASAP so they can extradite her.
 The Hague as it stands will only cost you money and your child if she acquired an order she can present to the columbia authorities as valid when she left.What happens in cases like yours is they drag it on till the child is settled and your out of money. A foreign country will not look behind a court order that was valid when she left.
Please , get the charges pressed and get an extradition ASAP, time is of the essence.
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: Jacobsfather on May 02, 2012, 01:05:29 AM
For my custody case the most difficult thing was getting the final judgment vacated, the better part of 2 years has been just trying to make any contact with my son's mother to serve her with a subpoena or convince the judge that the original order was fraudulent. I dont see my ex-wife coming back to the jurisdiction of the Broward County Courts to explain herself and risk criminal charges and certainly have Jacob placed in my custody. I do have an emergency pick up order (effectively throwing out the final judgment) authorizing any US Law enforcement officer or representative to take Jacob and immediately place him into my custody. The State Department also has a hold on my son's Passport. You are right about the validity of the court order as it read when she left, but my argument has and continues to be that that order was rendered as a result of defrauding the court. The facts of the case require all parties to be in front of a judge to sort this out. What I really need is a Genie and 3 wishes.
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: StrngConviction on May 02, 2012, 07:53:33 AM
thats why i said pursue charges so the FBI can force her back. Under  Hague guidelines , the country she is in will not force her back because when she left she had the custody, no matter how she got it , she got it.  In other words she DID NOT  wrongfully remove the child because she had the order. We in America know she got that order through fraud but until she is convicted of that the order still stands in their country. So dont fall for that Hague BS and not press criminal charges or you will have wasted to much time. My prayers are with you buddy.
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: LukieD on May 02, 2012, 09:34:09 AM
If she did something Illegal and the authorities know this , spend your money getting the charges pressed and getting the FBI involved ASAP so they can extradite her.

I don't think one could reasonably expect Colombia to extradite one of its citizen's for these offenses. Maybe for drug trafficking, but not child abduction-related offenses. From the State Dept handbook on Colombia:

"Provide information concerning the criminal aspects of the case, including the use of federal and state criminal warrants against an abducting parent, passport revocation, and extradition from a foreign country to effect return of a child to the U.S.[there’s no extradition from Colombia in these cases, so why mention it?]

Here's an article on some changes Colombia was considering making to its extradition treaty with the U.S.

http://colombiareports.com/colombia-news/news/9515-court-considers-amending-us-extradition-treaty.html
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: StrngConviction on May 02, 2012, 10:34:00 PM
I would mention it because if she had a court order of full custody, the Hague is not going to do him any good.
 I sure dont expect them to hand her over for no reason as the state  dept. would suggest. Like i said , the hague is worthless if she had a legal document to hand to her government, signatory  State or not.  I, the FBI ,and the Dept. of Homeland Security  believe  if your child was kidnapped as mine was( through fraud of the court and forgery ) you can waste time and not press charges , spend all your money on attorneys and get thrown to the way side like most of us that had an order for return did or do what is suggested by getting charges against her and hope Columbia does start extraditing or she comes back to the states and they catch her and your child at a port.
   Ireland refuses to look past an Order My Ex illegally got even with the police statements that she is wanted in question to forgery charges and the fraud on the court, aaaand  a judges order for his return aaaand an afidavit of law stating she abducted him that was hired by their court. I couldnt imagine being in a spot like yours and not starting off with criminal charges.
 As far as the post saying "No extraditions in these cases" that is correct because a Hague trial is a civil , not a criminal court. Its two different Beasts.

I don't think one could reasonably expect Colombia to extradite one of its citizen's for these offenses. Maybe for drug trafficking, but not child abduction-related offenses. From the State Dept handbook on Colombia:

"Provide information concerning the criminal aspects of the case, including the use of federal and state criminal warrants against an abducting parent, passport revocation, and extradition from a foreign country to effect return of a child to the U.S.[there’s no extradition from Colombia in these cases, so why mention it?]

Here's an article on some changes Colombia was considering making to its extradition treaty with the U.S.

http://colombiareports.com/colombia-news/news/9515-court-considers-amending-us-extradition-treaty.html (http://colombiareports.com/colombia-news/news/9515-court-considers-amending-us-extradition-treaty.html)
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: LukieD on May 02, 2012, 10:39:35 PM
"Provide information concerning the criminal aspects of the case, including the use of federal and state criminal warrants against an abducting parent, passport revocation, and extradition from a foreign country to effect return of a child to the U.S.[there’s no extradition from Colombia in these cases, so why mention it?]

You know, as I go back and read this again, I'm not sure the bolded text above was intended to be part of the State Dept's webpage. Seems like perhaps it was meant as an edit to an earlier draft and got left in the material the State Dept posted online. Either way, it says something about the likely success of any attempts to extradite a parental child abductor.
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: StrngConviction on May 02, 2012, 10:43:13 PM
im glad to see in your URL post of extraditions their proposal includes humanity crimes. Thanks for the URLs LukieD
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: LukieD on May 03, 2012, 10:42:51 AM
This is perhaps the better line to quote from the State Dept report I link to above:

"Criminal Aspects:  The crime of international parental abduction is covered in the Colombian Penal Code as simple kidnapping, with circumstances that can increase or reduce the punishment. Colombia does not consider international parental kidnapping as an extraditable offense. "
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: StrngConviction on May 03, 2012, 10:30:14 PM
Ya , were caught by our cohonas in any country it seems lukieD. your the bomb , thanks

Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: Jacobsfather on May 06, 2012, 01:09:42 PM
This is all great stuff, I wish I had known this when I started 3 years ago.
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: SageDad on May 07, 2012, 12:32:46 PM
This is all great stuff, I wish I had known this when I started 3 years ago.


Yes, it's amazing how much critical information is routinely not given to parents by agencies like the US Department of State...


It's almost as though they are intentionally setting American parents up for failure or something  ;)
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: StrngConviction on May 07, 2012, 07:15:20 PM

Yes, it's amazing how much critical information is routinely not given to parents by agencies like the US Department of State...


It's almost as though they are intentionally setting American parents up for failure or something  ;)
Don't get me started on conspiracy theories...Never paid much attention to them till I met the US Dept of State fake face agenda. I just cant understand the why and how... why the countries would want to keep abducting parents and why our country is so willing to let them keep them... and HOW do they keep getting away with such a horrific thing  right in front of the public eye? I truly think it has to do with the other countries lack of young work force though.
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: SageDad on May 07, 2012, 10:42:51 PM
Don't get me started on conspiracy theories...Never paid much attention to them till I met the US Dept of State fake face agenda. I just cant understand the why and how... why the countries would want to keep abducting parents and why our country is so willing to let them keep them... and HOW do they keep getting away with such a horrific thing  right in front of the public eye? I truly think it has to do with the other countries lack of young work force though.


I think you'll like this book:


http://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Diplomacy-Department-Threatens-Americas/dp/0895261103/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top (http://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Diplomacy-Department-Threatens-Americas/dp/0895261103/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top)


From the Wikipedia article on International child abduction in Mexico (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_child_abduction_in_Mexico):


Dangerous DiplomacyJoel Mowbray (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joel_Mowbray&action=edit&redlink=1), the journalist credited with exposing the still-running "Visa Express (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Express)" program of the US State Department long after it allowed the entry of at least 15 of the 18 hijackers of September 11, 2001, wrote the book Dangerous Diplomacy on the role and culture of the US State Department. Mowbray's second chapter in Dangerous Diplomacy, titled "Cold Shoulder: State's Smallest Victim's", is dedicated to an analysis of the assistance provided to American parents left in the wake of an international child abduction. It describes State's overriding desire to appease foreign governments and maintain "good relations" as having a conflict of interest between their responsibility to internationally abducted children as the designated United States Central Authority under the Hague Convention. This inherent conflict of interest between the two roles is magnified by what the book defines as the "culture of state", a culture characterized by extreme moral relativism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism), valuing process over substance and misplaced priorities that reward failures by promotions or high paying jobs "consulting" for the foreign government of the country that they'd previously been paid to advocate America's interests in.[48] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_child_abduction_in_Mexico#cite_note-dangerous-47)
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: Jacobsfather on May 08, 2012, 12:40:58 AM
ok I am supposed to plan on being in Colombia in mid june-mid july. Are there any other parents with ongoing cases in Colombia? I wanted to ask, does this or any other organization hold a conference ever? It would be great to get a gathering of past and present LBPs and have workshops for the infinite number of issues you are never aware of until this happens.
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: Douglas on May 11, 2012, 07:47:58 AM
Jacobsfather,


I have a daughter in Colombia.  Check your inbox and contact me.


Doug
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: M.Capestro on May 11, 2012, 08:24:50 AM
Great to see you in the forums, Doug. Hope all is well. Keeping you and yours in our thoughts.
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: LukieD on May 11, 2012, 10:43:11 AM
ok I am supposed to plan on being in Colombia in mid june-mid july. Are there any other parents with ongoing cases in Colombia? I wanted to ask, does this or any other organization hold a conference ever? It would be great to get a gathering of past and present LBPs and have workshops for the infinite number of issues you are never aware of until this happens.

Are you planning to attend the OCI Open House next week (May 16) in Washington DC? If not, you should go. It will be a good chance to meet some other parents with abducted children, if nothing more.
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: Jacobsfather on May 12, 2012, 05:42:36 PM
I would love to go, and I hope someone is representing BSH and the rest of us. Unfortunately I cant attend. Someone please take notes or feel free to conference call me in, I would love to see a streaming broadcast or audio broadcast of the meeting and its discussions. I think it is a great step towards promoting more dialogue and national visibility.
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: Jacobsfather on May 14, 2012, 04:55:46 PM
2 months shy of 3 years my son was abducted and Broward County Sheriffs Office officially deemed my son a missing person today! I have had one Deputy tell me that there was nothing that could be done and suggested I "ggole" my sons whereabouts, I had another deputy tell me my son was not missing, he is just with his mother, I was speechless. Even with a court order to immediately place my son into my custody, still nobody wanted to file the report. In the end my lawyer had to pin them down and managed to catch them on a good day. Huge Thank you to Cecile!!!!
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: Jacobsfather on May 16, 2012, 06:01:15 PM
Does anybody know of an inexpensive written spanish interpreter? I have about 100 pages of documents (Motions, emails, forms, birth certificate, etc) for the Hague that needs to be translated and I havent seen anything less than $2,500 I was thinking $500? The sooner the better call me 813 340 5647
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: Jacobsfather on May 24, 2012, 12:34:37 PM
I have tried to get a hold of anyone from BSHF with no luck. Anyone have contact info?
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: M.Capestro on May 31, 2012, 09:21:30 AM
Hi JacobsFather. I'm sorry for the delay in response. There are only a few of us "manning the phones." I'll search my inbox for your contact submissions and get back to you asap.
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: Jacobsfather on June 06, 2012, 04:46:43 AM
OK, please feel free to email me, royk99@me.com
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: MelissaFather on July 11, 2012, 07:16:59 PM
JacobsFather,
I am MelissaFather, I am trying to get my daughter back from Colombia too. I file the Hague convention and the officer assigned was Slusher too. As today Slusher is not longer with the abduction Unit. Now I am trying to get the congressman and senate to help me as I am trying to contact Hillary Clinton too.
I am located in Florida too.   
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
Post by: Jacobsfather on October 21, 2012, 02:01:48 PM
Melissa Father, email me asap, there is another Parent in Cali right now as well. use royk99@me.com and it will go to my phone
Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
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Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
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Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
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Title: Re: Parental Abduction, child taken to Colombia
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