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Title: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUESDAY
Post by: JonathanR on December 20, 2009, 05:23:40 PM
is there a chance of this, since david was granted the emergency appeal?
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: LukieD on December 20, 2009, 05:28:05 PM
That's what we're all hoping for, but right now it is premature. It looks as if one Supreme Court justice (not sure if it's the President of the Court or the case judge) has the ability to reverse Marco Aurélio's stay order and re-instate the 48-hour return window. There would then be other avenues of appeal available, so anything is possible. But to answer your question directly, yes, it's possible. This one judge probably feels the weight of the world on his shoulders given the political pressure coming from the highest levels of the US and Brazilian governments.
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: Sandra on December 20, 2009, 05:55:50 PM
Twitter STF is back.
Caso Goldman: com início do recesso, min Gilmar Mendes – de plantão – decidirá nesta segunda (21) sobre Mandados de Segurança.


Min. Gilmar Mendes will take a decision on Monday!
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: Caldwell on December 20, 2009, 05:57:12 PM
Quote from: LukieD;53087
That's what we're all hoping for, but right now it is premature. It looks as if one Supreme Court justice (not sure if it's the President of the Court or the case judge) has the ability to reverse Marco Aurélio's stay order and re-instate the 48-hour return window. There would then be other avenues of appeal available, so anything is possible. But to answer your question directly, yes, it's possible. This one judge probably feels the weight of the world on his shoulders given the political pressure coming from the highest levels of the US and Brazilian governments.
There may be a lot of pressure. But, please, it is not like he is being asked to decide if his first or second born child is to be sacrificed to the Gods.  He is being asked to do the right thing, the righteous, just, morally exclusive thing: return a son to his father.  David has been on tape making the very basic plea: "It's not that difficult", and it appears that millions upon millions agree.
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: Audax on December 20, 2009, 05:57:34 PM
Quote from: Sandra;53095
Twitter STF is back.
Caso Goldman: com início do recesso, min Gilmar Mendes – de plantão – decidirá nesta segunda (21) sobre Mandados de Segurança.
 
 
Min. Gilmar Mendes will take a decision on Monday!

OMG! I'm shaking again!!!
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: chopchop on December 20, 2009, 05:58:43 PM
Quote from: Sandra;53095
Twitter STF is back.
Caso Goldman: com início do recesso, min Gilmar Mendes – de plantão – decidirá nesta segunda (21) sobre Mandados de Segurança.
 
 
Min. Gilmar Mendes will take a decision on Monday!

 
Please Mr. Mendes be a hero for the Brazilian people and end this nightmare.  Tonight I'm going to pray like I've never prayed before...
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: JonathanR on December 20, 2009, 06:02:20 PM
Quote from: LukieD;53087
That's what we're all hoping for, but right now it is premature. It looks as if one Supreme Court justice (not sure if it's the President of the Court or the case judge) has the ability to reverse Marco Aurélio's stay order and re-instate the 48-hour return window. There would then be other avenues of appeal available, so anything is possible. But to answer your question directly, yes, it's possible. This one judge probably feels the weight of the world on his shoulders given the political pressure coming from the highest levels of the US and Brazilian governments.

God i hope so! who knows what obama and clinton will say too in the next couple days...
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: Sashia on December 20, 2009, 06:07:50 PM
Quote from: JonathanR;53101
God i hope so! who knows what obama and clinton will say too in the next couple days...

eh' 48 hours are long up. I can't believe they will keep giving them 48 more hours to find ways to torture Sean. If Silvana really moved, does anyone really know where Sean is? That woman has bats in her belfry. She is truly capable of anything, and I believe she has truly gone over the edge.
BTW...someone posted here a request for research on the trade bill, but I can't find the post. So far this is the last publication I can find mentioning it.
 
December 7, 2009
House to Consider Extending GSP & ATPDEA This Week

According to the weekly schedule posted on the House leadership’s website, the chamber will consider legislation to temporarily extend the Generalized System of Preferences (GSP) and the Andean Trade Preference Act/Andean Trade Promotion and Drug Eradication Act (ATPA/ATPDEA) beyond their December 31, 2009 expiration dates this week.


The extension bill is expected to be introduced by House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel (D-NY) early this week and is expected to provide for a 1 year extension. However, as of late last week, the House and Senate had not yet reached an agreement on the length of the extension, but their leaders had been discussing an extension of anywhere between 6 to 24 months.
Although Rangel’s bill is expected to pass the House, it is not certain if the Senate will take up the same bill or introduce their own legislation to extend the programs.
More information on GSP/ATPDEA renewal will be posted to www.barnesrichardson.com (http://www.barnesrichardson.com/) as it becomes available.

I will continue to research at House and Senate sites and see what I can find.
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: Rio Gringa on December 20, 2009, 06:18:03 PM
Because of the political pressure, there seems to be a small possibility that this judge could issue Sean's immediate return to the US, but from what I understand, the family can still appeal the TRF-2 decision to the STJ. But since the emergency decision is being made in the STF, which is the highest court, maybe there's some way to prevent this.
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 20, 2009, 06:18:38 PM
I can't even begin to imagine what David and his family have been through; when I read this initially my heart jumped. Then I realized how many times they've been in this position of possiblity and the heartache over the shennanigans that have followed.
 
All we can do is pray for honesty and wisdom for the brazilian officials in charge of this now.
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: Sashia on December 20, 2009, 06:30:05 PM
Feel free to move this post if some other thread is better.

 
 
Some info on GSP ATPA/ATPDEA==

 The ATPA is also referred to as the ATPA/ATPDEA. The Andean Trade Promotion and Drug Eradication Act (ATPDEA) renewed and expanded the ATPA, which had expired in 2001. ATPDEA provides Bolivia, Colombia, Ecuador, and Peru duty-free access to the U.S. market for any product not specifically excluded and as long as the President maintains each country's eligibility.

Office of the U.S. Trade Representative, "Obama Administration Completes 2008 Annual Review of the Generalized System of Preferences," June 2009, at http://www.ustr.gov/about-us/press-office/press-releases/2009/june/obama-administration-completes-2008-annual-review-gen (http://"http://www.ustr.gov/about-us/press-office/press-releases/2009/june/obama-administration-completes-2008-annual-review-gen) (December 10, 2009).

U.S. Trade Representative, "Fourth Report to the Congress on the Operation of the Andean Trade Preference Act as Amended," April 30, 2009, at http://www.ustr.gov/sites/default/files/USTR%202009%20ATPA%20Report%20Final.pdf (http://www.ustr.gov/sites/default/files/USTR%202009%20ATPA%20Report%20Final.pdf) (December 11, 2009). Values are for ATPA/ATPDEA trade.

Press release, "To Provide for Duty-Free Treatment Under the Earned Import Allowance Program, and for Other Purposes," the White House, November 26, 2008, at http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/ (http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/11/20081126-8.html)
releases/2008/11/20081126-8.html (http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/11/20081126-8.html) (December 10, 2009). Bolivia remains suspended from receiving of ATPA/ATPDEA benefits at this time.

U.S. Chamber of Commerce, "Estimated Impacts of the U.S. Generalized System of Preferences to U.S. Industry and Consumers," October 2006, at http://www.uschamber.com/publications/reports/0610gsp.htm (http://www.uschamber.com/publications/reports/0610gsp.htm) (December 10, 2009).



Gotta go, if I don't do wash,, nothing to wear to work and school tomorrow.


Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: LukieD on December 20, 2009, 06:33:48 PM
Quote from: Rio Gringa;53104
Because of the political pressure, there seems to be a small possibility that this judge could issue Sean's immediate return to the US, but from what I understand, the family can still appeal the TRF-2 decision to the STJ. But since the emergency decision is being made in the STF, which is the highest court, maybe there's some way to prevent this.

RG, I think that is what Tunevsk was implying in an earlier post but I'd like him, or one of the other resident Brazilian legal experts, to clarify that point.
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: LukieD on December 20, 2009, 06:38:07 PM
Quote from: Sandra;53095
Min. Gilmar Mendes will take a decision on Monday!

From what others have said, we have a better shot with Gilmar Mendes than Cezar Peluso. Mendes is the STF President and already rejected a similar habeas corpus petition from Silvana in July.
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: janelr on December 20, 2009, 06:41:26 PM
Please! Please! Please! We need Sean and David on that plane and the wheels up!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: Ian on December 20, 2009, 06:41:45 PM
there is a big chance sean will be back sometime next week. Acording to G1 website, Gilmar Mendes the Supreme Court president, will decide it tomorrow... just remember that he denied Silvana´s Habeas Corpus earlier this year, so he know exactly what to do. At this point, someone in Lula´s office has already called Gilmar to inform him of the interest of the Union in the case.
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: Herb Wife on December 20, 2009, 06:47:09 PM
Mendes bio wikipedia
 
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Title: STF President decides about Sean Monday 21st
Post by: Chicco on December 20, 2009, 07:07:07 PM
Ok folks, now it is time to prey and keep positive thoughts. This one is from G1 - Globo at 9pm today. I am free translating right below. The one deciding will not be Minister Cesar Peluzo but the President of the STF Gilmar Mendes, and for me this is good... but I always think positive so let´s wait for our lawyer friends to comment.... Good dreams, Chicco
 
/ rio de janeiro (http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Rio/0,,5606,00.html) / justiça (http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/0,,LTM0-5597-28416,00.html)
 
(http://g1.globo.com/Portal/G1V2/img/logo_g1.jpg)O Portal de Notícias da Globo
 
 
20/12/09 - 21h00 - Atualizado em 20/12/09 - 21h05
 
Presidente do STF decidirá caso Sean Goldman nesta segunda
 
STF President will decide Sean Goldman´s case this Monday
 
Gilmar Mendes analisará dois mandados de segurança.
Eles pedem a derrubada de uma liminar que manteve o menino no Brasil.
 
Gilmas Mendes will analyse the two injunctions filed.
They request the stay granted last Thursday allowing the boy to remain in Brazil to be suspended.
 
Eduardo Bresciani Do G1, em Brasília
 
 
 
A assessoria de imprensa do Supremo Tribunal Federal (STF) informou na noite deste domingo (20) que o presidente do STF, Gilmar Mendes, tomará uma decisão nesta segunda-feira (21) sobre os mandados de segurança impetrados no tribunal pela Advocacia-Geral da União (AGU) e pelo pai biológico do menino Sean, o norte-americano David Goldman, que pedem a revogação de uma liminar que garantiu a permanência da criança de 9 anos com a avó materna, no Brasil.
 
The Press Agency for the Federal Supreme Court (STF) just informed this Sunday night (20) that Gilmar Mendes, president of the STF, will be the one deciding this Monday (21) on the two injunctions filed at this courrt by the AGU and by David Goldman, the american father of Sean. Both request the suspension of the decision which allowed the 9 years old boy to remain in Brazil with her grandmother for the mother side.
 
A AGU e David Goldman deram entrada nos mandados nessa sexta-feira (18). A intenção é derrubar uma liminar concedida na quinta-feira (17) pelo ministro Marco Aurélio Mello à avó materna do menino, Silvana Bianchi.
 
David Goldman and the AGU filed the two writ of mandamus last Friday (18). The intention is to obtain an injunction suspending the decision in favour of the HC filed by Silvana Bianchi, Sean´s grand mother, last Thursday (17) by Minister Marco Aurelio Mello.
 
Em decisão provisória, Mello garantiu a permanência do menino no país até o julgamento definitivo da ação em que Silvana pede que seja tomado depoimento de Sean para que ele próprio decida entre deixar o país com seu pai biológico ou ficar no Brasil com a família brasileira.
 
In this decision, Mello guarantess the boy remain in Brazil until the final judgement of the HC filed by Silvana where she requests that Sean is heard so that he can decide himself whether he leaves the country with his father or stays in Brazil with his Brazilian family.
 
A liminar concedida pelo ministro do STF suspendeu uma decisão do Tribunal Regional Federal da 2ª Região (TRF-2), que, na quarta-feira (16), havia concedido prazo de 48 horas para que Sean voltasse para os Estados Unidos para viver junto a David Goldman. O pai biológico chegou ao Rio de Janeiro para encontrar o filho no início da tarde de quinta-feira.
 
Mello decision suspended a judgement ruled by the Regional Federal Court of the 2nd region Rio de Janeiro (TRF-2), last Wedesday (16) where it was given a 48 hours deadline for Sean to be returned to the American Consulate in Rio so he could go back to United States to live with David Goldman. His father arrived in Rio to meet his son early in the afternoon last Thursday.
 
O Supremo está em recesso, mas o presidente do STF está de plantão nesta semana e dará uma decisão sobre o caso.
The Supreme Court is already in summer recess, but as it happens in this circunstance, the President of STF is in place this week to decide over urgent matter and will provide a decion on this case tomorrow.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday
Post by: LukieD on December 20, 2009, 07:09:43 PM
I merged Chicco's post into this thread since the same topic is being discussed.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday
Post by: Herb Wife on December 20, 2009, 07:11:11 PM
Interesting comments on Mendes by readers of this story
 
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Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Chicco on December 20, 2009, 07:12:17 PM
Sorry guys... I was so excited I did not see Jonathans thread... my mistake....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Luiza on December 20, 2009, 07:13:21 PM
Wouldn't that be a wonderful Christmas present for David and Sean if they can leave tomorrow.
Title: Re: STF President decides about Sean Monday 21st
Post by: JonathanR on December 20, 2009, 07:15:50 PM
WHAT?!!!! TOMORROW?!!!! Praying hard........
Title: Re: STF President decides about Sean Monday 21st
Post by: Chicco on December 20, 2009, 07:24:37 PM
Quote from: JonathanR;53124
WHAT?!!!! TOMORROW?!!!! Praying hard........

It´s the case of the injusctions filed Friday that he is deciding tomorrow, but hopefully is enough for David to get Sean back, since if decision is to suspend Mello decision, the judgement ruling is back in force.
 
If all goes right David will need all the help he can get. This will be wonderful news for David and many in US in Brazil but this new rupture after all the psicological violence Sean has suffered will be a tough moment for the kid... So when we prey God bless the Minister and enlight him to take the decision needed to settle this case once for all and return Sean to David, but let´s also prey that if this happens Gold also bless Sean, David, David´s family and friends during this whole life transition.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 20, 2009, 07:30:13 PM
I would hope it would be immediate as well, instead of this 48 hours.  Or at least 24 hours, since he was 24 or more hours into the wait in the first place before the stay was issued.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Chicco on December 20, 2009, 07:33:52 PM
Quote from: gail;53130
I would hope it would be immediate as well, instead of this 48 hours. Or at least 24 hours, since he was 24 or more hours into the wait in the first place before the stay was issued.

I don´t know if STF President can technically do something about it unless it is part of at least one of the writs of mandamus filed by David and AGU, but our lawyer members probably understand how it goes. I would hope you are right and the 48 hrs do not start from zero...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Rio Gringa on December 20, 2009, 07:36:00 PM
Personally, I'm more concerned about the enforcement of any ruling than the ruling itself. The family claims to want to "negotiate" but we all know the potential for problems with them.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Chicco on December 20, 2009, 07:38:18 PM
Quote from: Rio Gringa;53132
Personally, I'm more concerned about the enforcement of any ruling than the ruling itself. The family claims to want to "negotiate" but we all know the potential for problems with them.

The fact all of this is happening right at Christmas time is what I like least as it helps emotions to escalate ... (it is good and bad at the same time)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 20, 2009, 07:42:33 PM
I'm worried that they might take off with Sean. There should be surveillance at the compound. Also, if David really has to wait out the 24 or 48 hours, maybe Sean should be in the guard of officials. You know that the kidnappers will use every minute they have Sean to brainwash him and try to alienate him from David.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 20, 2009, 07:44:03 PM
I'm sure they will have that all covered and I do think it is really helping that Chris Smith is over there with David.
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: André Felipe on December 20, 2009, 08:00:26 PM
Quote from: Rio Gringa;53104
Because of the political pressure, there seems to be a small possibility that this judge could issue Sean's immediate return to the US, but from what I understand, the family can still appeal the TRF-2 decision to the STJ. But since the emergency decision is being made in the STF, which is the highest court, maybe there's some way to prevent this.

That's very very possible, indeed.
But I realy would not like to be this STJ plantonist Minister (if he tends to grant a stay order in favor to JPLS, specially if Gilmar Mendes cancel MA's preliminary decision tomorrow)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Angel For Justice on December 20, 2009, 08:04:29 PM
I simply don't understand how the grandmother has any rights to involvement here at all. All she should be entitled to is to file for Rights of Access under the Hague Convention where she is not a parent of Sean, just a grandmother. She should only be entitled to visitation. Well, of course, she is entitled to go to jail (with the step father) for wrongfully retaining Sean for the last 2 years since the mother died. I hope David decides to pursue criminal action against the woman when he gets Sean back. Then, I believe, there will be Justice For All...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: heatheram29 on December 20, 2009, 08:09:50 PM
Quote from: Audax;53137
I'm worried that they might take off with Sean. There should be surveillance at the compound. Also, if David really has to wait out the 24 or 48 hours, maybe Sean should be in the guard of officials. You know that the kidnappers will use every minute they have Sean to brainwash him and try to alienate him from David.

 
As am I. I wouldn't put anything past these people.. anything.
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: kmoor88 on December 20, 2009, 08:11:58 PM
Quote from: André Felipe;53140
That's very very possible, indeed.
But I realy would not like to be this STJ plantonist Minister (if he tends to grant a stay order in favor to JPLS, specially if Gilmar Mendes cancel MA's preliminary decision tomorrow)
Thank You, Andre' I will be able to sleep a little better now hearing that from you. We really appreciate you:)
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: noah3698 on December 20, 2009, 08:14:40 PM
Quote from: André Felipe;53140
That's very very possible, indeed.
But I realy would not like to be this STJ plantonist Minister (if he tends to grant a stay order in favor to JPLS, specially if Gilmar Mendes cancel MA's preliminary decision tomorrow)

My question is.....
I thought it takes time for an appeal to be accepted (not filed) by the court and if the 48 house ruling goes back into effect than would JPLS's legal team have enough time for their appeal to be heard?

-chrissy
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: André Felipe on December 20, 2009, 08:16:38 PM
Quote from: Angel For Justice;53143
I simply don't understand how the grandmother has any rights to involvement here at all. All she should be entitled to is to file for Rights of Access under the Hague Convention where she is not a parent of Sean, just a grandmother. She should only be entitled to visitation. Well, of course, she is entitled to go to jail (with the step father) for wrongfully retaining Sean for the last 2 years since the mother died. I hope David decides to pursue criminal action against the woman when he gets Sean back. Then, I believe, there will be Justice For All...

She is not part of the Hague proceeding (AGU, David x JPLS).
That's why she filed a Habeas Corpus. Anyone can fill a HC in favor to anyone. Even myself could fill an habeas corpus asking what she is asking.
 
The problem is, HC should never be received by the Minister in this case, there's no violation against Sean's right of liberty of moving.
Marco Aurelio should have done like Gilmar Mendes did before, which is to archive the HC.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Teena on December 20, 2009, 08:22:17 PM
Oh geeeez! Praying so hard for David and Sean! Let this nightmare be over and David and Sean HEAL! There is definitely a lot of healing to be done. Then we can work on getting the rest of these kids home!
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: André Felipe on December 20, 2009, 08:23:03 PM
Quote from: noah3698;53149
My question is.....
I thought it takes time for an appeal to be accepted (not filed) by the court and if the 48 house ruling goes back into effect than would JPLS's legal team have enough time for their appeal to be heard?
 
-chrissy

It can happen, but it's also very possible the first analyse of the appeal to occur within 24h period, or 48 hours. It's not unusual.
 
The problem (for JPLS) is: if GM cancels MA's decision tomorrow, would the STJ plantonist Minister, or the TRF's president have courage enough to grant another stay order in favor to JPLS? after all this mess created by Silvana and Marco Aurelio???
 
I don't think so. (I hope).
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: tweinstein on December 20, 2009, 08:38:02 PM
Quote from: Rio Gringa;53104
Because of the political pressure, there seems to be a small possibility that this judge could issue Sean's immediate return to the US, but from what I understand, the family can still appeal the TRF-2 decision to the STJ. But since the emergency decision is being made in the STF, which is the highest court, maybe there's some way to prevent this.
I believe the AGU's latest motion to declare the Hague Convention as supralegal addresses this. If it is granted, it should severely limit the JPLS crew's ability to file appeals.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BEJ_Mom on December 20, 2009, 08:42:22 PM
How many times do they get to be told no? Enough with the appeals & the stays already. Their 48 hours was up in June. Their 6 weeks was up years ago! SEND THE BOY HOME!
 
Praying for Sean's & David's strength, healing & a safe return to NJ.
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: mikeberry on December 20, 2009, 08:46:09 PM
Quote from: André Felipe;53152
It can happen, but it's also very possible the first analyse of the appeal to occur within 24h period, or 48 hours. It's not unusual.
 
The problem (for JPLS) is: if GM cancels MA's decision tomorrow, would the STJ plantonist Minister, or the TRF's president have courage enough to grant another stay order in favor to JPLS? after all this mess created by Silvana and Marco Aurelio???
 
I don't think so. (I hope).

I agree with you Andre!  Did you see how fast the Brazillian Gov't "mobilized" in order to stop the retaliation?  :D  Don't know where the article is.  Somewhere in the threads.  I wonder how Lula would feel to have the same chain of events repeated, but with even more media and scrutiny.  Stay lifted, then appealed again and another stay.  I just don't see it happening at this point.  Silvana wanting to deal is a very positive sign in my book.  She is trying to save face.  She looked anything but sympathetic asking David to dinner and then threatening him.  :eek:  What a complete waste of flesh.
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: sue on December 20, 2009, 08:52:49 PM
Quote from: tweinstein;53162
I believe the AGU's latest motion to declare the Hague Convention as supralegal addresses this. If it is granted, it should severely limit the JPLS crew's ability to file appeals.
That's a very good point!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: M.Capestro on December 20, 2009, 08:56:23 PM
Quote from: lbl;53159
Just want to say that I will pray big time for David and Sean tonight .... it's not over yet... but without BSH's team nothing would have happened... So amazing what all of you have done for David, Sean & JUSTICE !!!!  Happy Holidays to all of you!

And to you, lbl. May God's blessings be with you and yours this holiday season and may 2010 be a breakthrough and joyfilled year!
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: Jackie in Upstate NY on December 20, 2009, 09:00:57 PM
Quote from: gail;53170
That's a very good point!
Aw - man - do I hope your right ! ... and as it should have been to begin with!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: mikeberry on December 20, 2009, 09:03:26 PM
Goodnight everyone!  I will be praying as always!  I will be checking in from work as much as possible tomorrow.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Feltian on December 20, 2009, 09:09:28 PM
I'm glad my time zone is 6 hours ahead of Rio so when I wake up if the decision has not been announced by then, it will be pretty soon and I will have less moments of being anxious.
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: LukieD on December 20, 2009, 09:11:52 PM
Quote from: tweinstein;53162
I believe the AGU's latest motion to declare the Hague Convention as supralegal addresses this. If it is granted, it should severely limit the JPLS crew's ability to file appeals.

I hope you're right about that because it would set a precedent that SHOULD help you and all of the other LBPs with kids in Brazil.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: suzie on December 20, 2009, 09:54:01 PM
Praying for David and Sean! I do believe in this President!:)
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: lovellboys on December 20, 2009, 10:01:28 PM
Quote from: mikeberry;53167
I agree with you Andre!  Did you see how fast the Brazillian Gov't "mobilized" in order to stop the retaliation?  :D  Don't know where the article is.  Somewhere in the threads.  I wonder how Lula would feel to have the same chain of events repeated, but with even more media and scrutiny.  Stay lifted, then appealed again and another stay.  I just don't see it happening at this point.  Silvana wanting to deal is a very positive sign in my book.  She is trying to save face.  She looked anything but sympathetic asking David to dinner and then threatening him.  :eek:  What a complete waste of flesh.


Ditto.  

The fact that they are suddenly, after more than 5 years, extending dinner invitations and 'olive branches' speaks volumes about how the tide is turned.  Silvana went from rejoicing on Thursday to looking forlorn on Friday.  They get inside info right?  Why else do they suddenly have 'info' on David?  

Had the ensuing uproar not happened, there is no way the president of STF would be making a decision this soon.  Mello & the Tostes clan thought they would have until February to get more appeals in.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Bill33 on December 20, 2009, 10:02:45 PM
Folks, here's hoping that tomorrows discussion involves airplanes taking off and not lawyers...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: liesl78 on December 20, 2009, 10:12:21 PM
Praying for a favorable decision that will be enforced.

*It´s not over til the wheels are up*

Good night, everyone!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 20, 2009, 10:13:42 PM
There has GOT to be a lot of crap going on behind the scenes tonight. I doubt Tostes is sipping brandy by the fire.  Do we have any word from Brazil on who Silvana may be trying to buy off next?  She has got to be quaking in her boots.  

That being said.....there have been a few posts about the 48 time frame that was up on Friday.  If Gilmar rescinds the ruling by Mello, wouldn't the 48 hours be considered expired?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: kathne on December 20, 2009, 10:14:50 PM
here's to justice!  and to love!  and to parents raising their children!  what a wild concept!...no just kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
silmeania and her mean looking lawyer (can't remember his name) -- heck, you can just look at them, and compare them to the look of the dad, and see everthing.  the only brazilian kidnapping family member who even looked slightly kind was that long haired guy, can't remember who that was.  everyone else of that group looked routhless and viscious in interviews.  i'm glad these kidnappers were interviewed so that we could see them in the face.  such mean people.
 
i hope for love and justice with this case.  i was thinking earlier about what it will be like for sean to go back to his house and to see his home and especially his room with his toys. and to be reunited with those memories.  and then his kind dad who saved all these toys for him.
 
i was raised my the most wonderful mom, but she sometimes gave away some of my toys to charity before i was ready to part with them.  and then i'd go up to the playroom to play with doctor drill n' fill or milky the cow or whatever it was, and it would be gone, without my input, and honestly it was very hurtful.  it made me sad and confused.
 
i suspect it will be very meaningful to sean that his room is as he left it.  that his toys, and his memories with those toys, are still there.
 
what a great dad david is.  kathleen
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lexi on December 20, 2009, 10:21:37 PM
Quick question. I haven't yet gone through all the posts on this thread, but has anyone updated CNN and the wire services? Other than one obscure news report (though based on AP in Rio), I haven't seen anything.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Kerry on December 20, 2009, 10:25:31 PM
Silvana,

I hope that you are busy packing up all Sean's belongings!
If not, I suggest you start doing it now......and while you are doing this, use your noggin, and apologise to Sean for keeping him away from his loving dad all these years.
Apologise to him for slandering David, and making him believe it is wrong to love his father.

Above all.........let him know that all will be well, and that he belongs home in NJ with his father, David.

Oh, and if you choose not to pack up his belongings, don't worry - his loving Dad and loving Grandparents will make sure that he will want for nothing back home in the USA.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Motherof2 on December 20, 2009, 10:27:33 PM
These people are crazy to think that Sean does not remember his life in NJ!!!
 My parents moved when I was 4 and to this day a remember the move, the day I arrived at the new house, my first birthday at the new house and the presents that I received for my 5th bday at the new house. This was decades ago!!!
He will remember everything including his feelings about not seeing David after that long plane ride to Rio.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 20, 2009, 10:29:29 PM
I am torn between euphoria and fear.  I get my hopes up when a ruling comes in David's favor, only to have those hopes crushed when a stay is issued.

Will the judge tomorrow rule like he did this summer against the HC?  Will any judge be heartless enough to grant another stay after everything that has transpired in the last 72 hours?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: kiki178 on December 20, 2009, 10:32:16 PM
I will be praying for David and Sean, even harder than before, for his return home with his DAD.
 
Been away for a while with husband having surgery and working alot but checking in from time to time. My husbands been giving me updates while i'm at work, especially with this last ruling in Davids favor I was jumping for joy and then when i got home he told me about the stay being issued. I was so upset as all of you are. My heart just dropped. I wish i could do more. But we have to keep thinking positive.
 
David and Sean you are in my thoughts and prayers.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 20, 2009, 10:38:17 PM
Quote from: lovellboys;53190
I am torn between euphoria and fear.  I get my hopes up when a ruling comes in David's favor, only to have those hopes crushed when a stay is issued.

Will the judge tomorrow rule like he did this summer against the HC?  Will any judge be heartless enough to grant another stay after everything that has transpired in the last 72 hours?

Here's hoping for a slam-dunk repudiation of the MA stay coupled with an order to bring Sean to the Consulate by 6 p.m.  If GM recognizes the seriousness of the ongoing abuse, that would be the right thing to do.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: LDJVR on December 20, 2009, 10:44:09 PM
Can't understand why any member of the Brazilian judiciary would want to let a crusty old lady drive the whole system to a shameful grave??
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: pedi on December 20, 2009, 11:13:20 PM
so if there is one person on duty tomorrow to decide for sean to go home or to stay in brazil for now, but the rest of the judicial system is in recess till february, would that be the same person who would have to decide on appeals by granny/stepdad? or would that be dealt with in Feb 2010???
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: applesauce on December 20, 2009, 11:21:20 PM
David and Sean, you are both in my thoughts and prayers for an imminent reunion!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: margie on December 20, 2009, 11:39:14 PM
Wow - I left the forum to catch up on housework and now look. Unfortunately I have to work tomorrow but will check in too as often as I can.

Praying big time for Sean and David tomorrow. Wonder what time it will all begin? I'm going to be hopeful and pray to God that this circus is done and to heck with that 24-48 hrs. bologna! I'm sure too that David's legal team has everything all covered.

Hope I can sleep. Good night all.

Margie
Title: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: Bob D'Amico on December 20, 2009, 11:40:17 PM
WCBS-TV NYC has just reported that the Brazilian Supreme Court will issue a ruling on Monday.
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: LDJVR on December 20, 2009, 11:42:37 PM
Lord, please let this be the end and Sean go home with his dad.
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: zipbags on December 20, 2009, 11:50:58 PM
Just heard this.  I assume this is big. Since the Supreme Court was in recess until Feb.
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: Bob D'Amico on December 20, 2009, 11:51:08 PM
AP Interview: US dad would let relatives visit son
By BRADLEY BROOKS (AP) – 4 hours ago
RIO DE JANEIRO — A New Jersey man who has fought for five years to regain custody of his young son in Brazil would allow the boy's Brazilian family visitation if he wins his case, he told The Associated Press on Sunday.

David Goldman, whose battle to return his 9-year-old boy, Sean, to the U.S. lies in the hands of a Brazilian Supreme Court justice, said he wants to spend the holidays with his son — in the United States.

"It's my hope we'll have ... the holidays and New Year's and a very long, happy, healed life as father and son — at home," Goldman told the AP in an exclusive interview. "My whole family and Sean's whole family have been waiting, agonizing for over five years to be reunited with their grandson, with their cousin, with their nephew, with my son."

Late Sunday, the court said in an online statement that Chief Justice Gilmar Mendes would rule Monday on appeals made by Goldman and Brazil's attorney general seeking to lift a stay on a lower court's order that Sean be handed over to his father.


If Mendes lifts the stay, lawyers in both camps said, the Brazilian family could still appeal to the nation's highest appeals court — but it's questionable whether that court would be willing to review the case if the Supreme Court backs a lower federal court ruling giving Goldman custody.
Goldman has pressed his case in U.S. and Brazilian courts since Sean was taken by his mother in 2004 to her native Brazil, where she then divorced Goldman and remarried. She died last year in childbirth, and the boy has lived with his stepfather since.

The lawyer for the boy's Brazilian family has offered to negotiate a settlement, and the family also invited Goldman to spend Christmas with them.

Goldman did not say whether he would accept the invitation if the case is not resolved this week.

Asked if Sean's Brazilian family would be able to visit the boy, Goldman said yes.

"I will not do to them what they've done to Sean and me," he said.


The case has affected diplomatic ties between Brazil and the U.S., reaching talks between President Barack Obama and his Brazilian counterpart, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. A U.S. senator, reacting to the case, blocked the renewal of a $2.75 billion trade deal this week that would lift tariffs on some Brazilian exports.

The U.S. State Department has pressed for the boy to be returned. But a Brazilian Supreme Court justice on Thursday stayed a lower court decision allowing Sean to return to his father.

Goldman — along with Brazil's attorney general — filed appeals Friday asking the Supreme Court to overturn the judge's decision to block Sean's return while the court considers hearing direct testimony from the boy.

Meanwhile, the Brazilian family's lawyer, Sergio Tostes, told the AP he would like to see a negotiated settlement worked out to halt the damage being done to Sean, as well as to U.S.-Brazil relations.
"We're raising the white flag and saying: 'Let's get together, let's talk. We're the adults, we have responsibilities, so let's start to have a constructive conversation,'" Tostes said.


Goldman, however, was in no mood to negotiate.
"This isn't about a shared custody — I'm his dad, I'm his only parent," Goldman said. "This isn't a custody case — it's an abduction case."


That is also how the U.S. and Brazilian governments see it.

Tostes promised a hard battle to the end and threatened that some damaging details — presumably about Goldman — that had yet to be released would become public if needed. He gave no further explanation.
After many disappointments, Goldman said he is taking nothing for granted.

"Until my son and I are on a plane together and those wheels are up, I'll be no less determined and no less hopeful for that day to come," he said.
He said he can't wait to make up for lost time.

"I have five years of love to give him, so he's going to get an extraordinary amount," Goldman said. "With love and patience, we will heal."
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: kathne on December 20, 2009, 11:52:26 PM
i hope for love and love and love and LOVE AND LOVE AND LOVE AND LOVE AND LAW.
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: LukieD on December 20, 2009, 11:52:39 PM
Bob, where you been bro? we've been posting about this for hours! See thread on STF Decision expected tomorrow.
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: Bob D'Amico on December 20, 2009, 11:55:31 PM
:emb: I've been sending out nearly 10,000 emails. :shooter:
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: kathne on December 20, 2009, 11:58:27 PM
everyone here is so cool.  what a neat group of poeple fighting for love and for parents loving kids.  i'm touched.  i don't like the idea of strangers kidnapping kids.
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: kathne on December 21, 2009, 12:01:46 AM
i'd like to give money to people who value love and who value parents being with theird kids.  how do we best give funds?  on the precipe of sean and david being together, i want more than ever to be part of this loving feeling?  kathne
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: Ceilli on December 21, 2009, 12:03:26 AM
Quote from: Bob D'Amico;53230
:emb: I've been sending out nearly 10,000 emails. :shooter:

:clapping:
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: Chuckles on December 21, 2009, 12:03:39 AM
Quote from: kathne;53233
i'd like to give money to people who value love and who value parents being with theird kids.  how do we best give funds?  on the precipe of sean and david being together, i want more than ever to be part of this loving feeling?  kathne
http://bringseanhome.org/donate.html

Bless you for your generosity!
:)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Bob D'Amico on December 21, 2009, 12:03:59 AM
Quote from: gail;53138
I'm sure they will have that all covered and I do think it is really helping that Chris Smith is over there with David.

I think you are spot on Gail, watch the video on this page, Tostes wants to negotiate with Bernie Aronson who is in DC rather than Chris Smith in Rio

http://www.necn.com/Boston/World/2009/12/20/Lawyer-Everyone-suffering-in/1261357695.html
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: gil on December 21, 2009, 12:16:02 AM
Quote from: Bob D'Amico;53236
I think you are spot on Gail, watch the video on this page, Tostes wants to negotiate with Bernie Aronson who is DC rather than Chris Smith in Rio
 
http://www.necn.com/Boston/World/2009/12/20/Lawyer-Everyone-suffering-in/1261357695.html

He knows there's no negotiating to do with Chris Smith. Hand Sean over to his father. End of discussion. And frankly, he doesn't know a thing about Bernie Aronson if he thinks negotiations with him would be any more worthwhile.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Evadc on December 21, 2009, 12:22:58 AM
Hope I can have a good night sleep, as well as David because he will need energy to hug Sean,kiss him and hold his hands on the way home.
Best wishes for Dad and son.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Bob D'Amico on December 21, 2009, 12:24:13 AM
I agree 100% about Smith and he is assuming that Aronson will be easier but he is dead wrong. What's there to negotiate anyhow, David will allow them to come visit Sean in the US as much as they want.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 12:31:39 AM
Hey Testes,
 
You think dealing with CONGRESSMAN Smith (not Mr. Smith - he worked hard for his title) is though and things will be better with Bernard Aronson?????
 
Where have you been in the last year? Oh, I remember. Digging a hole. Obviously you have become a pro at that, because you're getting deeper by the second.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: kathne on December 21, 2009, 12:31:47 AM
i'd like to really give to the cause of dad's being with their muppets.  i've given a small amount to david goldman but i'm so inspiried i'd like to give a large amount.  and i only want to give to dads who are trying to be back with their children.
 
i was raised by a great mom and a great dad and i see the wonderful value of men and fathers.  i'm inspired and i have a really good job with microsoft.  i can give a lot.  i'm sorry, but moms need not apply, because given gender bias, there is no real need of help.  and i live in the world of real and of love.  i'd love to give a lot of love to a dad who was fighting for his son.
 
can you put me in touch?
 
i'm only willing to give to causes that have value and maybe this website knows of dads that really need help.  i want to help them not feal financial stress as they push to be with their kids.
 
i can not help moms.  i'm sure that in some rare cases there are moms needing help, but i'm sorry that i can't be helpful to your drastic minority.
 
kathleen
who has funds to give to dads
 
kathne
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: mvieira on December 21, 2009, 12:40:14 AM
Hey, maybe this Monday I'll have a good reason to believe my native country -- Brazil -- actually has a bright future.  I don't care about Olympics or World Cups, all I really, really want is common-sense justice.  If that lone judge makes that happen today, I'll go home earlier and drink a nice cold beer in David & Sean's honor.  It will be, to me, the best story of 2009!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: kathne on December 21, 2009, 12:43:06 AM
the best story to 2009.  but also the best story to love.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: greg4sean on December 21, 2009, 12:44:45 AM
Quote from: kathne;53247
i'd like to really give to the cause of dad's being with their muppets. i've given a small amount to david goldman but i'm so inspiried i'd like to give a large amount. and i only want to give to dads who are trying to be back with their children.
 
i was raised by a great mom and a great dad and i see the wonderful value of men and fathers. i'm inspired and i have a really good job with microsoft. i can give a lot. i'm sorry, but moms need not apply, because given gender bias, there is no real need of help. and i live in the world of real and of love. i'd love to give a lot of love to a dad who was fighting for his son.
 
can you put me in touch?
 
i'm only willing to give to causes that have value and maybe this website knows of dads that really need help. i want to help them not feal financial stress as they push to be with their kids.
 
i can not help moms. i'm sure that in some rare cases there are moms needing help, but i'm sorry that i can't be helpful to your drastic minority.
 
kathleen
who has funds to give to dads
 
kathne

As all LBP can tell you it is very expensive to fight and our government does not provide any help on cost. I am not rich but if I was I would help any LBP man or woman, as it is I do donate as much as I can when I can and now both to the foundation and to help David’s legal fees. Yes there are biased positions that favor the woman in other countries but unless the woman LBP is very rich she needs help. I think David’s expenses are over $500,000.00 at this time, if Bob or someone knows the current figure please post a reply.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 12:44:59 AM
Quote from: Bob D'Amico;53236
I think you are spot on Gail, watch the video on this page, Tostes wants to negotiate with Bernie Aronson who is in DC rather than Chris Smith in Rio

http://www.necn.com/Boston/World/2009/12/20/Lawyer-Everyone-suffering-in/1261357695.html

WHAT??!! What is this guy talking about? Why would HE talk with CHRIS SMITH or B. ARONSON? As Bob said, what the hell is there to talk about? Geez these folks are driving me nuts to not acknowledge that the entire case is collapsing around them and their support is down to a close circle of family.

You know what he's doing? You could hear it when he talks about de-linking David's case from other Hague (he does not use the word) cases. He's trying to nullify the argument that this is a Hague case, which is part of the strength of the AGs claim against the court even considering the HC filing by gramma. This guy is pulling out all the stops.

Please, this has got to end tomorrow. Please.
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: kathne on December 21, 2009, 12:51:11 AM
this is the most wonderful website ever and i'm convinced that the people sharing their thoughts and feelings are smart and deeply hurt.
 
i, for one, am hurt at what happens to little ones.  i'd like to help reverse that.
 
i pray to the universe for david and his boy.
 
all love, kathne
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: kathne on December 21, 2009, 12:59:01 AM
i would love to give to this cause or any dad's cause.  parents are always important and true!  dad's are wonderful!  look to the ghetto for how a matriarchary works.  dads are important!
kathleen (raised by a great mom and a great dad!)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: kathne on December 21, 2009, 01:08:08 AM
i guess what i'm saying is that i hope a dad in need gets in touch with me.  i just don't have the heart to help moms, when there is such biased application of the law.  i like love and truth, and so i hope that a dad who loves his kids gets in touch with me.
 
kathleen
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: UD_student on December 21, 2009, 01:25:29 AM
Kathne, I commend you for wanting to assist fathers who love their children and need money to fight to assert their rights as a parent due to international child abduction or other means!

There actually are some heartbreaking stories of mothers unable to be with their children in countries with court systems that always give custody to the father (primarily Islamic countries). Somewhere on the forums there is a case in Egypt where the daughter, who is American and Egyptian (one parent of each nationality) is unable to leave Egypt unless her father authorizes it as her mother is American and did not have custody and the 'girl' is now a woman and still stuck in Egypt.

 I am not saying you should not help fathers, I strongly believe children need both parents like you and I both were fortunate enough to have, but I wanted to make sure you (and others reading these forums) are aware of issues in other countries. I don't have time to look for specific stories now, but I'll try to post links to those posts in a PM to you tomorrow.

PS. I know this is totally off topic so I understand if it gets moved somewhere else.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Bob D'Amico on December 21, 2009, 01:29:35 AM
Quote from: kathne;53255
i guess what i'm saying is that i hope a dad in need gets in touch with me.  i just don't have the heart to help moms, when there is such biased application of the law.  i like love and truth, and so i hope that a dad who loves his kids gets in touch with me.
 
kathleen

Kathleen, write to me at bob.damico@bringseanhome.org and I'll arrange for you to be in touch with other left behind parents.

The Bring Sean Home Foundation supports fathers and mothers whose children have been abducted. While there are too many fathers who have lost their rights to custody or even visitation of their children because of gender bias built in to the domestic family custody laws I personally cannot imagine the depth of pain and heartache a mother endures when her children are kidnapped.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: TomD on December 21, 2009, 01:43:26 AM
Quote from: Bob D'Amico;53242
I agree 100% about Smith and he is assuming that Aronson will be easier but he is dead wrong. What's there to negotiate anyhow, David will allow them to come visit Sean in the US as much as they want.
So Tostes prefers to have a talk with Bernard Aronson who has qualifications in Latin American affairs or with Chris Smith (if Chris Smith will have an "open-hearted" talk).  Then he explains how Sean's case is unique because David was able to get the support of the US government (principally Congressman Smith, and recently Congressman Holt and Senator Lautenberg) and so much public exposure.  Why, if that were not the case it would be a case like any other.  And he doesn't have to say it in words, but he means David got our dirty little secret exposed to the whole world, otherwise, we win this one like all the others.
No, Mr Tostes, you're wrong again.  This case is unique but it exposes the dirty little secret for what it is.  No more business as usual with child abductors finding safe harbor in Brazil.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Shar on December 21, 2009, 02:06:09 AM
Tostes is groveling and scheming at the same time. Every conniving word out of his mouth is beyond infuriating!! :mad2:
 
I can only stand to listen because there's so much promise and hope right now, and those wheels may be up very soon! I pray the kidnappers are ordered to turn Sean over IMMEDIATELY. The 48-hour period has expired. Hopefully, David and Sean can board the first flight out of there, even if they have to take a circuitous route home.
 
To those of you who've been on the BSH site consistently from day one, you are truly amazing human beings!! I'm sure that millions from around the world, especially in Brazil and the U.S., will rejoice when your relentless work brings Sean home (and more children to follow!). :cheer:
 
Happy Holidays to all!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 02:15:20 AM
Good night guys. It's after 2.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: AveryHadleigh on December 21, 2009, 02:26:24 AM
I, obviously, don't post much but I have read the updates on this site virtually daily since I heard about David's case in January. It's beyond heartbreaking to know that Mr. Goldman has been deprived of five years with his son but I'm praying that the decision handed down tomorrow will be one that will reunite him with his boy expeditiously so that they can heal together. No parent who loves and cares about their child should have to fight for the right to love them and raise them. My prayers are going up tonight, as they have every night, for Sean and David.... let tomorrow's decision please be the answer to our prayers that we have so long been wanting. Praying for a positive decision, no stay orders and a smooth handover and transition!
 
Jenny
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: DaFish on December 21, 2009, 03:13:25 AM
Fingers crossed.   See you all tomorrow.
Title: Re: Possibility Sean will be returning next week??
Post by: Bo1 on December 21, 2009, 03:20:47 AM
Quote from: Rio Gringa;53104
Because of the political pressure, there seems to be a small possibility that this judge could issue Sean's immediate return to the US, but from what I understand, the family can still appeal the TRF-2 decision to the STJ. But since the emergency decision is being made in the STF, which is the highest court, maybe there's some way to prevent this.

That's why Mendes decision needs to be the "immediate" return, not granting another 48 hours. And the U.S. consulate and embassy need to be prepared, in conjunction with the brazilian federal police, to get Sean out of there as quickly as possible and in their possession. Maybe today will be the day, I have a lot of faith in Gilmar Mendes. Let's hope that today is the day!!!

On my way to the beach....Sean and David will be included in my prayers.:)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Roberta Palermo on December 21, 2009, 03:28:48 AM
Good for you!! Because I am here, It's 6:00 AM, How can I work today? My husband will tell me the news. I am sure they will say Sean has to go home, but I don't know if the maternal family can ask for something else again and lock Sean here again! This time was Habeas C. and next time??? This is the part that I hate!! Roberta

Roberta Palermo
Family Therapist
http://www.robertapalermo.com.br


Quote from: Feltian;53175
I'm glad my time zone is 6 hours ahead of Rio so when I wake up if the decision has not been announced by then, it will be pretty soon and I will have less moments of being anxious.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Roberta Palermo on December 21, 2009, 03:30:12 AM
By the way...where is the stepfather????



Roberta Palermo
Family Therapist
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Roberta Palermo on December 21, 2009, 04:08:17 AM
Why are you still sleeping?? (because for you,  its time to sleep...) I am wearing a t-shirt with USA flag today! Roberta
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Leah on December 21, 2009, 04:21:04 AM
Hello to all supporters

I have been a lurker for months on this forum, but I have been so engrossed in following the recent developments that I must post! I have not been able to work properly! I am an American living in France with my husband and four year old daughter and we are all rooting for David Goldman to recover his kidnapped son. My husband was so upset by this case when I explained it to him and asks me for updates daily.

From all the articles and reportages I've seen, a lot of them do a "half-assed" job on researching the facts. For example, the average viewer would think David began his court fight when his wife died! etc. etc. I feel like I know more than a lot of the reporters!

For this decision today, what I understand is that if MA's stay is thrown out, the Ribeiros would still have recourse to other options (additional appeals to different levels of court etc), but it might come too late if the judiciary/federal police enforce the newly in force return order? I am glued to my computer for the results!
Does anyone know, could that come in the a.m? Or will we all still be huddled around our laptops at 10 this evening??!!
And last, you are all so wonderful for your support of David!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Bo1 on December 21, 2009, 04:30:45 AM
Quote from: Leah;53274
Hello to all supporters

I have been a lurker for months on this forum, but I have been so engrossed in following the recent developments that I must post! I have not been able to work properly! I am an American living in France with my husband and four year old daughter and we are all rooting for David Goldman to recover his kidnapped son. My husband was so upset by this case when I explained it to him and asks me for updates daily.

From all the articles and reportages I've seen, a lot of them do a "half-assed" job on researching the facts. For example, the average viewer would think David began his court fight when his wife died! etc. etc. I feel like I know more than a lot of the reporters!

For this decision today, what I understand is that if MA's stay is thrown out, the Ribeiros would still have recourse to other options (additional appeals to different levels of court etc), but it might come too late if the judiciary/federal police enforce the newly in force return order? I am glued to my computer for the results!
Does anyone know, could that come in the a.m? Or will we all still be huddled around our laptops at 10 this evening??!!
And last, you are all so wonderful for your support of David!


Welcome to the forum Leah. As far as the timing of the decision that would depend where you are in the world. But here in brazil the decision would come no later than 5 pm brasilia time which is 3 hours before EST in the U.S. or currently -2 hours GMT. I'm expecting the decision to come before noon brasilia time. No reasoning as to why I think this.....I just do. I feel quite sure that both sides are going to be prepared to do whatever they can after the decision is made to try and achieve their objectives. Let's hope and pray that the decision is in favor of David and that the order is immediate and everyone is ready to get Sean out of the Bianchi's residence immediately.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Bo1 on December 21, 2009, 04:42:28 AM
Quote from: Bob D'Amico;53236
I think you are spot on Gail, watch the video on this page, Tostes wants to negotiate with Bernie Aronson who is in DC rather than Chris Smith in Rio

http://www.necn.com/Boston/World/2009/12/20/Lawyer-Everyone-suffering-in/1261357695.html


What a hilarious video. The last few sentences said it all when he said that David's case was "unique" because it got the support of POTUS and Chris Smith, if it hadn't been for that then it would be like "all the other cases". In other words, if it hadn't been for Chris Smith and POTUS Brazil would be able to continue to snub their noses at the Hague Treaty and continue to illegally treat these cases as custody cases and continue to give preference to mothers and/or the brazilian citizen.

I understand he's a hired gun, but one would think that the U.S. gov't. could take some kind of action against people that attempt and defend illegal actions that directly harm the U.S. and it's citizens.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: JamesJosephs on December 21, 2009, 05:29:21 AM
Quote from: gil;53239
And frankly, he doesn't know a thing about Bernie Aronson if he thinks negotiations with him would be any more worthwhile.

Truer words have never been spoken.  For those unfamiliar w/ Mr. Aronson.
 
http://bringseanhome.org/aronson_wsj.html
 
http://chrissmith.house.gov/UploadedFiles/Bernard_Aronson_testimony.pdf
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 05:47:33 AM
Quote from: pedi;53206
so if there is one person on duty tomorrow to decide for sean to go home or to stay in brazil for now, but the rest of the judicial system is in recess till february, would that be the same person who would have to decide on appeals by granny/stepdad? or would that be dealt with in Feb 2010???


No:

- the first instance Courts have a judge on duty (there is a rotation; each day a different judge is on duty);

- TRF-2 has a judge on duty (probably its president; but it could also be a rotation system, I would have to check);

- STJ has its President on duty.

- STF, the Supreme Court, has its President on duty (Gilmar Mendes), and he will decide the writs of mandamus relating to Sean.

So, depending of the manner of Min. Gilmar Mendes' decision, it could be possible for Tostes to still file for a legal remedy before STJ, but then only the president of that Court (Min. Cesar Asfor Rocha) would be avaliable there to grant or deny a stay. (That would be viable, for instance, if Mendes rescinded Marco Aurélio's ruling based solely on the fact that an habeas corpus was not an appropriate remedy. Then Tostes could still seek other remedies).

And, depending of the manner of Gilmar Mendes' ruling, the grant of a stay by STJ will not be possible (after all, STF is the highest court in the land, if it renders an absolute order for Sean's delivery, there is nothing STJ could do).

But I would consider it highly unlikely anyway for the president of a lower Court (STJ) to grant an injunction - even if one would be still technically possible - after the president of the highest court having granted a writ of mandamus to void the ruling of a fellow Supreme Court justice.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: SageDad on December 21, 2009, 06:17:32 AM
Quote from: TomD;53262
So Tostes prefers to have a talk with Bernard Aronson who has qualifications in Latin American affairs or with Chris Smith (if Chris Smith will have an "open-hearted" talk).  Then he explains how Sean's case is unique because David was able to get the support of the US government (principally Congressman Smith, and recently Congressman Holt and Senator Lautenberg) and so much public exposure.  Why, if that were not the case it would be a case like any other.  And he doesn't have to say it in words, but he means David got our dirty little secret exposed to the whole world, otherwise, we win this one like all the others.
No, Mr Tostes, you're wrong again.  This case is unique but it exposes the dirty little secret for what it is.  No more business as usual with child abductors finding safe harbor in Brazil.


Tostes is not completely wrong.  You're missing something critical here.  Just what is the dirty secret -- is it really that Brazil is a judicial quagmire that favors its citizens and mothers in children's issues and does not honor the Hague Convention (a poorly kept secret if ever there was one... unless you read the State Dept's brochure on Brazil that is)..  or is it that parents of kidnapped American children don't normally get any help from the US government?  This case is unique and, while it does expose the systemic judicial issues in Brazil, that is par for the course in Brazil and countries like it.  Tostes is specifically complaining that the US government didn't write David and Sean off the way the've done to so many other parents  and children (including David and Sean prior to Bruna's demise, Dateline and the rise of BSH and Congressman Smith).  Testes thinks it's unfair that David and Sean have been uniquely supported by their country but the reality is it would have been, and was, unfair for them not to be (and also par for the course).  The whole kidnapping cabal in Brazil was counting on the US government's indifference as much as its own government's judicial incompetence.  The last few days shows that the Hague Convention is not without teeth -- at least not for a standing superpower.  The American government has always been able to call for accountability from our treaty partners.  It has been a question of will rather than ability.  Blaiming the wording of the Hague Convention has always been a red herring to avoid a discussion of our unwillingness to spend political capital on this issue.
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 06:19:11 AM
We are not done...Sean is just the first ( today I pray)...there are many others on this site and across the Country that need our support..ALL THE CHILDREN MUST COME HOME!

Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Chuckles on December 21, 2009, 06:23:18 AM
I think that's exactly right Carlos.  And it's exactly why this issue doesn't end with Sean's return.  I'm very much hoping that this is the proverbial waking of the sleeping giant.

The way I look at it is, when Sean is returned, we can go to the legislators and gummint types and say "didn't that feel good?  you got it right!  let's keep pressing on..."  and help the rest of you folks who have been living this same nightmare.

That's my plan anyway.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: ChristineS on December 21, 2009, 06:31:13 AM
Spot on Carlos, and the perfect argument in support of Bernie Aronson's testimony, asking that a specific Ambassador-at-Large be appointed to help parents like you. There is no way other countries are going to continue to get away with the HC treaty violations after Sean comes home.
David has become the 'poster-parent' and suffering all of his pain in the public eye, in order for ths enormous cause to be brought to attention. Action will be taken in spades in the coming months and years. Time is the enemy in all of these cases, but the injustice of David's nightmare is going to help other victims immensely.  I pray Sage is one of the very next children to come home.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: JamesJosephs on December 21, 2009, 06:33:07 AM
Quote from: carlos;53289
Tostes is not completely wrong. You're missing something critical here. Just what is the dirty secret -- is it really that Brazil is a judicial quagmire that favors its citizens and mothers in children's issues and does not honor the Hague Convention (a poorly kept secret if ever there was one... unless you read the State Dept's brochure on Brazil that is).. or is it that parents of kidnapped American children don't normally get any help from the US government? This case is unique and, while it does expose the systemic judicial issues in Brazil, that is par for the course in Brazil and countries like it. Tostes is specifically complaining that the US government didn't write David and Sean off the way the've done to so many other parents and children (including David and Sean prior to Bruna's demise, Dateline and the rise of BSH and Congressman Smith). Testes thinks it's unfair that David and Sean have been uniquely supported by their country but the reality is it would have been, and was, unfair for them not to be (and also par for the course). The whole kidnapping cabal in Brazil was counting on the US government's indifference as much as its own government's judicial incompetence. The last few days shows that the Hague Convention is not without teeth -- at least not for a standing superpower. The American government has always been able to call for accountability from our treaty partners. It has been a question of will rather than ability. Blaiming the wording of the Hague Convention has always been a red herring to avoid a discussion of our unwillingness to spend political capital on this issue.

Very well said.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 06:58:35 AM
Quote from: carlos;53289
Tostes is not completely wrong. You're missing something critical here. Just what is the dirty secret -- is it really that Brazil is a judicial quagmire that favors its citizens and mothers in children's issues and does not honor the Hague Convention (a poorly kept secret if ever there was one... unless you read the State Dept's brochure on Brazil that is).. or is it that parents of kidnapped American children don't normally get any help from the US government? This case is unique and, while it does expose the systemic judicial issues in Brazil, that is par for the course in Brazil and countries like it. Tostes is specifically complaining that the US government didn't write David and Sean off the way the've done to so many other parents and children (including David and Sean prior to Bruna's demise, Dateline and the rise of BSH and Congressman Smith). Testes thinks it's unfair that David and Sean have been uniquely supported by their country but the reality is it would have been, and was, unfair for them not to be (and also par for the course). The whole kidnapping cabal in Brazil was counting on the US government's indifference as much as its own government's judicial incompetence. The last few days shows that the Hague Convention is not without teeth -- at least not for a standing superpower. The American government has always been able to call for accountability from our treaty partners. It has been a question of will rather than ability. Blaiming the wording of the Hague Convention has always been a red herring to avoid a discussion of our unwillingness to spend political capital on this issue.

wow......VERY well said Carlos............
 
and I agree w. Tom D's post as well..........
 
What I don't understand is why Toastes thinks he can just call a time out and start "negotiating" when things don't go his way.........
 
Furthermore, he may think this case is "unique" now because the government backed Dave.  But wait until this case is over and the government passses a combination of 2702, 3487, and 3240 and it becomes the NORM..........
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Jackie in Upstate NY on December 21, 2009, 07:15:27 AM
Quote from: LDJVR;53194
Can't understand why any member of the Brazilian judiciary would want to let a crusty old lady drive the whole system to a shameful grave??
NO KIDDING - PRETTY AMAZING,  ISN'T IT ????
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Leah on December 21, 2009, 07:26:24 AM
Quote from: carlos;53289
Tostes is not completely wrong.  You're missing something critical here.  Just what is the dirty secret -- is it really that Brazil is a judicial quagmire that favors its citizens and mothers in children's issues and does not honor the Hague Convention (a poorly kept secret if ever there was one... unless you read the State Dept's brochure on Brazil that is)..  or is it that parents of kidnapped American children don't normally get any help from the US government?  This case is unique and, while it does expose the systemic judicial issues in Brazil, that is par for the course in Brazil and countries like it.  Tostes is specifically complaining that the US government didn't write David and Sean off the way the've done to so many other parents  and children (including David and Sean prior to Bruna's demise, Dateline and the rise of BSH and Congressman Smith).  Testes thinks it's unfair that David and Sean have been uniquely supported by their country but the reality is it would have been, and was, unfair for them not to be (and also par for the course).  The whole kidnapping cabal in Brazil was counting on the US government's indifference as much as its own government's judicial incompetence.  The last few days shows that the Hague Convention is not without teeth -- at least not for a standing superpower.  The American government has always been able to call for accountability from our treaty partners.  It has been a question of will rather than ability.  Blaiming the wording of the Hague Convention has always been a red herring to avoid a discussion of our unwillingness to spend political capital on this issue.

OMG, so true!
Bravo to you for putting it so succinctly and eloquently. Thank God there are so many thoughtful people here who are so on the money.

Adding: I just realized you are also an LBP. My heart goes out to you.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 07:27:58 AM
Quote from: mvieira;53248
Hey, maybe this Monday I'll have a good reason to believe my native country -- Brazil -- actually has a bright future.  I don't care about Olympics or World Cups, all I really, really want is common-sense justice.  If that lone judge makes that happen today, I'll go home earlier and drink a nice cold beer in David & Sean's honor.  It will be, to me, the best story of 2009!
Not so fast. There are 65 children, plus their parent, waiting for justice. We all know how in Brazil we like to toast and celebrate ourselves for doing just a little bit. Any excuse to self congratulate is a good. But in this case, many other lives are still on the line and we owe them to hold on letting ourselves off the hook fast, as is so often the case.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 07:41:27 AM
Carlos is right on the mark. Very well said.

Let's not forget that Tostes is far from unique in the local fauna. There are many Tostes down there and some of them will try to keep the other children there forever.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 07:42:31 AM
Carlos is right on the mark. Very well said.

Let's not forget that Tostes is far from unique in the local fauna. There are many Tostes down there and some of them will try to keep the other children there forever.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: M.Capestro on December 21, 2009, 08:15:31 AM
Quote from: jl2saint;53300
wow......VERY well said Carlos............
 
and I agree w. Tom D's post as well..........
 
What I don't understand is why Toastes thinks he can just call a time out and start "negotiating" when things don't go his way.........
 
Furthermore, he may think this case is "unique" now because the government backed Dave. But wait until this case is over and the government passses a combination of 2702, 3487, and 3240 and it becomes the NORM..........

Off topic, I know, but...
 
JL - Are you feeling alright this morning? This is the first time I can remember ever seeing you post without using your signature bold italicized text!! ;)
 
Back on topic...
DITTO THAT! Well said, Carlos & TomD!
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: five4me on December 21, 2009, 08:42:48 AM
Quote from: Herb Wife;53290
We are not done...Sean is just the first ( today I pray)...there are many others on this site and across the Country that need our support..ALL THE CHILDREN MUST COME HOME!


:yeahthat:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 08:49:59 AM
The italics went a number of posts ago. Thank you JL.

Here is a headline I want to see in tomorrows local papers:

Gilmar perde a paciência e acaba com a pouca vergonha.
Decide imediata entrega do garoto ao pai. Menino chega esta manhã aos EUA.

Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: pinkbassist on December 21, 2009, 09:07:12 AM
Quote from: AveryHadleigh;53266
I, obviously, don't post much but I have read the updates on this site virtually daily since I heard about David's case in January. It's beyond heartbreaking to know that Mr. Goldman has been deprived of five years with his son but I'm praying that the decision handed down tomorrow will be one that will reunite him with his boy expeditiously so that they can heal together. No parent who loves and cares about their child should have to fight for the right to love them and raise them. My prayers are going up tonight, as they have every night, for Sean and David.... let tomorrow's decision please be the answer to our prayers that we have so long been wanting. Praying for a positive decision, no stay orders and a smooth handover and transition!
 
Jenny

I believe this time the support David has finally received through all the hard work from everyone involved has made the difference to put the pressure on to make him get HIS SON Sean back! It will be so thrilling to see this happen. This has to continue to bring home all the rest of the children in the same circumstances, and to prevent this from ever happening again.
I hope, given the situation that Sean is living in, that when the decision is ordered for Sean to be handed over to the US Embassy - whether it be in 48 hrs or even sooner, that no one be so naive or trusting to think that Sean's safety should not be taken into account EVERY minute until he is back into David's arms. There is always the specter of another abduction, and with the strange and desperate behaviour of the Brazilian family - including the abuse they have already subjected Sean to as qualified by the psychologists - domestic abuse is always a possibility. Is there any form of child services that could be placed in the home to watch over Sean 24hrs/day until he is physically handed over to his father?
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 21, 2009, 09:15:04 AM
Sending out 10,000 emails and ya done GOOD Bob!!
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 09:35:31 AM
~ any idea on when we might get some word from Brazil?~
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 09:48:18 AM
Quote from: Bob D'Amico;53236
I think you are spot on Gail, watch the video on this page, Tostes wants to negotiate with Bernie Aronson who is in DC rather than Chris Smith in Rio
 
http://www.necn.com/Boston/World/2009/12/20/Lawyer-Everyone-suffering-in/1261357695.html
There is no negotiating with either one of them.  I know this guy is just doing his job, but come on!   David is the only parent!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Ginstar on December 21, 2009, 09:49:31 AM
Does anyone know what time the decision will be handed down?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 09:53:58 AM
Quote from: Ginstar;53365
Does anyone know what time the decision will be handed down?

No, there is no set or scheduled time.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: zipbags on December 21, 2009, 09:57:05 AM
I am a bit confused by what can happen today and who is making this decision?  Also, is this a big thing that this justice is making a decision being that the Supreme Court is in recess??
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Ginstar on December 21, 2009, 09:57:10 AM
Quote from: Caldwell;53369
No, there is no set or scheduled time.

Thanks-am in Australia , its 11pm and struggling to stay awake- oh well will have to wait till morning- I ll be praying in my sleep!
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 09:58:14 AM
Quote from: Herb Wife;53360
~ any idea on when we might get some word from Brazil?~


If I was GM, I would make sure that everything is set and everyone is in their starting  block when the ruling comes down. So all David will have to do is take Sean, both passports and tickets in hand, and head to the airport.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 09:58:58 AM
~ guess I can head to open store soon then...afraid to leave computer!~
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 10:02:43 AM
I have not seen anything in media as to "exit strategy" but I am 100% certain Rep Chris Smith & all others have one ready.  Brazil knows the world is watching
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: Leah on December 21, 2009, 10:04:03 AM
Quote from: Audax;53376
If I was GM, I would make sure that everything is set and everyone is in their starting  block when the ruling comes down. So all David will have to do is take Sean, both passports and tickets in hand, and head to the airport.


Does he have a passport for Sean? Thought it wasn't possible to get one without the minor child being present? Perhaps the Consulate in Rio will super expedite a US passport for him? I'm wondering if the Brazilian family will just surrender all the documents they have for Sean to make things easier for David to get out of the country (I'm thinking NOT).
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 10:05:50 AM
Quote from: Audax;53376
If I was GM, I would make sure that everything is set and everyone is in their starting  block when the ruling comes down. So all David will have to do is take Sean, both passports and tickets in hand, and head to the airport.

:yeahthat:

It really should be well orchestrated to avoid a media frenzy.  I really hope (but my hopes are slim) that Gramma Evil does not turn this into a forced removal. How traumatic and unnecessary that would be for Sean.  And, to repeat something from earlier (just to fill the time!), where the heck has JPLS been lately?  It's become Gramma's case, which we know is because she's really the one raising Sean, but from the legal perspective, JPLS is the "stakeholder" (not).  I really don't think he wants Sean at all, I think he wants to be rid of this deal, and the only thing he might want is to "win", since that's what they like to do, WIN. I bet he's in therapy twice a week trying to rid himself of the guilt he feels---NOT over kidnapping Sean, but over NOT WANTING to keep him!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 10:08:28 AM
Quote from: lbl;53374
I would expect around 5-6 PM ET (only my guess)
That would be 7-8 PM there. It would have to be before that. Probably very soon.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 10:08:51 AM
Quote from: Bob D'Amico;53236
I think you are spot on Gail, watch the video on this page, Tostes wants to negotiate with Bernie Aronson who is in DC rather than Chris Smith in Rio
 
http://www.necn.com/Boston/World/2009/12/20/Lawyer-Everyone-suffering-in/1261357695.html

 
From this video it is very clear to me that Lula or someone close to him has slapped Testies in the head and told him to stop this nightmare fight!  He must be just writhing to have to admit that they have lost (although not in so many words) ...but to have the unmitigated GALL to sit there and speak about Seans suffering when he and that horrid family are the ones who have done it to him makes me want to :barf:
 
That special place in hell where Granny will be has a very special spot right next to her for Testies!! :madgo::madgo::madgo:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 10:10:14 AM
Quote from: BrazilianForJustice;53385
That would be 7-8 PM there. It would have to be before that. Probably very soon.

~ just when you thought it was safe to leave computer!~
:nixweiss::conf:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: :: ultranol :: on December 21, 2009, 10:13:32 AM
I would advise everyone to stick to Twitter. Last time the first news came out from there. For the non-speakers of Portuguese, anything like "Sean fica" or "Sean permanece" (Sean stays) is bad, and "mandado acatado" (order accepted) is good :)
 
I'll stay here and will post if anything comes from there.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 10:16:48 AM
Quote from: :: ultranol ::;53389
I would advise everyone to stick to Twitter. Last time the first news came out from there. For the non-speakers of Portuguese, anything like "Sean fica" or "Sean permanece" (Sean stays) is bad, and "mandado acatado" (order accepted) is good :)
 
I'll stay here and will post if anything comes from there.

 
The non-Twitter-ers thank you!!  (Yes there are some of us out here.....)
 
:D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: SWEET72 on December 21, 2009, 10:19:03 AM
Who should we be following on Twitter to get the news?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tnajk on December 21, 2009, 10:21:20 AM
http://twitter.com/STF_oficial
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 10:23:30 AM
Tomorrow???

I hope this journalist is off on the days.

http://www.kake.com/news/headlines/79818762.html
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: Leah;53380
Does he have a passport for Sean? Thought it wasn't possible to get one without the minor child being present? Perhaps the Consulate in Rio will super expedite a US passport for him? I'm wondering if the Brazilian family will just surrender all the documents they have for Sean to make things easier for David to get out of the country (I'm thinking NOT).


Lordy - I did not think about that.  OMG - I am a nervous wreck.  I am sure that those details are being taken care of by the US Embassy.  I need a drink.....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Sandra on December 21, 2009, 10:28:02 AM
Quote from: lbl;53396
Do u know the twitter extension for STF? Obrigado

http://twitter.com/STF_oficial


I'm glued on it!
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: SageDad on December 21, 2009, 10:28:45 AM
Quote from: Leah;53380
Does he have a passport for Sean? Thought it wasn't possible to get one without the minor child being present? Perhaps the Consulate in Rio will super expedite a US passport for him? I'm wondering if the Brazilian family will just surrender all the documents they have for Sean to make things easier for David to get out of the country (I'm thinking NOT).


That's another area where State and the US Embassy kind of make up the rules as they go.  Normally they won't issue a passport for a child without a valid return order being issued and the child and parent being present at the US Embassy (either that or the permission of the kidnapper aka Jao Paulo).  Too much attention here though.  I'm pretty sure they have a passport made for Sean already so that they can get out of the country quickly before some other order comes down saying he has to stay again.  Any normal parent would run the serious risk of having their return order suspended while jumping through the State Dept's hoops but I don't think we need to worry about that here.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 10:29:33 AM
Quote from: Sandra;53403
http://twitter.com/STF_oficial


I'm glued on it!


WHAT???  OMG - TELL ME TELL ME!
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 10:31:25 AM
Quote from: carlos;53404
That's another area where State and the US Embassy kind of make up the rules as they go. Normally they won't issue a passport for a child without a valid return order being issued and the child and parent being present at the US Embassy (either that or the permission of the kidnapper aka Jao Paulo). Too much attention here though. I'm pretty sure they have a passport made for Sean already so that they can get out of the country quickly before some other order comes down saying he has to stay again. Any normal parent would run the serious risk of having their return order suspended while jumping through the State Dept's hoops but I don't think we need to worry about that here.

Chris Smith would get Sean home if the courts order it.....I'd stake my life on that............
 
Have I said "I love C Smith" today????????????
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: Leah on December 21, 2009, 10:34:05 AM
Quote from: carlos;53404
That's another area where State and the US Embassy kind of make up the rules as they go.  Normally they won't issue a passport for a child without a valid return order being issued and the child and parent being present at the US Embassy (either that or the permission of the kidnapper aka Jao Paulo).  Too much attention here though.  I'm pretty sure they have a passport made for Sean already so that they can get out of the country quickly before some other order comes down saying he has to stay again.  Any normal parent would run the serious risk of having their return order suspended while jumping through the State Dept's hoops but I don't think we need to worry about that here.


Great. I'm sure that's the case. Now, they just need to add provisions to the Hague Convention or wherever appropriate to allow LBPs recovering their children with a valid court order to get passports for the minor children in a matter of hours. I think we've all seen that hours and minutes count in these cases. At any rate, there should be safeguards to protect against stranded parents.
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: Leah on December 21, 2009, 10:36:54 AM
:)
Quote from: jl2saint;53407
Chris Smith would get Sean home if the courts order it.....I'd stake my life on that............
 
Have I said "I love C Smith" today????????????


Amen. I've never voted for a Republican before (oops, politics creeping in...) but this guy is a peach.:)
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 10:40:50 AM
Quote from: Leah;53410
:)

Amen. I've never voted for a Republican before (oops, politics creeping in...) but this guy is a peach.:)
Smith-Lautenberg 2012 !!!
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 10:43:55 AM
Quote from: BrazilianForJustice;53411
Smith-Lautenberg 2012 !!!

:yeahthat:  :yeahthat:  :yeahthat:
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: heatheram29 on December 21, 2009, 10:44:15 AM
Quote from: Leah;53410
:)
 
Amen. I've never voted for a Republican before (oops, politics creeping in...) but this guy is a peach.:)

I've voted for Republicans before, although I'm not sure why.. LOL
 
I'm elated that he's in my district, because I can give him my vote. I don't agree with some of his politics, but as a humanitarian he's blown me away. Actions speak louder than words anyway.
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 10:44:23 AM
BTW, 300 people online !
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: vivienne on December 21, 2009, 10:48:27 AM
Hoping for a good outcome for David and Sean today! God bless them!
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: LukieD on December 21, 2009, 10:49:46 AM
Quote from: BrazilianForJustice;53415
BTW, 300 people online !

404 now.
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 10:50:31 AM
Quote from: Leah;53410
:)
 
Amen. I've never voted for a Republican before (oops, politics creeping in...) but this guy is a peach.:)

I "usually" vote Republican....I knew I was right all along......lmao.....
 
Sorry, just nervous so thought I'd try to be funny......
 
Today could be the day folks....I feel it in my bones....;)
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: Mom25 on December 21, 2009, 10:50:43 AM
Quote from: momof3inPA;53413
:yeahthat:  :yeahthat:  :yeahthat:


:cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer:
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: Mom25 on December 21, 2009, 10:51:45 AM
Quote from: momof3inPA;53413
:yeahthat:  :yeahthat:  :yeahthat:

Smith-Lautenberg 2012 !!!

:cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer::
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 10:51:46 AM
Quote from: carlos;53404
That's another area where State and the US Embassy kind of make up the rules as they go. Normally they won't issue a passport for a child without a valid return order being issued and the child and parent being present at the US Embassy (either that or the permission of the kidnapper aka Jao Paulo). Too much attention here though. I'm pretty sure they have a passport made for Sean already so that they can get out of the country quickly before some other order comes down saying he has to stay again. Any normal parent would run the serious risk of having their return order suspended while jumping through the State Dept's hoops but I don't think we need to worry about that here.

I'm sure you are correct Carlos...now if we could just make the big wigs involved here realize that there are many other children in this situation!
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: tdmiller on December 21, 2009, 10:54:20 AM
So grateful for a snow day today!  I do believe in miracles, and today is a good day for one!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 10:54:24 AM
Quote from: Sandra;53403
http://twitter.com/STF_oficial
 
 I'm glued on it!

 
I've never before wished so hard that I could read Portugese!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 10:54:40 AM
Silvana Bianchi, by her lawyers lodged a petition adressed to the files of the writs of mandamus in which the AGU and David are plaintiffs. She asks to have access to the files (this is usually for a period of five days - the lawyer then takes the file to his law firm to study it, and then returns it after the period assigned).
 
No word yet on whether President Mendes will grant or deny the request for access to the files. He may also decide the case without examining this petition:
 
DataAndamentoÓrgão JulgadorObservaçãoDocumento
21/12/2009 Petição 143754/2009 - 21/12/2009 - SILVANA BIANCHI CARNEIRO RIBEIRO - REQUER VISTA DOS AUTOS.  
 
18/12/2009 Conclusos ao(à) Relator(a)
 
18/12/2009 Conexão com o Processo nº MS28524  
 
18/12/2009 Distribuído MIN. CEZAR PELUSO  
 
18/12/2009 Autuado

 
In the mean while, it does not appear that the file itself has been sent to any chambers, but this could be due to a delay in the website being updated:
 
GuiaOrigemDestinoData de RemessaData de Recebimento
3715/2009COSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAOSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
17327/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOCOSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAO18/12/200918/12/2009
10305/2009SEÇÃO DE RECEBIMENTO E AUTUAÇÃO DE PROCESSOSSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009

A line on top should be added to indicate that the files left the "seção de prevenção e distribuição" and entered Gilmar Mendes's chambers.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 10:56:05 AM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53426
Silvana Bianchi, by her lawyers lodged a petition adressed to the files of the writs of mandamus in which the AGU and David are plaintiffs. She asks to have access to the files (this is usually for a period of five days - the lawyer then takes the file to his law firm to study it, and then returns it after the period assigned).
 
No word yet on whether President Mendes will grant or deny the request for access to the files. He may also decide the case without examining this petition:
 
DataAndamentoÓrgão JulgadorObservaçãoDocumento
21/12/2009 Petição 143754/2009 - 21/12/2009 - SILVANA BIANCHI CARNEIRO RIBEIRO - REQUER VISTA DOS AUTOS.
 

18/12/2009 Conclusos ao(à) Relator(a)
 

18/12/2009 Conexão com o Processo nº MS28524
 

18/12/2009 Distribuído MIN. CEZAR PELUSO
 

18/12/2009 Autuado

 
In the mean while, it does not appear that the file itself has been sent to any chambers, but this could be due to a delay in the website being updated:
 
GuiaOrigemDestinoData de RemessaData de Recebimento
3715/2009COSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAOSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
17327/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOCOSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAO18/12/200918/12/2009
10305/2009SEÇÃO DE RECEBIMENTO E AUTUAÇÃO DE PROCESSOSSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009

A line on top should be added to indicate that the files left the "seção de prevenção e distribuição" and entered Gilmar Mendes's chambers.
This lady is RELENTLESS! Another stall tactic. Give it up Cruella! Your days as a kidnapper are OVER!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 10:56:27 AM
Why keep pushing?  They know in the end they will lose, so why?  Why do this to Sean?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 10:57:02 AM
Quote from: momof3inPA;53425
I've never before wished so hard that I could read Portugese!!!
Try this link...its translated to english
 
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://twitter.com/STF_Oficial&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://twitter.com/STF_oficial%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7CPMA_en&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhhYrUo_ibie2vugUAXaOqkJF9SycQ
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 10:57:29 AM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53426
Silvana Bianchi, by her lawyers lodged a petition adressed to the files of the writs of mandamus in which the AGU and David are plaintiffs. She asks to have access to the files (this is usually for a period of five days - the lawyer then takes the file to his law firm to study it, and then returns it after the period assigned).
 
No word yet on whether President Mendes will grant or deny the request for access to the files. He may also decide the case without examining this petition:
 
DataAndamentoÓrgão JulgadorObservaçãoDocumento
21/12/2009 Petição 143754/2009 - 21/12/2009 - SILVANA BIANCHI CARNEIRO RIBEIRO - REQUER VISTA DOS AUTOS.
 

18/12/2009 Conclusos ao(à) Relator(a)
 

18/12/2009 Conexão com o Processo nº MS28524
 

18/12/2009 Distribuído MIN. CEZAR PELUSO
 

18/12/2009 Autuado

 
In the mean while, it does not appear that the file itself has been sent to any chambers, but this could be due to a delay in the website being updated:
 
GuiaOrigemDestinoData de RemessaData de Recebimento
3715/2009COSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAOSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
17327/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOCOSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAO18/12/200918/12/2009
10305/2009SEÇÃO DE RECEBIMENTO E AUTUAÇÃO DE PROCESSOSSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009

A line on top should be added to indicate that the files left the "seção de prevenção e distribuição" and entered Gilmar Mendes's chambers.

So much for "laying down their guns" and "negotiating"?!?!? Can they not see what utter ASSES they are?!?!  UN-BELEIVABLE!  The blatant crap that Tostes is spewing is in total and absolute conflict with his actions!!!  
 
Can't they see?!?!?!   Here..I will help them....GIVE UP!!! YOU HAVE LOST!! SEND SEAN HOME NOW!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 21, 2009, 10:58:35 AM
I'm hoping the powers that be are getting as annoyed at her antics as they should be. She'll keep them hopping as long as possible and I'm sure there is a PILE of paperwork just waiting to be served in rapid progression from her.
 
CUT THIS WITCH OFF ALREADY!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: JonathanR on December 21, 2009, 10:59:55 AM
Quote from: Teena;53429
This lady is RELENTLESS! Another stall tactic. Give it up Cruella! Your days as a kidnapper are OVER!

 
Wait, is she trying to impede Mendes' decision?!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 11:01:31 AM
Quote from: JonathanR;53436
Wait, is she trying to impede Mendes' decision?!!!
From what I understand (correct me if Im wrong)...she is requesting 5 days for her attorney to review her files. that will keep Sean in Brazil for xmas. She sucks!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Sarita on December 21, 2009, 11:01:51 AM
Quote from: JonathanR;53436
Wait, is she trying to impede Mendes' decision?!!!

looks like it... appears she wants a few days to ... ahem... examine the case file...  [yeah]...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 11:03:12 AM
Quote from: JonathanR;53436
Wait, is she trying to impede Mendes' decision?!!!

yes!  It's basically a last ditch attempt to keep Sean there for Christmas...to have one last Christmas with him and to have one last stab at David.  She is Evil and THE MOST SELFISH....geez..i want to say person but I'm not sure she qualifies...on the planet. I have never seen anyone so blatantly put their own needs above those of a child that they are supposed to care about.  IT"S SICK!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 11:05:06 AM
Let's all hope that this will not work!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: ENR on December 21, 2009, 11:06:31 AM
Cruella has had so many breaks.  Her nine lives are up and it is time all this non-sense comes to an end and the Brazilian government does the right thing and returns Sean to his father before the holiday.  Giving these people any more breaks is dangerous and I think everybody knows that by now.  Hurry up and let David and Sean begin to heal as father and son.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lexi on December 21, 2009, 11:07:15 AM
Well Mendes has two (presumably extensive) writs to review, decide on and write a decision on in one day. So it's questionable whether he will have time to review Silvana's latest appeal (aka stall tactic as we all know). Tough luck for Nonna.
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 11:08:48 AM
Quote from: tdmiller;53424
So grateful for a snow day today!  I do believe in miracles, and today is a good day for one!


Cautious optimism folks......Silvana wants 'time' to review the AGU filing.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: ProudDaddy on December 21, 2009, 11:09:36 AM
Quote from: Wendy;53439
yes!  It's basically a last ditch attempt to keep Sean there for Christmas...to have one last Christmas with him and to have one last stab at David.  She is Evil and THE MOST SELFISH....geez..i want to say person but I'm not sure she qualifies...on the planet. I have never seen anyone so blatantly put their own needs above those of a child that they are supposed to care about.  IT"S SICK!!!
I wouldn't be  surprised if she manages to get it. STF may well rule "they boy must go, no  more appeals... but only after Christmas". This is why I think she invited David  to stay for the Xmas dinner.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 11:09:39 AM
Quote from: lisacallenwood;53434
I'm hoping the powers that be are getting as annoyed at her antics as they should be. She'll keep them hopping as long as possible and I'm sure there is a PILE of paperwork just waiting to be served in rapid progression from her.
 
CUT THIS WITCH OFF ALREADY!!!

Toastes promised legal warfare.......
 
Here is the 1st grenade ...........
 
Hopefully the judge or judges see this for what it is...........
 
And hopefully the embarrassment from this case and it's publicity will weigh into their decision..........
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 11:09:51 AM
Quote from: Lexi;53444
Well Mendes has two (presumable extensive) writs to review, decide on and write in one day. So it's questionable whether he will have time to review Silvana's latest appeal (aka stall tactic as we all know). Tough luck for Nonna.
And this wouldn't be considered an emergency, would it?  So he could just ignore this until after the break.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 11:10:24 AM
Quote from: Lexi;53444
Well Mendes has two (presumably extensive) writs to review, decide on and write a decision on in one day. So it's questionable whether he will have time to review Silvana's latest appeal (aka stall tactic as we all know). Tough luck for Nonna.

Lexi I SERIOUSLY hope you are right!! All crossables crossed!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tenorplus on December 21, 2009, 11:10:48 AM
Quote from: carlos;53289
Tostes is not completely wrong. You're missing something critical here. Just what is the dirty secret -- is it really that Brazil is a judicial quagmire that favors its citizens and mothers in children's issues and does not honor the Hague Convention (a poorly kept secret if ever there was one... unless you read the State Dept's brochure on Brazil that is).. or is it that parents of kidnapped American children don't normally get any help from the US government? This case is unique and, while it does expose the systemic judicial issues in Brazil, that is par for the course in Brazil and countries like it. Tostes is specifically complaining that the US government didn't write David and Sean off the way the've done to so many other parents and children (including David and Sean prior to Bruna's demise, Dateline and the rise of BSH and Congressman Smith). Testes thinks it's unfair that David and Sean have been uniquely supported by their country but the reality is it would have been, and was, unfair for them not to be (and also par for the course). The whole kidnapping cabal in Brazil was counting on the US government's indifference as much as its own government's judicial incompetence. The last few days shows that the Hague Convention is not without teeth -- at least not for a standing superpower. The American government has always been able to call for accountability from our treaty partners. It has been a question of will rather than ability. Blaiming the wording of the Hague Convention has always been a red herring to avoid a discussion of our unwillingness to spend political capital on this issue.

Very well stated Carlos!!! And I/we also pray for the return of your child, along with all of the others (internationally). Hopefully, this will become a more-vital issue in 2010 and help you, Tim, etc.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 11:12:17 AM
Quote from: ProudDaddy;53446
I wouldn't be surprised if she manages to get it. STF may well rule "they boy must go, no more appeals... but only after Christmas". This is why I think she invited David to stay for the Xmas dinner.

I hope and think you are wrong.............
 
If they do, the media and politicians are going to crucify them.............
 
We'll make sure of it if they don't do it on their own...........
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: ferg4513 on December 21, 2009, 11:13:07 AM
today will be the day-
I just hope that Sean can be shielded from the media as much as possible during the transition-
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 11:16:18 AM
Quote from: Teena;53432
Try this link...its translated to english
 
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://twitter.com/STF_Oficial&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://twitter.com/STF_oficial%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7CPMA_en&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhhYrUo_ibie2vugUAXaOqkJF9SycQ
Just note that Google translates 'caso Goldman' for 'If Goldman', instead of 'Goldman case'.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 11:18:10 AM
The file has now been sent to the chambers of Vice-President Peluso, the original rapporteur. It is unclear why the file hasn't been sent directly to the chambers of President Mendes, since the presidency is on duty and even STF twitter service has confirmed that Mendes will be the one issuing a decision today.
 
The first line in the table below shows that the file has been sent to Peluso's chambers today, but there no date in the last column (that indicates actual receipt of the file).
 
GuiaOrigemDestinoData de RemessaData de Recebimento
17352/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOGABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSO21/12/2009
3715/2009COSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAOSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
17327/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOCOSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAO18/12/200918/12/2009
10305/2009SEÇÃO DE RECEBIMENTO E AUTUAÇÃO DE PROCESSOSSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: Bree on December 21, 2009, 11:18:21 AM
Quote from: Mom25;53421
Smith-Lautenberg 2012 !!!
 
:cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer::

:cheer: I would vote for that!  :cheer:
 
JL - I'm with you...I usually vote Rep too.
 
Quote from: lovellboys;53445
Cautious optimism folks......Silvana wants 'time' to review the AGU filing.

Well, tell her to break out her reading glasses....it's there for her to read and it's only 25 pages.  What's the hold up, Silvana. :nixweiss: Do what is right for Sean for the first time in your life and let him spend Christmas in New Jersey with HIS DAD!
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: Jackie in Upstate NY on December 21, 2009, 11:19:05 AM
NERVOUSLY WAITING and WATCHING !!!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 11:21:47 AM
Does that mean he will look at this in February?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tenorplus on December 21, 2009, 11:22:54 AM
First - granny needs to be stopped NOW!
 
Second - Sean needs to be afforded protection (regardless) by the Federal Police and ready to be taken as soon as Mendes makes a ruling (presuming the positive - for which we have worked and continue to pray!!)
 
Third - MA, Toasty, and granny (with JPLS, etc.) need to be judge forthwith as the criminals they have proven to be since the beginning of this terrible and spiteful abduction... lock them up... throw away the key... and maybe the whole Brazilian justice system can start to clean up its act and move forward as an even greater nation.
 
Fourth - anymore delays... Congress (plus SOS and POTUS) continue to stop more and more "aid" bills and hit "where it hurts"!
 
David and Sean - I/we are ALL PRAYING FOR YOU and trust this comes to an end soon, so you can begin your new life together... heal... bond... appreciate... love! And know you will continue to have our prayerful support always!!
 
Bye the way - does anyone know what happend to Grandpa (in Brazil) - or has Cruella rendered him totall impotent (in all ways)? He seems to be very quiet on the whole thing... time he got hold of granny and dealt some reality to her!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 11:24:06 AM
Quote from: gail;53459
Does that mean he will look at this in February?

No. Twitter said it will be today, so we must assume it will be today.
 
Let's keep watching the developments.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 11:26:07 AM
It will be today and I believe it will be positive.
 
I hope when they are reunited, this paves the way for other parents to have their kidnapped children brought home, too...
 
Hearthbreaking
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 11:27:23 AM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53463
No. Twitter said it will be today, so we must assume it will be today.
 
Let's keep watching the developments.
This is getting to be so ridiculous.  I hope they put an end to this today.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: zipbags on December 21, 2009, 11:29:20 AM
I asked earlier.  But, it might have gotten lost.  Is this a big thing that the STJ president is even ruling on this today?  Aren't they on recess??
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 11:30:16 AM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53463
No. Twitter said it will be today, so we must assume it will be today.
 
Let's keep watching the developments.

the waiting is torturous! I feel so bad for David and his family right now.  To come so close and to have these stall tactics still coming up in spite of those evil people saying they are laying down their weapons...whatever!!  
 
PLEASE let it be today!!!  December 21st...a day I will NEVER forget!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: merapi on December 21, 2009, 11:32:04 AM
CBS is reporting that Mendes will not decide on his own...to wait until February...pls don't let that be true.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/21/world/main6005329.shtml
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: tenorplus on December 21, 2009, 11:32:57 AM
Quote from: BrazilianForJustice;53411
Smith-Lautenberg 2012 !!!
Now - there's a refreshing idea! HURRAY for CHRIS SMITH... one of the few [politicians] that cares and puts his words into actions!!!! :yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 11:33:55 AM
Quote from: merapi;53473
CBS is reporting that Mendes will not decide on his own...to wait until February...pls don't let that be true.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/21/world/main6005329.shtml


Guys - we knew this was a long shot.  I believe this means David will come home alone - again.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 11:35:32 AM
This is disgraceful beyond words.  It is not even a court case!  The Hague eleminates this!!  These people have no shame!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: dsturnerjr on December 21, 2009, 11:37:00 AM
Quote from: lovellboys;53475
Guys - we knew this was a long shot.  I believe this means David will come home alone - again.

Another Brazilian "Justice" with absolutely no guts or conscience.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Bill33 on December 21, 2009, 11:37:35 AM
I hope CBS has that wrong :mad2:  Congress needs to declare that it needs to wait 6 months to decide on a new trade bill with Brazil and other non compliant countries.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 11:39:10 AM
Theyre saying it will wait until February, this makes me sick
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/21/world/main6005329.shtml
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: :: ultranol :: on December 21, 2009, 11:39:11 AM
Quote from: Bill33;53480
I hope CBS has that wrong :mad2: Congress needs to declare that it needs to wait 6 months to decide on a new trade bill with Brazil and other non compliant countries.
:yeahthat:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 11:39:12 AM
He needs to wait on the HC that he has already denied??  Hopefully CBS has this wrong.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tdmiller on December 21, 2009, 11:39:44 AM
:yeahthat:
Quote from: Bill33;53480
I hope CBS has that wrong :mad2: Congress needs to declare that it needs to wait 6 months to decide on a new trade bill with Brazil and other non compliant countries.
:lynchmob::shitstorm3:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 11:40:19 AM
Quote from: merapi;53473
CBS is reporting that Mendes will not decide on his own...to wait until February...pls don't let that be true.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/21/world/main6005329.shtml

if you watch the video though, Chris Smith indicates that he expects a decision TODAY. I think before I get too upset, I will wait to hear from the STF Twitters.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 11:40:30 AM
Any news on twitter?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: :: ultranol :: on December 21, 2009, 11:41:03 AM
Quote from: gail;53486
Any news on twitter?
not yet.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tenorplus on December 21, 2009, 11:41:06 AM
Quote from: Bill33;53480
I hope CBS has that wrong :mad2: Congress needs to declare that it needs to wait 6 months to decide on a new trade bill with Brazil and other non compliant countries.
Here's hoping CBS is totally wrong... what a crime (if this is the case)... and MORE SHAME ON BRAZIL and their [VERY] CORRUPT JUSTICE SYSTEM!! Sean MUST COME HOME NOW... and yes, 6 months on ANY trade-related bill... how about 5 years and see how this impacts their "pocketbook"!! Enough is enough. My heart really aches for David. WHY can they not see the total destruction and devastation... while rewarding criminals... and giving granny (and co) more time to scheme!!!!!!! GET A SPINE MENDES (et al)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cloud::cloud::cloud:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 11:41:08 AM
I know, Chris Smith made no mention of that and expects a ruling today.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: dsturnerjr on December 21, 2009, 11:41:39 AM
Quote from: gail;53486
Any news on twitter?

Nothing yet
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 11:41:55 AM
Quote from: gail;53486
Any news on twitter?

don't know..waiting for others to post! I can't read portugese and I am Twitter challenged!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 11:42:45 AM
Quote from: Bill33;53480
I hope CBS has that wrong :mad2: Congress needs to declare that it needs to wait 6 months to decide on a new trade bill with Brazil and other non compliant countries.

I still have hope that it will be today.
 
If it wasn't to be decided today, then Mendes could simply issue no decision until February, or have have issued a decision or a statement this morning announcing that he would wait for the full Court.
 
Instead, STF's press office announced via the official twitter service that a decison on the writs was due today. There was no need for the press office of the Court to do that if it wasn't the President's intention to give a substantial ruling in his chambers today.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: heather on December 21, 2009, 11:43:23 AM
Quite honestly I don't believe anything CBS reports anymore lol I think i will wait for the news on twitter :)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 11:43:24 AM
Why communicate by leaking information???? There is really no shame!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Evadc on December 21, 2009, 11:44:06 AM
Quote from: tenorplus;53488
Here's hoping CBS is totally wrong... what a crime (if this is the case)... and MORE SHAME ON BRAZIL and their [VERY] CORRUPT JUSTICE SYSTEM!! Sean MUST COME HOME NOW... and yes, 6 months on ANY trade-related bill... how about 5 years and see how this impacts their "pocketbook"!! Enough is enough. My heart really aches for David. WHY can they not see the total destruction and devastation... while rewarding criminals... and giving granny (and co) more time to scheme!!!!!!! GET A SPINE MENDES (et al)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cloud::cloud::cloud:

 I totally  agree with you!:cloud::cloud::cloud:
:mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: ProudDaddy on December 21, 2009, 11:44:10 AM
Quote from: lovellboys;53475
Guys - we knew this was a long shot.  I believe this means David will come home alone - again.

I don't think it was a long shot - the decision was within grasps. I wouldn't expect Sean to board the plane today or tomorrow, but maybe on 26th, after eating his panettones. But maybe David could move to Nonna's house and wait there until February - and let her handle his laundry... :D (just kidding)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: kmoor88 on December 21, 2009, 11:44:15 AM
Brazil will pay dearly for the total disregard of Human dignity.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tnajk on December 21, 2009, 11:44:18 AM
CBS isn't going to know before the STF twitter is updated...and it's not.  I think the CBS info is wrong.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 11:44:29 AM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53492
I still have hope that it will be today.
 
If it wasn't to be decided today, then Mendes could simply issue no decision until February, or have have issued a decision or a statement this morning announcing that he would wait for the full Court.
 
Instead, STF's press office announced via the official twitter service that a decison on the writs was due today. There was no need for the press office of the Court to do that if it wasn't the President's intention to give a substantial ruling in his chambers today.

Tunevsk...I'm waiting on you...I'd rather hear it from an "inside" source than from CBS.  I SOOO HOPE you are right!!  this has to stop!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tenorplus on December 21, 2009, 11:44:43 AM
Oh - we also KNOW that CBS has been seeming to favor (for whatever reason... maybe they are in someone's 'back pocket') the dark side through this case. Hopefully, they have this wrong... and I am more and more not so sure I want to view a whole lot of their programming, when they cannot even get this right!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 11:45:04 AM
~ CBS is the station that let crazy grannie have her say isnt it ?~
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: Eccaka on December 21, 2009, 11:45:26 AM
Quote from: lovellboys;53445
Cautious optimism folks......Silvana wants 'time' to review the AGU filing.


Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought that officially, only JPLS (where has he disappeared to btw?) was part of the case. Did that change to add the grandmother/grandparents? If not then what actual legal standing does the grandmother even have to request to review anything?

Usually I'm at work and can only follow the case by the daily news highlights (or lowlights unfortunately). Fingers crossed for David and Sean that I've picked a good week for vacation to witness a way too long in the making happy ending
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tnajk on December 21, 2009, 11:45:50 AM
Think about it, every other decision that's come down, the US news agencies don't pick up and post for a couple hours after everyone here already knows about it.  (after verification I'm sure)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: JamesJosephs on December 21, 2009, 11:46:07 AM
Quote from: tenorplus;53500
Oh - we also KNOW that CBS has been seeming to favor (for whatever reason... maybe they are in someone's 'back pocket') the dark side through this case. Hopefully, they have this wrong... and I am more and more not so sure I want to view a whole lot of their programming, when they cannot even get this right!!!!

Maybe their "source" was Harry Smith.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 11:46:26 AM
Quote from: tnajk;53498
CBS isn't going to know before the STF twitter is updated...and it's not. I think the CBS info is wrong.

:yeahthat: agreed.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Irish17 on December 21, 2009, 11:49:09 AM
I watched some of the footage of granny with toastes and I lost my cookies. They say that they have "severe damage" on david to show the courts that he is an unfit father, etc.!! NOT!!!!
When they say goodbye to Sean and he is on the plane with David, wheels are up, that damage that they had, that garbage is going to lead to whole bunch of nothing. THE STF President knows the correct decision, I am sure his phone is not quiet and I am sure that there are some back door pressure visits coming his way.
 
Now we just have to be patient pray and believe!!! Not easy, yet lets try!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 11:50:58 AM
Quote from: Irish17;53508
I watched some of the footage of granny with toastes and I lost my cookies. They say that they have "severe damage" on david to show the courts that he is an unfit father, etc.!! NOT!!!!
When they say goodbye to Sean and he is on the plane with David, wheels are up, that damage that they had, that garbage is going to lead to whole bunch of nothing. THE STF President knows the correct decision, I am sure his phone is not quiet and I am sure that there are some back door pressure visits coming his way.
 
Now we just have to be patient pray and believe!!! Not easy, yet lets try!!

sadly, patience is not one of my greater virtues!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: heather on December 21, 2009, 11:52:19 AM
Quote from: Wendy;53510
sadly, patience is not one of my greater virtures!
You and me both!  :D
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 11:53:11 AM
Quote from: Eccaka;53502
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought that officially, only JPLS (where has he disappeared to btw?) was part of the case. Did that change to add the grandmother/grandparents? If not then what actual legal standing does the grandmother even have to request to review anything?
 
Usually I'm at work and can only follow the case by the daily news highlights (or lowlights unfortunately). Fingers crossed for David and Sean that I've picked a good week for vacation to witness a way too long in the making happy ending

Apparently in Brazil, any Joe Blow ( or in this case "Jane Crazy" ) can walk up and file motions....or habeas corpus claims.....or ask to speak directly to a fellow conspirator in the judiciary.......
 
Ugh
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 11:54:49 AM
Quote from: heather;53511
You and me both! :D

apparently spelling isn't either!  :rolleyes:  that would be VIRTUES!  
 
I'm having a hard time staying sane today actually!!  sigh.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Aida on December 21, 2009, 11:55:12 AM
Chris Smith Now on Fox!!!
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: JonathanR on December 21, 2009, 11:55:34 AM
There's so much back and forth, I don't know what's most current. Will a decision be rendered TODAY?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Aida on December 21, 2009, 11:57:33 AM
You tell them Chris! Oh boy this is getting interesting now.
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 11:57:52 AM
Quote from: JonathanR;53515
There's so much back and forth, I don't know what's most current. Will a decision be rendered TODAY?

Chris Smith seems to think there will be according to this mornings interview.  Also Tunesvk (sp?) seems to think there will be.  BUT!! sadly, we've been down this road before.  I personally feel it will be today but that's just my unrelenting sense of what is right and fair vs. what is morally wrong and corrupt.  :rolleyes: All crossables crossed!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tenorplus on December 21, 2009, 11:59:34 AM
Quote from: JamesJosephs;53505
Maybe their "source" was Harry Smith.
:):)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Phoenix Phillips on December 21, 2009, 11:59:46 AM
For those of us at work.....What's he saying??
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: Eccaka on December 21, 2009, 11:59:46 AM
Quote from: JonathanR;53515
There's so much back and forth, I don't know what's most current. Will a decision be rendered TODAY?


From what I gather that seems to be the question of the day... CBS is  reporting that Mendes will rule that the full court will decide in February, but no one seems to trust CBS and there has been nothing else official
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: KLG on December 21, 2009, 11:59:47 AM
Chris Smith just said they are still expecting a decision TODAY.  Oh God, please end this.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 12:00:32 PM
I am glued to this computer!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Aida on December 21, 2009, 12:00:58 PM
:burn:Chris did not mentioned anything about decision being made. So where did CBS get that? Are they in the pockets of the dark side too???????:cloud:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 12:01:14 PM
Quote from: Aida;53514
Chris Smith Now on Fox!!!

Gives us an update please when it's over...I'm psuedo working....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Phoenix Phillips on December 21, 2009, 12:01:15 PM
Quote from: gail;53525
I am glued to this computer!

refresh, refresh, refresh......I'm right there with ya!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tenorplus on December 21, 2009, 12:01:24 PM
Quote from: Aida;53517
You tell them Chris! Oh boy this is getting interesting now.
What??? I am at work and cannot view anything (but this!)...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Amazee on December 21, 2009, 12:01:45 PM
Quote from: gail;53525
I am glued to this computer!

Me too.  My refresh button might need replacing.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Sandra on December 21, 2009, 12:02:01 PM
Quote from: jl2saint;53528
Gives us an update please when it's over...I'm psuedo working....


:yeahthat:
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: JonathanR on December 21, 2009, 12:02:35 PM
Quote from: Eccaka;53521
From what I gather that seems to be the question of the day... CBS is reporting that Mendes will rule that the full court will decide in February, but no one seems to trust CBS and there has been nothing else official

I hope you're right!! :nixweiss:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: JonathanR on December 21, 2009, 12:04:11 PM
Videos are blocked here at work!! What's going on FoxNews?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please, details.....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Jackie in Upstate NY on December 21, 2009, 12:04:59 PM
This is WAY TOO MUCH !!!! Mass tension ......
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 12:05:39 PM
Quote from: heather;53511
You and me both! :D

Quote from: JonathanR;53534
Videos are blocked here at work!! What's going on FoxNews?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please, details.....

does anyone have a link? I don't get foxnews!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Aida on December 21, 2009, 12:05:41 PM
It is over. Chris said that they are waiting for the decission. To everyone go to you tube about the video on Parental Alienation and put Lin E Silvas name. And talked about the reports of the 3 pchycologists that said that Sean was been harm by the dark side.  Sorry for misspelling.
Title: Re: Supreme Court to Rule Monday 12/21
Post by: heatheram29 on December 21, 2009, 12:06:00 PM
Chris Smith just did a *live* phone interview on FoxNews and made no mention of the ruling being delayed. Quite the opposite.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sandy on December 21, 2009, 12:06:46 PM
didn't sleep at all I can't eat or think about food!!! its intense.............
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 12:07:31 PM
Quote from: Aida;53537
It is over. Chris said that they are waiting for the decission. To everyone go to you tube about the video on Parental Alienation and put Lin E Silvas name. And talked about the reports of the 3 pchycologists that said that Sean was been harm by the dark side. Sorry for misspelling.

so are you saying that Chris Smith directed people to go to Youtube and watch Daddy Lins e Slime talk about parental alienation?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 12:07:34 PM
This is just crazy!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Jackie in Upstate NY on December 21, 2009, 12:08:41 PM
RIGHT THERE WITH YOU EVERYONE ... HANG IN THERE WENDY
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: JonathanR on December 21, 2009, 12:08:58 PM
Quote from: Aida;53537
It is over. Chris said that they are waiting for the decission. To everyone go to you tube about the video on Parental Alienation and put Lin E Silvas name. And talked about the reports of the 3 pchycologists that said that Sean was been harm by the dark side. Sorry for misspelling.

That was the report? There was no mention of a forthcoming decision?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 12:09:02 PM
CBS pulled the article, that is a VERY GOOD sign, hoping perhaps their source is inaccurate which would mean Sean's return...pray pray pray
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: KLG on December 21, 2009, 12:09:25 PM
I'll post what I can recall - please add what I forgot...
 
Chris Smith still expecting a decision today.  David is playing the waiting game, which is only harming Sean more every day.   He mentioned how the 3 psychologist confirmed that every day away from David is causing Sean harm.  He talked about all the ridiculous road blocks David has met but they are still hopeful.  He reiterated that this is a case of child abduction/kidnapping and Sean has only one dad.  He passionately spoke about how harmful these meaningless delays are.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: heatheram29 on December 21, 2009, 12:10:15 PM
Quote from: Wendy;53541
so are you saying that Chris Smith directed people to go to Youtube and watch Daddy Lins e Slime talk about parental alienation?

 
YES!! It was beautiful  :)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: KLG on December 21, 2009, 12:11:41 PM
Quote from: Wendy;53541
so are you saying that Chris Smith directed people to go to Youtube and watch Daddy Lins e Slime talk about parental alienation?

 
He was making the point that Lins e Slime knows exactly what he's doing re: alienating Sean.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 12:11:46 PM
Quote from: heatheram29;53549
YES!! It was beautiful :)

LOL!  OMG!! Talk about making those creeps choke on their own words!!! LMAO!! GO CHRIS SMITH!!!!! :cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Phoenix Phillips on December 21, 2009, 12:12:00 PM
Quote from: KLG;53547
I'll post what I can recall - please add what I forgot...
 
Chris Smith still expecting a decision today. David is playing the waiting game, which is only harming Sean more every day. He mentioned how the 3 psychologist confirmed that every day away from David is causing Sean harm. He talked about all the ridiculous road blocks David has met but they are still hopeful. He reiterated that this is a case of child abduction/kidnapping and Sean has only one dad. He passionately spoke about how harmful these meaningless delays are.

 
Thank you!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 12:12:36 PM
Quote from: KLG;53551
He was making the point that Lins e Slime knows exactly what he's doing re: alienating Sean.

We should get the link to that youtub video back up again.
 
HERE IS THE LINK TO IT!  WITH the english sub-titles!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWqQ7F7KnBY
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Rio Gringa on December 21, 2009, 12:12:43 PM
Quote from: heatheram29;53549
YES!! It was beautiful  :)

I'm pretty sure that's the set of videos my husband made!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 12:13:04 PM
I am guessing he is a little fired up today!!!  :D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: heather on December 21, 2009, 12:13:22 PM
Quote from: Rio Gringa;53555
I'm pretty sure that's the set of videos my husband made!
:clapping::clapping::clapping:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: JonathanR on December 21, 2009, 12:13:31 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;53546
CBS pulled the article, that is a VERY GOOD sign, hoping perhaps their source is inaccurate which would mean Sean's return...pray pray pray

YAY!!!! .....Everybody pray!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Eccaka on December 21, 2009, 12:13:41 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;53546
CBS pulled the article, that is a VERY GOOD sign, hoping perhaps their source is inaccurate which would mean Sean's return...pray pray pray


No, it's still there unfortunately. 3rd article down... The more positive sign is that no one else is reporting the same info.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Aida on December 21, 2009, 12:14:36 PM
AS of the time he went on LIVE the decision had Not being made. Otherwise he would have said something. That is why i am wondering where CBS got the info.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 12:14:42 PM
469 people on here now!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 12:15:15 PM
anyone got a link to the CBS article? Is there a place where readers can post??  talk about irresponsible reporting!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 12:15:18 PM
The Court's information on the writs of mandamus has been amended.
 
The table that had been updated this morning (to add a line showing that the file had been sent to Peluso's chambers this morning (12/21)), has been altered. That new line was changed, and it now says that the file was sent to Peluso's chambers last Friday (12/18).
 
GuiaOrigemDestinoData de RemessaData de Recebimento
17352/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOGABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSO18/12/2009
3715/2009COSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAOSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
17327/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOCOSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAO18/12/200918/12/2009
10305/2009SEÇÃO DE RECEBIMENTO E AUTUAÇÃO DE PROCESSOSSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009

 
 
On another developement, a new petition has been filed addressed to the file of David's writ of mandamus. This time the petition is presented in David's name. It is a petition "presenting the originals of the initial brief" for the action.
 
This is wierd. The most common for this would be if there was some confusion during the filing (when you file the initial brief of an action, you have to present: one original exemplar of the brief, for the Court, one copy, that is handed back to you with a stamp that serves as a receipt, and as many other copies as there are defendants - those are used for them to be served with. All further petitions apart from the initial brief do not need to be presented with copies that are to be used for serving the other parties; one original and one copy to be returned to the lawyer with the receipt suffices). Two problems are relatively common:
 
(i) the intern that goes to Court to make the actual filing delivers the copy and retains the original exemplar. As the copy is often unsigned, the two versions must then be exchanged to correct the problem; or
 
(ii) the plaintiff's lawyers fails to remember that, unlike all other petitions, an initial brief must be presented with copies that will be used to serve the other parties once the judge orders their notification to appear as defendants. Then the plaintiff must correct that by presenting the missing copies.
 
Or perhaps some civil servant just lost part of the original documents, which would be bizarre. Anyway, here is the information that David has now presented the originals of the initial brief:
 
DataAndamentoÓrgão JulgadorObservaçãoDocumento
21/12/2009 Petição 143768/2009 - 21/12/2009 - DAVID GEORGE GOLDMAN - APRESENTA ORIGINAIS DA PETIÇÃO INICIAL.  
 
21/12/2009 Petição 143767/2009 - 21/12/2009 - DAVID GEORGE GOLDMAN - REQUER JUNTADA DE ACÓRDÃO.  
 
21/12/2009 Petição 143754/2009 - 21/12/2009 - SILVANA BIANCHI CARNEIRO RIBEIRO - REQUER VISTA DOS AUTOS.  
 
18/12/2009 Conclusos ao(à) Relator(a)
 
18/12/2009 Conexão com o Processo nº MS28524  
 
18/12/2009 Distribuído MIN. CEZAR PELUSO  
 
18/12/2009 Autuado
 

 
David also used this opportunity to request the inclusion of an "acórdão" (a collective judgement), perhaps TRF-2's judgement, in the file. That he is filing new documents after the initial brief is wierd, but could be allowed since the defendant wasn't served yet, and wasn't even ordered to be notified yet.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 12:15:32 PM
Go get em Wendy!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Eccaka on December 21, 2009, 12:16:17 PM
Quote from: gail;53561
469 people on here now!


and all no doubt doing the same thing: read, refresh, read, refresh, read....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: shaine on December 21, 2009, 12:16:23 PM
I've been following this case for years. My thoughts and prayers are going out to David today. I hope that today is a great day for him & Sean.
 
One would think that a passport has been secured for Sean, or was never allowed to expire. I hope.
 
Anxiously waiting to hear the results of the hearing today.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Aida on December 21, 2009, 12:17:48 PM
When is CBS going to do something right? Like clean up their news room. They are all Journalist from Goofys University!!!! The Dark Side had to have something with that just to pissed everyone off!:cloud:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Rio Gringa on December 21, 2009, 12:18:31 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53563
The Court's information on the writs of mandamus has been amended.
 
The table that had been updated this morning (to add a line showing that the file had been sent to Peluso's chambers this morning (12/21)), has been altered. That new line was changed, and it now says that the file was sent to Peluso's chambers last Friday (12/18).
 
rocesso" fixed_bound="true" width="100%" border="0">
GuiaOrigemDestinoData de RemessaData de Recebimento
17352/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOGABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSO18/12/2009
3715/2009COSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAOSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
17327/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOCOSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAO18/12/200918/12/2009
10305/2009SEÇÃO DE RECEBIMENTO E AUTUAÇÃO DE PROCESSOSSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009

 
 
On another developement, a new petition has been filed addressed to the file of David's writ of mandamus. This time the petition is presented in David's name. It is a petition "presenting the originals of the initial brief" for the action.
 
This is wierd. The most common for this would be if there was some confusion during the filing (when you file the initial brief of an action, you have to present: one original exemplar of the brief, for the Court, one copy, that is handed back to you with a stamp that serves as a receipt, and as many other copies as there are defendants - those are used for them to be served with. All further petitions apart from the initial brief do not need to be presented with copies that are to be used for serving the other parties; one original and one copy to be returned to the lawyer with the receipt suffices). Two problems are relatively common:
 
(i) the intern that goes to Court to make the actual filing delivers the copy and retains the original exemplar. As the copy is often unsigned, the two versions must then be exchanged to correct the problem; or
 
(ii) the plaintiff's lawyers fails to remember that, unlike all other petitions, an initial brief must be presented with copies that will be used to serve the other parties once the judge orders their notification to appear as defendants. Then the plaintiff must correct that by presenting the missing copies.
 
Or perhaps some civil servant just lost part of the original documents, which would be bizarre. Anyway, here is the information that David has now presented the originals of the initial brief:
 
so" fixed_bound="true">
DataAndamentoÓrgão JulgadorObservaçãoDocumento
21/12/2009 Petição
143768/2009 - 21/12/2009 - DAVID GEORGE GOLDMAN - APRESENTA ORIGINAIS DA PETIÇÃO INICIAL.  
 
21/12/2009 Petição
143767/2009 - 21/12/2009 - DAVID GEORGE GOLDMAN - REQUER JUNTADA DE ACÓRDÃO.  
 
21/12/2009 Petição
143754/2009 - 21/12/2009 - SILVANA BIANCHI CARNEIRO RIBEIRO - REQUER VISTA DOS AUTOS.  
 
18/12/2009 Conclusos ao(à) Relator(a)


 
18/12/2009 Conexão com o Processo nº
MS28524  
 
18/12/2009 Distribuído
MIN. CEZAR PELUSO  
 
18/12/2009 Autuado


 

 
David also used this opportunity to request the inclusion of an "acórdão" (a collective judgement), perhaps TRF-2's judgement, in the file. That he is filing new documents after the initial brief is wierd, but could be allowed since the defendant wasn't served yet, and wasn't even ordered to be notified yet.

Doesn't it strike you as odd that they haven't reported the files being delivered to the President of the STF yet? Considering he probably should have had it on his desk by 9am?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Eccaka on December 21, 2009, 12:18:33 PM
Quote from: Wendy;53562
anyone got a link to the CBS article? Is there a place where readers can post??  talk about irresponsible reporting!!


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/21/world/main6005329.shtml
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 12:19:18 PM
Quote from: Aida;53569
When is CBS going to do something right? Like clean up their news room. They are all Journalist from Goofys University!!!! The Dark Side had to have something with that just to pissed everyone off!:cloud:


Why do you think nonna, JLS and Tostes were interviewed on CBS in June? Connections connections.  CBS - Oglobo - shoddy reporting....see a pattern?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tenorplus on December 21, 2009, 12:19:33 PM
PLEASE keep us informed... have to run for a meeting and will check back ASAP!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 12:20:19 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53563
The Court's information on the writs of mandamus has been amended.
 
Or perhaps some civil servant just lost part of the original documents, which would be bizarre. .

Honestly that wouldn't surprise me at all...how much would a civil servant like that earn for a living?  How quick to you think Lins e Slime et. al could find that person and pay them off!   The lengths to which this family will go is no longer surprising to me.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 12:21:03 PM
It went back up, now it is down again.....wishful thinking, but worth hoping for.....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 12:21:19 PM
It's 3:30 over there, don't you think there would be a decision by now?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Kerry on December 21, 2009, 12:21:46 PM
 (http://bringseanhome.org/forum/member.php?u=698)

Tunevsk,

Thank you ever so for the update.

Sitting here on tenterhooks - refreshing refreshing refreshing.


Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: KimmyRN on December 21, 2009, 12:21:54 PM
Hoping for a happy ending today!! Anxious isn't even the word. Go David!!! The Nurse's of Illinois support you. We are praying for your son's return today...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 12:22:42 PM
Quote from: gail;53578
It's 3:30 over there, don't you think there would be a decision by now?

thanks for posting that gail...i was just going to ask what time it was there.  I'd be surprised if we hear anything before 5 no?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 12:23:28 PM
Quote from: Rio Gringa;53570
Doesn't it strike you as odd that they haven't reported the files being delivered to the President of the STF yet? Considering he probably should have had it on his desk by 9am?

Thank God it wasn't on his desk by 9 a.m., or else the documents that David is presenting now wouldn't be there. Who knows what could have happened then.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: ENR on December 21, 2009, 12:23:52 PM
Quote from: Wendy;53584
thanks for posting that gail...i was just going to ask what time it was there.  I'd be surprised if we hear anything before 5 no?


It seems everything is always done at the end of the day over there.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: :: ultranol :: on December 21, 2009, 12:25:40 PM
Quote from: ENR;53586
It seems everything is always done at the end of the day over there.

I can assure you that. The mindset is: why should I do that now if I can do that tomorrow?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Rio Gringa on December 21, 2009, 12:25:53 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53585
Thank God it wasn't on his desk by 9 a.m., or else the documents that David is presenting now wouldn't be there. Who knows what could have happened then.

I guess everything is wacky because they're not in session?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: shaine on December 21, 2009, 12:25:55 PM
Maybe one can hope they request the immediate turn over of Sean today.
David you are an amazing man. I wish you nothing but luck today.

One can hope that they delayed the turn over until David got those documents included.
I am clueless when it comes to the legalities regarding this international case.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 12:27:14 PM
And behold, the file leaves the Chambers of Minister Peluso and is, once again, in a department of the Court's registry:
 
2904/2009GABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSOSEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOS21/12/200921/12/2009
17329/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOGABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSO18/12/200921/12/2009
3715/2009COSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAOSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
17327/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOCOSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAO18/12/200918/12/2009
10305/2009SEÇÃO DE RECEBIMENTO E AUTUAÇÃO DE PROCESSOSSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Aida on December 21, 2009, 12:27:15 PM
Quote from: lovellboys;53572
Why do you think nonna, JLS and Tostes were interviewed on CBS in June? Connections connections. CBS - Oglobo - shoddy reporting....see a pattern?

 
Yes i do that is why when we did a Fantasy flight for sick children they were not allowed in the plane!:)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 12:27:55 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53591
And behold, the file leaves the Chambers of Minister Peluso and is, once again, in a department of the Court's registry:
 
2904/2009GABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSOSEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOS21/12/200921/12/2009
17329/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOGABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSO18/12/200921/12/2009
3715/2009COSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAOSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
17327/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOCOSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAO18/12/200918/12/2009
10305/2009SEÇÃO DE RECEBIMENTO E AUTUAÇÃO DE PROCESSOSSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
What does that mean?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: elainem on December 21, 2009, 12:27:56 PM
The suspense is killing me... But I am truly am hopeful that today is the day!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 12:28:12 PM
I hope GM is waiting to the last second of the day, so the dark side will not have an HC opportunity.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: KimmyRN on December 21, 2009, 12:28:20 PM
I hope I have news before work today... I have to leave in 2 hours.. I feel so nervous. I cannot imagine how David feels. Thank God he has Chris Smith there for some support.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 12:28:41 PM
Quote from: JamesJosephs;53505
Maybe their "source" was Harry Smith.
 "the source, who requested anonymity citing no authority to speak on the matter" this person has no authority to speak so why bother listening
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 12:29:11 PM
Quote from: gail;53593
What does that mean?
Ditto that. And thanks Tunvsk for your updates:clapping:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 12:29:51 PM
Quote from: Eccaka;53566
and all no doubt doing the same thing: read, refresh, read, refresh, read....

 
No, it's read, refresh, bite nails, get queasy, read, refresh, pace a little, read, refresh, drum fingers on desk, read, refresh.....
 
;)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 12:29:59 PM
Quote from: KimmyRN;53598
I hope I have news before work today... I have to leave in 2 hours.. I feel so nervous. I cannot imagine how David feels. Thank God he has Chris Smith there for some support.
I truely believe none of this would be happening if it were not for Chris Smith being there with David.....it would have been put off again until February.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: gail;53578
It's 3:30 over there, don't you think there would be a decision by now?
It might make sense for Gilmar Mendes to run the clock today to avoid last minute appeals before they can fly out tonite, hopefully.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 12:30:31 PM
The file for AGU's writ (in which there wasn't the same confusion regarding the presentation of new documents, just Silvana's request to access the files) has also left Peluso's chambers:
 
2904/2009GABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSOSEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOS21/12/200921/12/2009
17329/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOGABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSO18/12/200921/12/2009
3715/2009COSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAOSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
17327/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOCOSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAO18/12/200918/12/2009
10304/2009SEÇÃO DE RECEBIMENTO E AUTUAÇÃO DE PROCESSOSSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tnajk on December 21, 2009, 12:30:57 PM
After reading the CBS article, they are saying a "source" gave inside info that M's already made his decision and won't rule without the full supreme court... The information's not been released yet, but they are saying that the decision has already been made.  

Well, the more I think about it, I fear this is exactly what's going to happen.  Pray that my gut feelings are wrong!!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 12:33:01 PM
Quote from: momof3inPA;53601
No, it's read, refresh, bite nails, get queasy, read, refresh, pace a little, read, refresh, drum fingers on desk, read, refresh.....
 
;)


you left out PRAY!! ;)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 12:33:11 PM
Is Oglobo reporting this?  Or the other one that has strong ties the PLS?  I don't think it's correct, at least I'm hoping not.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Evadc on December 21, 2009, 12:34:05 PM
Holy Cuticles! I have eaten all my nails and cant stand this "silence".Perhaps they are having a little lunch party before starting working,you know, brazilians are well known for parties all the time.
My stomach hurts already.

GO DAVID! LETS KICK THEM IN THE TEETH!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 12:34:45 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53605
The file for AGU's writ (in which there wasn't the same confusion regarding the presentation of new documents, just Silvana's request to access the files) has also left Peluso's chambers:
 
2904/2009GABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSOSEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOS21/12/200921/12/2009
17329/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOGABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSO18/12/200921/12/2009
3715/2009COSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAOSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
17327/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOCOSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAO18/12/200918/12/2009
10304/2009SEÇÃO DE RECEBIMENTO E AUTUAÇÃO DE PROCESSOSSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
What does all of this mean??? (and thanks for your help!)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 12:35:20 PM
Quote from: gail;53593
What does that mean?

Quote from: Tunevsk;53591
And behold, the file leaves the Chambers of Minister Peluso and is, once again, in a department of the Court's registry:
 
2904/2009GABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSOSEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOS21/12/200921/12/2009
17329/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOGABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSO18/12/200921/12/2009
3715/2009COSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAOSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
17327/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOCOSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAO18/12/200918/12/2009
10305/2009SEÇÃO DE RECEBIMENTO E AUTUAÇÃO DE PROCESSOSSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009

and that means???
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 12:36:42 PM
C'mon! Update us!!!! What's going on????
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 12:37:30 PM
Quote from: gail;53593
What does that mean?

Maybe the registry will insert the new petitions in the files and then send the files either back to the chambers from where they came or to Mendes' chambers.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: malalves on December 21, 2009, 12:37:35 PM
Quote from: gail;53612
Is Oglobo reporting this? Or the other one that has strong ties the PLS? I don't think it's correct, at least I'm hoping not.

Just checked their webpage and no news.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 12:38:50 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53621
Maybe the registry will insert the new petitions in the files and then send the files either back to the chambers from where they came or to Mendes' chambers.

it's making my head hurt! can't they just make a decision already!? it's a no brainer! Send him home with his FATHER...that's it that's all! why the big delay! geez!
 
K..I really have to feed my kid lunch! lol!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 12:38:53 PM
Where the heck is my Valium when I need it????
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 12:39:24 PM
Quote from: Audax;53624
Where the heck is my Valium when I need it????

can you share when you find it??
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: heather on December 21, 2009, 12:39:25 PM
Quote from: Audax;53624
Where the heck is my Valium when I need it????
lol
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 12:39:59 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53621
Maybe the registry will insert the new petitions in the files and then send the files either back to the chambers from where they came or to Mendes' chambers.


Hopefully it means that they are finally making nails with heads?!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Eccaka on December 21, 2009, 12:40:39 PM
Quote from: Audax;53620
C'mon! Update us!!!! What's going on????

It's just a waiting game right now. Nothing is really going on... files are being moved from office to office. CBS is reporting that it's bad news but there is still no official confirmation. That's all we know
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 12:40:58 PM
Quote from: Wendy;53626
can you share when you find it??


Sure, but if I can't find it I might have to raid a pharmacy :)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 12:41:55 PM
~getting lunch... may make it a liquid lunch! ~
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 12:42:01 PM
A document was placed in the file containing information from Peluso (the original rapporteur)'s chambers. Perhaps this is a document informing officially that the rapporteur is on vacation, and officially cerifying that, as the file contains a request for an emergency ruling, it needs to be sent to the presidency of the Court. With this cerificate, the registry's next step would be to send the file to the presidency for it to examine the urgent injunction request.
 
DataAndamentoÓrgão JulgadorObservaçãoDocumento
21/12/2009 Juntada informação do Gabinete do Ministro Cezar Peluso.  
 
21/12/2009 Petição 143768/2009 - 21/12/2009 - DAVID GEORGE GOLDMAN - APRESENTA ORIGINAIS DA PETIÇÃO INICIAL.  
 
21/12/2009 Petição 143767/2009 - 21/12/2009 - DAVID GEORGE GOLDMAN - REQUER JUNTADA DE ACÓRDÃO.  
 
21/12/2009 Petição 143754/2009 - 21/12/2009 - SILVANA BIANCHI CARNEIRO RIBEIRO - REQUER VISTA DOS AUTOS.  
 
18/12/2009 Conclusos ao(à) Relator(a)
 
18/12/2009 Conexão com o Processo nº MS28524  
 
18/12/2009 Distribuído MIN. CEZAR PELUSO  
 
18/12/2009 Autuado
 
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Jackie in Upstate NY on December 21, 2009, 12:44:26 PM
THERE IS NOT ENOUGH HOLIDAY CHOCOLATE IN THE HOUSE TODAY AND I CAN'T LEAVE LONG ENOUGH TO GET IT
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 12:45:35 PM
I am just glued here and my poor son is on the couch with the flu!  I'm running back and forth.....we need a decision!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 12:45:40 PM
Quote from: Jackie in Upstate NY;53634
THERE IS NOT ENOUGH HOLIDAY CHOCOLATE IN THE HOUSE TODAY AND I CAN'T LEAVE LONG ENOUGH TO GET IT
If you have a Kinney's Drugs they will deliver. Just get your doc to write a scrip for it.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 12:46:00 PM
Quote from: Jackie in Upstate NY;53634
THERE IS NOT ENOUGH HOLIDAY CHOCOLATE IN THE HOUSE TODAY AND I CAN'T LEAVE LONG ENOUGH TO GET IT

My kid has an advent calendar that is in SERIOUS jeopardy right now!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: nbianch on December 21, 2009, 12:46:00 PM
I can't imagine the stress for David right now.  I worry about the CBS report and pray that it is incorrect.  I can't imagine a negative ruling but with Brazil's corrupt judicial system, who knows.  This feels like Thursday all over again.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 12:46:14 PM
Quote from: Jackie in Upstate NY;53634
THERE IS NOT ENOUGH HOLIDAY CHOCOLATE IN THE HOUSE TODAY AND I CAN'T LEAVE LONG ENOUGH TO GET IT

I was just thinking that stocking my office with snacks this morning was perhaps not the best idea I've ever had.....
 
;)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lexi on December 21, 2009, 12:46:44 PM
Quote from: Herb Wife;53631
~getting lunch... may make it a liquid lunch! ~

Spoken like a true "ordained minister"! ;)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 12:48:01 PM
Any theories on this CBS report? Are they just making up stuff, or is there something nefarious about their connections and previous LACK of support (to put it mildly). Time for conspiracy theorists to kill some time while we wait! But not on this thread, sorry......shouldn't have brought it up here.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 12:48:28 PM
Quote from: nbianch;53638
I can't imagine the stress for David right now. I worry about the CBS report and pray that it is incorrect. I can't imagine a negative ruling but with Brazil's corrupt judicial system, who knows. This feels like Thursday all over again.

I wouldn't worry about the CBS story...they've already shown poor judegement in their reporting.  Obviously, as Tunevsk posted, the judge hasn't even read the documents yet.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 12:48:31 PM
Audux, I have xanax, not valium. Will that work?  Ha ha.
 
You live in Red Bank area, come on by, hahahaah
 
(kidding.  well, sort of....)  =)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Leah on December 21, 2009, 12:48:51 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53632
A document was placed in the file containing information from Peluso (the original rapporteur)'s chambers. Perhaps this is a document informing officially that the rapporteur is on vacation, and officially cerifying that, as the file contains a request for an emergency ruling, it needs to be sent to the presidency of the Court. With this cerificate, the registry's next step would be to send the file to the presidency for it to examine the urgent injunction request.
 
DataAndamentoÓrgão JulgadorObservaçãoDocumento
21/12/2009 Juntada informação do Gabinete do Ministro Cezar Peluso.  
 
21/12/2009 Petição 143768/2009 - 21/12/2009 - DAVID GEORGE GOLDMAN - APRESENTA ORIGINAIS DA PETIÇÃO INICIAL.  
 
21/12/2009 Petição 143767/2009 - 21/12/2009 - DAVID GEORGE GOLDMAN - REQUER JUNTADA DE ACÓRDÃO.  
 
21/12/2009 Petição 143754/2009 - 21/12/2009 - SILVANA BIANCHI CARNEIRO RIBEIRO - REQUER VISTA DOS AUTOS.  
 
18/12/2009 Conclusos ao(à) Relator(a)
 
18/12/2009 Conexão com o Processo nº MS28524  
 
18/12/2009 Distribuído MIN. CEZAR PELUSO  
 
18/12/2009 Autuado
 


Ok, so this means Mendes hasn't officially examined the injunction request, but do we think that in reality he's already studied the thing to pieces? Given that the STF twitter site and other sources say that a decision was due today? Or does the fact that it isn't officially in his chambers mean that he really has not received a copy?
Ack! Needing. Reassurance.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 12:49:27 PM
It might just be the family using their connections with CBS to spread disinformation. One hopes.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 12:49:55 PM
Jackie, I have chocolate here, too!  Wow Ive got goodies for everyone...
 
Anyone in need of chocolate or Xanax while we await this decision, come on by!!!!!!!!!
 
-again, I am obviously kidding, i am not offering prescription drugs for free on this message board.  the chocolate however, feel free...=)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 12:50:06 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;53641
Any theories on this CBS report? Are they just making up stuff, or is there something nefarious about their connections and previous LACK of support (to put it mildly).


It would not surprise me if this mysterious insider was nothing but the dark side trying to ruffle some feathers...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 12:50:23 PM
Quote from: BrazilianForJustice;53646
It might just be the family using their connections with CBS to spread disinformation. One hopes.

 
 
Definitely hoping for that
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: JamesJosephs on December 21, 2009, 12:50:28 PM
Liz Bacelar, the reporter for this CBS story, is the former editor The Tribuna, a local Connecticut based English and Portuguese language Brazilian newspaper founded by her mother, Celia Bacelar, the publisher.
 
Liz Bacelar went from The Tribuna to CBSNews where she became a Producer for The Early Show, working closely with Harry Smith.
 
bacelare@cbsnews.com (bacelare@cbsnews.com)
 
Reach your own conclusions.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Jessica on December 21, 2009, 12:50:28 PM
Granny invited David for xmas dinner?? What is she going to do-throw food over the balcony at him in the coutyard?? Maybe she will pick up the phone when he calls and not hang up. How about make sure Sean is there when David is supposed to visit. Five + years of toture and now she dangles a carrot!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Rio Gringa on December 21, 2009, 12:50:34 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;53641
Any theories on this CBS report? Are they just making up stuff, or is there something nefarious about their connections and previous LACK of support (to put it mildly). Time for conspiracy theorists to kill some time while we wait! But not on this thread, sorry......shouldn't have brought it up here.

I honestly have no idea, but I do know CBS always grasps at straws to try to have "exclusive" coverage of the case. They're jealous of NBC. :)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 12:50:56 PM
Quote from: Leah;53644
Ok, so this means Mendes hasn't officially examined the injunction request, but do we think that in reality he's already studied the thing to pieces? Given that the STF twitter site and other sources say that a decision was due today? Or does the fact that it isn't officially in his chambers mean that he really has not received a copy?
Ack! Needing. Reassurance.

Maybe (oh please oh please God) the only thing holding up the decision is his "official" receipt of the files.....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 12:51:09 PM
Quote from: Lexi;53640
Spoken like a true "ordained minister"! ;)

I bless before I sip...***hiccup***:hihi::hihi::hihi:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 12:51:34 PM
And (with the new petitions and the certificate from Peluso's chambers) THE FILES ARE NOW TO BE SENT TO THE PRESIDENCY OF THE COURT (physical delivery has not happened, but the information that the file is to be sent for a decision by the president has been added). Right now, the file is simply awaiting transportation:
 
DataAndamentoÓrgão JulgadorObservaçãoDocumento
21/12/2009 Conclusos à Presidência
 
21/12/2009 Juntada Petição nº 143768/2009.  
 
21/12/2009 Juntada Petição nº 143767/2009.  
 
21/12/2009 Juntada Petição nº 143754/2009.  
 
21/12/2009 Juntada informação do Gabinete do Ministro Cezar Peluso.  
 
21/12/2009 Petição 143768/2009 - 21/12/2009 - DAVID GEORGE GOLDMAN - APRESENTA ORIGINAIS DA PETIÇÃO INICIAL.  
 
21/12/2009 Petição 143767/2009 - 21/12/2009 - DAVID GEORGE GOLDMAN - REQUER JUNTADA DE ACÓRDÃO.  
 
21/12/2009 Petição 143754/2009 - 21/12/2009 - SILVANA BIANCHI CARNEIRO RIBEIRO - REQUER VISTA DOS AUTOS.  
 
18/12/2009 Conclusos ao(à) Relator(a)
 
18/12/2009 Conexão com o Processo nº MS28524  
 
18/12/2009 Distribuído MIN. CEZAR PELUSO  
 
18/12/2009 Autuado
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 12:52:54 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53655
And (with the new petitions and the certificate from Peluso's chambers) THE FILES ARE NOW TO BE SENT TO THE PRESIDENCY OF THE COURT (physical delivery has not happened, but the information that the file is to be sent for a decision by the president has been added). Right now, the file is simply awaiting transportation:
 
 
 
GACK!!  I'll take it!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: nbianch on December 21, 2009, 12:53:12 PM
Where has Hillary been lately? Few words, no backbone!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 12:53:51 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53655
And (with the new petitions and the certificate from Peluso's chambers) THE FILES ARE NOW TO BE SENT TO THE PRESIDENCY OF THE COURT (physical delivery has not happened, but the information that the file is to be sent for a decision by the president has been added). Right now, the file is simply awaiting transportation:
 
DataAndamentoÓrgão JulgadorObservaçãoDocumento
21/12/2009 Conclusos à Presidência
 

21/12/2009 Juntada Petição nº 143768/2009.
 

21/12/2009 Juntada Petição nº 143767/2009.
 

21/12/2009 Juntada Petição nº 143754/2009.
 

21/12/2009 Juntada informação do Gabinete do Ministro Cezar Peluso.
 

21/12/2009 Petição 143768/2009 - 21/12/2009 - DAVID GEORGE GOLDMAN - APRESENTA ORIGINAIS DA PETIÇÃO INICIAL.
 

21/12/2009 Petição 143767/2009 - 21/12/2009 - DAVID GEORGE GOLDMAN - REQUER JUNTADA DE ACÓRDÃO.
 

21/12/2009 Petição 143754/2009 - 21/12/2009 - SILVANA BIANCHI CARNEIRO RIBEIRO - REQUER VISTA DOS AUTOS.
 

18/12/2009 Conclusos ao(à) Relator(a)
 

18/12/2009 Conexão com o Processo nº MS28524
 

18/12/2009 Distribuído MIN. CEZAR PELUSO
 

18/12/2009 Autuado

good lord they like to take it for a hike before they pass it to the right person?!?!  GEEZ! get ON with it already!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 12:53:51 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53655
And (with the new petitions and the certificate from Peluso's chambers) THE FILES ARE NOW TO BE SENT TO THE PRESIDENCY OF THE COURT (physical delivery has not happened, but the information that the file is to be sent for a decision by the president has been added). Right now, the file is simply awaiting transportation:
 
DataAndamentoÓrgão JulgadorObservaçãoDocumento
21/12/2009 Conclusos à Presidência
 

21/12/2009 Juntada Petição nº 143768/2009.
 

21/12/2009 Juntada Petição nº 143767/2009.
 

21/12/2009 Juntada Petição nº 143754/2009.
 

21/12/2009 Juntada informação do Gabinete do Ministro Cezar Peluso.
 

21/12/2009 Petição 143768/2009 - 21/12/2009 - DAVID GEORGE GOLDMAN - APRESENTA ORIGINAIS DA PETIÇÃO INICIAL.
 

21/12/2009 Petição 143767/2009 - 21/12/2009 - DAVID GEORGE GOLDMAN - REQUER JUNTADA DE ACÓRDÃO.
 

21/12/2009 Petição 143754/2009 - 21/12/2009 - SILVANA BIANCHI CARNEIRO RIBEIRO - REQUER VISTA DOS AUTOS.
 

18/12/2009 Conclusos ao(à) Relator(a)
 

18/12/2009 Conexão com o Processo nº MS28524
 

18/12/2009 Distribuído MIN. CEZAR PELUSO
 

18/12/2009 Autuado

 
And the file is now physically on its way to the President's desk:
 
GuiaOrigemDestinoData de RemessaData de Recebimento
11021/2009SEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOSPRESIDENCIA DO STF21/12/2009
2904/2009GABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSOSEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOS21/12/200921/12/2009
17329/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOGABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSO18/12/200921/12/2009
3715/2009COSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAOSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
17327/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOCOSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAO18/12/200918/12/2009
10305/2009SEÇÃO DE RECEBIMENTO E AUTUAÇÃO DE PROCESSOSSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 12:54:03 PM
I just remembered - I have the kids' stocking stuffer treats hiding in my car....be right back
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 12:55:04 PM
I am going to have a stroke I think!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 12:55:44 PM
Quote from: Audax;53660
I just remembered - I have the kids' stocking stuffer treats hiding in my car....be right back

LMAO!  :D:D:D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 12:56:34 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53659
And the file is now physically on its way to the President's desk:
 
GuiaOrigemDestinoData de RemessaData de Recebimento
11021/2009SEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOSPRESIDENCIA DO STF21/12/2009
2904/2009GABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSOSEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOS21/12/200921/12/2009
17329/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOGABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSO18/12/200921/12/2009
3715/2009COSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAOSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
17327/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOCOSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAO18/12/200918/12/2009
10305/2009SEÇÃO DE RECEBIMENTO E AUTUAÇÃO DE PROCESSOSSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
Oh good!!!! I wonder how long it will take for him to make a decision? Do you think he will look at it right away?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 12:56:40 PM
update on Fox after break ..they say should decide today...!???!!  
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: ENR on December 21, 2009, 12:56:58 PM
Quote from: Wendy;53661
I am going to have a stroke I think!!


Hang in there Wendy!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Evadc on December 21, 2009, 12:57:33 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53659
And the file is now physically on its way to the President's desk:
 
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GuiaOrigemDestinoData de RemessaData de Recebimento
11021/2009SEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOSPRESIDENCIA DO STF21/12/2009
2904/2009GABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSOSEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOS21/12/200921/12/2009
17329/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOGABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSO18/12/200921/12/2009
3715/2009COSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAOSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
17327/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOCOSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAO18/12/200918/12/2009
10305/2009SEÇÃO DE RECEBIMENTO E AUTUAÇÃO DE PROCESSOSSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009


The file now is sitting on the president's desk meanwhile the president takes a leak and start planning his beach vacation loaded with cold beer and samba. ARRRRRRRRRGH, I cant stand this suspense!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 12:57:52 PM
Quote from: Jessica;53651
Granny invited David for xmas dinner?? What is she going to do-throw food over the balcony at him in the coutyard?? Maybe she will pick up the phone when he calls and not hang up. How about make sure Sean is there when David is supposed to visit. Five + years of toture and now she dangles a carrot!!!
That was a good one!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 12:57:52 PM
Quote from: ENR;53665
Hang in there Wendy!

trying...you're a nurse tho right...you can revive me?!?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: JamesJosephs on December 21, 2009, 12:58:00 PM
Quote from: nbianch;53657
Where has Hillary been lately? Few words, no backbone!

Here is Hillary Clinton's most recent public statement on the case:
 
"...We appreciate the assistance and cooperation of the Government of Brazil in upholding its obligations under the Hague Convention on International Child Abduction.... "
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 12:58:56 PM
Quote from: Herb Wife;53664
update on Fox after break ..they say should decide today...!???!!  


Decide today to wait until February or REALLY decide??  The filing came from the AGU - I would like to think they would not make him wait until February, but maybe he is not part of the right club.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lexi on December 21, 2009, 12:59:04 PM
Quote from: Herb Wife;53654
I bless before I sip...***hiccup***:hihi::hihi::hihi:

Good one HW...cute. :hihi:.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 12:59:11 PM
Quote from: JamesJosephs;53669
Here is Hillary Clinton's most recent public statement on the case:
 
"...We appreciate the assistance and cooperation of the Government of Brazil in upholding its obligations under the Hague Convention on International Child Abduction.... "


Yea, but she had to eat those words within hours...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 12:59:13 PM
Quote from: JamesJosephs;53669
Here is Hillary Clinton's most recent public statement on the case:
 
"...We appreciate the assistance and cooperation of the Government of Brazil in upholding its obligations under the Hague Convention on International Child Abduction.... "
Yeah...and that was days ago. She should be saying...we want Sean on a plane or else!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: missylynn on December 21, 2009, 12:59:25 PM
Quote from: Rio Gringa;53652
I honestly have no idea, but I do know CBS always grasps at straws to try to have "exclusive" coverage of the case. They're jealous of NBC. :)

 
:yeahthat:
 
Exactly what I was thinking. Given their track record of shoddy journalism I am choosing to ignore the NBC wannabe. I am going to stay optimistic and believe that basic human decency will prevail today. (just need a little shot of pepto-bismol to quell the nausea while we wait)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 12:59:29 PM
Quote from: JamesJosephs;53650
Liz Bacelar, the reporter for this CBS story, is the former editor The Tribuna, a local Connecticut based English and Portuguese language Brazilian newspaper founded by her mother, Celia Bacelar, the publisher.
 
Liz Bacelar went from The Tribuna to CBSNews where she became a Producer for The Early Show, working closely with Harry Smith.
 
bacelare@cbsnews.com (bacelare@cbsnews.com)
 
Reach your own conclusions.
Bingo! Talk about doing the homework...
 
Hope Liz is not supplementing her CBS salary that way. It wouldn't be according to The CBS Early Show rules. Or would it??
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 21, 2009, 01:00:08 PM
I wish I were there to personally carry this 'file' back and forth. I'd be sprinting!!
 
Here's to wrapping this up and heading for the plane!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 01:00:55 PM
Quote from: lisacallenwood;53677
I wish I were there to personally carry this 'file' back and forth. I'd be sprinting!!
 
Here's to wrapping this up and heading for the plane!!!
lol I'd be sprinting too!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 01:00:57 PM
Quote from: lisacallenwood;53677
I wish I were there to personally carry this 'file' back and forth. I'd be sprinting!!
 
Here's to wrapping this up and heading for the plane!!!


Seriously!!!!  I mean what happened to email?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 01:01:21 PM
Quote from: lovellboys;53679
Seriously!!!! I mean what happened to email?

 
LOL!  no kidding!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 21, 2009, 01:01:43 PM
Btw....have I told you yet today Tunevsk how much I appreciate your blow-by-blow updates here!! Your input and insights are invaluable!!
 
THANK YOU!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 01:02:07 PM
Wendy, youre hilarious, my love to Canada =)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Kerry on December 21, 2009, 01:02:13 PM
Quote from: JamesJosephs;53669
Here is Hillary Clinton's most recent public statement on the case:
 
"...We appreciate the assistance and cooperation of the Government of Brazil in upholding its obligations under the Hague Convention on International Child Abduction.... "


And when was this from Hillary?
If I recall, it was last week just before the Cruella saga.

Has she bothered to weigh in since?
Publicly, she has not - but maybe behind the scenes she has been instrumental in some way??????
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 01:02:17 PM
Quote from: lisacallenwood;53681
Btw....have I told you yet today Tunevsk how much I appreciate your blow-by-blow updates here!! Your input and insights are invaluable!!
 
THANK YOU!!


Ditto  :clapping::clapping::clapping:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 01:02:30 PM
Quote from: lovellboys;53679
Seriously!!!! I mean what happened to email?

actually based on what we've seen out of the Brazilian judiciary historically.... this thing is moving at the speed of light by comparison!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 01:02:47 PM
Quote from: lisacallenwood;53681
Btw....have I told you yet today Tunevsk how much I appreciate your blow-by-blow updates here!! Your input and insights are invaluable!!
 
THANK YOU!!


Ditto and kudos to Tunevsk!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 01:02:57 PM
Quote from: lisacallenwood;53681
Btw....have I told you yet today Tunevsk how much I appreciate your blow-by-blow updates here!! Your input and insights are invaluable!!
 
THANK YOU!!
DITTO!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 01:03:32 PM
Fox will be updating soon
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 01:04:14 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;53682
Wendy, youre hilarious, my love to Canada =)

back atchya!!
 
 :hug::hug::hug::hug:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: katie on December 21, 2009, 01:04:18 PM
Fox News just said that the ruling is set to come down very soon and they will report on it.  

I'm keeping this channel on all day.   My kids will have to watch The Wiggles another time!  

I'm not a religious person but I am praying for Sean and David.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 01:04:54 PM
Ok...this is bad. I am actually smoking in the house bc I can't leave my computer! I am in big trouble!
 
Yes Wendy....this is like warp speed compared to the past.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 01:05:06 PM
Quote from: lisacallenwood;53681
Btw....have I told you yet today Tunevsk how much I appreciate your blow-by-blow updates here!! Your input and insights are invaluable!!
 
THANK YOU!!

add my voice to that thank you!!  :cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: katie on December 21, 2009, 01:05:27 PM
Fox has a picture on Sean on the screen with "Custody Ruling Soon" underneath it.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Rio Gringa on December 21, 2009, 01:05:34 PM
Quote from: Kerry;53683
And when was this from Hillary?
If I recall, it was last week just before the Cruella saga.

Has she bothered to weigh in since?
Publicly, she has not - but maybe behind the scenes she has been instrumental in some way??????

I'd put money on it.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 01:06:08 PM
Quote from: lovellboys;53679
Seriously!!!! I mean what happened to email?

 
They Twitter, but they don't send stuff by email?!?!?!  ROFLMAO
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 01:06:27 PM
I cannot take credit for this, but on the Facebook forum a gentleman by the name of Glenn offered these encouraging thoughts:
 
"Appearently the court is waiting until after business hours to issue a statement. That is to prevent the sick step family from filing another last minute appeal. Giving David time to immediately get on a plane and fly with his son home. Just my humble opinion."
 
Your humble opinion is BEAUTIFUL
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: malalves on December 21, 2009, 01:06:43 PM
Quote from: katie;53695
Fox has a picture on Sean on the screen with "Custody Ruling Soon" underneath it.

I wonder if they are following this forum and Tunevsk´s postings!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 01:07:06 PM
Quote from: momof3inPA;53697
They Twitter, but they don't send stuff by email?!?!?! ROFLMAO
Court docs probably can't be sent by email bc they need to be signed off on.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Eccaka on December 21, 2009, 01:07:17 PM
Quote from: Teena;53693
Ok...this is bad. I am actually smoking in the house bc I can't leave my computer! I am in big trouble!



Days like today REALLY make me question quitting a couple years ago. Have a few for me
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 01:07:28 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;53698
I cannot take credit for this, but on the Facebook forum a gentleman by the name of Glenn offered these encouraging thoughts:
 
"Appearently the court is waiting until after business hours to issue a statement. That is to prevent the sick step family from filing another last minute appeal. Giving David time to immediately get on a plane and fly with his son home. Just my humble opinion."
 
Your humble opinion is BEAUTIFUL


If this - please oh please - ends up being true, I wanna buy that gentleman a drink!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 01:07:34 PM
Quote from: momof3inPA;53697
They Twitter, but they don't send stuff by email?!?!?! ROFLMAO

LMAO!! Moronically funny isn't it?  Maybe it is going by e-mail and that's how Tunevsk is able to track it from the site...as I stated, it's moving lightening fast compared to what we are accustomed to.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 01:07:36 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;53698
I cannot take credit for this, but on the Facebook forum a gentleman by the name of Glenn offered these encouraging thoughts:
 
"Appearently the court is waiting until after business hours to issue a statement. That is to prevent the sick step family from filing another last minute appeal. Giving David time to immediately get on a plane and fly with his son home. Just my humble opinion."
 
Your humble opinion is BEAUTIFUL
LOVE IT!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 01:07:56 PM
Quote from: katie;53695
Fox has a picture on Sean on the screen with "Custody Ruling Soon" underneath it.


Yea, i got it on too..
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 01:08:17 PM
Quote from: malalves;53699
I wonder if they are following this forum and Tunevsk´s postings!
Fox has no more information than anyone with Twitter. They're just doing their job to keep viewers tuned in. Don't blame them, just want to caution that they are not any more connected than anyone else.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Rio Gringa on December 21, 2009, 01:08:52 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;53698
I cannot take credit for this, but on the Facebook forum a gentleman by the name of Glenn offered these encouraging thoughts:
 
"Appearently the court is waiting until after business hours to issue a statement. That is to prevent the sick step family from filing another last minute appeal. Giving David time to immediately get on a plane and fly with his son home. Just my humble opinion."
 
Your humble opinion is BEAUTIFUL

Assuming this could be possible - Tuneskv - when do business hours end at the STF? 17:00 or 18:00?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 01:09:05 PM
~I sell a nice Native American herbal smoke  blend ~
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 01:09:24 PM
Quote from: lovellboys;53702
If this - please oh please - ends up being true, I wanna buy that gentleman a drink!!

 
I will buy him one, too, we'll all get him drunk a as skunk!!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 01:09:31 PM
now THAT would be the only brilliant move by the Brazilian judiciary that they have made so far! the next would be to state that the HC must be repected for ALL taken children!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 01:10:28 PM
Quote from: malalves;53699
I wonder if they are following this forum and Tunevsk´s postings!
Of course they are. We have a well oiled machine here that they don't. Why? Because no one supports them.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 01:11:39 PM
Quote from: Teena;53711
Of course they are. We have a well oiled machine here that they don't. Why? Because no one supports them.

 
:D:D:D:D:D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lexi on December 21, 2009, 01:12:18 PM
Can someone in Brazil tell me, are the main TV stations there covering this throughout the day or does that only happen during news shows? I'm just curious if the media attention there is as intense and frequent as in the US and if most Brazilians would be aware of new developments as they happen.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 01:13:36 PM
Quote from: lisacallenwood;53681
Btw....have I told you yet today Tunevsk how much I appreciate your blow-by-blow updates here!! Your input and insights are invaluable!!
 
THANK YOU!!
:yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat:
 
Tunevsk is awesome....Thx buddy
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 01:14:26 PM
Quote from: Wendy;53703
LMAO!! Moronically funny isn't it? Maybe it is going by e-mail and that's how Tunevsk is able to track it from the site...as I stated, it's moving lightening fast compared to what we are accustomed to.

They do have a "push" service by e-mail for lawyers.
 
But I'm looking directly at the website. You can input the docket number and look at details of the processing of the case.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 01:14:34 PM
Quote from: Herb Wife;53708
~I sell a nice Native American herbal smoke blend ~

I used to sell that in college..............;)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: heatheram29 on December 21, 2009, 01:15:12 PM
Quote from: Wendy;53703
,,, it's moving lightening fast compared to what we are accustomed to.

 
I'm sure the clerk delivering the documents is walking extra slow in protest, mumbling something about those new fangled American ways.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 01:15:50 PM
Quote from: jl2saint;53719
I used to sell that in college..............;)
lol
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 01:16:14 PM
I quit smoking and this is going to make me smoke again.
I have now had to take TWO Xanax and I only ever take them to sleep at night in an emergency.
I said a prayer this morning with my 1 yo son and actually cried. I haven't prayed in years!!! (though I do believe in God and I know I should....but thats not the point)
I've done NOTHING at work today except hit refresh refresh refresh (hi Employer!) in the news forums, and will probably have a nervous breakdown if we do not get good news shortly.
 
Oh, and I also ate four chocolate balls.  This is ridiculous.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 01:16:14 PM
Quote from: heatheram29;53720
I'm sure the clerk delivering the documents is walking extra slow in protest, mumbling something about those new fangled American ways.

 
Or maybe he/she is being paid by the dark side to delay, delay, delay.....
 
:D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 01:16:21 PM
Quote from: jl2saint;53719
I used to sell that in college..............;)

LMAO! :D:D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Dan_Plainview on December 21, 2009, 01:16:37 PM
Quote from: Rio Gringa;53707
Assuming this could be possible - Tuneskv - when do business hours end at the STF? 17:00 or 18:00?

I think they still need a warrant from 1st level ... do they not?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 01:16:48 PM
Quote from: heatheram29;53720
I'm sure the clerk delivering the documents is walking extra slow in protest, mumbling something about those new fangled American ways.

HAHAHAHHA
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 01:18:26 PM
Quote from: jl2saint;53719
I used to sell that in college..............;)
That was you?....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 01:19:09 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;53727
That was you?....
LOL
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 01:20:06 PM
I hope we get some news here soon.....we're all getting a bit wacky!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 01:20:22 PM
When does Court close? 5pm? That would be 40 minutes from now in Red Bank, NJ time
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 01:20:44 PM
Quote from: gail;53729
I hope we get some news here soon.....we're all getting a bit wacky!

 
yes...and my bladder is not very happy right now!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 01:20:58 PM
Quote from: gail;53729
I hope we get some news here soon.....we're all getting a bit wacky!

 
I agree.  We're going to need some of those herbal cigarettes pretty soon...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 01:21:28 PM
Quote from: Wendy;53731
yes...and my bladder is not very happy right now!!


Do you have a laptop? Take it with you...:D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 01:21:35 PM
Quote from: Dan_Plainview;53725
I think they still need a warrant from 1st level ... do they not?

Believe me, when the first instance judge on the night shift receives a FAX bearing the name of the Federal Supreme Court and the signature of its president, it will do everything that is needed as per that order ASAP.
 
By the way, the president of the Supreme Court is also president of the Council that disciplines judges.
 
And lastly, I would consider it more probable that Mendes, if he grants AGU's and David's request, will re-start the 48 your time period set by TRF-2 from when it stopped (i.e., will command that the delivery be made in 24 hours)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 01:22:09 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;53733
I agree. We're going to need some of those herbal cigarettes pretty soon...
You guys are making me laugh!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 21, 2009, 01:22:15 PM
herbal cigarettes or 'medicinal' merlot
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 01:22:25 PM
Quote from: Wendy;53731
yes...and my bladder is not very happy right now!!
Wendy, for crying out loud, you're allowed to take a potty break.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 01:22:49 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53736
Believe me, when the first instance judge on the night shift receives a FAX bearing the name of the Federal Supreme Court and the signature of its president, it will do everything that is needed as per that order ASAP.
 
By the way, the president of the Supreme Court is also president of the Council that disciplines judges.
That's a good thing, right?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 01:22:50 PM
Quote from: Audax;53735
Do you have a laptop? Take it with you...:D

 
OMG why didn't i think of that! ok! lol!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 01:23:11 PM
Quote from: lisacallenwood;53738
herbal cigarettes or 'medicinal' merlot

 
OMG I just ate half a pound of cinnamon almonds......
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 01:23:17 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53736
Believe me, when the first instance judge on the night shift receives a FAX bearing the name of the Federal Supreme Court and the signature of its president, it will do everything that is needed as per that order ASAP.
 
By the way, the president of the Supreme Court is also president of the Council that disciplines judges.
Good to know
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 01:23:59 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;53727
That was you?....

If you are a cop, NO!!!!!   lol
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 21, 2009, 01:24:05 PM
Just checked the 'stats' here and BSH is burning up. There were 387 users online a second ago.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Evadc on December 21, 2009, 01:25:17 PM
How caloric are cuticles and nails?Not to mention that my feet wont stop tapping impatiently...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 01:25:38 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53736
By the way, the president of the Supreme Court is also president of the Council that disciplines judges.
 

good! maybe he can slap MA around a bit for being such a dink! (did I say that?!)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 01:26:20 PM
Quote from: Wendy;53749
good! maybe he can slap MA around a bit for being such a dink! (did I say that?!)


No, I didn't hear anything...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Bill33 on December 21, 2009, 01:27:04 PM
Quote from: lisacallenwood;53747
Just checked the 'stats' here and BSH is burning up. There were 387 users online a second ago.


That's 387 in this (main) forum, and a whopping 498 on the board.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 01:27:09 PM
Quote from: JamesJosephs;53650
Liz Bacelar, the reporter for this CBS story, is the former editor The Tribuna, a local Connecticut based English and Portuguese language Brazilian newspaper founded by her mother, Celia Bacelar, the publisher.
 
Liz Bacelar went from The Tribuna to CBSNews where she became a Producer for The Early Show, working closely with Harry Smith.
 
bacelare@cbsnews.com (bacelare@cbsnews.com)
 
Reach your own conclusions.
It is amazing what some people are capable of. Why does anyone would anyone in the media do the bidding for child kidnappers?? Offering them a platform on national television, and now spreading disinformation, or worse...

I found this announcement. This lady even has a child now that she can call her own. And the child is right by her. Not abducted away...

http://www.tribunact.com/news/2009/0916/community_in_focus/031.html

Gabriela Bacelar Nunes' Christening

(http://www.tribunact.com/news/2009/0916/community_in_focus/031p1_lg.jpg) (http://"http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:openimage%28%27031p1_xlg.jpg%27,715,1024%29)
[SIZE=-1]Ricardo and Elizabeth Nunes with daughter Gabriela [/SIZE][/I]
"I present Gabriela Bacelar Nunes to receive the Sacrament of Baptism," said Father Bob Godley of the Parish Church of Saint Barnabas in the Village of Ardsley, New York on Sunday, September 13. Family members and friends gathered on that morning to witness this little life become filled with special blessings from above and filled her Christening day with great love.

Born on November 25, 2008, to Elizabeth Bacelar Nunes and Ricardo Nunes, Gabriela is the first child, grandchild and niece in their family, coming into the world after seven years of marriage. Little Gabi, as the family loves to call her, was water born after long hours of labor, which was described by her mother Elizabeth as an amazing experience and the gentlest of births.

A baby is the beginning of all things - representing wonder, hope and dreams of possibility. May God bless sweet Gabriela who was brought into His presence to be baptized. May He teach those precious little feet to follow in His path so she may grow in truth and love and transform her dreams into reality.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 01:27:15 PM
The internet service has been updated to include the information that the file has been actually received at the president's chambers from the officers that handle transportation:
 
GuiaOrigemDestinoData de RemessaData de Recebimento
11021/2009SEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOSPRESIDENCIA DO STF21/12/200921/12/2009
2904/2009GABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSOSEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOS21/12/200921/12/2009
17329/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOGABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSO18/12/200921/12/2009
3715/2009COSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAOSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
17327/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOCOSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAO18/12/200918/12/2009
10304/2009SEÇÃO DE RECEBIMENTO E AUTUAÇÃO DE PROCESSOSSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: carina on December 21, 2009, 01:30:20 PM
OK just saw this on STF twitter. It says that the mandate - mandados (I don;t know if that is the right translation for this word), tells for the boy to be return immediately to his father. That was about 20 hrs ago a guess.

Is this a decision or part of the appeal????:conf:

http://twitter.com/stf_oficial

Sorry for the poor translation
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: cristinawelborn on December 21, 2009, 01:31:20 PM
I am very ignorant to how the Brazilian court system works, and I don't even try to understand...
 
I do have 2 questions for anyone that can answer,
 
1) HOW DO WE NOW THAT THE ABDUCTORS WILL NOT FILE AN APPEAL, and another stay order will stop whatever decision is made today? We have been down this road before, back in June...nothing happened.
 
2) If an order is given RETURN SEAN TO DAVID RIGHT NOW, what garantee do we have that there won't be a refusal to turn Sean over, I mean, obviously the family down there is afraid of nothing, and who is going to ENFORCE the court order?
 
I am at the edge of my seat, but remembering what has already happened, is this instance different?
 
Thank you to anyone who can explain...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Dan_Plainview on December 21, 2009, 01:32:20 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53736
Believe me, when the first instance judge on the night shift receives a FAX bearing the name of the Federal Supreme Court and the signature of its president, it will do everything that is needed as per that order ASAP.
 
By the way, the president of the Supreme Court is also president of the Council that disciplines judges.
 
And lastly, I would consider it more probable that Mendes, if he grants AGU's and David's request, will re-start the 48 your time period set by TRF-2 from when it stopped (i.e., will command that the delivery be made in 24 hours)

Thanks ... funny.

I had no idea (big surprise!) that the STF President would fax a request to 1st level night court. I thought Zamariola would have to request the warrant.

Thank you for your insight!!!!

Also, thanks for your reading on the 48/24 hour time limit ...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 01:32:55 PM
I am going to sue the Silva's for damaging my health.  I have high blood pressure as it is.  I would like to be financially reimbursed for its increase.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 01:33:20 PM
~ getting busy in here~ hope i dont miss anything...JL let me know if you need "anything" ..lol
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 01:34:12 PM
Update on Fox right now...still no decision though
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 01:34:17 PM
Just heard from a friend who is watching fox that they said a ruling could be announced any minute????? Can anyone w/ a boob tube confirm?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 01:34:19 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;53758
I am going to sue the Silva's for damaging my health. I have high blood pressure as it is. I would like to be financially reimbursed for its increase.

 
lon next on Fox
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 01:35:40 PM
Quote from: Herb Wife;53759
~ getting busy in here~ hope i dont miss anything...JL let me know if you need "anything" ..lol

Need a QP on the DL.......my frizzle....lol
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: katie on December 21, 2009, 01:37:19 PM
Fox News is talking about it now.  Still says they're waiting for a decision.

The reporter is saying it should come in the next few hours from the Supreme Chief Justice.   That horrible attorney says he will appeal.  The reporter is saying it's not looking good that David will get to bring him home before Christmas or get a decision before February.  

My God.  How long can they drag this on?   This is just the reporter's opinion it seems.

Now they're interviewing a slew of lawyers.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Genenut on December 21, 2009, 01:37:33 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;53758
I am going to sue the Silva's for damaging my health.  I have high blood pressure as it is.  I would like to be financially reimbursed for its increase.


Id like to bill them for all the paid work I haven't gotten done since the 16th waiting for the court to rule on their devious underhanded stalling tactics and finally do what they needed to do 5 years ago ....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: heather on December 21, 2009, 01:37:40 PM
Quote from: jl2saint;53764
Need a QP on the DL.......my frizzle....lol
LMAO I needed a good laugh today :D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lily on December 21, 2009, 01:37:42 PM
Fox is saying that they think the final decision will have to wait till February. Is that conjecture or fact?  Anyone else watching?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: carina on December 21, 2009, 01:38:34 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;53758
I am going to sue the Silva's for damaging my health.  I have high blood pressure as it is.  I would like to be financially reimbursed for its increase.


LOL It might be a FEW long years before you see anything from them. They are good at buying their way in court remember????
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 01:38:58 PM
Quote from: katie;53765
Fox News is talking about it now. Still says they're waiting for a decision.
 
The reporter is saying it should come in the next few hours from the Supreme Chief Justice. That horrible attorney says he will appeal. The reporter is saying it's not looking good that David will get to bring him home before Christmas or get a decision before February.
 
My God. How long can they drag this on? This is just the reporter's opinion it seems.
 
Now they're interviewing a slew of lawyers.

 
What are all of the other lawyers thinking?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lily on December 21, 2009, 01:38:59 PM
Fox is discussing the case, saying that this is not a custody case, that it is an abduction case.  Great job ladies!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 01:39:12 PM
Quote from: Lily;53768
Fox is saying that they think the final decision will have to wait till February. Is that conjecture or fact? Anyone else watching?

I think it's conjecture.
 
I just can't fathom the judge doing that...I mean talk about harming Sean!!!!  Not to mention the entire country of Brazil financially speaking!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: NJMOM on December 21, 2009, 01:39:55 PM
Conjecture.  Fox also says we may not hear decision till later tonight or tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: five4me on December 21, 2009, 01:39:57 PM
FoxNews' lawyers are at least hitting the nail on the head -- this is an abduction and not a custody case.   Wish more press/reporters would focus on this very clear distinction!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: katie on December 21, 2009, 01:40:00 PM
Fox is still reporting on it now saying that Sean belongs with David under the Hague Convention.  A lawyer is saying that the Brazilian Supreme Court is what is holding it up.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Grace on December 21, 2009, 01:40:09 PM
I am in a public place right now and iglued to my PDA....high anxiety
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 01:40:16 PM
Quote from: carina;53769
LOL It might be a FEW long years before you see anything from them. They are good at buying their way in court remember????

 
Ha ha, maybe we could all sue them, get a joint lawsuit, say all 55,000 supporters on here for "aggravation"
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 01:40:16 PM
Kimberly on FOX is brilliant! She said this is NOT a custody dispute, it is an abduction and the Brazillian family should not benefit from the fact that the boy is confused. !!! You tell 'em girl!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Genenut on December 21, 2009, 01:41:24 PM
I'd love to be a fly on the wall of Lulu's office as he gets called by the other 130 counties involved in special reduced tariff program telling him its not worth it to hold on the boy and to return him immediately so that their special considerations will continue uninterrupted ....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 01:41:32 PM
Quote from: Teena;53778
Kimberly on FOX is brilliant! She said this is NOT a custody dispute, it is an abduction and the Brazillian family should ot benefit from the fact that the boy is confused. !!! You tell 'em girl!
Didn't see it, but if that's what she said, GREAT!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: five4me on December 21, 2009, 01:42:52 PM
I swear Fox has been reading on here!  They are saying exactly what has been said on here for months.  
 
The only thing they could be doing better right now is to link Sean's case to the other cases in Brazil.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 01:42:56 PM
people..you can post comments to the shoddy CBS reporting saying that a decision has been made....here's the link.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/21/world/main6005329.shtml#comments
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: katie on December 21, 2009, 01:43:00 PM
Wow - they're giving this a lot of coverage and just embarrassing Brazil and their court system.  They're showing just how clear cut this should be.   A lawyer is saying that Sean just needs to be returned and that there is a chance this could happen before Christmas and that Brazil may just get it right this time.  But there's still a chance it could be a wait until February.  

Ugh!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 01:43:43 PM
Quote from: five4me;53782
I swear Fox has been reading on here! They are saying exactly what has been said on here for months.
 
The only thing they could be doing better right now is to link Sean's case to the other cases in Brazil.
At least they are pretty accurate, and keeping the public involved. Let's not bash them , they are helping.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 01:45:21 PM
Fair enough, Teena, it is just hard to hear he may not come home...so we would not like Fox to say that, we want good news only =(
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: heatheram29 on December 21, 2009, 01:45:59 PM
Dont mean to go off topic, but is anyone else getting a login request in this thread????
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 01:46:08 PM
Quote from: Teena;53786
At least they are pretty accurate, and keeping the public involved. Let's not bash them , they are helping.

agreed...while Fox may not be the best, at least they are not posting false articles as CBS did! WTH was THAT?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: mrbeansmom on December 21, 2009, 01:46:25 PM
I don't post much at all, but I have followed this case for a long time as well. I just watched the FOX news talk and I noticed they said the decision might not even be announced until late today OR tomorrow morning. And, yes, they did say the Brazilian attorney will appeal. I'm guessing that means even if the decision comes down after hours, they still won't be able to force them to hand Sean over. Arrgghh!! I'm supposed to be getting all sorts of baking and cooking done. I can't get my eyes off the darn computer............
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lily on December 21, 2009, 01:46:27 PM
I'm suspicious of ALL news reporting agencies.  However, the segment which was just broadcast on Fox was right on the money.  They later said it was their opinion that this case may drag on till February but that they hoped it would be resolved before Christmas.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: ChristineS on December 21, 2009, 01:47:11 PM
Good coverage on Fox News, but they MUST change the headline caption from "CUSTODY CASE" to "KIDNAPPING CASE".
 
So of course the Dark Pathetic Slime has their next appeal ready and waiting.  On pins and needles waiting to see the STF ruling, and specifically the wording.  All hopes and dreams go to an immediate return order with any further appeals to play out after Sean is permanently with his father.  And the rest they say, will be history!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 01:47:17 PM
Quote from: heatheram29;53790
Dont mean to go off topic, but is anyone else getting a login request in this thread????
yeah! from tribun something or other?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: cm on December 21, 2009, 01:47:31 PM
Quote from: heatheram29;53790
Dont mean to go off topic, but is anyone else getting a login request in this thread????


Only because of that one article posted a few pages back...just hit cancel and ignore it. ;)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 01:48:30 PM
Quote from: ChristineS;53794
Good coverage on Fox News, but they MUST change the headline caption from "CUSTODY CASE" to "KIDNAPPING CASE".
 
!
I wonder who we can contact to change that?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 01:48:38 PM
Tunevsk...can you help me understand something...
 
Earlier you said that if Mendes rules in David and Sean's favour, he would be sent home with his Father in 24 hours which is a continuation of the last order that was stopped after 24 hours.  Is that enough time for those animals to appeal AGAIN?!?  AND OMG at SOME point can't SOMEONE say ENOUGH! You are not allowed ANYMORE appeals??  This appeal thing is just getting ridiculous!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 01:48:52 PM
4:49 pm in Brazil and no news yet. The courts work till 7pm. The justice is still studying the case....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 01:49:51 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;53799
4:49 pm in Brazil and no news yet. The courts work till 7pm. The justice is still studying the case....

 
Oh for goodness sake, like he doesn't know everything about it already!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 01:49:58 PM
Wendy...here is a live stream you can install to watch FOX
 
http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?chanId=4&openAIR=true
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 01:50:16 PM
Quote from: momof3inPA;53800
Oh for goodness sake, like he doesn't know everything about it already!!
I was just going to say the same thing!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 01:50:58 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;53799
4:49 pm in Brazil and no news yet. The courts work till 7pm. The justice is still studying the case....

GAAAHHHh!  WHAT THE hell IS THERE TO STUDY?!?!?!/  I mean REALLY?!?!  He'd have to have been living under a rock to not know this case inside and out....unless he really is stalling to stop those animals from issuing a successful appeal....in which case, he has my permission to take his time!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: zipbags on December 21, 2009, 01:51:06 PM
The only thing the David's lawyers should tell this judge...

"What if it was YOUR son?"
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 01:51:10 PM
Quote from: heatheram29;53790
Dont mean to go off topic, but is anyone else getting a login request in this thread????


yea, it's weird. Dark side hackers???
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: cm on December 21, 2009, 01:51:21 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;53799
4:49 pm in Brazil and no news yet. The courts work till 7pm. The justice is still studying the case....

If he's studying it to make a ruling that cannot be appealed by the dark side, then by all means...STUDY it!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Sarita on December 21, 2009, 01:51:28 PM
Quote from: momof3inPA;53800
Oh for goodness sake, like he doesn't know everything about it already!!

Let's imagine that he's very carefully crafting a response to give the Dark Side the least number of options possible...

That helps me be patient ;)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lexi on December 21, 2009, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: Lily;53771
Fox is discussing the case, saying that this is not a custody case, that it is an abduction case. Great job ladies!!

Terrific! That makes all the difference in the world. One more thing - Chris Smith has been firing on all cylinders since the get-go. He ALWAYS hits it out of the park everytime he's interviewed
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 01:51:36 PM
Quote from: gail;53802
I was just going to say the same thing!

 
I guess the Gails think alike!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lily on December 21, 2009, 01:51:43 PM
Quote from: Wendy;53798
Tunevsk...can you help me understand something...
 
Earlier you said that if Mendes rules in David and Sean's favour, he would be sent home with his Father in 24 hours which is a continuation of the last order that was stopped after 24 hours. Is that enough time for those animals to appeal AGAIN?!? AND OMG at SOME point can't SOMEONE say ENOUGH! You are not allowed ANYMORE appeals?? This appeal thing is just getting ridiculous!!!

I thought that they can appeal all they want but the key to that is a judge must deem their appeal worthy of review and thereby issue a stay on the order to hand Sean over.  Even if the judge grants the appeal, does that necessarily mean the hand-over order must be stayed?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: mrbeansmom on December 21, 2009, 01:51:50 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;53799
4:49 pm in Brazil and no news yet. The courts work till 7pm. The justice is still studying the case....

I still don't get how the timing matters. I mean, if they can make the ruling after hours, can't they appeal it after hours? I seriously hope this is a real plan, but I just don't feel too confident that they'll be successful just sweeping him out of the country simply because they can't file an appeal till morning.......
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 01:52:29 PM
Quote from: Wendy;53798
Tunevsk...can you help me understand something...
 
Earlier you said that if Mendes rules in David and Sean's favour, he would be sent home with his Father in 24 hours which is a continuation of the last order that was stopped after 24 hours. Is that enough time for those animals to appeal AGAIN?!? AND OMG at SOME point can't SOMEONE say ENOUGH! You are not allowed ANYMORE appeals?? This appeal thing is just getting ridiculous!!!

That was my hope. My hope. I too hope. I don't know if there will be a time frame. I find it difficult that an order would be given commanding immediate police action without giving the dark side at least a few hours.
 
This is after all a child, and no one wants him delivered at gunpoint with laser weapons.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Sarita on December 21, 2009, 01:52:32 PM
Quote from: cmdealin;53807
If he's studying it to make a ruling that cannot be appealed by the dark side, then by all means...STUDY it!

:yeahthat:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 01:53:09 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;53799
4:49 pm in Brazil and no news yet. The courts work till 7pm. The justice is still studying the case....


What's there to study?:conf:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 01:53:31 PM


Quote:
Originally Posted by Wendy (http://bringseanhome.org/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif) (http://bringseanhome.org/forum/showthread.php?p=53798#post53798)
Tunevsk...can you help me understand something...

Earlier you said that if Mendes rules in David and Sean's favour, he would be sent home with his Father in 24 hours which is a continuation of the last order that was stopped after 24 hours. Is that enough time for those animals to appeal AGAIN?!? AND OMG at SOME point can't SOMEONE say ENOUGH! You are not allowed ANYMORE appeals?? This appeal thing is just getting ridiculous!!!


I thought that they can appeal all they want but the key to that is a judge must deem their appeal worthy of review and thereby issue a stay on the order to hand Sean over. Even if the judge grants the appeal, does that necessarily mean the hand-over order must be stayed?
 
 
Tunevsk..posting again in case you missed it...this thread is moving so quickly
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: chutt123 on December 21, 2009, 01:53:38 PM
Quote from: zipbags;53804
The only thing the David's lawyers should tell this judge...

"What if it was YOUR son?"


I totally agree they should say that to the court but its typically not allowed. Its called the "Golden Rule." IN the states, cases get tossed for that. But seriously what the heck is he studying?:conf:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Bill33 on December 21, 2009, 01:54:40 PM
I'm still thinking they could do the right thing TODAY and send Sean home:

The little fact that trade could very well be effected if this is put off until Feb has to be weighing on the minds of the powers to be in Brazil.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 01:54:56 PM
Quote from: Audax;53815
What's there to study?:conf:

Well, even if his mind is made up, he needs to write an opinion, explaining why he is overturing his colleague's ruling. So we are now in the process of drafting an opinion. Either an opinion that ends with the order we expect or an opinion that denies that order.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: zipbags on December 21, 2009, 01:55:33 PM
How can they appeal if this guy is the top Supreme court judge??
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 01:56:03 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53813
That was my hope. My hope. I too hope. I don't know if there will be a time frame. I find it difficult that an order would be given commanding immediate police action without giving the dark side at least a few hours.
 
This is after all a child, and no one wants him delivered at gunpoint with laser weapons.

agreed...but what I want to know is...how many appeals does a kidnapper get?  I mean can't Mendes say enough appeals...you have 24 hours to prepare Sean and produce him to his FATHER and NO MORE APPEALS WILL BE HEARD?!?  Is there NO judge who has the authority to do this?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 01:57:33 PM
Quote from: zipbags;53820
How can they appeal if this guy is the top Supreme court judge??

 
Hello? Have you been watching this case...?.....lol
 
They can appeal EVERYTHIING......I think I can appeal the ruling over there.....
 
I don't get it either but it seems to be that you can......:madgo:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: mrbeansmom on December 21, 2009, 01:57:57 PM
Quote from: Wendy;53821
agreed...but what I want to know is...how many appeals does a kidnapper get?  I mean can't Mendes say enough appeals...you have 24 hours to prepare Sean and produce him to his FATHER and NO MORE APPEALS WILL BE HEARD?!?  Is there NO judge who has the authority to do this?

From your mouth to God's ear.........
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: todez on December 21, 2009, 01:59:03 PM
Quote from: Wendy;53821
 Is there NO judge who has the authority to do this?

The STF judge could say no more appeals.  Lula could also issue an executive order to end this farce.  He could have done this LONG ago HAD HE WANTED TO!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 01:59:15 PM
Quote from: mrbeansmom;53812
I still don't get how the timing matters. I mean, if they can make the ruling after hours, can't they appeal it after hours? I seriously hope this is a real plan, but I just don't feel too confident that they'll be successful just sweeping him out of the country simply because they can't file an appeal till morning.......

I do know that appeals cannot be filed after hours
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lily on December 21, 2009, 01:59:55 PM
Fox is talking about the case again, saying that the courts close in a few minutes but they're still expecting a ruling today.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 01:59:58 PM
There are apparently 3100+ followers on the Google translation page of the STF Twitter page.  Wonder how many are following this case?!?!?!?!?!
 
:clapping: :clapping:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: NJMOM on December 21, 2009, 02:00:05 PM
Fox reporting again.  Wow they are giving this great coverage!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: KimmyRN on December 21, 2009, 02:00:21 PM
A ruling please. I cannot take it. I am praying for David and his family. Oh God please send Sean home today!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Sarita on December 21, 2009, 02:00:59 PM
I almost had a heart attack when STF's twitter updated, but it was only:

STF_oficial (http://twitter.com/STF_oficial)                              
         Empresário russo que patrocinou Corinthians ajuíza HC no Supremo contra apreensão de computadore
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 02:01:15 PM
Quote from: KimmyRN;53829
A ruling please. I cannot take it. I am praying for David and his family. Oh God please send Sean home today!
:yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: mrbeansmom on December 21, 2009, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: KimmyRN;53829
A ruling please. I cannot take it. I am praying for David and his family. Oh God please send Sean home today!

Me too!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 02:01:53 PM
Quote from: todez;53824
The STF judge could say no more appeals. Lula could also issue an executive order to end this farce. He could have done this LONG ago HAD HE WANTED TO!

INFURIATING!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Sandra on December 21, 2009, 02:02:15 PM
Quote from: Sarita;53830
I almost had a heart attack when STF's twitter updated, but it was only:


Me too!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 02:02:20 PM
Quote from: Sarita;53830
I almost had a heart attack when STF's twitter updated....

My heart stopped for a minute too!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lily on December 21, 2009, 02:02:26 PM
I have been closely following this case for over a year now and although I haven't posted since this past summer I have checked the site every day for news.  I cannot leave my computer today nor can I turn off my TV for fear of missing this long awaited decision!!  I am praying that Mendes does the right thing and sends Sean HOME!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 02:03:24 PM
Fox called it 'a very big story' and 'breaking news'. You betcha POTUS is watching and Brazil knows it.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 02:04:55 PM
Quote from: momof3inPA;53835
My heart stopped for a minute too!

what did it say??
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Sarita on December 21, 2009, 02:05:34 PM
Up at the top - only a mention of some other case.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 02:05:44 PM
I don't think anything that we don't already know.  Everytime I run to the TV it's over with!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Bill33 on December 21, 2009, 02:06:00 PM
562 people on the site, wow!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Bob D'Amico on December 21, 2009, 02:06:32 PM
Quote from: todez;53824
Lula could also issue an executive order to end this farce.  He could have done this LONG ago HAD HE WANTED TO!

Our thoughts exactly. Lula is well aware of what is going on and is alarmed about the "hold" on the GSP bill now in the Senate.

I would say that the two most reliable news sources right now are NBC and FOX. Because they are in direct contact with David and Congressman Smith.

BTW These forums are being read by FOX and NBC.  Do you understand?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 02:06:53 PM
552 people on line!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lexi on December 21, 2009, 02:06:58 PM
Like others here, I would rather that Gilmar Mendes take the time necessary to issue a bulletproof decision....like Pinto did. That's what counts, imo.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 02:07:17 PM
Quote from: jl2saint;53764
Need a QP on the DL.......my frizzle....lol

~ I'm stoked to oblige!~
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: chutt123 on December 21, 2009, 02:07:25 PM
Quote from: Lily;53836
I have been closely following this case for over a year now and although I haven't posted since this past summer I have checked the site every day for news.  I cannot leave my computer today nor can I turn off my TV for fear of missing this long awaited decision!!  I am praying that Mendes does the right thing and sends Sean HOME!!!!


I am so glad my boss is on vacation cause I am here and on twitter since I came in this morning! I am hoping for happy news coming so soon!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 02:07:43 PM
Quote from: Bob D'Amico;53843
BTW These forums are being read by FOX and NBC. Do you understand?
I understand!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 02:08:02 PM
Quote from: Bob D'Amico;53843
Our thoughts exactly. Lula is well aware of what is going on and is alarmed about the "hold" on the GSP bill now in the Senate.
 
I would say that the two most reliable news sources right now are NBC and FOX. Because they are in direct contact with David and Congressman Smith.
 
BTW These forums are being read by FOX and NBC. Do you understand?
Alright, well some props to Fox. Not normally a fan, but glad to have you on board for this one!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 02:08:30 PM
Quote from: zipbags;53820
How can they appeal if this guy is the top Supreme court judge??

Justice here has four tiers.
 
The first two tiers ruled in David's favour.
 
The second tier gave a ruling ordering Sean's return in two days.
 
That wouldn't leave time for an appeal to the third tier.
 
So Cruella went directly to the fouth tier and obtained a stay from a single justice. The full Court then went in recess. The presidency of the Court is on duty to answer urgent petitions.
 
David and the AGU then filed an action against that justice that granted the stay, and they requested an urgent antecipatory injunction.
 
If the petition by David and AGU is granted, it will void the stay that had been granted against the second tier order. The order from the second tier will come back to life.
 
But, unless an order from the presidency of the Supreme Court (fourth tier) expressly directs delivery of the boy, the revival of an order from the second tier will not stop Tostes from attempting to obtain a stay on different grounds from the third tier. Especially if Mendes only voids the current stay on the grounds that habeas corpus was not appropriate remedy. Then other remedies could be attempted.
 
But it is unlikely that the third tier would grant a stay after the President of the Supreme Court having overturned a fellow Supreme Court justice. Anyway, any stay granted by the third tier would only invite further action addressed to the fourth tier, and then the president could void that too, leaving no other remedy.
 
Of course, Mendes could end all doubts by using clear language commanding Sean's return.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 02:08:38 PM
Quote from: Bob D'Amico;53843
Our thoughts exactly. Lula is well aware of what is going on and is alarmed about the "hold" on the GSP bill now in the Senate.
 
I would say that the two most reliable news sources right now are NBC and FOX. Because they are in direct contact with David and Congressman Smith.
 
BTW These forums are being read by FOX and NBC. Do you understand?

Loud and clear uncle Bob.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 02:09:04 PM
Quote from: Lexi;53845
Like others here, I would rather that Gilmar Mendes take the time necessary to issue a bulletproof decision....like Pinto did. That's what counts, imo.


But bulletproof or not - Sean still is not back
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Bob D'Amico on December 21, 2009, 02:09:38 PM
Per Jim in the media thread:

LukieD will be appearing live in studio with Greg Jarrett today at 3:30 p.m. on Fox News.       
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 02:10:38 PM
12:30 my time
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Rio Gringa on December 21, 2009, 02:11:05 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53851
Justice here has four tiers.
 
The first two tiers ruled in David's favour.
 
The second tier gave a ruling ordering Sean's return in two days.
 
That wouldn't leave time for an appeal to the third tier.
 
So Cruella went directly to the fouth tier and obtained a stay from a single justice. The full Court then went in recess. The presidency of the Court is on duty to answer urgent petitions.
 
David and the AGU then filed an action against that justice that granted the stay, and they requested an urgent antecipatory injunction.
 
If the petition by David and AGU is granted, it will void the stay that had been granted against the second tier order. The order from the second tier will come back to life.
 
But, unless an order from the presidency of the Supreme Court (fourth tier) expressly directs delivery of the boy, the revival of an order from the second tier will not stop Tostes from attempting to obtain a stay on different grounds from the third tier. Especially if Mendes only voids the current stay on the grounds that habeas corpus was not appropriate remedy. Then other remedies could be attempted.
 
But it is unlikely that the third tier would grant a stay after the President of the Supreme Court having overturned a fellow Supreme Court justice. Anyway, any stay granted by the third tier would only invite further action addressed to the fourth tier, and then the president could void that too, leaving no other remedy.
 
Of course, Mendes could end all doubts by using clear language commanding Sean's return.

This is incredibly helpful. Thanks.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 02:11:07 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53851
Justice here has four tiers.
 
The first two tiers ruled in David's favour.
 
The second tier gave a ruling ordering Sean's return in two days.
 
That wouldn't leave time for an appeal to the third tier.
 
So Cruella went directly to the fouth tier and obtained a stay from a single justice. The full Court then went in recess. The presidency of the Court is on duty to answer urgent petitions.
 
David and the AGU then filed an action against that justice that granted the stay, and they requested an urgent antecipatory injunction.
 
If the petition by David and AGU is granted, it will void the stay that had been granted against the second tier order. The order from the second tier will come back to life.
 
But, unless an order from the presidency of the Supreme Court (fourth tier) expressly directs delivery of the boy, the revival of an order from the second tier will not stop Tostes from attempting to obtain a stay on different grounds from the third tier. Especially if Mendes only voids the current stay on the grounds that habeas corpus was not appropriate remedy. Then other remedies could be attempted.
 
But it is unlikely that the third tier would grant a stay after the President of the Supreme Court having overturned a fellow Supreme Court justice. Anyway, any stay granted by the third tier would only invite further action addressed to the fourth tier, and then the president could void that too, leaving no other remedy.
 
Of course, Mendes could end all doubts by using clear language commanding Sean's return.

 
Thank you SO much for making this easier to understand!!  
 
Let's pray that Mendes does use that clear language commanding Sean's return!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 21, 2009, 02:11:09 PM
Wish CBS could jump on board too and get some reliable info. Unless of course they're one step ahead of us and have a mole doing the file delivery down there!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: cm on December 21, 2009, 02:11:35 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53851
Justice here has four tiers.
 
The first two tiers ruled in David's favour.
 
The second tier gave a ruling ordering Sean's return in two days.
 
That wouldn't leave time for an appeal to the third tier.
 
So Cruella went directly to the fouth tier and obtained a stay from a single justice. The full Court then went in recess. The presidency of the Court is on duty to answer urgent petitions.
 
David and the AGU then filed an action against that justice that granted the stay, and they requested an urgent antecipatory injunction.
 
If the petition by David and AGU is granted, it will void the stay that had been granted against the second tier order. The order from the second tier will come back to life.
 
But, unless an order from the presidency of the Supreme Court (fourth tier) expressly directs delivery of the boy, the revival of an order from the second tier will not stop Tostes from attempting to obtain a stay on different grounds from the third tier. Especially if Mendes only voids the current stay on the grounds that habeas corpus was not appropriate remedy. Then other remedies could be attempted.
 
But it is unlikely that the third tier would grant a stay after the President of the Supreme Court having overturned a fellow Supreme Court justice. Anyway, any stay granted by the third tier would only invite further action addressed to the fourth tier, and then the president could void that too, leaving no other remedy.
 
Of course, Mendes could end all doubts by using clear language commanding Sean's return.

I am praying for Mendes to make the determination necessary to end all of this!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: heatheram29 on December 21, 2009, 02:11:40 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53851
Justice here has four tiers.
 
The first two tiers ruled in David's favour.
 
The second tier gave a ruling ordering Sean's return in two days.
 
That wouldn't leave time for an appeal to the third tier.
 
So Cruella went directly to the fouth tier and obtained a stay from a single justice. The full Court then went in recess. The presidency of the Court is on duty to answer urgent petitions.
 
David and the AGU then filed an action against that justice that granted the stay, and they requested an urgent antecipatory injunction.
 
If the petition by David and AGU is granted, it will void the stay that had been granted against the second tier order. The order from the second tier will come back to life.
 
But, unless an order from the presidency of the Supreme Court (fourth tier) expressly directs delivery of the boy, the revival of an order from the second tier will not stop Tostes from attempting to obtain a stay on different grounds from the third tier. Especially if Mendes only voids the current stay on the grounds that habeas corpus was not appropriate remedy. Then other remedies could be attempted.
 
But it is unlikely that the third tier would grant a stay after the President of the Supreme Court having overturned a fellow Supreme Court justice. Anyway, any stay granted by the third tier would only invite further action addressed to the fourth tier, and then the president could void that too, leaving no other remedy.
 
Of course, Mendes could end all doubts by using clear language commanding Sean's return.

 
For the first time I think I understand.. THANK YOU
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Sarita on December 21, 2009, 02:11:44 PM
Quote from: Bob D'Amico;53854
Per Jim in the media thread:

LukieD will be appearing live in studio with Greg Jarrett today at 3:30 p.m. on Fox News.        


What time zone?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lexi on December 21, 2009, 02:11:53 PM
Quote from: Audax;53853
But bulletproof or not - Sean still is not back

Point taken but this is a Supreme Court Judge while Pinto was a lower court judge. Besides Pinto's decision was upheld.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: NJMOM on December 21, 2009, 02:11:53 PM
Quote from: Bob D'Amico;53854
Per Jim in the media thread:

LukieD will be appearing live in studio with Greg Jarrett today at 3:30 p.m. on Fox News.        

Maybe we will all be celebrating by the then!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 02:12:37 PM
Quote from: Sarita;53863
What time zone?
eastern
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 02:13:45 PM
Excellent simplified explanation Tunevsk, Thanks as always. I think about what this thread would be like this afternoon without your insights. (Wendy's bladder, HerbWife smoking, JL dealing, most of the women gorging on chocolate.....and no real news)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Bill33 on December 21, 2009, 02:13:45 PM
A big thanks to Bob and Tunevsk for your explanations!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 02:14:35 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;53867
Excellent simplified explanation Tunevsk, Thanks as always. I think about what this thread would be like this afternoon without your insights. (Wendy's bladder, HerbWife smoking, JL dealing, most of the women gorging on chocolate.....and no real news)

:yeahthat:  :yeahthat:  :yeahthat:
 
 
ROFLMAO
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 02:14:40 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;53867
Excellent simplified explanation Tunevsk, Thanks as always. I think about what this thread would be like this afternoon without your insights. (Wendy's bladder, HerbWife smoking, JL dealing, most of the women gorging on chocolate.....and no real news)
LOL!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 02:14:48 PM
Besides still referring to this as a custody case from time to time, although they did report that it is not, FOX is doing a very good job today
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lily on December 21, 2009, 02:14:55 PM
Tunevsk, I always read your posts carefully, they explain so much.  I understand the time it takes you to respond so thoughtfully to all of our questions and I greatly appreciate it!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 02:14:56 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53851
Justice here has four tiers.
 
The first two tiers ruled in David's favour.
 
The second tier gave a ruling ordering Sean's return in two days.
 
That wouldn't leave time for an appeal to the third tier.
 
So Cruella went directly to the fouth tier and obtained a stay from a single justice. The full Court then went in recess. The presidency of the Court is on duty to answer urgent petitions.
 
David and the AGU then filed an action against that justice that granted the stay, and they requested an urgent antecipatory injunction.
 
If the petition by David and AGU is granted, it will void the stay that had been granted against the second tier order. The order from the second tier will come back to life.
 
But, unless an order from the presidency of the Supreme Court (fourth tier) expressly directs delivery of the boy, the revival of an order from the second tier will not stop Tostes from attempting to obtain a stay on different grounds from the third tier. Especially if Mendes only voids the current stay on the grounds that habeas corpus was not appropriate remedy. Then other remedies could be attempted.
 
But it is unlikely that the third tier would grant a stay after the President of the Supreme Court having overturned a fellow Supreme Court justice. Anyway, any stay granted by the third tier would only invite further action addressed to the fourth tier, and then the president could void that too, leaving no other remedy.
 
Of course, Mendes could end all doubts by using clear language commanding Sean's return.  [/[/SIZE]quote]
 
THANK YOU!! and let's hope Mendes does just that!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Sarita on December 21, 2009, 02:15:26 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;53867
Excellent simplified explanation Tunevsk, Thanks as always. I think about what this thread would be like this afternoon without your insights. (Wendy's bladder, HerbWife smoking, JL dealing, most of the women gorging on chocolate.....and no real news)


hehe heeee!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 02:17:14 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;53867
Excellent simplified explanation Tunevsk, Thanks as always. I think about what this thread would be like this afternoon without your insights. (Wendy's bladder, HerbWife smoking, JL dealing, most of the women gorging on chocolate.....and no real news)


We could also rename BSH to 'Colorful language 101'
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 02:19:53 PM
I wonder how many times I've hit "refresh" today?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: janelr on December 21, 2009, 02:19:53 PM
Quote from: momof3inPA;53869
:yeahthat: :yeahthat: :yeahthat:
 
 
ROFLMAO

Sadly I find myself in the "chocolate gorging" camp!!!!  J-
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lily on December 21, 2009, 02:20:10 PM
OK, I'm wondering about this one...When (not if!) Mendes rules in David's favor and when (because we know they will) the dark side appeals, and IF they can find a judge to grant a hearing of the appeal, does just the the acceptance of an appeal automatically mean a stay in the return of Sean?  I mean, technically, they can argue the appeal while Sean is in NJ, can't they????
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: dsturnerjr on December 21, 2009, 02:20:55 PM
To Tunevsk or anyone with an informed opinion:  Do we think that the delay here is a potential good sign?  I remember people saying last week that a quick ruling is a bad sign.  Perhaps Mendes is trying to make this ruling as iron clad as possible?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Sarita on December 21, 2009, 02:21:53 PM
Quote from: Lily;53879
OK, I'm wondering about this one...When (not if!) Mendes rules in David's favor and when (because we know they will) the dark side appeals, and IF they can find a judge to grant a hearing of the appeal, does just the the acceptance of an appeal automatically mean a stay in the return of Sean?  I mean, technically, they can argue the appeal while Sean is in NJ, can't they????

I suppose they could, but it would be pointless since david has already been granted full custody here in the u.s.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 21, 2009, 02:22:07 PM
As with Pinto's decision, I'm hoping any hold up means all of the I's are dotted and the T's crossed. ONCE AND FOR ALL!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 02:23:39 PM
Quote from: dsturnerjr;53880
To Tunevsk or anyone with an informed opinion: Do we think that the delay here is a potential good sign? I remember people saying last week that a quick ruling is a bad sign. Perhaps Mendes is trying to make this ruling as iron clad as possible?
That's what I am hoping. He's the head of the top court in Brazil. He HAS to make sure that his words match up with their law and the process being employed. He doesn't just tweet: "Sean goes" or "Sean stays".
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jlpoag on December 21, 2009, 02:23:42 PM
Quote from: Bob D'Amico;53854
Per Jim in the media thread:
 
LukieD will be appearing live in studio with Greg Jarrett today at 3:30 p.m. on Fox News.        

 
Can I watch this online?  I'm watching fox news right now but its all entertainment news.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Jackie in Upstate NY on December 21, 2009, 02:24:06 PM
Quote from: dsturnerjr;53880
To Tunevsk or anyone with an informed opinion: Do we think that the delay here is a potential good sign? I remember people saying last week that a quick ruling is a bad sign. Perhaps Mendes is trying to make this ruling as iron clad as possible?
Liken that IRONCLAD idea !!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 02:25:00 PM
Quote from: jlpoag;53884
Can I watch this online? I'm watching fox news right now but its all entertainment news.

found this but it's glitchy - could be because i am in canada
 
http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?chanId=4
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 02:25:08 PM
Fox is going to run an update again in a few minutes
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 02:26:30 PM
Quote from: Teena;53801
Wendy...here is a live stream you can install to watch FOX
 
http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?chanId=4&openAIR=true
Here is a live stream of FOX for those who want to watch LukieD
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jlpoag on December 21, 2009, 02:27:24 PM
Quote from: Wendy;53886
found this but it's glitchy - could be because i am in canada
 
http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?chanId=4

 
got it.  thanks.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 02:27:51 PM
Quote from: Wendy;53886
found this but it's glitchy - could be because i am in canada
 
http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?chanId=4

k...that's a link to the senate floor...not foxnews...anyone have a link on that?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 21, 2009, 02:29:20 PM
Why are they STILL CALLING IT A CUSTODY CASE!!!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: chopchop on December 21, 2009, 02:30:14 PM
Quote from: Teena;53888
Here is a live stream of FOX for those who want to watch LukieD

 
Teena, thank you so much!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 02:31:11 PM
Quote from: chopchop;53892
Teena, thank you so much!!!
Don't thank me yet. It may be just of the Senate floor
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 02:31:22 PM
Quote from: Teena;53888
Here is a live stream of FOX for those who want to watch LukieD

teena..that takes you to the senate floor
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 02:32:07 PM
Quote from: Wendy;53894
teena..that takes you to the senate floor
I see that now. Sorry!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: cm on December 21, 2009, 02:34:17 PM
I am now on my husband's laptop in front of the TV...I'm assuming that it's Fox News Live?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Diane on December 21, 2009, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: Herb Wife;53847
~ I'm stoked to oblige!~

LMAO...

Edit:

Oops..  just realized I'm logged in as my mom.. am visiting family in MI and using her computer :) (this is Carlos btw)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 02:34:51 PM
~what'd I miss?....cutomers keep getting in the way of my forum time! ( I am truly grateful for everyone of them :)....cant go through whole threads : )
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 02:34:54 PM
Makes me sick how evil the Silva's have been.  If they truly loved Sean they at the VERY LEAST wouldhave not cut him off from his father and allowed visitation all these years.  They deserve nothing
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: AnotherDad on December 21, 2009, 02:35:06 PM
Quote from: heatheram29;53790
Dont mean to go off topic, but is anyone else getting a login request in this thread????

I am and it is bothering me. WTH???:burn:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BrazaBoy on December 21, 2009, 02:35:15 PM
Remember that after this is over. Pinto's order for the family to pay all court costs and airline tickets to USA will be the cherry on top.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 02:35:42 PM
Quote from: Herb Wife;53899
~what'd I miss?....cutomers keep getting in the way of my forum time! ( I am truly grateful for everyone of them :)....cant go through whole threads : )

nothing yet...still waiting
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 02:36:04 PM
Quote from: BrazaBoy;53902
Remember that after this is over. Pinto's order for the family to pay all court costs and airline tickets to USA will be the cherry on top.

 
Amen!!
 
568 on the forums.....  :D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Sarita on December 21, 2009, 02:36:45 PM
Quote from: BrazaBoy;53902
Remember that after this is over. Pinto's order for the family to pay all court costs and airline tickets to USA will be the cherry on top.


Oooo! Niiiiiice!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 02:38:21 PM
Quote from: momof3inPA;53904
Amen!!
 
568 on the forums..... :D

Quote from: BrazaBoy;53902
Remember that after this is over. Pinto's order for the family to pay all court costs and airline tickets to USA will be the cherry on top.

 
Into ordered that?  How'd I miss that!?  Thats incredible
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 02:39:07 PM
Now it's 593 on the forums!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: whartn on December 21, 2009, 02:39:45 PM
I can only believe this delay in announcing the decision is good.I am worried in how David takes Sean away from that crazy evil lady.I also find JPLS`s silence very curious.I think Nonna has lost the support of JPLS and her husband.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: whartn;53908
I can only believe this delay in announcing the decision is good.I am worried in how David takes Sean away from that crazy evil lady.I also find JPLS`s silence very curious.I think Nonna has lost the support of JPLS and her husband.

 
Wouldn't it be appropriately ironic if Nonna ends up with a divorce over this?!?!?!?!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: SageDad on December 21, 2009, 02:42:17 PM
Kinda have a feeling that once the judge issues the return order today (I'm being optimistic I know) it's going to be like OJ in the white Bronco with sky cams following Nonna trying to take off on her white broom.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: momof3inPA;53909
Wouldn't it be appropriately ironic if Nonna ends up with a divorce over this?!?!?!?!


:D:D:D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: chutt123 on December 21, 2009, 02:42:40 PM
Quote from: BrazaBoy;53902
Remember that after this is over. Pinto's order for the family to pay all court costs and airline tickets to USA will be the cherry on top.


Totally awesome! I would love to see the look on their faces!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 02:43:04 PM
Quote from: whartn;53908
I can only believe this delay in announcing the decision is good.I am worried in how David takes Sean away from that crazy evil lady.I also find JPLS`s silence very curious.I think Nonna has lost the support of JPLS and her husband.
I said earlier today (based on nothing tangible,mind you) that I don't even think Jao wants Sean. It's all gramma now. I think junior privately can't wait to be done with this......and is too gutless to admit that and make it happen.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Leah on December 21, 2009, 02:43:42 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53851
Justice here has four tiers.
 
The first two tiers ruled in David's favour.
 
The second tier gave a ruling ordering Sean's return in two days.
 
That wouldn't leave time for an appeal to the third tier.
 
So Cruella went directly to the fouth tier and obtained a stay from a single justice. The full Court then went in recess. The presidency of the Court is on duty to answer urgent petitions.
 
David and the AGU then filed an action against that justice that granted the stay, and they requested an urgent antecipatory injunction.
 
If the petition by David and AGU is granted, it will void the stay that had been granted against the second tier order. The order from the second tier will come back to life.
 
But, unless an order from the presidency of the Supreme Court (fourth tier) expressly directs delivery of the boy, the revival of an order from the second tier will not stop Tostes from attempting to obtain a stay on different grounds from the third tier. Especially if Mendes only voids the current stay on the grounds that habeas corpus was not appropriate remedy. Then other remedies could be attempted.
 
But it is unlikely that the third tier would grant a stay after the President of the Supreme Court having overturned a fellow Supreme Court justice. Anyway, any stay granted by the third tier would only invite further action addressed to the fourth tier, and then the president could void that too, leaving no other remedy.
 
Of course, Mendes could end all doubts by using clear language commanding Sean's return.


Excellent distillation of the essentials! Thank you for this! :)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: janelr on December 21, 2009, 02:43:52 PM
Okay you guys are making me nervous counting the number of people on the forums.  I know Bob changed the server but remember what happened last time??  I was frantic after I couldn't get on the forum after the crash.  I've totally become co-dependent!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 02:43:55 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;53913
I said earlier today (based on nothing tangible,mind you) that I don't even think Jao wants Sean. It's all gramma now. I think junior privately can't wait to be done with this......and is too gutless to admit that and make it happen.
I agree.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: cm on December 21, 2009, 02:44:22 PM
Quote from: carlos;53910
Kinda have a feeling that once the judge issues the return order today (I'm being optimistic I know) it's going to be like OJ in the white Bronco with sky cams following her trying to take off on her white broom.

 
You give her a white broom?? LOL
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 02:45:54 PM
Quote from: carlos;53910
Kinda have a feeling that once the judge issues the return order today (I'm being optimistic I know) it's going to be like OJ in the white Bronco with sky cams following her trying to take off on her white broom.

Now I can't get that music out of my head - the one when the wicked witch in the Wizard of Oz is riding around on her broom!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 02:46:20 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;53883
That's what I am hoping. He's the head of the top court in Brazil. He HAS to make sure that his words match up with their law and the process being employed. He doesn't just tweet: "Sean goes" or "Sean stays".

 
Youre hilarious =)
 
Tweet, ha
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: M.Capestro on December 21, 2009, 02:47:14 PM
Quote from: Diane;53897
LMAO...
 
Edit:
 
Oops.. just realized I'm logged in as my mom.. am visiting family in MI and using her computer :) (this is Carlos btw)

LOL! First laugh I've had all day. Thank you, Carlos!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Jackie in Upstate NY on December 21, 2009, 02:47:54 PM
Quote from: janelr;53878
Sadly I find myself in the "chocolate gorging" camp!!!! J-
WELCOME ABOARD  - those special seashell shaped chocolates given to my husband yesterday are getting eyed !
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: DB4 on December 21, 2009, 02:48:44 PM
I've been out all day but trying to monitor BSH website from my blackberry.  Now I'm back.  Any idea whether it's likely we'll still hear today?   Isn't it late in Brazil?  I've been anxious all day!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 02:51:49 PM
Quote from: DB4;53924
I've been out all day but trying to monitor BSH website from my blackberry. Now I'm back. Any idea whether it's likely we'll still hear today? Isn't it late in Brazil? I've been anxious all day!

 
From what I have gathered on here and facebook, court closes at 7 pm (4pm EST) and hopefully theyre holding off til end of day to avoid appeals...just a thought...but the court does close at 7 says a friend in Brazil
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: chutt123 on December 21, 2009, 02:52:36 PM
The court just twittered:

STF já reconheceu repercussão geral em 177 matérias desde que o instituto foi implantado, em 2007. Outros 62 temas foram rejeitados


No clue what that means
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: SageDad on December 21, 2009, 02:52:43 PM
Quote
               Originally Posted by Tunevsk                (http://bringseanhome.org/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif) (http://bringseanhome.org/forum/showthread.php?p=53851#post53851)             
             Justice here has four tiers.
 
The first two tiers ruled in David's favour.
 
The second tier gave a ruling ordering Sean's return in two days.
 
That wouldn't leave time for an appeal to the third tier.
 
So Cruella went directly to the fouth tier and obtained a stay from a single justice. The full Court then went in recess. The presidency of the Court is on duty to answer urgent petitions.
 
David and the AGU then filed an action against that justice that granted the stay, and they requested an urgent antecipatory injunction.
 
If the petition by David and AGU is granted, it will void the stay that had been granted against the second tier order. The order from the second tier will come back to life.
 
But, unless an order from the presidency of the Supreme Court (fourth tier) expressly directs delivery of the boy, the revival of an order from the second tier will not stop Tostes from attempting to obtain a stay on different grounds from the third tier. Especially if Mendes only voids the current stay on the grounds that habeas corpus was not appropriate remedy. Then other remedies could be attempted.
 
But it is unlikely that the third tier would grant a stay after the President of the Supreme Court having overturned a fellow Supreme Court justice. Anyway, any stay granted by the third tier would only invite further action addressed to the fourth tier, and then the president could void that too, leaving no other remedy.
 
Of course, Mendes could end all doubts by using clear language commanding Sean's return.


Would be good to add this to the "Latest" thread
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: NJMOM on December 21, 2009, 02:52:47 PM
STF já reconheceu repercussão geral em 177 matérias desde que o instituto foi implantado, em 2007. Outros 62 temas foram rejeitados  2 minutes ag

this just in from STF--can anyone translate?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 02:53:42 PM
Do we know if the Federal Police are still following Sean's whereabouts?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Chuckles on December 21, 2009, 02:53:42 PM
Quote from: carlos;53928
Would be good to add this to the "Latest" thread
Good idea.  I'll do that Carlos/Diane/whoever you are... ;):D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Rio Gringa on December 21, 2009, 02:54:04 PM
Quote from: NJMOM;53929
STF já reconheceu repercussão geral em 177 matérias desde que o instituto foi implantado, em 2007. Outros 62 temas foram rejeitados  2 minutes ag

this just in from STF--can anyone translate?

It's not related to the case, just talking about the history of the STF.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Sarita on December 21, 2009, 02:54:08 PM
That tweet is not about Sean
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 02:54:19 PM
Quote from: NJMOM;53929
STF já reconheceu repercussão geral em 177 matérias desde que o instituto foi implantado, em 2007. Outros 62 temas foram rejeitados 2 minutes ag
 
this just in from STF--can anyone translate?

I could, but it suffices to say that it has nothing to do with our case.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: NJMOM;53929
STF já reconheceu repercussão geral em 177 matérias desde que o instituto foi implantado, em 2007. Outros 62 temas foram rejeitados 2 minutes ag
 
this just in from STF--can anyone translate?

google translator:
 
Supreme Court has recognized aproach in 177 subjects since the institute was established in 2007. Other 62 subjects were rejected 2 minutes ag
 
nothing pertinent
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: chutt123 on December 21, 2009, 02:54:58 PM
Quote from: Rio Gringa;53932
It's not related to the case, just talking about the history of the STF.


Thank you! I kept trying to use the translation thing but it wont work. lol
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Irish17 on December 21, 2009, 02:55:02 PM
Court closes at 7pm in brazil which will give people enough time to go to the beach still, Sean to be returned and board a flight home and granny to find her broom!!
 
I don't think that there is enough chocolate around to keep many of us going........
 
C'mon already issue the order, please Mendes do the right thing send Sean home with David TODAY!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: SageDad on December 21, 2009, 02:55:08 PM
Quote from: Chuckles;53931
Good idea.  I'll do that Carlos/Diane/whoever you are... ;):D

It's me now  I've commandeered the computer here :)

Edit:

me == Carlos ;)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 02:55:13 PM
Quote from: momof3inPA;53919
Now I can't get that music out of my head - the one when the wicked witch in the Wizard of Oz is riding around on her broom!!!


tada tada tadada...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Kimalecia on December 21, 2009, 02:55:51 PM
David,
 
Since seeing your story on Dateline, I have prayed for your son's return everyday.  I truly admire and respect how you have tirelessly worked to get your son returned.  The injustice and unfairness of this situation is truly beyond words.  With 2 children from a previous marriage, I can't fathom taking my kids away from their father - and we really don't even get along.  But, they love their dad and they miss him when they don't see him.  How could ANYONE not know that and not give you back YOUR son?  It is really incomprehensible to me.  I don't know that I would have had the patience you have had.  I have been on pins and needles all weekend and all day today waiting to hear what today's outcome will be.  I think I would have hired someone to kidnap him back.
 
God be with you and your beautiful son, now, when he returns, and in the years to come.   Please continue to update us and let us know how he is coping with the misconceptions he was given and the adjustment of returning to the US.   I do believe that with the help of the power of your love, he will overcome any hurt or misconception he has endured.
 
Hoping you have a truly Merry Christmas and a Joyous New Year!
 
Kim
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 02:55:53 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53930
Do we know if the Federal Police are still following Sean's whereabouts?

I would like to know this as well....granny whackjob makes me VERY nervous!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: NJMOM on December 21, 2009, 02:56:11 PM
Quote from: Rio Gringa;53932
It's not related to the case, just talking about the history of the STF.


thanks so much
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 02:56:15 PM
Quote from: chutt123;53936
Thank you! I kept trying to use the translation thing but it wont work. lol

 
Try this:
 
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://twitter.com/STF_Oficial&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://twitter.com/STF_oficial%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7CPMA_en&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhj-Y8_NNFMWQn22VnPeDzmG2-PTBw
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 02:56:19 PM
I am picking at my face with anxiety.  I am going to look like a pepperoni pizza...and had such lovely skin this morning
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: malalves on December 21, 2009, 02:56:44 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53930
Do we know if the Federal Police are still following Sean's whereabouts?

I was asking the same question... Is it possible that the Federal Police will be called to get Sean if Gilmar Mendes decides as everyone is expecting?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: DB4 on December 21, 2009, 02:57:07 PM
Sorry if I should know this - but question for those who seem to know -- has it been noted/confirmed that the judge will make a decision today or tomorrow or before Christmas for that matter?  Is there any possibility the decision can drag out into New Year?  I hope not!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tstravis on December 21, 2009, 02:57:10 PM
remember everybody...not to be negative or anything, but...
 
even if the decision comes in and is favorable, the wheels are not up... after last June, i understand why David has this in his head...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sandy on December 21, 2009, 02:57:12 PM
cnn david story  after the break!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 02:57:39 PM
Quote from: malalves;53946
I was asking the same question... Is it possible that the Federal Police will be called to get Sean if Gilmar Mendes decides as everyone is expecting?

 
I can't see the Dark Side turning Sean over any other way.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 02:57:39 PM
Quote from: malalves;53946
I was asking the same question... Is it possible that the Federal Police will be called to get Sean if Gilmar Mendes decides as everyone is expecting?

that is sooo worrisome.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tenorplus on December 21, 2009, 02:58:56 PM
Quote from: Bill33;53868
A big thanks to Bob and Tunevsk for your explanations!
:yeahthat::yeahthat: moving so fast it is hard to keep up (and still work!)... keep praying everyone!!! Thanks to ALL the support we are getting from Chris Smith (and others in Congress)... Fox News... Bob... LukieD... etc. Hang in there David (and Sean)!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 02:59:05 PM
I'll have to leave at about 19:00hrs.
 
I have a dinner tonight I can't miss.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 02:59:18 PM
watching CNN  saying that it will be tomorrow.  GAAAHHH!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: five4me on December 21, 2009, 03:00:14 PM
CNN says decision *might* come down tomorrow.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Karensue on December 21, 2009, 03:00:27 PM
Quote from: chutt123;53927
The court just twittered:

STF já reconheceu repercussão geral em 177 matérias desde que o instituto foi implantado, em 2007. Outros 62 temas foram rejeitados


No clue what that means


This is what my translator says:

Supreme Court has recognized aproach in 177 subjects since the institute was established in 2007.
Other 62 subjects were rejected
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: janelr on December 21, 2009, 03:00:33 PM
Quote from: Irish17;53937
Court closes at 7pm in brazil which will give people enough time to go to the beach still, Sean to be returned and board a flight home and granny to find her broom!!
 
I don't think that there is enough chocolate around to keep many of us going........
 
C'mon already issue the order, please Mendes do the right thing send Sean home with David TODAY!!!!

----
 
Ahhh - speak for yourself my BSH.org pal - there is always enough chocolate!!!  I'll open my stash to any of my BSH buds when the wheels are up!! :)
J-
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 03:00:37 PM
Quote from: Wendy;53951
that is sooo worrisome.

 
Theyd probably have to, no?  Which will be terrifying for him I am sure, but may be the only way- and the fault of the Silva's.
 
His family and friends at home are wonderful people, he'll be more than fine, just needs some time.
 
I really hope they just get this ruling today overwith and bring him back to NJ.  Marine Park will go nuts
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: SageDad on December 21, 2009, 03:00:43 PM
Quote from: lbl;53955
CNN: verdict could happen tomorrow

Does that mean they are sure it won't be today?!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: malalves on December 21, 2009, 03:00:56 PM
Quote from: Wendy;53951
that is sooo worrisome.

In fact nobody knows where Sean is. We can expect anything from this family. Certainly hiding the kid is not the smartest thing to do...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Bree on December 21, 2009, 03:00:58 PM
Quote from: lbl;53955
CNN: verdict could happen tomorrow

Don't they know we're out of chocolate!  ;)  NOTE:  I've had NO chocolate today, yet.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: chutt123 on December 21, 2009, 03:01:50 PM
Quote from: momof3inPA;53944
Try this:
 
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://twitter.com/STF_Oficial&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://twitter.com/STF_oficial%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7CPMA_en&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhj-Y8_NNFMWQn22VnPeDzmG2-PTBw



Thanks Mom. Teaches me to use yahoo search. It kept saying invalid lol
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 03:02:34 PM
Quote from: malalves;53961
In fact nobody knows where Sean is. We can expect anything from this family. Certainly hiding the kid is not the smartest thing to do...

I have a feeling someone has their eyes on him in the event they tried to flee...which would be just plain ridiculous
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 03:03:23 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;53964
I have a feeling someone has their eyes on him in the event they tried to flee...which would be just plain ridiculous

 
Like these people are paragons of good sense.....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: hmjarc on December 21, 2009, 03:03:25 PM
So, the decision won't come out until tomorrow now?!?!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 03:04:44 PM
Quote from: malalves;53946
I was asking the same question... Is it possible that the Federal Police will be called to get Sean if Gilmar Mendes decides as everyone is expecting?

Quote from: hmjarc;53966
So, the decision won't come out until tomorrow now?!?!

according to CNN...Tunevsk...any updates??
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: DB4 on December 21, 2009, 03:05:15 PM
Quote from: hmjarc;53966
So, the decision won't come out until tomorrow now?!?!

I can't take this delay!  Please, please -- make the decision and get Sean home now!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: malalves on December 21, 2009, 03:05:32 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;53964
I have a feeling someone has their eyes on him in the event they tried to flee...which would be just plain ridiculous

Well, that would be just another absurd thing for them to do. But are they known for their stability and willingness to accept court decisions?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 03:05:44 PM
Quote from: momof3inPA;53965
Like these people are paragons of good sense.....

Obviously not, but realistically, where are they going to hide?  And for how long?  It wouldnt work. And then they would be in even more serious legal trouble. (though legal trouble doesnt seem to really worry them)
 
Come on Mendes....be a hero, not a schmuck.  Sorry, can I say schmuck on here?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Chuckles on December 21, 2009, 03:06:17 PM
CNN didn't cite a source for any delay, just that it was getting late.  I wouldn't be surprised to hear something today, still.  Not until/unless STF tweets otherwise.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 03:06:21 PM
I'm stil in my pj's waiting!  Now I've bit my tongue eating pretzels!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: hmjarc on December 21, 2009, 03:07:10 PM
From checking my computer so much I'm actually getting a headache!  I wish they would make up their mind as to when this announcement will come.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 03:07:35 PM
Quote from: gail;53972
I'm stil in my pj's waiting! Now I've bit my tongue eating pretzels!

 
If you were eating chocolate like the rest of us that probably wouldn't have happened!
 
Just sayin'.....   ;)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 03:08:05 PM
Quote from: hmjarc;53966
So, the decision won't come out until tomorrow now?!?!

We don't know for sure. But, if it takes this long to prepare, then I believe it is a good sign.
 
If Mendes grants the order we are hoping for, he will be overturning Marco Aurélio, and the two will certainly clash at the next meeting of the full Court over this.
 
So, he would need a heavily backed up ruling to end this right away, whereas, for deniying mandamus there are several models of petitions archived in the Court's computers. It would be just cut and paste, invoking some thecnicallity.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 03:08:16 PM
WHATS HAPPENING!!!???????
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: janelr on December 21, 2009, 03:10:21 PM
Quote from: Herb Wife;53976
WHATS HAPPENING!!!???????

Stay calm and eat chocolate!  Wouldn't it be great if we could all be sitting together holding hands but thanks to Bob for our "virtual" hand holding forum!!!!!
 
J-
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 03:10:51 PM
Quote from: momof3inPA;53974
If you were eating chocolate like the rest of us that probably wouldn't have happened!
 
Just sayin'..... ;)
I don't like chocolate!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tenorplus on December 21, 2009, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: Chuckles;53971
CNN didn't cite a source for any delay, just that it was getting late. I wouldn't be surprised to hear something today, still. Not until/unless STF tweets otherwise.
Late in the day might not be the worst thing... as long as Mendes rules on this as it should be: SEAN MUST COME HOME! Mendes (and Lula) I am confident are aware of the ramifications of this bogus game they have played thus far... and Congress needs to HOLD THAT BILL and let Brazil "feel" the loss of $2.7 (+) billion!!!! As they say ~ money speaks... and hope they have "clean ears" to hear and shut the dark side off for good. THEN, they can start to release the other abducted children... as the entire world watches!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Chuckles on December 21, 2009, 03:11:45 PM
Quote from: Herb Wife;53976
WHATS HAPPENING!!!???????
We need chocolate covered pretzels for Gail...
STAT!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Genenut on December 21, 2009, 03:12:13 PM
Quote from: gail;53978
I don't like chocolate!

Also hard to do when drinking wine ... may I suggest a glass ? ;):D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tenorplus on December 21, 2009, 03:12:38 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;53975
We don't know for sure. But, if it takes this long to prepare, then I believe it is a good sign.
 
If Mendes grants the order we are hoping for, he will be overturning Marco Aurélio, and the two will certainly clash at the next meeting of the full Court over this.
 
So, he would need a heavily backed up ruling to end this right away, whereas, for deniying mandamus there are several models of petitions archived in the Court's computers. It would be just cut and paste, invoking some thecnicallity.
Thanks for the updates!!!!!! These are really quite helpful.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 03:12:55 PM
Quote from: janelr;53977
Stay calm and eat chocolate! Wouldn't it be great if we could all be sitting together holding hands but thanks to Bob for our "virtual" hand holding forum!!!!!
 
J-

 
THANKS BOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 03:13:14 PM
Quote from: Genenut;53981
Also hard to do when drinking wine ... may I suggest a glass ? ;):D

 
It's 5 o'clock somewhere - like Brazil!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 03:13:30 PM
Anyone local to the area, if by the grace of God we get a good answer tonight, drinks at Vals in Rumson to celebrate, anyone from the area please join!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 03:14:33 PM
Quote from: hmjarc;53973
From checking my computer so much I'm actually getting a headache! .

I wish it was that...i think my headache is my blood pressure going up!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 03:14:54 PM
Quote from: gail;53978
I don't like chocolate!


Ice cream???
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: ana-boston on December 21, 2009, 03:15:31 PM
510 people connected. That is great! People in Brazil are anxious too.
My mom is in Brazil. I just called her, she told me she has been praying the entire day so Sean can come home with his dad! Let's keep praying!! Hope good news come soon.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Genenut on December 21, 2009, 03:15:40 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;53985
Anyone local to the area, if by the grace of God we get a good answer tonight, drinks at Vals in Rumson to celebrate, anyone from the area please join!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll raise a glass when the wheels are up and over us airspace .... til then I'll just grin like a mad person if the news is good....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 03:16:57 PM
http://www.parentdish.com/2009/12/21/update-judge-says-american-boy-must-stay-in-brazil/
 
 
Is that just outdated?  It appeared as news of the hour, but thats last weeks BS, right?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: hmjarc on December 21, 2009, 03:17:32 PM
Quote from: Wendy;53986
I wish it was that...i think my headache is my blood pressure going up!

Maybe it's that too.  It's kinda like a kid at Christmas.  Don't dangle a wonderful gift in front of me and then make me wait!  I'm certainly not getting anything done around my house.  Who needs clean clothes anyway ;)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 03:17:45 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;53991
http://www.parentdish.com/2009/12/21/update-judge-says-american-boy-must-stay-in-brazil/
 
 
Is that just outdated?  It appeared as news of the hour, but thats last weeks BS, right?


Yes, that's not 'news' it's 'olds'
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 03:17:58 PM
Quote from: janelr;53977
Stay calm and eat chocolate! Wouldn't it be great if we could all be sitting together holding hands but thanks to Bob for our "virtual" hand holding forum!!!!!
 
J-

 
~ Kumbaya My Lord...Kumbaya....lol... ..breaking open the Gabatrol again folks!~
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 03:18:04 PM
Quote from: Audax;53987
Ice cream???
I love ice cream!  Problem is, my 4 year old has the flu so I can't go anywhere!  He still refuses to eat.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 03:18:13 PM
I keep telling myself that Tostes would not have come out and asked for 'negotiations' if he knew for a fact that this appeal would not be looked at until February.  

It makes me feel better - but so does the chocolate, and the captain & cokes!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 03:18:25 PM
Ok, I think that is just outdated.  Hey ParentDish, youre nice and all, but could you beat it for a while, you almost gave me a heart attack!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 03:18:53 PM
Quote from: gail;53995
I love ice cream!  Problem is, my 4 year old has the flu so I can't go anywhere!  He still refuses to eat.


awe, hope he gets better soon
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 03:19:02 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;53991
http://www.parentdish.com/2009/12/21/update-judge-says-american-boy-must-stay-in-brazil/
 
 
Is that just outdated? It appeared as news of the hour, but thats last weeks BS, right?

 
Yes, it refers to "Wednesday" and that David "will be filing" with the court, which has already happened.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 03:19:59 PM
Quote from: Herb Wife;53994
~ Kumbaya My Lord...Kumbaya....lol... ..breaking open the Gabatrol again folks!~
Look out!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Jackie in Upstate NY on December 21, 2009, 03:20:18 PM
Then there is always HERBS - more natural and healthy too ... thats the direction alright .... what the heck - after menopause - I think it becomes legal (ya just gotta laugh or we'll all be in hysterics !)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Genenut on December 21, 2009, 03:21:01 PM
Quote from: ana-boston;53989
510 people connected.
when I checked it was up to 660 ! ... at this rate we will break the record set when the last big ruling came out in June....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 03:21:21 PM
Quote from: Herb Wife;53994
~ Kumbaya My Lord...Kumbaya....lol... ..breaking open the Gabatrol again folks!~

 
Great, I've gone from the Wicked Witch theme music to Kumbaya.....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: nina on December 21, 2009, 03:21:28 PM
I go into globo.com...refresh...no news..! Then I go back to BSH...refresh...nada!! Back and forth...

I really hope to see the good news today. Tonight. NOW!!!!!!

All my thoughts with David!:D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 03:22:42 PM
Quote from: nina;54005
I go into globo.com...refresh...no news..! Then I go back to BSH...refresh...nada!! Back and forth...
 
I really hope to see the good news today. Tonight. NOW!!!!!!
 
All my thoughts with David!:D
Will globo post it?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: chutt123 on December 21, 2009, 03:25:44 PM
Quote from: Genenut;54003
when I checked it was up to 660 ! ... at this rate we will break the record set when the last big ruling came out in June....


I thought the ruling came out when I just got back to my desk. Four pages of new messages. Hoping it comes soon!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: nina on December 21, 2009, 03:25:45 PM
Well...good point! But last time (June) I think they were pretty fast giving the news...

I say globo.com, to mention some of the sites I am going in!!

:clapping:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 03:26:30 PM
Quote from: lovellboys;53996
I keep telling myself that Tostes would not have come out and asked for 'negotiations' if he knew for a fact that this appeal would not be looked at until February.
 
It makes me feel better - but so does the chocolate, and the captain & cokes!

 
ha ha
 
 
Red Wine for me.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lexi on December 21, 2009, 03:26:44 PM
I can't help thinking about David's parents. Must be extremely stressful - it's been a very long time since they've seen their grandson. They seem as dignified and strong as David is.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: shaine on December 21, 2009, 03:26:56 PM
This is beyond nerve wracking! I can only imagine what David is going through.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 03:27:04 PM
Curiosity, how do you become a senior member?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jjsaunt on December 21, 2009, 03:27:05 PM
I just got to a computer and am off to read... many, many pages of this thread - wow over 500 people on this website today.  All members should be adding short tags to the bottom of their messages telling the newbees about BSH mission while we have such an audience.
 
What should be the name of the Thread we are all waiting for - the moment David and Sean are on the plane.  I am voting for "Wheels Up"
 
 
 
New visitors:   read the stickys on HR 3240 & 2702 - contact your congressman - Sean isn't the only child in this situation.  The US needs to change how it handles the international abduction of children.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 03:27:29 PM
does anyone have a link to the fox interview with lukied?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: mrbeansmom on December 21, 2009, 03:28:13 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;54012
Curiosity, how do you become a senior member?

It's been my experience on other forums that you have to reach a certain amount of posts made.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 03:28:16 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;54012
Curiosity, how do you become a senior member?


once you hit 100 posts
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 03:28:29 PM
Quote from: jjsaunt;54013
I just got to a computer and am off to read... many, many pages of this thread - wow over 500 people on this website today. All members should be adding short tags to the bottom of their messages telling the newbees about BSH mission while we have such an audience.
 
What should be the name of the Thread we are all waiting for - the moment David and Sean are on the plane. I am voting for "Wheels Up"
 
 
 
New visitors: read the stickys on HR 3240 & 2702 - contact your congressman - Sean isn't the only child in this situation. The US needs to change how it handles the international abduction of children.

 
I am all for it, WHEELS UP
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 03:28:29 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;54012
Curiosity, how do you become a senior member?

goes by the number of posts.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 03:29:06 PM
Gotcha, Ive been reading the past year but not posting until today, looks like I better get my little fingers typing moreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeee
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 03:29:20 PM
anyone have a link to LukieD's interview??
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: mgs2510 on December 21, 2009, 03:29:21 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/21/world/main6005329.shtml
 
I hope they're wrong!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 03:29:38 PM
Quote from: Audax;54016
once you hit 100 posts

Oh wow, at that rate I just might make it, haha
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Jackie in Upstate NY on December 21, 2009, 03:29:58 PM
Quote from: gail;53978
I don't like chocolate!

Quote from: jjsaunt;54013
I just got to a computer and am off to read... many, many pages of this thread - wow over 500 people on this website today. All members should be adding short tags to the bottom of their messages telling the newbees about BSH mission while we have such an audience.
 
What should be the name of the Thread we are all waiting for - the moment David and Sean are on the plane. I am voting for "Wheels Up"
 
 
 
New visitors: read the stickys on HR 3240 & 2702 - contact your congressman - Sean isn't the only child in this situation. The US needs to change how it handles the international abduction of children.
YOUR ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ! FIRST and FOREMOST ! In for the long haul and ready to proceed with team BSH !
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 03:30:04 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;54019
Gotcha, Ive been reading the past year but not posting until today, looks like I better get my little fingers typing moreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeee


it goes by number of posts, not number of eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ees :D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 03:30:13 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;54012
Curiosity, how do you become a senior member?
I think it is just automatic based on time/number of posts.  That or you have to send Bob a really nice gift.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 03:30:21 PM
Quote from: mgs2510;54021
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/21/world/main6005329.shtml
 
I hope they're wrong!

 
Thats just their dopey story from this morning without merit
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Bree on December 21, 2009, 03:30:39 PM
Quote from: Wendy;54014
does anyone have a link to the fox interview with lukied?

No link...but they said theywill discuss in 2.5 mins.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Eccaka on December 21, 2009, 03:31:11 PM
Quote from: Wendy;54020
anyone have a link to LukieD's interview??


He'll be on in 2 minutes
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 03:31:47 PM
Quote from: Audax;54025
it goes by number of posts, not number of eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ees :D

 
how about funny faces?  Haha
:cheer:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 03:31:48 PM
Quote from: mgs2510;54021
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/21/world/main6005329.shtml
 
I hope they're wrong!

they are...read the comments section...they posted this before mendes even had the papers in his hands. irresponsible journalism IMO
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 21, 2009, 03:31:58 PM
my vote is for "WHEELS UP"!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 03:32:32 PM
Quote from: Eccaka;54030
He'll be on in 2 minutes

I don't get Fox here!!!  :madgo::madgo::madgo::madgo:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Aida on December 21, 2009, 03:33:05 PM
Now on Fox Studio B
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Sandra on December 21, 2009, 03:33:08 PM
"WHEELS UP" , My vote too.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: chutt123 on December 21, 2009, 03:33:38 PM
Quote from: Wendy;54032
they are...read the comments section...they posted this before mendes even had the papers in his hands. irresponsible journalism IMO


Totally irresponsible. That is just wrong. I am loving JeffRosen's tweets
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Sarita on December 21, 2009, 03:33:47 PM
the interview/story is on!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Bree on December 21, 2009, 03:34:03 PM
And, here's LukieD.....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: SageDad on December 21, 2009, 03:35:12 PM
arrghh.. how can I watch it online!?  No cable here.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Jackie in Upstate NY on December 21, 2009, 03:35:23 PM
"ALL WHEELS UP TOGETHER"" with the Earth in the wheel
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: cm on December 21, 2009, 03:35:27 PM
Caption still says 'Custody Case'
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Aida on December 21, 2009, 03:35:39 PM
Still waiting.....i might get drunk with non alcoholic Eggnog! Hate this wait. LukieD speaking....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 03:36:20 PM
Quote from: carlos;54040
arrghh.. how can I watch it online!? No cable here.
I can't get the online stream. company firewall.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: carlos;54040
arrghh.. how can I watch it online!? No cable here.

DITTO!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 03:36:56 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;54044
I can't get the online stream. company firewall.

CAN U POST THE LINK PLEASE!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: janelr on December 21, 2009, 03:38:11 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;54044
I can't get the online stream. company firewall.

 
Is there an online stream site? I thought the one earlier was to the Senate rather than FoxNews.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: ana-boston on December 21, 2009, 03:38:15 PM
Quote from: mgs2510;54021
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/21/world/main6005329.shtml
 
I hope they're wrong!

Is this right? not news is Brazil is reporting this? until February? it cannot be true
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Bree on December 21, 2009, 03:38:17 PM
The interview is over.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Aida on December 21, 2009, 03:38:48 PM
Gregg Jerrett says not right to put a 9 yr old to testify.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: SageDad on December 21, 2009, 03:38:56 PM
can watch here:

http://freetubetv.net/index.php?view=1Zm94bmV3cw

Think I missed it.. on commercials now.. what did he say?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 03:39:04 PM
Quote from: ana-boston;54048
Is this right? not news is Brazil is reporting this? until February? it cannot be true

this is wrong
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: heather on December 21, 2009, 03:39:16 PM
Quote from: Bree;54049
The interview is over.
How did it go?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: hmjarc on December 21, 2009, 03:39:22 PM
Quote from: Bree;54049
The interview is over.

What did he say? :conf:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 03:39:46 PM
Quote from: Bree;54049
The interview is over.
 
 
:mad2:GAHH!:madgo:
 
how was it?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: DB4 on December 21, 2009, 03:40:29 PM
Quote from: heather;54054
How did it go?

Great - LukieD made all the key points and Fox News interviewer agreed all the way through.  Now we need the court to do the same!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Jackie in Upstate NY on December 21, 2009, 03:40:51 PM
THIS IS A CLEAR CUT CASE OF KIDNAPPING
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 03:40:53 PM
Quote from: ana-boston;54048
Is this right? not news is Brazil is reporting this? until February? it cannot be true
No, ignore this. CBS shoddy, out of date and hearsay reporting.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: heather on December 21, 2009, 03:41:04 PM
Quote from: DB4;54057
Great - LukieD made all the key points and Fox News interviewer agreed all the way through. Now we need the court to do the same!
:yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: hmjarc on December 21, 2009, 03:41:22 PM
Quote from: DB4;54057
Great - LukieD made all the key points and Fox News interviewer agreed all the way through. Now we need the court to do the same!

Did they comment on when they felt the decision would be handed down??
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 03:41:33 PM
I couldnt access it either, what did he say/>
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Aida on December 21, 2009, 03:41:41 PM
If no decision today maybe tomorrow morning said LukieD.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 03:42:02 PM
Gotta run to the store....be back later
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 03:42:14 PM
I cannot imagine even Mendes wants this dragged on throughout the holidays, just get on with it!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: DB4 on December 21, 2009, 03:42:20 PM
Quote from: hmjarc;54061
Did they comment on when they felt the decision would be handed down??

No, LukieD has been communicated with David but everyone is on "pins and needles". LukieD said it's not a given we will hear today, but at least hopes for tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 03:42:34 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;54062
I couldnt access it either, what did he say/>

I'm sure he was excellent as usual.  WTG LukieD....David is so lucky to have you!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 03:42:39 PM
Quote from: Aida;54063
If no decision today maybe tomorrow morning said LukieD.
Good. Sean's last night in hell.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: ana-boston on December 21, 2009, 03:42:47 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;54059
No, ignore this. CBS shoddy, out of date and hearsay reporting.
Ok!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: hmjarc on December 21, 2009, 03:42:47 PM
Quote from: Aida;54063
If no decision today maybe tomorrow morning said LukieD.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall of the judge's chambers!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lexi on December 21, 2009, 03:43:28 PM
Does anyone know, is Tom Shannon already at the US embassy in Brasilia? I know LukieD said something about him recently though I can't remember exactly what. It would be good to have a full-fledged ambassador there.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 03:44:04 PM
They should tell people tomrrow but fly them out overnight, and put a gag on the Silva's they cannot leak it, so David and Sean can leave peacefully...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: JamesJosephs on December 21, 2009, 03:44:19 PM
That was one of the best interviews I have seen.
 
Greg Jarrett asked all of the right questions and seemed very knowledgeable about the case.  Very unusual for a reporter on this case.
 
LukieD knocked it out of the ballpark!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 03:45:19 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;54072
They should tell people tomrrow but fly them out overnight, and put a gag on the Silva's they cannot leak it, so David and Sean can leave peacefully...

 
The Dark Side would just appeal the gag order!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 03:45:32 PM
Quote from: JamesJosephs;54073
That was one of the best interviews I have seen.
 
Greg Jarrett asked all of the right questions and seemed very knowledgeable about the case. Very unusual for a reporter on this case.
 
LukieD knocked it out of the ballpark!

As he always does.  :clapping::clapping::clapping:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: JamesJosephs on December 21, 2009, 03:45:48 PM
Quote from: Lexi;54071
Does anyone know, is Tom Shannon already at the US embassy in Brasilia? I know LukieD said something about him recently though I can't remember exactly what. It would be good to have a full-fledged ambassador there.

 
My understanding is that the procedural hurdles holding up his nomination have been removed, but he has not been stationed yet.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: shaine on December 21, 2009, 03:45:49 PM
Anyone think there could be a delay due to flight weather conditions in New Jersey?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 03:46:24 PM
According to Tunevsk, this is good that it is taking so long.....let's hope he's right!  LukieD was great, it was a good interview.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: chopchop on December 21, 2009, 03:46:46 PM
According to CBS, Mendes decided to wait until the full court reconvenes in February. Looks like it's back to waiting. Minster Mendes, no hero here.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 03:47:09 PM
Quote from: shaine;54077
Anyone think there could be a delay due to flight weather conditions in New Jersey?

 
I vote for what someone said the other day - get on a plane going ANYWHERE, just get out, then worry about getting to NJ!!!
 
:) :) :)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 03:47:31 PM
Quote from: chopchop;54079
According to CBS, Mendes decided to wait until the full court reconvines in Feburary. Looks like it's back to waiting. Minster Mendes, no hero here.
That's not correct.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 03:47:50 PM
Quote from: chopchop;54079
According to CBS, Mendes decided to wait until the full court reconvines in Feburary. Looks like it's back to waiting. Minster Mendes, no hero here.

Don't go by CBS chop.....
 
They might be right, but we don't think it's a given or even accurate reporting.....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 03:47:57 PM
Quote from: chopchop;54079
According to CBS, Mendes decided to wait until the full court reconvines in Feburary.  Looks like it's back to waiting.  Minster Mendes, no hero here.


Ahh chopchop - doom and gloom.  We all already decided to ignore CBS.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BEJ_Mom on December 21, 2009, 03:48:07 PM
If I were David I would take any flight heading to US. I'd stop in Orlando & go see Mickey.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Chuckles on December 21, 2009, 03:48:25 PM
Quote from: chopchop;54079
According to CBS, Mendes decided to wait until the full court reconvines in Feburary.  Looks like it's back to waiting.  Minster Mendes, no hero here.
No.  That report was unsourced and from this morning.  Pay it no heed.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 03:49:07 PM
Man, I had 2 appts come in and was really hoping to see "Court return's boy to rightful father and throws nutjobs in brazilian pokey" when I signed back on...........
 
Bummer......
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 03:49:36 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;54023
Oh wow, at that rate I just might make it, haha

 
lol...i thought it was from all my pertinent posts!~:cool:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lexi on December 21, 2009, 03:49:45 PM
Quote from: JamesJosephs;54076
My understanding is that the procedural hurdles holding up his nomination have been removed, but he has not been stationed yet.

Ok thanks - I guess the other embassy staff are more than familiar with the case anyway, and there's a "full-fledged" congressman on the ground. Probably one of the best there is.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Eccaka on December 21, 2009, 03:49:55 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;54062
I couldnt access it either, what did he say/>


Basically he said everything we already know...
he's saying they think a decision should come today, but it's getting late so who knows... The judge could make it hardwe for the family to appeal and send Sean home  depending on how his ruling is worded... This is an abduction case not a custody case... JPLS is another abductor, Sean cannot and should not testify, etc. Calmly and well explained but nothing really new
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Karensue on December 21, 2009, 03:51:03 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;54072
They should tell people tomrrow but fly them out overnight, and put a gag on the Silva's they cannot leak it, so David and Sean can leave peacefully...


This is what I am thinking that David is already with Sean at the American Embassy, but they are not publicizing it.  Brazil will want to get David and Sean quietly out of the country without the media attention and hope this big dirty story just goes away.  Then they can concentrate on the Olympics and other positive stories.  That would be the best case scenario.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 03:51:24 PM
Quote from: shaine;54077
Anyone think there could be a delay due to flight weather conditions in New Jersey?

 
Our weather is fine.  Snow stopped early yesterday, Newark is up and running just fine.... no problems on the Jersey end!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 03:52:28 PM
There is nothing on the tv in Brazil about this?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BEJ_Mom on December 21, 2009, 03:52:29 PM
In a neighboring town we got 22.5 inches. David may need a shovel to get in driveway.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 03:52:44 PM
Quote from: Karensue;54091
This is what I am thinking that David is already with Sean at the American Embassy, but they are not publicizing it. Brazil will want to get David and Sean quietly out of the country without the media attention and hope this big dirty story just goes away. Then they can concentrate on the Olympics and other positive stories. That would be the best case scenario.

They still have more children to return K-Sue..........
 
Nothing positive until they do.......:mad2:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 03:52:46 PM
Quote from: Herb Wife;54087
lol...i thought it was from all my pertinent posts!~:cool:

 
Well, they are indeed pertinent...and ENJOYED!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 03:52:59 PM
THE CASE FILE LEFT THE CHAMBERS OF THE COURT'S PRESIDENCY:

GuiaOrigemDestinoData de RemessaData de Recebimento
2105/2009PRESIDENCIA DO STFSEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOS21/12/200921/12/2009
11021/2009SEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOSPRESIDENCIA DO STF21/12/200921/12/2009
2904/2009GABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSOSEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOS21/12/200921/12/2009
17329/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOGABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSO18/12/200921/12/2009
3715/2009COSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAOSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
17327/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOCOSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAO18/12/200918/12/2009
10305/2009SEÇÃO DE RECEBIMENTO E AUTUAÇÃO DE PROCESSOSSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009

 
Some decision must have been made!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: zipbags on December 21, 2009, 03:53:01 PM
Quote from: BEJ_Mom;54094
In a neighboring town we got 22.5 inches. David may need a shovel to get in driveway.

I live in the town next to David's.  We got over 20".
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Rio Gringa on December 21, 2009, 03:54:09 PM
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: chutt123 on December 21, 2009, 03:54:12 PM
Quote from: BEJ_Mom;54094
In a neighboring town we got 22.5 inches. David may need a shovel to get in driveway.


I am sure someone will be there to shovel a walkway. A little part of me (like a super small part) hopes that they can get in the air and then tell us all that he is in the air. As much as I want to see Sean and David together, part of me thinks they need Daddy and son time now.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 03:54:25 PM
Quote from: Karensue;54091
This is what I am thinking that David is already with Sean at the American Embassy, but they are not publicizing it.  Brazil will want to get David and Sean quietly out of the country without the media attention and hope this big dirty story just goes away.  Then they can concentrate on the Olympics and other positive stories.  That would be the best case scenario.

I love the optimism, but I can't feel that hopeful yet.  I would think we would have heard something by now had this even been a remote chance.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 03:54:52 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;54097
THE CASE FILE LEFT THE CHAMBERS OF THE COURT'S PRESIDENCY:

GuiaOrigemDestinoData de RemessaData de Recebimento
2105/2009PRESIDENCIA DO STFSEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOS21/12/200921/12/2009
11021/2009SEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOSPRESIDENCIA DO STF21/12/200921/12/2009
2904/2009GABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSOSEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOS21/12/200921/12/2009
17329/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOGABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSO18/12/200921/12/2009
3715/2009COSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAOSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
17327/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOCOSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAO18/12/200918/12/2009
10305/2009SEÇÃO DE RECEBIMENTO E AUTUAÇÃO DE PROCESSOSSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009

 
Some decision must have been made!
Who makes the announcement of the decision or is it just posted?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 03:54:55 PM
Quote from: BEJ_Mom;54094
In a neighboring town we got 22.5 inches. David may need a shovel to get in driveway.

 
I live down the street, the whole area is completely fine, plowed, etc, and I had family fly in from Grenada into Newark last night no problem, so airports are fine...
 
So just in case the Silva's want to put in another appeal that "the roads in Jersey are bad."..I can assure you, theyre just fine  =) ... and ready and waiting for their return =)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jlpoag on December 21, 2009, 03:55:39 PM
Quote from: Karensue;54091
This is what I am thinking that David is already with Sean at the American Embassy, but they are not publicizing it. Brazil will want to get David and Sean quietly out of the country without the media attention and hope this big dirty story just goes away. Then they can concentrate on the Olympics and other positive stories. That would be the best case scenario.

I hope that they do something like this when the ruling does come down so that Sean would not be subjected to all of the media attention and granny would not have too much of a heads up that they were coming to get him.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 03:56:08 PM
I've gotten into the oreo mint cookies!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: AnotherDad on December 21, 2009, 03:56:13 PM
Does anyone know if there is any private plane instead of commercial if all goes well?
 
I also think granny would be holding Sean's ankles and dragging on the floor wailing all the way to the cabin door if they didn't pick her up and give her a 1,2,3 TOSS out the door of the airport.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 21, 2009, 03:56:44 PM
If David and Sean get on that plane, I'll go over there and shovel out for them MYSELF!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 03:56:48 PM
Quote from: jlpoag;54105
I hope that they do something like this when the ruling does come down so that Sean would not be subjected to all of the media attention and granny would not have too much of a heads up that they were coming to get him.

Unfortunately, I find it hard to believe Granny won't have a heads up.  :burn:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 03:56:57 PM
Quote from: AnotherDad;54107
Does anyone know if there is any private plane instead of commercial if all goes well?
 
I also think granny would be holding Sean's ankles and dragging on the floor wailing all the way to the cabin door if they didn't pick her up and give her a 1,2,3 TOSS out the door of the airport.
And where have you been today??
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Chuckles on December 21, 2009, 03:57:05 PM
Quote from: AnotherDad;54107
Does anyone know if there is any private plane instead of commercial if all goes well?
 
I also think granny would be holding Sean's ankles and dragging on the floor wailing all the way to the cabin door if they didn't pick her up and give her a 1,2,3 TOSS out the door of the airport.
One step at a time.  Let's get the ruling first.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Jan on December 21, 2009, 03:57:14 PM
For over a year now I have followed this story and although I have never posted here I have continuously read the site to keep up with the status of the case.  Thank you...all of you who post and keep us informed.  I have hoped and prayed that the right thing would be done in this case and that David would be able to live peacefully with his son.  I have two grandsons, one about six months younger than Sean, and I cannot fathom a grandmother doing to a child what this woman has done here.  Grandmothers are supposed to be there to help their grandchildren through the rough waters of growing up, to listen when they need a friendly ear and to give advice that is easier for them to hear than when it comes from their parents.   Yes, we are allowed to spoil them, but we are there to be the soft place they can go to when they need one.  I venture to say that if there was a club for grandmothers this woman would not be allowed to join.  When I leave work today I will finish shopping for my grandsons' Christmas gifts and on Wednesday I will drive to NJ to be with them for the holiday.  I whole heartedly pray that David's mother will soon get the news that will allow her the same pleasures.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 03:57:21 PM
Quote from: gail;54106
I've gotten into the oreo mint cookies!

LOL
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Eccaka on December 21, 2009, 03:57:24 PM
Quote from: Karensue;54091
This is what I am thinking that David is already with Sean at the American Embassy, but they are not publicizing it.  Brazil will want to get David and Sean quietly out of the country without the media attention and hope this big dirty story just goes away.  Then they can concentrate on the Olympics and other positive stories.  That would be the best case scenario.


If only... Unfortunately I think we all know that the awful family will make it as chaotic as possible. Anything to cause as much harm as they can. Sad
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jlpoag on December 21, 2009, 03:57:39 PM
Quote from: chutt123;54101
I am sure someone will be there to shovel a walkway. A little part of me (like a super small part) hopes that they can get in the air and then tell us all that he is in the air. As much as I want to see Sean and David together, part of me thinks they need Daddy and son time now.

Daddy and son time is exactly what they need.  I know that they will want to go home to NJ but it might also be a good idea for David' family to go and meet them somewhere else to escape the media attention for a while.  The media attention that this case has garnered has been great lately but once Sean is home, I hope they will leave them alone.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: SageDad on December 21, 2009, 03:57:47 PM
Quote from: gail;54106
I've gotten into the oreo mint cookies!

mmmm.. yum.. oreo's and mint.. good distraction..  suspense is killing me /refresh
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: shaine on December 21, 2009, 03:57:47 PM
Just checking. That is good to know that the airport is clear.
 
And I do hope the one scenerio is possible. David & Sean in the air before the news is released.
Or even better, no statement until tomorrow morning, as media meets David & Sean departing the plane in Newark. How beautiful would that be?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 21, 2009, 03:58:04 PM
So should I just keep refreshing my STF twitter page to see if this comes in??
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Karensue on December 21, 2009, 03:58:19 PM
Quote from: jlpoag;54105
I hope that they do something like this when the ruling does come down so that Sean would not be subjected to all of the media attention and granny would not have too much of a heads up that they were coming to get him.


Just because we haven't heard anything doesn't mean nothing is going on.  Hopefully lots of behind the scenes action.  David and Chris Smith have not been on the TV since earlier today.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tstravis on December 21, 2009, 03:58:31 PM
Tunevsk - dont leave to your dinner now!!! LOL  PLEASE
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 03:59:01 PM
Quote from: lisacallenwood;54118
So should I just keep refreshing my STF twitter page to see if this comes in??

I've been doing that all day!!!  LOL
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Aida on December 21, 2009, 03:59:04 PM
Quote from: gail;54106
I've gotten into the oreo mint cookies!

 
 
LOL:)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 04:00:05 PM
Quote from: lisacallenwood;54118
So should I just keep refreshing my STF twitter page to see if this comes in??
Yes!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: chutt123 on December 21, 2009, 04:00:12 PM
Quote from: jlpoag;54115
Daddy and son time is exactly what they need.  I know that they will want to go home to NJ but it might also be a good idea for David' family to go and meet them somewhere else to escape the media attention for a while.  The media attention that this case has garnered has been great lately but once Sean is home, I hope they will leave them alone.


I really hope they leave him alone. Maybe in a year do a followup on Dateline. I know that David will be expected to do an interview but I think it would be smart to keep Sean out of the spotlight. I think it would be smart to take him somewhere for a few days and let him get use to being with his dad before the shock of going home. And I hope that they have a psychologist waiting in the wings. He will need someone (besides the love of the family)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: chutt123 on December 21, 2009, 04:00:36 PM
Quote from: momof3inPA;54121
I've been doing that all day!!!  LOL


Me too lol
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Amazee on December 21, 2009, 04:00:43 PM
Quote from: Aida;54122
LOL:)
I can top that.  I am eating the chocolate ornaments that my girls put on the tree.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Tunevsk on December 21, 2009, 04:01:23 PM
A certificate on some thecnicality has been placed by the registry on the file, confirming that the petition of initial brief of writ of mandamus that was presented in hard copy today conforms to version that had been sent by electronic means on Friday.
 
AND (this formality solved) THE FILE IS NOW BACK AT THE PRESIDENCY:
 
DataAndamentoÓrgão JulgadorObservaçãoDocumento
21/12/2009 Conclusos à Presidência
 
21/12/2009 Certidão da Seção de Recebimento e Protocolo de Petições: "Tendo em vista os termos da Resolução STF nº 287/04, certifico a identidade de conteúdo entre a petição protocolizada sob o número em epígrafe e a petição enviada eletronicamente em 18/12/2009, referente à impetração de Mandado de Segurança por DAVID GEORGE GOLDMAN, e autuada sob o nº MS 28525."  
 
21/12/2009 Conclusos à Presidência
 
21/12/2009 Juntada Petição nº 143768/2009.  
 
21/12/2009 Juntada Petição nº 143767/2009.  
 
21/12/2009 Juntada Petição nº 143754/2009.  
 
21/12/2009 Juntada informação do Gabinete do Ministro Cezar Peluso.  
 
21/12/2009 Petição 143768/2009 - 21/12/2009 - DAVID GEORGE GOLDMAN - APRESENTA ORIGINAIS DA PETIÇÃO INICIAL.  
 
21/12/2009 Petição 143767/2009 - 21/12/2009 - DAVID GEORGE GOLDMAN - REQUER JUNTADA DE ACÓRDÃO.  
 
21/12/2009 Petição 143754/2009 - 21/12/2009 - SILVANA BIANCHI CARNEIRO RIBEIRO - REQUER VISTA DOS AUTOS.  
 
18/12/2009 Conclusos ao(à) Relator(a)
 
18/12/2009 Conexão com o Processo nº MS28524  
 
18/12/2009 Distribuído MIN. CEZAR PELUSO  
 
18/12/2009 Autuado
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 04:01:24 PM
Quote from: Amazee;54127
I can top that. I am eating the chocolate ornaments that my girls put on the tree.
LOL!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Karensue on December 21, 2009, 04:01:41 PM
Quote from: shaine;54117
Just checking. That is good to know that the airport is clear.
 
And I do hope the one scenerio is possible. David & Sean in the air before the news is released.
Or even better, no statement until tomorrow morning, as media meets David & Sean departing the plane in Newark. How beautiful would that be?


I wouldn't want Sean to be exposed to the massive media attention his arrival would garner.  I just hope to hear that they are back in NJ.  In fact I don't ever want to ever see Sean traumatized by the media attention.  Let them live a quiet peaceful life.  Maybe David will write a book one day
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: zipbags on December 21, 2009, 04:01:41 PM
Who is the poster Tunevsk?    Thanks!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: chutt123 on December 21, 2009, 04:01:52 PM
Per JeffRosen tweet:

Goldman case update: We're hearing that brazilian family just filed papers in the Superior Court (2nd highest court) as a pre-emptive strike.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: SageDad on December 21, 2009, 04:02:10 PM
It's 7pm in Rio..
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 04:02:15 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;54128
A certificate on some thecnicality has been placed by the registry on the file, confirming that the petition of initial brief of writ of mandamus that was presented in hard copy today conforms to version that had been sent by electronic means on Friday.
What does this mean?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 04:02:21 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;54128
A certificate on some thecnicality has been placed by the registry on the file, confirming that the petition of initial brief of writ of mandamus that was presented in hard copy today conforms to version that had been sent by electronic means on Friday.

 
That's good, right?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: heather on December 21, 2009, 04:02:24 PM
Quote from: Amazee;54127
I can top that. I am eating the chocolate ornaments that my girls put on the tree.
lol
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: shaine on December 21, 2009, 04:02:34 PM
Quote from: Tunevsk;54128
A certificate on some thecnicality has been placed by the registry on the file, confirming that the petition of initial brief of writ of mandamus that was presented in hard copy today conforms to version that had been sent by electronic means on Friday.

 
Which means what exactly?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: AnotherDad on December 21, 2009, 04:02:51 PM
Quote from: gail;54110
And where have you been today??

I've been sitting in the corner smoking HW's "herbs" and eating her "Gabatrol" while wearing my propeller beanie and watching the cartoon channel. Like dude, did I miss something?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: zipbags on December 21, 2009, 04:02:52 PM
Quote from: chutt123;54132
Per JeffRosen tweet:
 
Goldman case update: We're hearing that brazilian family just filed papers in the Superior Court (2nd highest court) as a pre-emptive strike.

Wouldn't it be moot if a higher court rules in David's favor???  :conf:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: :: ultranol :: on December 21, 2009, 04:02:55 PM
The papers returned to STF presidency?
 
11033/2009SEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOSPRESIDENCIA DO STF21/12/2009
2105/2009PRESIDENCIA DO STFSEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOS21/12/200921/12/2009
11021/2009SEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOSPRESIDENCIA DO STF21/12/200921/12/2009
2904/2009GABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSOSEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOS21/12/200921/12/2009
17329/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOGABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSO18/12/200921/12/2009
3715/2009COSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAOSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
17327/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOCOSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAO18/12/200918/12/2009
10305/2009SEÇÃO DE RECEBIMENTO E AUTUAÇÃO DE PROCESSOSSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BrazaBoy on December 21, 2009, 04:02:57 PM
While we wait watch this amazing poem about father and son: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nktBsI0PYPs&feature=youtube_gdata
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 21, 2009, 04:03:06 PM
A certificate on some thecnicality has been placed by the registry on the file, confirming that the petition of initial brief of writ of mandamus that was presented in hard copy today conforms to version that had been sent by electronic means on Friday.
 
Huh?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: shaine on December 21, 2009, 04:04:04 PM
Quote from: Karensue;54130
I wouldn't want Sean to be exposed to the massive media attention his arrival would garner. I just hope to hear that they are back in NJ. In fact I don't ever want to ever see Sean traumatized by the media attention. Let them live a quiet peaceful life. Maybe David will write a book one day

 
I agree Karen, but you know the media will hound this story.
If anything, just a glimpse to know he is on US soil would suffice.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: ENR on December 21, 2009, 04:04:18 PM
Quote from: lisacallenwood;54142
A certificate on some thecnicality has been placed by the registry on the file, confirming that the petition of initial brief of writ of mandamus that was presented in hard copy today conforms to version that had been sent by electronic means on Friday.
 
Huh?


Double Huh?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: liesl78 on December 21, 2009, 04:04:21 PM
My husband just asked for the computer and I just yelled HECK, NO!!!!!!

Not until STF issues a decision.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 04:04:38 PM
Quote from: ENR;54144
Double Huh?

Triple huh?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Aida on December 21, 2009, 04:05:08 PM
Quote from: Amazee;54127
I can top that. I am eating the chocolate ornaments that my girls put on the tree.

 
 
You are too funny.:)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 04:05:09 PM
Quote from: liesl78;54145
My husband just asked for the computer and I just yelled HECK, NO!!!!!!

Not until STF issues a decision.

Tell him to back away slowly so no one gets hurt.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Chuckles on December 21, 2009, 04:05:17 PM
Quote from: liesl78;54145
My husband just asked for the computer and I just yelled HECK, NO!!!!!!

Not until STF issues a decision.
Tell him to go start dinner!
LOL
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 04:05:26 PM
Quote from: mikeberry;54146
Triple huh?

Sounds like maybe they're dotting i's and crossing t's....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: UD_student on December 21, 2009, 04:06:13 PM
Quote from: zipbags;54131
Who is the poster Tunevsk?    Thanks!!!

To the best of my knowledge:
Tunevsk is a lawyer in Brazil.
Roger is also a lawyer in Brazil.
Andre Felipe (not sure how to put in the accent in Andre) is a law student in Brazil who plans to be a judge.

They have all provided invaluable insights into the legal aspects of the case from time to time to help all of us non legal people (not to mention many non-Portuguese speaking)!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: janelr on December 21, 2009, 04:06:26 PM
Ugh! I need to leave work to go pick up my own boys but I can't tear myself away!!!  Egad!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 04:06:38 PM
Sounds like more shenanigans fro Toastes and PLS........
 
Sooooooo desperate........
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 04:07:22 PM
Quote from: jl2saint;54153
Sounds like more shenanigans fro Toastes and PLS........
 
Sooooooo desperate........


Why? What happened????
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 04:08:08 PM
I dont understand what that means, what is going on?!!!!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Jackie in Upstate NY on December 21, 2009, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: carlos;54116
mmmm.. yum.. oreo's and mint.. good distraction.. suspense is killing me /refresh
now your TALKING !
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 04:08:23 PM
Quote from: AnotherDad;54138
I've been sitting in the corner smoking HW's "herbs" and eating her "Gabatrol" while wearing my propeller beanie and watching the cartoon channel. Like dude, did I miss something?
lol
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: SageDad on December 21, 2009, 04:08:27 PM
Quote from: lovellboys;54154
Why? What happened????

Preemptive appeals filed at "level 3" they won't necessarily block anything.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 04:08:37 PM
Quote from: lovellboys;54154
Why? What happened????

Was replying to the Twitter update about another filing of a motion BEFORE the ruling came out in case they lost......again
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 04:08:56 PM
Quote from: Jackie in Upstate NY;54156
now your TALKING !
these things are dangerous!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Grace on December 21, 2009, 04:09:00 PM
jeffrossen (http://twitter.com/jeffrossen)
 
Goldman case update: We're hearing the brazilian family just filed papers in the Superior Court (2nd Highest Court) as a pre-emptive strike.
 
He's the NBC reporter covering the case in Rio
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: whartn on December 21, 2009, 04:09:13 PM
I hope something is going on off line as to removing Sean from that deranged Nonna.Tostes/Nonna will do everything possible to prevent Sean from leaving.JPLS/Nonna`s husband are useless.The brother is a zero.I pray that someone rescues Chiara.
They will not faciltate Sean`s relocation.I can`t believe the two of them--ugly wierdos
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: malalves on December 21, 2009, 04:09:40 PM
Quote from: :: ultranol ::;54140
The papers returned to STF presidency?
 
11033/2009SEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOSPRESIDENCIA DO STF21/12/2009
2105/2009PRESIDENCIA DO STFSEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOS21/12/200921/12/2009
11021/2009SEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOSPRESIDENCIA DO STF21/12/200921/12/2009
2904/2009GABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSOSEÇÃO DE PROCESSOS DIVERSOS21/12/200921/12/2009
17329/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOGABINETE MINISTRO CEZAR PELUSO18/12/200921/12/2009
3715/2009COSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAOSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009
17327/2009SEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃOCOSTURA DA DISTRIBUICAO18/12/200918/12/2009
10305/2009SEÇÃO DE RECEBIMENTO E AUTUAÇÃO DE PROCESSOSSEÇÃO DE PREVENÇÃO E DISTRIBUIÇÃO18/12/200918/12/2009

So, it is back to Gilmar Mendes. Hopefully for a final reading and last signature.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 04:09:58 PM
Quote from: Grace;54161
jeffrossen (http://twitter.com/jeffrossen)
 
Goldman case update: We're hearing the brazilian family just filed papers in the Superior Court (2nd Highest Court) as a pre-emptive strike.

 
 
If I was a high-level judge and someone filed a pre-emptive "strike" against a decision I hadn't even made yet, I'd be a little annoyed....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: chutt123 on December 21, 2009, 04:10:01 PM
Quote from: zipbags;54139
Wouldn't it be moot if a higher court rules in David's favor???  :conf:


That's what I think but Jeff posted it so I think that its something they are thinking about
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 04:10:09 PM
Quote from: gail;54157
lol

 
~ lol...now your talking!....k  what happened!????~
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jbtennessee on December 21, 2009, 04:10:09 PM
Could someone file a motion for a quick decision before the decline in U.S. productivity stalls the recovery from the recession?  I meant to go to work today, but couldn't make myself leave the computer at home, so here I sit...Sounds like those who are at work aren't doing much better!  
 
I have read this website and said many prayers for many months now...you people who have driven this cause are incredible people!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 04:10:13 PM
Quote from: jl2saint;54159
Was replying to the Twitter update about another filing of a motion BEFORE the ruling came out in case they lost......again


Are you trying to kill me?  I am anticipating a stroke sometime tonight.....so it was nice knowing you all.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 04:10:55 PM
I'm sooooo gonna get fired over this case............
 
If they only knew.......lol
 
You should have seen me deny the phone bill when they saw the fax to Brazil.....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: ENR on December 21, 2009, 04:11:02 PM
I just want to thank Bob for adding more memory and/ or ram or whatever it is that allows almost 600 people to be on the website and it is so darn fast!  

Thank you, thank you!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tstravis on December 21, 2009, 04:11:19 PM
i thought they were going to "lay down their guns"  Yeah, right!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 04:11:24 PM
Quote from: chutt123;54132
Per JeffRosen tweet:
 
Goldman case update: We're hearing that brazilian family just filed papers in the Superior Court (2nd highest court) as a pre-emptive strike.
But filing papers does not mean an automatic stay. Does not mean an automatic acceptance of the appeal, whatever it is based on. Hopefully, GM's ruling is for David and written in such a way as to make it immediate and unassailable.
 
And, not for nothing, it continues to amaze me--but why I don't know---that these people really don't understand that they have lost. They are losing on every front: continually in court; the Brazilian Government (AG filing with David); the media; apparently the Brazilian people have warmed up to David's plea and see that this is a case of returning a Son to his Father. Enough already!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Chuckles on December 21, 2009, 04:11:32 PM
CNN's Suzanne Malveaux just said that they expect a decision "very soon" and that they'd bring it to us "as it happens".

Sounds imminent.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 04:12:06 PM
Quote from: Grace;54161
jeffrossen (http://twitter.com/jeffrossen)
 
Goldman case update: We're hearing the brazilian family just filed papers in the Superior Court (2nd Highest Court) as a pre-emptive strike.
 
He's the NBC reporter covering the case in Rio

So they can't bribe anymore and move on to this?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 04:12:38 PM
Quote from: Chuckles;54173
CNN's Suzanne Malveaux just said that they expect a decision "very soon" and that they'd bring it to us "as it happens".
 
Sounds imminent.

Is there a way to watch that on you tube Chuckles???????????:conf:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Sandra on December 21, 2009, 04:12:38 PM
736 users now in BSH
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 04:12:57 PM
Quote from: Chuckles;54173
CNN's Suzanne Malveaux just said that they expect a decision "very soon" and that they'd bring it to us "as it happens".
 
Sounds imminent.

 
This better post before I have to leave the office and be away from a computer for 45 minutes!!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 04:13:39 PM
Quote from: Sandra;54176
736 users now in BSH
wow!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: JonathanR on December 21, 2009, 04:14:09 PM
Quote from: Grace;54161
jeffrossen (http://twitter.com/jeffrossen)
 
Goldman case update: We're hearing the brazilian family just filed papers in the Superior Court (2nd Highest Court) as a pre-emptive strike.
 
He's the NBC reporter covering the case in Rio

 
AGAINST WHAT?!! An unpocketed judge reviewing that sea witch's original appeal???
 
This is going to wear a hole in my stomach lining...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 04:14:14 PM
Quote from: ENR;54170
I just want to thank Bob for adding more memory and/ or ram or whatever it is that allows almost 600 people to be on the website and it is so darn fast!
 
Thank you, thank you!

:yeahthat:  :yeahthat:  :yeahthat:  :yeahthat:  :yeahthat:  :yeahthat: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 04:14:22 PM
Quote from: momof3inPA;54177
This better post before I have to leave the office and be away from a computer for 45 minutes!!!!!
And I would like to shower and get dressed at some point today!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Chuckles on December 21, 2009, 04:14:52 PM
Quote from: jl2saint;54175
Is there a way to watch that on you tube Chuckles???????????:conf:
I don't know...  sorry.
:nixweiss:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 04:15:21 PM
Quote from: gail;54183
And I would like to shower and get dressed at some point today!

 
Showering is overrated!   :D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Dan_Plainview on December 21, 2009, 04:16:02 PM
Quote from: gail;54183
And I would like to shower and get dressed at some point today!

Uhhh ... what?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: M.Capestro on December 21, 2009, 04:16:41 PM
Quote from: momof3inPA;54185
Showering is overrated! :D

:eek: Obviously you've never ridden on a subway on a hot humid summer's day.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 04:17:16 PM
I'm off work and have a cold one waiting but it's a 10 minute drive to the pub......Toastes DOES NOT want to be on my "this guy made me late for a beer" list....Thas a bad list to be on.......
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Aida on December 21, 2009, 04:17:53 PM
Quote from: JonathanR;54181
AGAINST WHAT?!! An unpocketed judge reviewing that sea witch's original appeal???
 
This is going to wear a hole in my stomach lining...

 
Jonathan....you are funny. I am so nervus. I took my mom shopping and told her to get the rest tomorrow! LOL;)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tenorplus on December 21, 2009, 04:17:54 PM
Hopefully, this means Mendes is doing a final review and that this means SEAN COMES HOME... and the dark side cannot appeal... waiting anxiously!!!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Chuckles on December 21, 2009, 04:17:55 PM
Quote from: jl2saint;54188
I'm off work and have a cold one waiting but it's a 10 minute drive to the pub......Toastes DOES NOT want to be on my "this guy made me late for a beer" list....Thas a bad list to be on.......

LMBO
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jlpoag on December 21, 2009, 04:17:59 PM
Quote from: ENR;54170
I just want to thank Bob for adding more memory and/ or ram or whatever it is that allows almost 600 people to be on the website and it is so darn fast!
 
Thank you, thank you!

 
:yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lexi on December 21, 2009, 04:18:24 PM
Just a quick note to welcome all new BSHer's to the forum. Great to have you here!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: janelr on December 21, 2009, 04:18:34 PM
Quote from: jl2saint;54188
I'm off work and have a cold one waiting but it's a 10 minute drive to the pub......Toastes DOES NOT want to be on my "this guy made me late for a beer" list....Thas a bad list to be on.......

 
Ha ha!  Clearly more important than my, "she was late to pick up the boys" list! :)
 
J-
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Irish17 on December 21, 2009, 04:19:28 PM
Tomorrow is supposed to be my last day until 12/28. However at the rate I am going I will be working on Christmas to make up for no getting anything done today.
 
Enough already, issue the decision, please send Sean home to his REAL grandparents, his Aunt & family please honorable Judge Mendes!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jlpoag on December 21, 2009, 04:19:34 PM
Quote from: Lexi;54193
Just a quick note to welcome all new BSHer's to the forum. Great to have you here!

 
Lexi, a lot of us have been viewing each day and keeping up we just have not posted until now.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Aida on December 21, 2009, 04:19:38 PM
Quote from: jl2saint;54188
I'm off work and have a cold one waiting but it's a 10 minute drive to the pub......Toastes DOES NOT want to be on my "this guy made me late for a beer" list....Thas a bad list to be on.......

 
You can come to my house there are several cold ones waiting!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Mame on December 21, 2009, 04:20:03 PM
MSNBC reported the Brazil family has filed yet another appeal.  Is that correct?  Is anyone else hearing this?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 04:20:21 PM
Quote from: gail;54183
And I would like to shower and get dressed at some point today!
Too much information, Gail.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 04:20:35 PM
Quote from: Aida;54197
You can come to my house there are several cold ones waiting!


All my cold-ones are gone.  I moved on to the hard liquor!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 04:21:18 PM
Quote from: Aida;54197
You can come to my house there are several cold ones waiting!

How far are you from Gloucester Va.......
 
Thx for the invite.
 
I hope to enjoy one at the Welcome home Sean party as well............
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: M.Capestro on December 21, 2009, 04:21:23 PM
Burn off some of that energy folks and give Ray & Ken a call:
 
nj1015 (http://twitter.com/nj1015): Ray & ken are discussing the David Goldman case. Do you think his son should be returned to him? 1-800-283-1015
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Chuckles on December 21, 2009, 04:21:47 PM
CNN update.. maybe today as early as 5PM EST, but maybe tomorrow or even the day after.

I'm betting on today at 5.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Aida on December 21, 2009, 04:22:09 PM
Quote from: lovellboys;54201
All my cold-ones are gone. I moved on to the hard liquor!

 
lol:D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jlpoag on December 21, 2009, 04:22:24 PM
Quote from: Chuckles;54205
CNN update.. maybe today as early as 5PM EST, but maybe tomorrow or even the day after.
 
I'm betting on today at 5.

 
Oh, let's hope so!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Karensue on December 21, 2009, 04:22:27 PM
CNN story on now - Saying decision could be as early as 5:00PM today (I guess EST) but may not be until tomorrow or Wednesday.  Documents already prepared to appeal by Brazilian family.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lexi on December 21, 2009, 04:22:33 PM
Quote from: jlpoag;54196
Lexi, a lot of us have been viewing each day and keeping up we just have not posted until now.

Good to know there are many supporters out there all pulling for David and the other LBPs.:)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 04:22:43 PM
you think 5 eastern time?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Rio Gringa on December 21, 2009, 04:22:45 PM
I have come to a dramatic conclusion based on all of the media reports:
no one but Gilmar Mendes knows what the hell is going on.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 04:23:22 PM
Quote from: jlpoag;54196
Lexi, a lot of us have been viewing each day and keeping up we just have not posted until now.

 
I think Lexi is expressing it is great either way.  The more the merrier!
 
I have been mostly viewing and was doing my posting on Facebook until today-
 
The bigger support team they have the better, regardless of whether people are just staying informed, posting, or making efforts in other areas....
 
We're all supporting them together, in a variety of ways
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 04:23:29 PM
Quote from: Rio Gringa;54211
I have come to a dramatic conclusion based on all of the media reports:
no one but Gilmar Mendes knows what the hell is going on.

 
 
ROFLMAO :clapping: :clapping:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Priss on December 21, 2009, 04:23:42 PM
Quote from: Rio Gringa;54211
I have come to a dramatic conclusion based on all of the media reports:
no one but Gilmar Mendes knows what the hell is going on.


:yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: shaine on December 21, 2009, 04:23:50 PM
Quote from: Mame;54199
MSNBC reported the Brazil family has filed yet another appeal. Is that correct? Is anyone else hearing this?

 
Jeff Rossen Twittered this.
 
http://twitter.com/jeffrossen
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 04:23:53 PM
Quote from: Rio Gringa;54211
I have come to a dramatic conclusion based on all of the media reports:
no one but Gilmar Mendes knows what the hell is going on.

 
Im with you.  This is crazy.  Not even a small hint at whats happening
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lexi on December 21, 2009, 04:23:56 PM
Dan Plainview:
 
You made me choke on my pound cake! LOL
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 04:24:09 PM
Quote from: Chuckles;54205
CNN update.. maybe today as early as 5PM EST, but maybe tomorrow or even the day after.
 
I'm betting on today at 5.

 
OK, that gives me a window of opportunity...........
 
Thanks to all the new members and visitors who came here today to support Dave and Sean....WELCOME!!!!!
 
I'm going to the pub to watch CNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Peace and SEND SEAN HOME bonehead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 04:24:14 PM
Quote from: Karensue;54208
CNN story on now - Saying decision could be as early as 5:00PM today (I guess EST) but may not be until tomorrow or Wednesday.  Documents already prepared to appeal by Brazilian family.

Tostes does not usually announce that when the ruling is going in his favor.  I am hopeful for a positive ruling that will not allow time for hail mary's from him.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 04:24:22 PM
Quote from: shaine;54215
Jeff Rossen Twittered this.
 
http://twitter.com/jeffrossen

 
They did, but who cares? If Mendes does what is right it will not matter
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Sarita on December 21, 2009, 04:24:32 PM
:yeahthat:
Quote from: Rio Gringa;54211
I have come to a dramatic conclusion based on all of the media reports:
no one but Gilmar Mendes knows what the hell is going on.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: five4me on December 21, 2009, 04:24:36 PM
Quote from: Rio Gringa;54211
I have come to a dramatic conclusion based on all of the media reports:
no one but Gilmar Mendes knows what the hell is going on.

:yeahthat:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Irish17 on December 21, 2009, 04:24:44 PM
Quote from: Rio Gringa;54211
I have come to a dramatic conclusion based on all of the media reports:
no one but Gilmar Mendes knows what the hell is going on.

This is good as it is most likely the most reliable!! Just wish he would share with the rest of us sooner then later!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 04:24:48 PM
Quote from: Karensue;54208
CNN story on now - Saying decision could be as early as 5:00PM today (I guess EST) but may not be until tomorrow or Wednesday. Documents already prepared to appeal by Brazilian family.
Are they just that cruel that all they are trying to do is delay this until Christmas and then plead "how could you take Sean away from his Christmas", even though they KNOW they are losing.  I know, answered my own question.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: KatiMurphy on December 21, 2009, 04:25:19 PM
I carried my iphone charger with me all weekend. I was following this site so closely that I used up my charge twice as fast as usual. I keep checking the site compulsively, even though I have 50 million things to do at work. Hoping the answer comes soon-along with some of that "swift justice".
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 21, 2009, 04:25:41 PM
I agree Rio. All in his time. Which is FINE as long as it is the RIGHT decision and a solid one - NO LOOPHOLES!!
 
I just paid my teenager $10 to go pick up her brother across town. At this point would sell a body part to be sitting at the computer, hit refresh, and see the good news come across!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: dsturnerjr on December 21, 2009, 04:26:33 PM
Obviously Tostes knows that this decision is not going to go well.  He's hoping that Mendes leaves the door cracked open enough for him to slither in with another appeal....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Priss on December 21, 2009, 04:27:31 PM
Quote from: lisacallenwood;54226
I agree Rio. All in his time. Which is FINE as long as it is the RIGHT decision and a solid one - NO LOOPHOLES!!
 
I just paid my teenager $10 to go pick up her brother across town. At this point would sell a body part to be sitting at the computer, hit refresh, and see the good news come across!!


:D:D:D:D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Irish17 on December 21, 2009, 04:27:33 PM
Quote from: lisacallenwood;54226
I agree Rio. All in his time. Which is FINE as long as it is the RIGHT decision and a solid one - NO LOOPHOLES!!
 
I just paid my teenager $10 to go pick up her brother across town. At this point would sell a body part to be sitting at the computer, hit refresh, and see the good news come across!!

For all the stress we are feeling, the pressure building, so happy to know that there is also some good humor going around. Makes it easier to deal with ......
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: chutt123 on December 21, 2009, 04:27:34 PM
Another JeffRosen tweet:

David Goldman is holed up in his Rio hotel room. The mood inside described as "tense" 7pm here in Rio and still no word from Supreme Ct.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 04:27:40 PM
Quote from: dsturnerjr;54227
Obviously Tostes knows that this decision is not going to go well. He's hoping that Mendes leaves the door cracked open enough for him to slither in with another appeal....

 
So lets just hope he has shut and locked all doors
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: heatheram29 on December 21, 2009, 04:27:41 PM
Quote from: jl2saint;54218
OK, that gives me a window of opportunity...........
 
Thanks to all the new members and visitors who came here today to support Dave and Sean....WELCOME!!!!!
 
I'm going to the pub to watch CNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Peace and SEND SEAN HOME bonehead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
:yeahthat:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Luiza on December 21, 2009, 04:28:26 PM
If they file an appeal..........does it have to be heard, or can this Judge just say enough is enough?????
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 04:28:47 PM
Mendes, you will be a HERO and be remembered throughout history for doing THE RIGHT THING in a highly publicized abduction case.  Come on, send Sean home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tenorplus on December 21, 2009, 04:28:54 PM
Quote from: Rio Gringa;54211
I have come to a dramatic conclusion based on all of the media reports:
no one but Gilmar Mendes knows what the hell is going on.

I think you're right! That way, he may rule that no other appeals may be made (that would be fantastic)!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jjsaunt on December 21, 2009, 04:29:25 PM
You know it is a very good thing that the technology we are using is not yet ready to let 600 people all use their webcams to "chat" about this. It looks like too many of us aren't ready for the world to see us.
 
I am trying to read the first 70 pages of this thread, bounce over to the newest pages, talk to my sister on the phone about Christmas, help my 9 year old nephew who is spending the afternoon with me set up my old computer ('cuz he can't have this one) and work on a client's paperwork (guess what is loosing).
 
I am ready to join the class action suit to get back all the time I have spent on this site...... but it has been worth it. I think this is my only obsession that may have helped change the world. (The last obsession was Doctor Who - great fun, but not really world shaking).
 
 
New people - check out the donation tab. If you have any extra funds -
You can give a gift to David to help defer some of his expenses or donate to BSHF, a nonprofit:
Quote
Donations to the BSHF will be used for more general purposes related to raising awareness, preventing future abductions, and assisting the many victims of international parental child abduction.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 04:29:28 PM
Quote from: Luiza;54233
If they file an appeal..........does it have to be heard, or can this Judge just say enough is enough?????

 
 
No it does not have to be heard- and from what I have read likely won't, especially if Mendes says send the boy home. The court will reject the appeal and support the previous decision
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: nina on December 21, 2009, 04:29:42 PM
Next United Airlines flight from GIG (Rio) to NJ....11:25pm...

I would looooove to see them in that plane tonight!!!

:)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Aida on December 21, 2009, 04:29:46 PM
Quote from: lisacallenwood;54226
I agree Rio. All in his time. Which is FINE as long as it is the RIGHT decision and a solid one - NO LOOPHOLES!!
 
I just paid my teenager $10 to go pick up her brother across town. At this point would sell a body part to be sitting at the computer, hit refresh, and see the good news come across!!

Now that is way too funny,Lisa LOL:D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Priss on December 21, 2009, 04:29:50 PM
I'm sitting on the edge of my seat hitting refresh hoping to see,  Sean is leaving now to America!!  So on edge!!!  Please Lord let this nightmare come to an end!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: JonathanR on December 21, 2009, 04:29:59 PM
I'm afraid for his safety. I knew Silvana was nuts, but not as in 'just-escaped-from-her-straightjacket' nuts. She will fight this till blood is shed...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Kerry on December 21, 2009, 04:30:51 PM
Latest post from Jeff Rossen -

David Goldman is holed up in his Rio hotel room. The mood inside described as "tense." 7pm here in Rio and still no word from Supreme Ct.


My heart goes out to you David.


I am in Florida and it is freeeeeeeezing (only because I have been sitting at the 'puter all day, refreshing).

Yeah I know, it is hardly cold compared to the rest of the USA
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Ceilli on December 21, 2009, 04:30:54 PM
Quote from: jjsaunt;54237

I am ready to join the class action suit to get back all the time I have spent on this site...... but it has been worth it. :

Count me in!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: heatheram29 on December 21, 2009, 04:30:55 PM
NEED A BIG WALL OF TV'S SO I DON'T HAVE TO KEEP CLICK CLICK CLICKING.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lexi on December 21, 2009, 04:31:35 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;54212
I think Lexi is expressing it is great either way. The more the merrier!
 
I have been mostly viewing and was doing my posting on Facebook until today-
 
The bigger support team they have the better, regardless of whether people are just staying informed, posting, or making efforts in other areas....
 
We're all supporting them together, in a variety of ways

Yes, exactly. Well said Guenevere.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Irish17 on December 21, 2009, 04:31:44 PM
Quote from: nina;54239
Next United Airlines flight from GIG (Rio) to NJ....11:25pm...
 
I would looooove to see them in that plane tonight!!!
 
:)

:yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: chutt123 on December 21, 2009, 04:32:13 PM
Quote from: JonathanR;54242
I'm afraid for his safety. I knew Silvana was nuts, but not as in 'just-escaped-from-her-straightjacket' nuts. She will fight this till blood is shed...


I do too. I am hoping there is some security there with him.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: JonathanR on December 21, 2009, 04:32:23 PM
Quote from: nina;54239
Next United Airlines flight from GIG (Rio) to NJ....11:25pm...
 
I would looooove to see them in that plane tonight!!!
 
:)

Now THAT would be a treat!!! :cheer:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Kerry on December 21, 2009, 04:33:23 PM
Can someone give me the link to the Twitter STF site in English (pretty please).
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 04:33:35 PM
Wouldn't it be great for Nonna to look out the window tonight and see Brazilians celebrating in the streets because she LOST FOR THE LAST TIME!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 04:33:46 PM
ok...WHAT HAPPENED ANYTHING>>>CHRISTMAS SHOPPERS ARRRRGGGHHHHH
 
 
i love my customers...i love my customers....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 04:33:54 PM
Quote from: Kerry;54250
Can someone give me the link to the Twitter STF site in English (pretty please).

 
 
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://twitter.com/STF_Oficial&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://twitter.com/STF_oficial%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7CPMA_en&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhj-Y8_NNFMWQn22VnPeDzmG2-PTBw
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Aida on December 21, 2009, 04:33:54 PM
Quote from: nina;54239
Next United Airlines flight from GIG (Rio) to NJ....11:25pm...
 
I would looooove to see them in that plane tonight!!!
 
:)

 
First Class and Business is open. Over sold in coach! Over all looks good.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: ChristineS on December 21, 2009, 04:34:13 PM
I just stepped away from the computer for one hour, then hit the refresh button on this thread and there are 20 new PAGES! Yet there is no real news development.
 
What are you people writing about? :(
(not enough time in the day to play catch up here folks)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 21, 2009, 04:34:18 PM
STF_oficial
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jlpoag on December 21, 2009, 04:34:24 PM
Quote from: Lexi;54246
Yes, exactly. Well said Guenevere.

I knew that is what she meant...I just wanted her to know that I (along with a bunch of other new individuals posting) have been obsessed with this for a while too but just never posted (mainly, for fear of getting hooked like i have today!!!!)  I'm an attorney...I'm not making any money if I'm not working for my clients so this better be resolved soon or I'll be broke!  LOL
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: pam.in.ny on December 21, 2009, 04:34:29 PM
I didn't get any work done today at work trying to keep up with what is happening. Ohhhhh please just tell us that David and Sean will be heading back home to NJ tonight.
Title: The verdict?
Post by: doleary on December 21, 2009, 04:34:44 PM
I saw on the news that the judge as said he won't rule until the full court is in session. Is the ruling out or is this just bait for us to stay with the station?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Karensue on December 21, 2009, 04:35:00 PM
Quote from: Kerry;54250
Can someone give me the link to the Twitter STF site in English (pretty please).



Try this link  - hope it works


http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://twitter.com/STF_Oficial&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://twitter.co&rurl=translate.google.com&twu
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 04:35:21 PM
did he get Sean back.?????? look folks not writing in green.....WHAT HAPPENED????
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 04:35:35 PM
Quote from: ChristineS;54255
I just stepped away from the computer for one hour, then hit the refresh button on this thread and there are 20 new PAGES! Yet there is no real news development.
 
What are you people writing about?

 
We're praying.
And praying.
And praying....
Title: Re: The verdict?
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 21, 2009, 04:35:42 PM
If that was from CBS its a bogus report they've been running all day.
Title: Re: The verdict?
Post by: doleary on December 21, 2009, 04:36:43 PM
No it was from Fox.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 04:36:52 PM
Quote from: Herb Wife;54261
did he get Sean back.?????? look folks not writing in green.....WHAT HAPPENED????

 
Nothing yet that I've seen, unfortunately.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: nina on December 21, 2009, 04:37:03 PM
:pope:

Quote from: Guenevere;54262
We're praying.
And praying.
And praying....

and UNITING FORCES!!:cheer:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Kerry on December 21, 2009, 04:37:04 PM
Quote from: lisacallenwood;54256
STF_oficial


Thanks ever so Ma'am - greatly appreciated
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 04:37:52 PM
Quote from: jlpoag;54257
I knew that is what she meant...I just wanted her to know that I (along with a bunch of other new individuals posting) have been obsessed with this for a while too but just never posted (mainly, for fear of getting hooked like i have today!!!!) I'm an attorney...I'm not making any money if I'm not working for my clients so this better be resolved soon or I'll be broke! LOL

 
ha ha, dont blame you.  I did one hours worth of work today!  Awful!  I am just literally on the edge of my seat praying for them....my heart will break if Mendes does not send Sean home....but Chris Smith said it best, its not if, it is when...so lets all hang on tight!  He will come home, God just let it happen now!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 04:38:06 PM
jeeesh....freaking out....busy here but keep checking. By the time I go back a page theres six more!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 04:38:51 PM
I jsut noticed this - is that a statue of "justice is blind" on the STF Twitter page?  Seriously???
 
:nixweiss:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: JerseyGirl on December 21, 2009, 04:39:07 PM
Quote from: ChristineS;54255
I just stepped away from the computer for one hour, then hit the refresh button on this thread and there are 20 new PAGES! Yet there is no real news development.
 
What are you people writing about? :(
(not enough time in the day to play catch up here folks)

Just another much needed routine Group Therapy session............
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Kerry on December 21, 2009, 04:39:08 PM
Thank you all for the link to STF - appreciated muchly
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Chuckles on December 21, 2009, 04:39:08 PM
Quote from: ChristineS;54255
I just stepped away from the computer for one hour, then hit the refresh button on this thread and there are 20 new PAGES! Yet there is no real news development.
 
What are you people writing about? :(
(not enough time in the day to play catch up here folks)
Mostly some idle speculation, jocularity and other general support group-type activities.  Nothing groundbreaking, but sure seems like a great group of folks!
:D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lily on December 21, 2009, 04:39:23 PM
My children will be eating cereal for dinner tonight...is that wrong??!!!  Can't stop checking!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 04:39:58 PM
Quote from: Lily;54275
My children will be eating cereal for dinner tonight...is that wrong??!!! Can't stop checking!!!!

 
I'm thinking spaghetti-o's myself....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: nina on December 21, 2009, 04:40:25 PM
Quote from: Lily;54275
My children will be eating cereal for dinner tonight...is that wrong??!!!  Can't stop checking!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHA:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jlpoag on December 21, 2009, 04:40:40 PM
Quote from: Lily;54275
My children will be eating cereal for dinner tonight...is that wrong??!!! Can't stop checking!!!!

I'm supposed to be cleaning the house tonight for the holidays!  Oh well, hope the guests won't mind the dirty house!  LOL
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lexi on December 21, 2009, 04:40:49 PM
Quote from: jlpoag;54257
I knew that is what she meant...I just wanted her to know that I (along with a bunch of other new individuals posting) have been obsessed with this for a while too but just never posted (mainly, for fear of getting hooked like i have today!!!!) I'm an attorney...I'm not making any money if I'm not working for my clients so this better be resolved soon or I'll be broke! LOL

Join the club - I've got some flexibility in my schedule but it's getting out of hand lately!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Sarita on December 21, 2009, 04:41:54 PM
Quote from: Lily;54275
My children will be eating cereal for dinner tonight...is that wrong??!!!  Can't stop checking!!!!

Hamburger Helper here! lol...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: five4me on December 21, 2009, 04:42:02 PM
Quote from: momof3inPA;54276
I'm thinking spaghetti-o's myself....

Put dinner in the crockpot late this morning, anticipating I'd be on here all day...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 04:42:10 PM
Is FOX reporting that he will not rule until February when the full court is in session?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
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Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 04:42:35 PM
Ok, I have to leave now, and I had to activate an old cell because being the idiot I am, I let my son teeth on my cell phone, so now how am I going to stay tuned as I go get my son and then go to dinner.  Thats two hours of being away from all of this!!!!!!!!!!  Any suggestions?!?!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Karensue on December 21, 2009, 04:42:51 PM
Per NBC's Jeff Rassenn tweet:

We're using a local brazilian television crew. I feel bad for them. They've been standing outside on standby since TODAY. Still waiting...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 21, 2009, 04:42:58 PM
I'm sending the driving child to the drive thru with her brother for their dinner. I can't eat at this point. But a glass of Merlot wouldn't suck.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: TomD on December 21, 2009, 04:43:00 PM
Quote from: carlos;53289
Tostes is not completely wrong.  You're missing something critical here.  Just what is the dirty secret -- is it really that Brazil is a judicial quagmire that favors its citizens and mothers in children's issues and does not honor the Hague Convention (a poorly kept secret if ever there was one... unless you read the State Dept's brochure on Brazil that is)..  or is it that parents of kidnapped American children don't normally get any help from the US government?  This case is unique and, while it does expose the systemic judicial issues in Brazil, that is par for the course in Brazil and countries like it.  Tostes is specifically complaining that the US government didn't write David and Sean off the way the've done to so many other parents  and children (including David and Sean prior to Bruna's demise, Dateline and the rise of BSH and Congressman Smith).  Testes thinks it's unfair that David and Sean have been uniquely supported by their country but the reality is it would have been, and was, unfair for them not to be (and also par for the course).  The whole kidnapping cabal in Brazil was counting on the US government's indifference as much as its own government's judicial incompetence.  The last few days shows that the Hague Convention is not without teeth -- at least not for a standing superpower.  The American government has always been able to call for accountability from our treaty partners.  It has been a question of will rather than ability.  Blaiming the wording of the Hague Convention has always been a red herring to avoid a discussion of our unwillingness to spend political capital on this issue.
Yes Carlos, excellent follow-up.  The secret is multifaceted.  In the usual case, [he infers] he and his co-conspirators get the victory every time because the judicial quagmire thwarts the earnest efforts of the left-behind parent and the powerlessness and/or apathy of any persons or any governments to stop us allows us to act with impunity. Up until now there have been very few consequences to our "business as usual modus operandi."  He could add ...
and we're so accomplished at this that we have all the answers ready for any unfavorable publicity, the truth is never an obstacle to our success.  We have history on our side, we cherish the status quo, so don't try to change things.
I could go on, but you get the picture. Hopefully, real change is coming, soon.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: SageDad on December 21, 2009, 04:43:06 PM
Quote from: lovellboys;54282
Is FOX reporting that he will not rule until February when the full court is in session?

Got the Fox net stream playing and haven't heard it mentioned.. not watching the ticker though.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 04:43:24 PM
Quote from: ChristineS;54255
I just stepped away from the computer for one hour, then hit the refresh button on this thread and there are 20 new PAGES! Yet there is no real news development.
 
What are you people writing about? :(
(not enough time in the day to play catch up here folks)
Chocolate and red wine.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Karensue on December 21, 2009, 04:43:28 PM
Jeff Rossen (sorry for misspelling)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Eccaka on December 21, 2009, 04:43:29 PM
Quote from: Lily;54275
My children will be eating cereal for dinner tonight...is that wrong??!!!  Can't stop checking!!!!


The people I am having over for dinner are expecting homemade chicken parm. Hopefully they won't mind Little Caesar's pizza instead
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: pam.in.ny on December 21, 2009, 04:43:33 PM
Quote from: Lily;54275
My children will be eating cereal for dinner tonight...is that wrong??!!!  Can't stop checking!!!!

peanut butter and jam here.:D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 04:43:57 PM
Quote from: lovellboys;54282
Is FOX reporting that he will not rule until February when the full court is in session?

If he rules that, I am going to harass Nonna and JPLS until they drop over from stress strokes-
 
 
Oops, did I just write that?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 04:44:30 PM
Quote from: five4me;54281
Put dinner in the crockpot late this morning, anticipating I'd be on here all day...

 
See, now that's a smart parent.....  :clapping: :clapping:  :D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: missylynn on December 21, 2009, 04:44:57 PM
Quote from: Lily;54275
My children will be eating cereal for dinner tonight...is that wrong??!!! Can't stop checking!!!!

 
Of course not! "Breakfast for dinner", as we call it in my house, is a fabulous idea given that I have not been able to get my bum out of this chair and off this computer for most of the day. Gotta run to pick up the little cherub now. She will be thrilled to know that pancakes and cereal are on the menu this evening. :D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Irish17 on December 21, 2009, 04:45:59 PM
Between Eccaka and Pam in NY, dinner is beginning to sound a little bit on the dreary side for the kids of most of us. For those of us west of the mississippi we have a few hours to decide, plus we can pick up a bottle of champagne after Mendes issues the ruling to send Sean home on that 11:25 flight tonight!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: ana-boston on December 21, 2009, 04:46:06 PM
lots of coffee here....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: ana-boston;54297
lots of coffee here....

 
For your KIDS?!?!?!?!?!?  LOL
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 04:47:44 PM
Just got back from the store - TV dinners
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 21, 2009, 04:47:54 PM
Any coffee for me and I'd be starting an addition on the house in 2 feet of snow.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: JamesJosephs on December 21, 2009, 04:48:25 PM
LUKIED will be appearing on CNN-HEADLINE NEWS at 5:00 p.m. or shortly thereafter.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 04:48:51 PM
is it 6:48 pm in Rio right now????
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Bill33 on December 21, 2009, 04:49:02 PM
Here's hoping the silence on the matter means something big is brewing! :conf:

I'd like the debate to shift gears from lawyers to how Sean needs privacy, and David needs time to renew the bond he has.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 04:49:22 PM
There are very few times that I regret not having cable or TV service in my house - THIS IS ONE OF THEM!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Genenut on December 21, 2009, 04:49:23 PM
Quote from: momof3inPA;54298
For your KIDS?!?!?!?!?!?  LOL

What goes up must come down ... *lol* Havent you seen daddy daycare? :D
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 04:49:27 PM
Quote from: lisacallenwood;54300
Any coffee for me and I'd be starting an addition on the house in 2 feet of snow.


lol
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 04:49:37 PM
So, this hasn't been said in a couple of hours, but
 
Thank God for Chris Smith. For the work he has done in the US Congress, to the media work he has done, and now.....Can you imagine what this circus would have been like for David to be down there alone right now??!!
 
This man is NOT a political animal, he is NOT doing this for personal attention or political gain. Three Cheers for Chris Smith!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: SageDad on December 21, 2009, 04:50:17 PM
Quote from: Audax;54302
is it 6:48 pm in Rio right now????
 7:49 pm in Rio right now
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 04:50:33 PM
Quote from: Bill33;54303
Here's hoping the silence on the matter means something big is brewing! :conf:

I'd like the debate to shift gears from lawyers to how Sean needs privacy, and David needs time to renew the bond he has.


Once he is on the plane - yes.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 04:50:54 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;54307
So, this hasn't been said in a couple of hours, but
 
Thank God for Chris Smith. For the work he has done in the US Congress, to the media work he has done, and now.....Can you imagine what this circus would have been like for David to be down there alone right now??!!
 
This man is NOT a political animal, he is NOT doing this for personal attention or political gain. Three Cheers for Chris Smith!!

FOUR CHEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jlpoag on December 21, 2009, 04:51:19 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;54307
So, this hasn't been said in a couple of hours, but
 
Thank God for Chris Smith. For the work he has done in the US Congress, to the media work he has done, and now.....Can you imagine what this circus would have been like for David to be down there alone right now??!!
 
This man is NOT a political animal, he is NOT doing this for personal attention or political gain. Three Cheers for Chris Smith!!

I agree wholeheartedly!!!  Does David have any of his family or friends there?  There is one young woman that looks like she is with him in some of the videos....hope its family or a friend with him too.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: chutt123 on December 21, 2009, 04:51:20 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;54307
So, this hasn't been said in a couple of hours, but
 
Thank God for Chris Smith. For the work he has done in the US Congress, to the media work he has done, and now.....Can you imagine what this circus would have been like for David to be down there alone right now??!!
 
This man is NOT a political animal, he is NOT doing this for personal attention or political gain. Three Cheers for Chris Smith!!


I am so with you! He is amazing. I am glad he is down there with David.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: GTfan on December 21, 2009, 04:51:26 PM
Quote from: Audax;54302
is it 6:48 pm in Rio right now????

its 7:49pm in Rio. They are 3 hours ahead of eastern time.
 
Hi everyone. I have been following the case for a long time. First time posting... been looking at the news all day today waiting for good news..
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: B.B on December 21, 2009, 04:51:41 PM
Hi to everyone on the BSH site. I have been following this case closely since the first Dateline, I read the chats daily and have sent emails to congressman, to the US embassy and many emails directly to JPLS expressing to him directly what a piece of garbage I think he is. I am so excited to hear the long awaited news that we are all expecting. It is great that David is getting so much support and that this case is helping other people throughout the world facing similar situations of injustices.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 04:52:37 PM
Hopefully mine will eat some soup.  But coffee sounds good, I think I'll go make some while waiting.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 04:52:46 PM
Visitors, do not forget to visit the media page: http://bringseanhome.org/media.html

65 American children kidnapped in Brazil, the worst compliant nation signatory to the Hague Convention, ZERO children returned.

You can do a lot for them. Call your representative in Congress and talk to them about these children, their illegal detention, and the bills in Congress to fight that: HR 2702 and HR 3740. Call your representative in Congress and ask them to help sponsor those bills. Thank you.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 04:52:46 PM
Quote from: GTfan;54314
its 7:49pm in Rio. They are 3 hours ahead of eastern time.
 
Hi everyone. I have been following the case for a long time. First time posting... been looking at the news all day today waiting for good news..


Welcome and cross your fingers please :)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 04:53:18 PM
I do not want to jinx a thing, but this delay to me seems like it could be positive, making arrangments, saying goodbyes (to a bunch of (%$#!@'s (%$#!@'s)).... we can only hope, but I feel it a big NO was coming, we may have already heard it...I say something is up, something good....I hope!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 04:53:34 PM
Quote from: GTfan;54314
its 7:49pm in Rio. They are 3 hours ahead of eastern time.
 
Hi everyone. I have been following the case for a long time. First time posting... been looking at the news all day today waiting for good news..


Welcome GTfan. Your in for quite a ride...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Leah on December 21, 2009, 04:54:00 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;54269
ha ha, dont blame you.  I did one hours worth of work today!  Awful!  I am just literally on the edge of my seat praying for them....my heart will break if Mendes does not send Sean home....but Chris Smith said it best, its not if, it is when...so lets all hang on tight!  He will come home, God just let it happen now!


I do not care to count the number of hours I have sat glued to the forum today! I need an advil....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 04:54:21 PM
Quote from: B.B;54315
Hi to everyone on the BSH site. I have been following this case closely since the first Dateline, I read the chats daily and have sent emails to congressman, to the US embassy and many emails directly to JPLS expressing to him directly what a piece of garbage I think he is. I am so excited to hear the long awaited news that we are all expecting. It is great that David is getting so much support and that this case is helping other people throughout the world facing similar situations of injustices.


Welcome BB
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Priss on December 21, 2009, 04:55:03 PM
Quote from: lbl;54319
Maybe it takes time because they have to coordinate everything with the american consulate, policia militar, officers of justice, etc to get Sean...


Thats what I'm thinking and since its after hours they can't hear any more appeals from the evil family!!  Cross our fingers, hope for the best.  The last flight out of Brazil is at 1130 tonight!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: kim in socal on December 21, 2009, 04:55:34 PM
Quote from: jlpoag;54312
There is one young woman that looks like she is with him in some of the videos....hope its family or a friend with him too.

I believe the young woman is a Dateline NBC producer. I think they are following the story closely along with Chris Smith, of course!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 04:55:45 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;54320
I do not want to jinx a thing, but this delay to me seems like it could be positive, making arrangments, saying goodbyes (to a bunch of (%$#!@'s (%$#!@'s)).... we can only hope, but I feel it a big NO was coming, we may have already heard it...I say something is up, something good....I hope!


I would be thinking that as well if I hadn't heard that David was sitting nervously in his hotel room.  If he was at the embassy - I would be jumping for joy.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: elainem on December 21, 2009, 04:55:46 PM
Thank god for Tab Browsing, i have CNN, Fox News, and BringSeanHome.org, so every 5 mins i hit the F5 button (REFRESH) and see if there are any new headlines.. Have to leave work in 4 mins. So come on people just give us the GOOD news already!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: nbianch on December 21, 2009, 04:55:55 PM
I need more tums. WHat was that on another thread about the verdict from Fox about waiting till Feb till all the judges decide?? Hope it is bogus
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 04:55:55 PM
Quote from: B.B;54315
Hi to everyone on the BSH site. I have been following this case closely since the first Dateline, I read the chats daily and have sent emails to congressman, to the US embassy and many emails directly to JPLS expressing to him directly what a piece of garbage I think he is. I am so excited to hear the long awaited news that we are all expecting. It is great that David is getting so much support and that this case is helping other people throughout the world facing similar situations of injustices.
Thanks for checking in and love those emails.
 
To all new visitors, please check out the threads on HR 3240. This problem is not limited to David and Sean. There are thousands of US children being held illegally in foreign countries. It is our hope to pass this important legislation that will help bring ALL these other children home. Maybe you can help, at least be informed. Welcome.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Chuckles on December 21, 2009, 04:56:21 PM
Quote from: kim in socal;54325
I believe the young woman is a Dateline NBC producer. I think they are following the story closely along with Chris Smith, of course!
This is correct.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 04:57:02 PM
I am heading out, I will miss all you guys, be back in two hours....the only news I want to miss is GOOD NEWS!   Aida, youre awesome, thanks for keeping me looped...may I come back to a forum full of CHEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Good luck David and Sean and the entire team!!!!  You'll be in my thoughts for the next two hours, at which point I will come back and keep sharing them, haha!
 
xoxoxo to you all
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: maggiemg17 on December 21, 2009, 04:57:18 PM
Prayers coming from Houston,TX.... I have been following David's story for months, I know it will turn out well!! Gotta think positive!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: nbianch on December 21, 2009, 04:57:44 PM
It is getting late in Brazil. Should we still expect this tonite?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 04:57:47 PM
Quote from: kim in socal;54325
I believe the young woman is a Dateline NBC producer. I think they are following the story closely along with Chris Smith, of course!
Hope it is not the Brazilian producer at CBSNews that is close to the kidnappers, brought them to NY for the CBS Early Show and is today writing dubious articles on the CBS News website to spread disinformation.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: momof3inPA on December 21, 2009, 04:58:12 PM
Going home, I can guarantee that I will be thinking of this until I rejoin you!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 04:58:38 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;54331
I am heading out, I will miss all you guys, be back in two hours....the only news I want to miss is GOOD NEWS! Aida, youre awesome, thanks for keeping me looped...may I come back to a forum full of CHEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Good luck David and Sean and the entire team!!!! You'll be in my thoughts for the next two hours, at which point I will come back and keep sharing them, haha!
 
xoxoxo to you all
Me, too. I can already feel the withdrawal setting in.   Must. find. a. computer.........
 
Later.  JL, if you're back, have one on me.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: TeleSkier on December 21, 2009, 04:58:46 PM
Quote from: JamesJosephs;54301
LUKIED will be appearing on CNN-HEADLINE NEWS at 5:00 p.m. or shortly thereafter.

For those without tv, here's a link for CNN live online:
http://freetubetv.net/index.php?view=1Y25ucGx1cw (http://freetubetv.net/index.php?view=1Y25ucGx1cw)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jlpoag on December 21, 2009, 04:59:31 PM
Quote from: Chuckles;54330
This is correct.

Thanks guys!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Chuckles on December 21, 2009, 04:59:40 PM
Quote from: BrazilianForJustice;54334
Hope it is not the Brazilian producer at CBSNews that is close to the kidnappers, brought them to NY for the CBS Early Show and is now write dubious articles on the CBS News website.

No.  That is, indeed, a producer from NBC who has been working closely on coverage of the case since the initial Dateline special ran.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 05:00:25 PM
JL...sent you pm...call me if ANYTHING happens please...gotta go get my son !
Title: Re: The verdict?
Post by: five4me on December 21, 2009, 05:01:06 PM
Last I saw Fox, they say the ruling *may* come tomorrow.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Aida on December 21, 2009, 05:01:32 PM
HLN Prime News Now!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Rio Gringa on December 21, 2009, 05:01:38 PM
*cursing*

Caso Goldman: decisões nos mandados de segurança serão divulgadas nesta terça-feira (22)

They're not releasing it til tomorrow.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: kim in socal on December 21, 2009, 05:02:14 PM
Page 99!
Oh no, hopefully there isn't a page limit on this thread!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Karensue on December 21, 2009, 05:02:34 PM
New tweet on STF site

If Goldman: decisions in the injunction will be released on Tuesday (22)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 05:02:55 PM
So why did the Supreme Court tweet that they would be announcing it today? They didn't have to promise a time, but they did!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jlpoag on December 21, 2009, 05:03:05 PM
Quote from: Rio Gringa;54343
*cursing*
 
Caso Goldman: decisões nos mandados de segurança serão divulgadas nesta terça-feira (22)
 
They're not releasing it til tomorrow.

Oh no! I am still going to be hopeful and I truly believe that this is all positive for David and Sean.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jtlund on December 21, 2009, 05:03:40 PM
I hope they do have some kind of plan to get Sean out quietly once they have the Order. I'd hate to see photos or video of him in distress. It is going to be SO hard on that child (thanks to the dark side). Hopefully, they have a private jet to bring him home. I'd loan him mine... oh yeah, I don't have one. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: GTfan on December 21, 2009, 05:03:40 PM
Decision to be released Tuesday via Twitter.. Keep the prayers going!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: kim in socal on December 21, 2009, 05:03:45 PM
!@#$%^&*()
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Irish17 on December 21, 2009, 05:03:54 PM
Quote from: TeleSkier;54337
For those without tv, here's a link for CNN live online:
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Thank you for this. I will be listening to this while trying to get more work done!! I am supposed to be leaving tomorrow for the rest of the week....
 
Oh Honorable Judge Mendes, please enough is enough, please send Sean Goldman home to his real grandparents with his real father!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 05:04:16 PM
Any news on Senator Lautenberg's effort?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Kerry on December 21, 2009, 05:04:24 PM
From the STF Site:


If Goldman: decisions in the injunction will be released on Tuesday (22)
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Bill33 on December 21, 2009, 05:05:09 PM
STF twitter site said the ruling on the Goldman case will be released on the 22nd...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: SageDad on December 21, 2009, 05:05:28 PM
Quote from: Rio Gringa;54343
*cursing*

Caso Goldman: decisões nos mandados de segurança serão divulgadas nesta terça-feira (22)

They're not releasing it til tomorrow.

:cloud:Getting off the computer now...

Hope you all have an EXCELLENT day.

David/Sean, you remain in my thoughts and prayers.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: JerseyGirl on December 21, 2009, 05:05:39 PM
STF twitter http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http://twitter.com/STF_oficial&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhitNr9s9z3p4ELtFcE2GvVkycak0A
 
If Goldman: decisions in the injunction will be released on Tuesday (22) 3 minutes ago (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http://twitter.com/STF_oficial/status/6906745544&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhgSEg3l7SPFQEPUSbYTmYO42QVx7g) from web
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 05:06:02 PM
Quote from: Bill33;54354
STF twitter site said the ruling on the Goldman case will be on the 22nd...


Will this be a REAL ruling or a statement that they will delay until February?
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 05:06:10 PM
'If Goldman' is a mistranslation, it says: "Goldman case:..."
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Dan_Plainview on December 21, 2009, 05:06:26 PM
Quote from: Kerry;54353
From the STF Site:


If Goldman: decisions in the injunction will be released on Tuesday (22)

I'm suspicious ...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Priss on December 21, 2009, 05:06:39 PM
:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Aida on December 21, 2009, 05:07:08 PM
:cloud:Hummmmm......Makes no sence. I am tired!:cloud:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jjsaunt on December 21, 2009, 05:07:37 PM
Quote from: Priss;54361
:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

 
Oh man.......
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tenorplus on December 21, 2009, 05:07:47 PM
Quote from: JamesJosephs;54301
LUKIED will be appearing on CNN-HEADLINE NEWS at 5:00 p.m. or shortly thereafter.
TERRIFIC! Thanks LukieD for all your help and support!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 05:08:23 PM
If Gilmar Mendes is taking his time must be because he is writing an elaborate ruling. That should be very good news...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tomas on December 21, 2009, 05:08:43 PM
I disagree. I think if the news were POSITIVE for the "country of brazil" it would have been announced tonight.  They are delaying it because they know people will not be happy..

Thats my opinion of course...but you better believe the courts know the world is watching...and I think they would want to preach good news as fast and loud as they could.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Lily on December 21, 2009, 05:08:45 PM
Quote from: lbl;54359
To me this is positive...why ? because they have to set up everything correctly before his departure to NJ and will be less stressful for Sean to leave tomorrow during the day.

I agree!  A negative ruling would be easy to render, a positive ruling must take more time to dot all i's and cross all t's!  I will pray hard tonight!!!!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Eccaka on December 21, 2009, 05:08:53 PM
Quote from: Kerry;54353
From the STF Site:


If Goldman: decisions in the injunction will be released on Tuesday (22)


UGH! This is horrible horrible horrible awful for David and Sean. Also I only have a week of vacation and I now spent THE ENTIRE day in front of the computer hitting refresh repeatedly. The decision-- the RIGHT decision-- better come out first thing in the A.M. so I don't have to spend another day sitting here. AHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Aida on December 21, 2009, 05:08:55 PM
LukieD is now on HLN. Commercial.....
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tenorplus on December 21, 2009, 05:09:28 PM
Off to an appointment and will check back later - for sure tomorrow! My/our prayers are ALWAYS for David and Sean... and all the other LBPs and their abducted children!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Priss on December 21, 2009, 05:10:21 PM
Quote from: BrazilianForJustice;54366
If Gilmar Mendes is taking his time must be because he is writing an elaborate ruling. That should be very good news...


Maybe something to fight their recent appeal??  I heard some where that the family already put in an appeal.   Here's crossing but my dad is starting to think I'm crazy.   >.<  



CNN on now!!!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 05:10:32 PM
Quote from: tomas;54367
I disagree. I think if the news were POSITIVE for the "country of brazil" it would have been announced tonight.  They are delaying it because they know people will not be happy..

Thats my opinion of course...but you better believe the courts know the world is watching...and I think they would want to preach good news as fast and loud as they could.
Maybe, but hope that is not the case. A day won't make the attention of everyone to move away. Even in the age of 24/7 news this is an unacceptable way for countries to behave. The power of a corrupt political class against a defenseless child. One day won't make us forget what is at stake.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: pam.in.ny on December 21, 2009, 05:10:58 PM
Just in from CNN. Ruling should be tomorrow.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 05:11:24 PM
Quote from: Lily;54368
I agree!  A negative ruling would be easy to render, a positive ruling must take more time to dot all i's and cross all t's!  I will pray hard tonight!!!!!!

Again, to be cautiously optimistic, we have been here before.  I am simply playing devil's advocate by saying they could be making sure they have adequate responses for the AGU since they filed the writ.  I hope this is a good thing, but I don't want to feel too sure of anything.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: tomas on December 21, 2009, 05:11:32 PM
Quote from: BrazilianForJustice;54373
Maybe, but hope that is not the case. A day won't make the attention of everyone to move away. Even in the age of 24/7 news. I hope.
I pray it's not the case, it's just my gut feeling

:mad2:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Eccaka on December 21, 2009, 05:11:33 PM
Quote from: Priss;54361
:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:


I wholeheartedly agree. So incredibly frustrating
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 05:11:37 PM
Quote from: BrazilianForJustice;54373
Maybe, but hope that is not the case. A day won't make the attention of everyone to move away. Even in the age of 24/7 news. I hope.

GAH!!! CNN now says tomorrow...sorry I left an hour ago at page 73 and now we're at 101!  People! I can't catch up! LOL!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: B.B on December 21, 2009, 05:12:31 PM
Quote from: lbl;54359
To me this is positive...why ? because they have to set up everything correctly before his departure to NJ and will be less stressful for Sean to leave tomorrow during the day.

 
I like your positive thinking...I pray that you are right
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: njmom28 on December 21, 2009, 05:12:41 PM
Been following this story for over 2 years as well but first time posting. Just wanted to thank all of you for your efforts and all the information and I will continue to lend my support and prayers.  Let's keep it up!!  I know in my heart this will help!  What an amazing group of people you are...
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: nina on December 21, 2009, 05:14:03 PM
From Rio to NJ.....

- United flight at 11:25pm
- Delta flight at 11:00pm
- American Airlines at 10:10pm

....I am positive David will have lunch with Sean before heading to the airport!!

Fingers crossed and lots of praying on this side of the world!!:clapping:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Irish17 on December 21, 2009, 05:15:47 PM
Ok people the decision is supposed to be released tomorrow. so unless there is another thread or something go and do what you need to do. You know that you will be glued back here, same time, same chanell waiting for the decision.  
 
Once again us people in the west will be asleep when this decision could be issued.  If you happen to have my text number and it is issued, please don't be shy!!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected Monday: 5:00pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED
Post by: zipbags on December 21, 2009, 05:16:50 PM
tomorrow morning, afternoon, evening??
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 05:16:58 PM
Quote from: nina;54381
From Rio to NJ.....

- United flight at 11:25pm
- Delta flight at 11:00pm
- American Airlines at 10:10pm

....I am positive David will have lunch with Sean before heading to the airport!!

Fingers crossed and lots of praying on this side of the world!!:clapping:
Maybe Bill Clinton's friend Steve Bing can send his plane, as he did to fetch him and the journalists who crossed into North Korea...
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: JonathanR on December 21, 2009, 05:18:55 PM
Well one more night isn't the end of the world...
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 05:19:58 PM
It will be if it's an unfavorable ruling tomorrow.....I can't believe I have sat in front of this computer all day long on my one and only day off!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: five4me on December 21, 2009, 05:20:18 PM
Quote from: JonathanR;54388
Well one more night isn't the end of the world...

Unless you are David and Sean...:(
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Kerry on December 21, 2009, 05:21:09 PM
Will check back later after I have got rid of the heartburn I have developed whilst sitting here all day and worrying.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: ATAYLOR on December 21, 2009, 05:21:59 PM
This is so...stressful...I can't even begin to imagine how David feels right now.  Keep praying!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: vivienne on December 21, 2009, 05:22:27 PM
At least LukieD was right and warned that the decision might be rendered tomorrow. Thanks, LukieD!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: DB4 on December 21, 2009, 05:22:46 PM
As we wait again -- I just want to say I love Congressman Smith.  I assume he is still there.   He's so far away from his own family during this holiday week -- making a sacrifice because he honestly cares about David and Sean.  Thank you Congressman Smith -- and thanks to your family for supporting you as you take this on!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: pam.in.ny on December 21, 2009, 05:23:44 PM
Another day at work tomorrow of not getting anything accomplished. Praying tonight that tomorrow we will hear early that Sean is coming home. Saying prayers here.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Bree on December 21, 2009, 05:24:02 PM
Quote from: DB4;54395
As we wait again -- I just want to say I love Congressman Smith. I assume he is still there. He's so far away from his own family during this holiday week -- making a sacrifice because he honestly cares about David and Sean. Thank you Congressman Smith -- and thanks to your family for supporting you as you take this on!

:yeahthat:
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: tstravis on December 21, 2009, 05:24:19 PM
i agree, Congressman Smith, you are a true American hero for helping David, and blessings to your wife for wanting you to get involved also!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: kmoor88 on December 21, 2009, 05:24:56 PM
What a day! Well one good thing Guenevere will be a senior member by tomorrow.
I am hoping this delay is for good reasons only.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 21, 2009, 05:25:21 PM
Hopefully I will be able to disengage my shoulders from my ears by the morning; just to get up and start all over again! Poor David.....I can't even imagine HIS stress levels!!
 
More time for us all to PRAY!!!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: nina on December 21, 2009, 05:25:38 PM
Gilmar Mendes postpones decision on Tuesday this boy Sean

Decision of the President of the Supreme was expected for this second.
Child of 9 years is the subject of dispute for biological father and Brazilian family.

Do G1, em Brasília


The President of the Supreme Court (STF), Gilmar Mendes, postponed to this Tuesday (22) the decision on the injunction presented by David Goldman, father of Sean, age 9, and by the Attorney General's Office (PGR ) against the interim decision that keeps the boy in Brazil. The decision was expected in the second (21).

 

According to a spokesperson of the Supreme, there is no schedule for Mendes decide on the matter. The boy is the subject of dispute between his family and Brazilian father.


The injunction has prevented the return of the boy to the United States was taken by the boy's grandmother, Silvana Bianchi, last Thursday (17), knocking Court decision, one day before, had given within 48 hours for the family Brazilian deliver the boy to the biological father.

According to the minister Marco Aurélio Mello, who granted the injunction suspending the delivery boy, Sean should stay in Brazil until the final trial of the action that calls for Silvana taken testimony from Sean so he decides to leave this country with his biological father or stay in Brazil with the Brazilian family.


On Friday (18), the boy's father and the Attorney General of the Union (AGU) filed two writs of mandamus with preliminary injunction seeking suspension of the interim decision of Marcus Aurelius.

Dispute

Sean lives in Brazil for almost five years, when he came to the United States with his mother. In Brazil, Bruna Bianchi broke away from David and married lawyer John Paulo Lins e Silva. In 2008, after the death of Bruna, the stepfather was the temporary custody of the child. David Goldman, however, filed a lawsuit and calls since the return of the child to the United States.

Father and stepfather fighting a legal battle for custody of the boy. The case began in state court in Rio and then went to federal jurisdiction. Goldman argues that Brazil violates an international convention to deny their right to custody. Since the Brazilian family of the boy says, by "social-reasons", he should remain in the country.(http://www.google.co.in/images/cleardot.gif)
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: BrazaBoy on December 21, 2009, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: tstravis;54398
i agree, Congressman Smith, you are a true American hero for helping David, and blessings to your wife for wanting you to get involved also!


I want Congressman Smith for PRESIDENT!
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: jjsaunt on December 21, 2009, 05:27:14 PM
Off page 99 - I think Rio Gringa was first:
 
Quote from: Rio Gringa;54343
*cursing*
 
Caso Goldman: decisões nos mandados de segurança serão divulgadas nesta terça-feira (22)
 
They're not releasing it til tomorrow.

Translated off STF Tweet site:
 
Goldman Case: decisions in the injunction will be released on Tuesday (22)
 
My hope is that if the decision is for David, the judge has authorised the police to verify Sean's location. With Liam McCarty disapearing from the courthouse, and Tostes "David is a unfit father" comment, I am not confident that any transfer will be civilized.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 05:27:58 PM
From this morning... (reload the page to replay)

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Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Jackie in Upstate NY on December 21, 2009, 05:31:28 PM
Quote from: Lily;54275
My children will be eating cereal for dinner tonight...is that wrong??!!! Can't stop checking!!!!
Thats what we're having at this point .... w/ toast !
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: jjsaunt on December 21, 2009, 05:32:09 PM
Quote from: nina;54401
Gilmar Mendes postpones decision on Tuesday this boy Sean
 
Sean lives in Brazil for almost five years, when he came to the United States with his mother. In Brazil, Bruna Bianchi broke away from David and married lawyer John Paulo Lins e Silva. In 2008, after the death of Bruna, the stepfather was the temporary custody of the child. David Goldman, however, filed a lawsuit and calls since the return of the child to the United States.(http://www.google.co.in/images/cleardot.gif)

I think that should be "came from" and not "came to the United States".  
It still urks me that they keep leaving off the fact that Bruna abducted Sean to Brazil and that David filed the 1st lawsuit in 2004 and that case was still in appeals court when Bruna died.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: janelr on December 21, 2009, 05:32:43 PM
Quote from: kmoor88;54399
What a day! Well one good thing Guenevere will be a senior member by tomorrow.
I am hoping this delay is for good reasons only.


This is hysterical!  I also want to echo all of the comments about Congressman Smith that have been said before!  God Bless this man.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: noah3698 on December 21, 2009, 05:33:46 PM
If Mendes overturns Mello's stay does the 48h's timeline goes back into effect and would they consider the 24 hours that went by before Mello granted the stay???  I am seriously on my last nerve right now.  
 
-Chrissy
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sflady on December 21, 2009, 05:34:59 PM
This waiting is ridiculous!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: jjsaunt on December 21, 2009, 05:36:08 PM
Quote from: DB4;54395
As we wait again -- I just want to say I love Congressman Smith. I assume he is still there. He's so far away from his own family during this holiday week -- making a sacrifice because he honestly cares about David and Sean. Thank you Congressman Smith -- and thanks to your family for supporting you as you take this on!

My congressman thinks it more important ..... no that would be rude.  He has his good points.  Maybe now that he has decided to retire, he will sign on HR3240 & 2702 and leave a positive legacy.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Bob D'Amico on December 21, 2009, 05:38:45 PM
I'll bet Mendes is trying to "punt" this up to Lula who could end it all instantly.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: five4me on December 21, 2009, 05:40:54 PM
Quote from: Bob D'Amico;54414
I'll bet Mendes is trying to "punt" this up to Lula who could end it all instantly.

He could.  Question is, will he?  And will he do it not just to end the media blitz around Sean but also to end the nightmare for the other LBPs?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 05:41:32 PM
Quote from: Bob D'Amico;54414
I'll bet Mendes is trying to "punt" this up to Lula who could end it all instantly.


From your keypad to God's ears
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 05:49:18 PM
Quote from: Bob D'Amico;54414
I'll bet Mendes is trying to "punt" this up to Lula who could end it all instantly.

I am hoping with every fiber of my being that you are right!! What I am also hoping is that he is taking his time to wirte his decision so that there is NO room for appeal...as Tunevsk stated,...he's making sure his language is clear!!  Sean needs to come home!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: DB4 on December 21, 2009, 05:50:22 PM
Quote from: Bob D'Amico;54414
I'll bet Mendes is trying to "punt" this up to Lula who could end it all instantly.

Then I hope President Obama puts a call into Lula tonight to urge him to finish this and do the right thing -- now that even the Brazilian people understand how unjust and ridiculous the events of the last 5 years have been!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: chutt123 on December 21, 2009, 05:57:31 PM
I don't remember what tweet actually said but on the main page of this site it said:

5:30 PM EST: The Brazilian Supreme Court announced that the decision by Chief Justice Gilmar Mendes on on quashing the injunction by Justice Marco Aurélio de Mello will NOT be made public until Tuesday 12/22.

PUBLIC? Does that mean it might be done privately? And get them out of the country?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 05:57:43 PM
July 21st, 2009:

Meredith Vieira: What do you think we should be doing if a country is violating the treaty, should we be imposing trade sanctions on Brazil?

President Obama: Well, I, the encouraging thing is, as you've seen, in the Brazilian court now.. ruled in favor of Mr. Goldman, ah, it, I understand it is now on appeal, and I can only imagine how frustrating this must be for.. him. Ah, we have advised the Brazilian government that we want to move this forward expeditiously, and we want folks to abide by international law...

Meredith: Where is the, you know, the carrot and the stick, where is the stick in this...

POTUS: Well, we, to the extent that we think that the Brazilian courts are not operating in good faith, and in a timely fashion, ah, obviously we can consider what, what further options to take. At this point, I don't have an indication from the Brazilian government that... they.. are trying to block progress on this front, and as long as we are making, ah, swift progress to get this resolved, then we are gonna keep working those channels.


(reload page to replay)

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Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: DB4 on December 21, 2009, 05:59:26 PM
Quote from: chutt123;54421
I don't remember what tweet actually said but on the main page of this site it said:
 
5:30 PM EST: The Brazilian Supreme Court announced that the decision by Chief Justice Gilmar Mendes on on quashing the injunction by Justice Marco Aurélio de Mello will NOT be made public until Tuesday 12/22.
 
PUBLIC? Does that mean it might be done privately? And get them out of the country?

Can you imagine? I would love to wake up in the morning to find out Sean and David are just arriving at Newark Airport. One can dream.....
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: luisa on December 21, 2009, 06:02:40 PM
but could this decision be further appealed or not? when do the appeals end?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: ChristineS on December 21, 2009, 06:04:54 PM
Quote from: Bob D'Amico;54414
I'll bet Mendes is trying to "punt" this up to Lula who could end it all instantly.

 
Now that would do wonders for Brazil's tarnished reputation in the eyes of the international community.  Can you imagine?  If that happens, just how VERY FAR BringSeanHome.org has brought this small grass roots campaign from the few to the many to the highest offices in both nations.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 06:06:16 PM
Quote from: chutt123;54421
I don't remember what tweet actually said but on the main page of this site it said:

5:30 PM EST: The Brazilian Supreme Court announced that the decision by Chief Justice Gilmar Mendes on on quashing the injunction by Justice Marco Aurélio de Mello will NOT be made public until Tuesday 12/22.

PUBLIC? Does that mean it might be done privately? And get them out of the country?

God only knows (and Mendes of course) what and when he will make it public. Also, Dec. 22nd starts in just under 3 hours in Rio...
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: janelr on December 21, 2009, 06:06:49 PM
Quote from: ChristineS;54425
Now that would do wonders for Brazil's tarnished reputation in the eyes of the international community.  Can you imagine?  If that happens, just how VERY FAR BringSeanHome.org has brought this small grass roots campaign from the few to the many to the highest offices in both nations.


I know - it is like my signature quote by Margaret Mead says - and I truly believe it - don't mess with a bunch of people united for good!!!!!  You'll never win!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Herb Wife on December 21, 2009, 06:10:21 PM
Quote from: nina;54401
Gilmar Mendes postpones decision on Tuesday this boy Sean
 
Decision of the President of the Supreme was expected for this second.
Child of 9 years is the subject of dispute for biological father and Brazilian family.
 
Do G1, em Brasília
 
 
The President of the Supreme Court (STF), Gilmar Mendes, postponed to this Tuesday (22) the decision on the injunction presented by David Goldman, father of Sean, age 9, and by the Attorney General's Office (PGR ) against the interim decision that keeps the boy in Brazil. The decision was expected in the second (21).
 
 
 
According to a spokesperson of the Supreme, there is no schedule for Mendes decide on the matter. The boy is the subject of dispute between his family and Brazilian father.
 
 
The injunction has prevented the return of the boy to the United States was taken by the boy's grandmother, Silvana Bianchi, last Thursday (17), knocking Court decision, one day before, had given within 48 hours for the family Brazilian deliver the boy to the biological father.
 
According to the minister Marco Aurélio Mello, who granted the injunction suspending the delivery boy, Sean should stay in Brazil until the final trial of the action that calls for Silvana taken testimony from Sean so he decides to leave this country with his biological father or stay in Brazil with the Brazilian family.
 
 
On Friday (18), the boy's father and the Attorney General of the Union (AGU) filed two writs of mandamus with preliminary injunction seeking suspension of the interim decision of Marcus Aurelius.
 
Dispute
 
Sean lives in Brazil for almost five years, when he came to the United States with his mother. In Brazil, Bruna Bianchi broke away from David and married lawyer John Paulo Lins e Silva. In 2008, after the death of Bruna, the stepfather was the temporary custody of the child. David Goldman, however, filed a lawsuit and calls since the return of the child to the United States.
 
Father and stepfather fighting a legal battle for custody of the boy. The case began in state court in Rio and then went to federal jurisdiction. Goldman argues that Brazil violates an international convention to deny their right to custody. Since the Brazilian family of the boy says, by "social-reasons", he should remain in the country.(http://www.google.co.in/images/cleardot.gif)

nina...can you post link to this? I want to ping it Thanks
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Wendy on December 21, 2009, 06:11:32 PM
Quote from: janelr;54427
I know - it is like my signature quote by Margaret Mead says - and I truly believe it - don't mess with a bunch of people united for good!!!!! You'll never win!

Indeed!  I don't know about y'all...but I am totally emotionally drained!!  What a day!  Here's to hoping that tomorrow we FINALLY see some sanity from Brazil!!  Hoping that Justice Mendes is taking his time to write a decision that leaves NO room for error, NO room for appeals and the wheel's are up tomorrow!!
 
Night all!!!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Jackie in Upstate NY on December 21, 2009, 06:17:49 PM
Quote from: chutt123;54421
I don't remember what tweet actually said but on the main page of this site it said:
 
5:30 PM EST: The Brazilian Supreme Court announced that the decision by Chief Justice Gilmar Mendes on on quashing the injunction by Justice Marco Aurélio de Mello will NOT be made public until Tuesday 12/22.
 
PUBLIC? Does that mean it might be done privately? And get them out of the country?
I'M HOPING and THINK'IN THATS WHAT IS GO'IN ON - Not going to sleep well after a day of chocolate and nerves ... but I'll be up bright and early to find out ! ( ... and I won't be alone here either - will I ?!)
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 06:24:26 PM
I am really hoping that this does not drag on all day again!  Poor David!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 06:26:17 PM
ok - I had a day off to bake and clean - and I did neither.  I am still drinking coffee and wishing I had a big, gorgeous Conan to rub the kinks out of my shoulders.  

But - I just watched my little boy dance to the 'Hot Chocolate' song from the Polar Express. Kinda puts things in perspective.  

Thoughts on tomorrow? I don't even want to venture a guess.  Every time I think I have it figured out, they slip the rug out from underneath us all.  Poor David and poor Sean.

I believe Mendes would have to need EXTREME justification to deny a writ issued by the AGU.  Maybe he doesn't care?  Who knows.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 06:27:13 PM
Lukie was on again with the same lawyer and this time a psychologist and all were saying Sean needs to come home.  Good interview.  I really would think Brazil is going to do the right thing this time with all this negative media attention and knowing we are not going away.  I also hope that Chris Smith stays there until David and Sean are on a plane!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: BrazilianFriend on December 21, 2009, 06:27:35 PM
Tostes is promising to continue with either a blizzard of legal maneuvers or to accompany Sean to the US.  I hope the creepy guy goes in a separate flight.

Google Translate follows and original text is at the end.

Brazilian Friend


**************
Rio
If Sean: grandmother can enter another resource
240 words
21 December 2009
The Globe
GLOBE
13
Portuguese
(c) AGENCY GLOBE - http://www.agenciaoglobo.com.br - Facts that make history TELS: 55 21 534-5656 / 5568/5637 E-mail: agglobo@oglobo.com.br AGENCY GLOBE - http://www.agenciaoglobo.com . br - Facts That Make History TELS: 55 21 534-5656 / 5568/5637 E-mail: agglobo@oglobo.com.br.

Duila Victor

Attorney Sergio Tostes, defending the family of the mother of Sean Goldman, age 9, will open a war of injunctions in the Supreme Court (STF), if the court accepted maximum of mandamus that would give the biological father, David Goldman, the right to take the child immediately from Rio to the United States.

The Attorney General's Office and lawyers for David entered Friday with the Supreme Court injunction against the decision of the Minister Marco Aurelio Mello to leave the boy in Brazil, until it is judged by the request of the Supreme maternal grandmother, Silvana Bianchi, for the boy say want to live.

Minister Gilmar Mendes - for whom the application was sent, according to the Supreme Court - the judge today injunction.

- I have full confidence that the Supreme Court will not accept the warrant, but if the worst happens, I have the text ready to enter new injunction immediately - advises Tostes.

In the case of Sean being taken by his father to the U.S., Tostes guarantees that will accompany the boy to defend him before the American courts.



Rio
 Caso Sean: avó pode entrar com outro recurso
240 words
21 December 2009
O Globo (http://javascript:void(0))
GLOBO
13
Portuguese
(c) AGÊNCIA O GLOBO -   www.agenciaoglobo.com.br (http://javascript:void(0)) - Fatos que fazem História TELS: 55 21 534-5656/5568/5637 E-mail: agglobo@oglobo.com.br  AGÊNCIA O GLOBO -   www.agenciaoglobo.com.br (http://javascript:void(0)) - Facts that make History TELS: 55 21 534-5656/5568/5637 E-mail: agglobo@oglobo.com.br.  
  Duilo Victor
 O advogado Sérgio Tostes, que defende a família da mãe de Sean Goldman, de 9 anos, abrirá uma guerra de liminares no Supremo Tribunal Federal (STF), caso a corte máxima aceite o mandado de segurança que daria ao pai biológico, David Goldman, o direito de levar o menino imediatamente do Rio para os Estados Unidos.
 A Advocacia Geral da União e advogados de David entraram sexta-feira no STF com mandados de segurança contra a decisão do ministro Marco Aurélio Mello de deixar o menino no Brasil, até que seja julgado pelo Supremo o pedido da avó materna, Silvana Bianchi, para o menino dizer onde quer morar.
 O ministro Gilmar Mendes — para quem o recurso foi encaminhado, segundo o STF — julgará hoje o mandado de segurança.
 — Tenho plena confiança de que o STF não vai aceitar o mandado, mas, se o pior acontecer, já tenho pronto o texto para entrar com nova liminar imediatamente — avisa Tostes.
 Na hipótese de Sean ser levado pelo pai para os EUA, Tostes garante que vai acompanhar o menino, para defendê-lo perante à Justiça americana.
Title: I JUST READ MONDAY 21!
Post by: Roberta Palermo on December 21, 2009, 06:29:49 PM
They will tell what they decide tomorrow!

Roberta Palermo
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 06:30:41 PM
Quote from: BrazilianFriend;54436
Tostes is promising to continue with either a blizzard of legal maneuvers or to accompany Sean to the US. I hope the creepy guy goes in a separate flight.
 
Google Translate follows and original text is at the end.
 
Brazilian Friend
 
 
**************
Rio
If Sean: grandmother can enter another resource
240 words
21 December 2009
The Globe
GLOBE
13
Portuguese
(c) AGENCY GLOBE - www.agenciaoglobo.com.br (http://www.agenciaoglobo.com.br) - Facts that make history TELS: 55 21 534-5656 / 5568/5637 E-mail: agglobo@oglobo.com.br (agglobo@oglobo.com.br) AGENCY GLOBE - www.agenciaoglobo.com (http://www.agenciaoglobo.com) . br - Facts That Make History TELS: 55 21 534-5656 / 5568/5637 E-mail: agglobo@oglobo.com.br (agglobo@oglobo.com.br).
 
Duila Victor
 
Attorney Sergio Tostes, defending the family of the mother of Sean Goldman, age 9, will open a war of injunctions in the Supreme Court (STF), if the court accepted maximum of mandamus that would give the biological father, David Goldman, the right to take the child immediately from Rio to the United States.
 
The Attorney General's Office and lawyers for David entered Friday with the Supreme Court injunction against the decision of the Minister Marco Aurelio Mello to leave the boy in Brazil, until it is judged by the request of the Supreme maternal grandmother, Silvana Bianchi, for the boy say want to live.
 
Minister Gilmar Mendes - for whom the application was sent, according to the Supreme Court - the judge today injunction.
 
- I have full confidence that the Supreme Court will not accept the warrant, but if the worst happens, I have the text ready to enter new injunction immediately - advises Tostes.
 
In the case of Sean being taken by his father to the U.S., Tostes guarantees that will accompany the boy to defend him before the American courts.
 
 
 
Rio
Caso Sean: avó pode entrar com outro recurso
240 words
21 December 2009
O Globo (http://javascript:void(0))
GLOBO
13
Portuguese
(c) AGÊNCIA O GLOBO - www.agenciaoglobo.com.br (http://javascript:void(0)) - Fatos que fazem História TELS: 55 21 534-5656/5568/5637 E-mail: agglobo@oglobo.com.br (agglobo@oglobo.com.br) AGÊNCIA O GLOBO - www.agenciaoglobo.com.br (http://javascript:void(0)) - Facts that make History TELS: 55 21 534-5656/5568/5637 E-mail: agglobo@oglobo.com.br (agglobo@oglobo.com.br).
Duilo Victor
O advogado Sérgio Tostes, que defende a família da mãe de Sean Goldman, de 9 anos, abrirá uma guerra de liminares no Supremo Tribunal Federal (STF), caso a corte máxima aceite o mandado de segurança que daria ao pai biológico, David Goldman, o direito de levar o menino imediatamente do Rio para os Estados Unidos.
A Advocacia Geral da União e advogados de David entraram sexta-feira no STF com mandados de segurança contra a decisão do ministro Marco Aurélio Mello de deixar o menino no Brasil, até que seja julgado pelo Supremo o pedido da avó materna, Silvana Bianchi, para o menino dizer onde quer morar.
O ministro Gilmar Mendes — para quem o recurso foi encaminhado, segundo o STF — julgará hoje o mandado de segurança.
— Tenho plena confiança de que o STF não vai aceitar o mandado, mas, se o pior acontecer, já tenho pronto o texto para entrar com nova liminar imediatamente — avisa Tostes.
Na hipótese de Sean ser levado pelo pai para os EUA, Tostes garante que vai acompanhar o menino, para defendê-lo perante à Justiça americana.
Perfect!  Come on over and defend them in the NJ courts!  What an idiot!
Title: Re: I JUST READ MONDAY 21!
Post by: Roberta Palermo on December 21, 2009, 06:31:06 PM
They will tell the decisions on tuesday, 22

Roberta Palermo
Family Therapist
http://www.robertapalermo.com.br
Title: Re: I JUST READ MONDAY 21!
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 06:34:41 PM
Quote from: Roberta Palermo;54439
They will tell the decisions on tuesday, 22

Roberta Palermo
Family Therapist
http://www.robertapalermo.com.br


Thoughts?  I find it interesting that Tostes is already saying he will file an appeal to god himself if Mendes does not rule in his favor.  Normally he is not so vehement.  I especially like that he will accompany Sean to the US.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: JonathanR on December 21, 2009, 06:35:40 PM
Quote from: gail;54438
Perfect! Come on over and defend them in the NJ courts! What an idiot!

he's gonna make DEMANDS on US soil about the fate of an american child held captive in brazil, whose stay HE HELPED FACILITATE?!!! I hope he's shot on site....:cloud:
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: tweinstein on December 21, 2009, 06:37:01 PM
Quote from: luisa;54424
but could this decision be further appealed or not? when do the appeals end?
The AGU addressed this in their latest motion. It is unlikely that further appeals from the JPLS crew would be accepted.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: DB4 on December 21, 2009, 06:37:09 PM
Quote from: BrazilianFriend;54436
Tostes is promising to continue with either a blizzard of legal maneuvers or to accompany Sean to the US. I hope the creepy guy goes in a separate flight.
 
Google Translate follows and original text is at the end.
 
Brazilian Friend
 
 
**************
Rio
If Sean: grandmother can enter another resource
240 words
21 December 2009
The Globe
GLOBE
13
Portuguese
(c) AGENCY GLOBE - www.agenciaoglobo.com.br (http://www.agenciaoglobo.com.br) - Facts that make history TELS: 55 21 534-5656 / 5568/5637 E-mail: agglobo@oglobo.com.br (agglobo@oglobo.com.br) AGENCY GLOBE - www.agenciaoglobo.com (http://www.agenciaoglobo.com) . br - Facts That Make History TELS: 55 21 534-5656 / 5568/5637 E-mail: agglobo@oglobo.com.br (agglobo@oglobo.com.br).
 
Duila Victor
 
Attorney Sergio Tostes, defending the family of the mother of Sean Goldman, age 9, will open a war of injunctions in the Supreme Court (STF), if the court accepted maximum of mandamus that would give the biological father, David Goldman, the right to take the child immediately from Rio to the United States.
 
The Attorney General's Office and lawyers for David entered Friday with the Supreme Court injunction against the decision of the Minister Marco Aurelio Mello to leave the boy in Brazil, until it is judged by the request of the Supreme maternal grandmother, Silvana Bianchi, for the boy say want to live.
 
Minister Gilmar Mendes - for whom the application was sent, according to the Supreme Court - the judge today injunction.
 
- I have full confidence that the Supreme Court will not accept the warrant, but if the worst happens, I have the text ready to enter new injunction immediately - advises Tostes.
 
In the case of Sean being taken by his father to the U.S., Tostes guarantees that will accompany the boy to defend him before the American courts.
 
 
 
Rio
Caso Sean: avó pode entrar com outro recurso
240 words
21 December 2009
O Globo (http://javascript:void(0))
GLOBO
13
Portuguese
(c) AGÊNCIA O GLOBO - www.agenciaoglobo.com.br (http://javascript:void(0)) - Fatos que fazem História TELS: 55 21 534-5656/5568/5637 E-mail: agglobo@oglobo.com.br (agglobo@oglobo.com.br) AGÊNCIA O GLOBO - www.agenciaoglobo.com.br (http://javascript:void(0)) - Facts that make History TELS: 55 21 534-5656/5568/5637 E-mail: agglobo@oglobo.com.br (agglobo@oglobo.com.br).
Duilo Victor
O advogado Sérgio Tostes, que defende a família da mãe de Sean Goldman, de 9 anos, abrirá uma guerra de liminares no Supremo Tribunal Federal (STF), caso a corte máxima aceite o mandado de segurança que daria ao pai biológico, David Goldman, o direito de levar o menino imediatamente do Rio para os Estados Unidos.
A Advocacia Geral da União e advogados de David entraram sexta-feira no STF com mandados de segurança contra a decisão do ministro Marco Aurélio Mello de deixar o menino no Brasil, até que seja julgado pelo Supremo o pedido da avó materna, Silvana Bianchi, para o menino dizer onde quer morar.
O ministro Gilmar Mendes — para quem o recurso foi encaminhado, segundo o STF — julgará hoje o mandado de segurança.
— Tenho plena confiança de que o STF não vai aceitar o mandado, mas, se o pior acontecer, já tenho pronto o texto para entrar com nova liminar imediatamente — avisa Tostes.
Na hipótese de Sean ser levado pelo pai para os EUA, Tostes garante que vai acompanhar o menino, para defendê-lo perante à Justiça americana.
\
 
This guy has no clue and definitely no soul!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 06:38:01 PM
'I have full confidence that the Supreme Court will not accept the warrant, but if the worst happens, I have the text ready to enter new injunction immediately - advises Tostes'

Should we be worried about this - or is it just more trash talk from this bloated puss bag?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 06:38:42 PM
He's a buffoon!
Title: Re: I JUST READ MONDAY 21!
Post by: Atlantic965 on December 21, 2009, 06:38:57 PM
:nervous:  I hope somenone is keeping tabs on Silvana and Raimundo. I am scared they will sneak away into the night with Sean and vanish.
 
 
 
Quote from: Roberta Palermo;54439
They will tell the decisions on tuesday, 22
 
Roberta Palermo
Family Therapist
www.robertapalermo.com.br (http://www.robertapalermo.com.br)
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 06:39:15 PM
OK, let the bastard come to the US. We'll issue a warrant for obstruction of justice...

But, the fact alone, that he is prepared to do this, tells me that he knows Sean will leave VERY soon...

Again, another day w/o LeS in sight - how refreshing :)
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 06:39:25 PM
Quote from: tweinstein;54446
The AGU addressed this in their latest motion. It is unlikely that further appeals from the JPLS crew would be accepted.
I hope they do the right thing.
Title: Re: I JUST READ MONDAY 21!
Post by: Roberta Palermo on December 21, 2009, 06:41:25 PM
So Tostes I hope will have a nice trip to USA and you can stay there forever!

Roberta
Family Therapist
http://www.robertapalermo.com.br


Quote from: lovellboys;54444
Thoughts?  I find it interesting that Tostes is already saying he will file an appeal to god himself if Mendes does not rule in his favor.  Normally he is not so vehement.  I especially like that he will accompany Sean to the US.
Title: Re: I JUST READ MONDAY 21!
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 06:42:55 PM
Quote from: Roberta Palermo;54456
So Tostes I hope will have a nice trip to USA and you can stay there forever!

Roberta
Family Therapist
http://www.robertapalermo.com.br


Ummm - sorry, but we don't really want him :D
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 21, 2009, 06:43:20 PM
In the same spirit the dark side offered David to have Christmas dinner with them, I'd like to offer Mr. Toasted transportation from the airport and lodging for his stay in the U.S. Should he not accept it will be interpreted as him not having Sean's best interest in mind. Should he chose to accept we'll just have ourselves a GRAND old time here in Joisey!!
Title: Re: I JUST READ MONDAY 21!
Post by: Karistx on December 21, 2009, 06:43:26 PM
first time to post...I have been glued to my cnn page all day. waiting for news.
I have followed this ordeal for two years. I have visions of sean and his dad in the airport with camera everywhere BRING HIM HOME~!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: pam.in.ny on December 21, 2009, 06:44:09 PM
Quote from: BrazilianFriend;54436
Attorney Sergio Tostes, defending the family of the mother of Sean Goldman, age 9, will open a war of injunctions in the Supreme Court (STF), if the court accepted maximum of mandamus that would give the biological father, David Goldman, the right to take the child immediately from Rio to the United States.


OMG, won't Tostes quit this BS and just let Sean come home? Where is the president of Brazil? What does he think of all this and doesn't he have some kind of executive power to put a stop to this nonsense and abuse of the courts and of Sean? Maybe we should email him again?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: jjsaunt on December 21, 2009, 06:44:12 PM
Quote from: BrazilianFriend;54436

 
In the case of Sean being taken by his father to the U.S., Tostes guarantees that will accompany the boy to defend him before the American courts.

For anyone who thinks that "once it is over, it is over", Tostes isn't going along with that.  When the stay is lifted and David & Sean are in New Jersey, it looks like there will still be court cases going Brazil.  But Tostes isn't stopping there.
 
New Jersey granted David full custody in 2004 or 2005 when Bruna failed to show up in the US custody court.  Tostes's statement above implies that he is planning on fighting David in the US courts.  That would be a custody battle and not a Federal Treaty battle (Hague Convention).  I could understand if New Jersey allowed (and then squashed) a custody request by Bruna's family, but could they drag this into a US appeals court?
Title: Re: I JUST READ MONDAY 21!
Post by: Roberta Palermo on December 21, 2009, 06:45:59 PM
Oh, pleeeeease


Quote from: lovellboys;54457
Ummm - sorry, but we don't really want him :D
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 06:46:34 PM
Quote from: lisacallenwood;54458
In the same spirit the dark side offered David to have Christmas dinner with them, I'd like to offer Mr. Toasted transportation from the airport and lodging for his stay in the U.S. Should he not accept it will be interpreted as him not having Sean's best interest in mind. Should he chose to accept we'll just have ourselves a GRAND old time here in Joisey!!
OMG!  Too funny!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Luiza on December 21, 2009, 06:47:36 PM
Quote from: jjsaunt;54462
For anyone who thinks that "once it is over, it is over", Tostes isn't going along with that.  When the stay is lifted and David & Sean are in New Jersey, it looks like there will still be court cases going Brazil.  But Tostes isn't stopping there.
 
New Jersey granted David full custody in 2004 or 2005 when Bruna failed to show up in the US custody court.  Tostes's statement above implies that he is planning on fighting David in the US courts.  That would be a custody battle and not a Federal Treaty battle (Hague Convention).  I could understand if New Jersey allowed (and then squashed) a custody request by Bruna's family, but could they drag this into a US appeals court?

Poor David.  Will this never end?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: JonathanR on December 21, 2009, 06:48:12 PM
Quote from: gail;54452
I hope they do the right thing.

seriously, did this man actually go the law school? that he's audacious enough to think that there is some legal ground for his motions, when US forces officially designted this a CRIME 5 years ago?
 
so you have some egomaniacal fool who drafts some scary paperwork, yawn! this is almost as ridiculous as saddam's trial!!!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: DB4 on December 21, 2009, 06:48:29 PM
Quote from: jjsaunt;54462
For anyone who thinks that "once it is over, it is over", Tostes isn't going along with that. When the stay is lifted and David & Sean are in New Jersey, it looks like there will still be court cases going Brazil. But Tostes isn't stopping there.
 
New Jersey granted David full custody in 2004 or 2005 when Bruna failed to show up in the US custody court. Tostes's statement above implies that he is planning on fighting David in the US courts. That would be a custody battle and not a Federal Treaty battle (Hague Convention). I could understand if New Jersey allowed (and then squashed) a custody request by Bruna's family, but could they drag this into a US appeals court?

I say bring it on!  Let's get Sean back here now and then we'll deal with Tostes as we need to.  We'll mobilize and push just as hard if and when that time comes.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 06:48:46 PM
Quote from: jjsaunt;54462
For anyone who thinks that "once it is over, it is over", Tostes isn't going along with that.  When the stay is lifted and David & Sean are in New Jersey, it looks like there will still be court cases going Brazil.  But Tostes isn't stopping there.
 
New Jersey granted David full custody in 2004 or 2005 when Bruna failed to show up in the US custody court.  Tostes's statement above implies that he is planning on fighting David in the US courts.  That would be a custody battle and not a Federal Treaty battle (Hague Convention).  I could understand if New Jersey allowed (and then squashed) a custody request by Bruna's family, but could they drag this into a US appeals court?


Seriously?  Considering they abducted Sean not once, but twice and the fact that David has said this weekend in BRAZIL that he would not do to them what they have done to him and Sean...........

This is not another parent.  These are the grandparents.  Once parental alienation is proven in the US/NJ courts - nonna will be lucky if she gets her parking validated.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 06:49:09 PM
Quote from: Luiza;54466
Poor David. Will this never end?
They have no chance of getting custody of Sean in the NJ courts.  He's full of hot air....plus, those people could get arrested if they step on US soil for child abduction, couldn't they?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 06:50:04 PM
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Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 06:50:47 PM
Quote from: JonathanR;54467
seriously, did this man actually go the law school? that he's audacious enough to think that there is some legal ground for his motions, when US forces officially designted this a CRIME 5 years ago?
 
so you have some egomaniacal fool who drafts some scary paperwork, yawn! this is almost as ridiculous as saddam's trial!!!
Now I'm laughing!  That was perfect!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: JonathanR on December 21, 2009, 06:51:31 PM
i'm sure they could! david and chris smith could probably get a court injunction to keep these kidnappers out of the US.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 06:51:52 PM
Quote from: BrazilianForJustice;54471
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These are not coming through, what are they saying?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: doleary on December 21, 2009, 06:54:19 PM
I read in a post that the lawyer for Sean's "stepfather" wants to travel with Sean when David and Sean can come home? I would love to read that comment. Another day to wait. OMG!!! Has David seen Sean at all since he has been there?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 21, 2009, 06:54:37 PM
Those haven't come through for me either.
 
Regarding the dark side 'fighting in the U.S.'. Let them have at it. THEN it will become pure entertainment, especially while they're paying David's legal bills.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 06:55:32 PM
Quote from: lisacallenwood;54476
Those haven't come through for me either.
 
Regarding the dark side 'fighting in the U.S.'. Let them have at it. THEN it will become pure entertainment, especially while they're paying David's legal bills.
From a jail cell....
Title: Re: I JUST READ MONDAY 21!
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 06:56:11 PM
Quote from: Roberta Palermo;54463
Oh, pleeeeease


Nope - sorry  I will, however, make a donation toward his care and feeding ;)

Since you are a therapist, what do you think should be David's plan of action in helping Sean overcome the alienation?  I believe it was posted some months ago that there is a facility in DC (I think) that deals specifically with child who have been alienated from a parent.

I believe David will do what is best, but considering we will not all be privy to that, I just wanted to get an idea of what they were in for.  Thanks!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: doleary on December 21, 2009, 06:58:26 PM
RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!! Congressman Smith is someone to be admired.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: DB4 on December 21, 2009, 06:59:37 PM
Quote from: gail;54477
From a jail cell....

We should have grabbed them when they came here to be on the CBS Morning show!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Luiza on December 21, 2009, 07:02:15 PM
Quote from: gail;54470
They have no chance of getting custody of Sean in the NJ courts.  He's full of hot air....plus, those people could get arrested if they step on US soil for child abduction, couldn't they?

No they wouldn't stand a chance here.  Just make David's life miserable....dragging him into court over and over again.  I would like to think they could be arrested, but didn't they already come here and do a tv show?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: DB4 on December 21, 2009, 07:04:54 PM
FYI - Fox News will be covering Goldman story within this hour -- although I suspect many channels will tonight!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 07:07:09 PM
Quote from: DB4;54485
FYI - Fox News will be covering Goldman story within this hour -- although I suspect many channels will tonight!


I haven't seen the news because my tv is otherwise engage with holiday movies.  What slant is the media putting on this?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: DB4 on December 21, 2009, 07:08:15 PM
Quote from: lovellboys;54486
I haven't seen the news because my tv is otherwise engage with holiday movies. What slant is the media putting on this?

I'll let you know -hasn't come on yet.  In the intro they mentioned that the Chief Justice wants to put an "end to this".
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 07:08:16 PM
Quote from: Luiza;54483
No they wouldn't stand a chance here. Just make David's life miserable....dragging him into court over and over again. I would like to think they could be arrested, but didn't they already come here and do a tv show?
They wouldn't be able to drag it out like this in NJ.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 07:15:12 PM
WOW!  What a FREAK!!  Company's actually hire this nutjob?  Hey Tostes, ever heard of stalking??  I really doubt any law enforement agency is going to let a crazy, whacked out, old freak stalk a nine year old boy across countries!  I would imagine the FBI might want to have a word with him.  I wouldn't want to be Tostes getting off that plane in the USA.  I would imagine there would be a mob waiting for him.  He is not even a family lawyer.
 
My whole-hearted honest opinion is that this is nothing more than a spoiled child not getting there way.  I am serious; think about it.  They are rich, powerful, influential people that have ALWAYS had there way no matter what.  Now all of a sudden, after years of alaways getting their way, they are not.  They do not know how to handle it.  Seriously, look at all the comments Tostes has made in the last few days.  Whether Sean goes home now or not, those are comments from someone who is not getting their way anymore.  The man is contradicting himself everytime he speaks and it is blatent for eveyone to see.  They are basically having a "temper tantrum".  They are screaming, kicking, rolling around on the floor and hitting things.  Remeber to try and look at perspectives.  This is 110% new to them.  They ALWAYS get what they want, when they want, from whomever they want.  And now they are getting schooled by a middle class American!  :D  They do not know how to deal with this.  On top of that, throw in all the negative pressure from all angles (media, social, political & professional).  
 
Just trying to change things up a little.  :)
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 07:16:21 PM
Geez guys, I type my last post and now there are three more pages to read!  :)
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 07:18:52 PM
Quote from: Luiza;54483
No they wouldn't stand a chance here. Just make David's life miserable....dragging him into court over and over again. I would like to think they could be arrested, but didn't they already come here and do a tv show?

They were not stalking a nine year old boy at the time!  :D
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: doleary on December 21, 2009, 07:19:22 PM
I have now read everything and have talked with my stepmother who lives in Lagomar. She seem to think that David and the rest of the people involved have already been informed of the decission and that the boy is being transitioned over to David. All this is under the "keep your mouth shut or else" rule. This is only her idea but one can hope.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: DB4 on December 21, 2009, 07:19:31 PM
Re: Fox Report - not much new.  Just reiterated where we are.   Confirmed that Brazilian family said they would appeal to Appelate Court in Brazil if the Chief Justice rules in favor of David.  Also noted that they said they would fight the case in the US if need be.  Reporter highlighted that's where it should have been handled from the start (5 years ago)!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 07:19:48 PM
Quote from: DB4;54487
I'll let you know -hasn't come on yet. In the intro they mentioned that the Chief Justice wants to put an "end to this".

 
I bet he does!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: chopchop on December 21, 2009, 07:20:16 PM
Quote from: Luiza;54483
No they wouldn't stand a chance here. Just make David's life miserable....dragging him into court over and over again. I would like to think they could be arrested, but didn't they already come here and do a tv show?

Quote from: gail;54488
They wouldn't be able to drag it out like this in NJ.

 
There is no way that a "stepfather" or "Grandparents" are going to get anywhere in a New Jersey Court.  The judge will laugh them out of the courtroom and never hear their plea.  Simply stated both parties have no legal claim to visitation against David when Sean comes back to the US.  They already know this and that is why they are going to do everything in their power to prevent Sean from leaving Brazil and trying to set the stage for a "visitation agreement".  The only way they can have a legal claim of visitation is if David agrees to it in binding litigation.  Once Sean is off of Brazilian soil its - GAME OVER CHUMPS!!!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: pedi on December 21, 2009, 07:21:13 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/12/21/brazilian.child.custody/index.html?iref=allsearch

excerpt of above article......
While the chief justice studies the case, Brazilian Attorney General Luis Inacio Adams said that the executive branch sides with Goldman.
 "Once we stop cooperating and start breaking our treaties and international obligations, Brazil risks the chance of not having its own requests in the matters regarding international judicial help granted, based on the principle of international reciprocity," Adams said Monday.
 "Not releasing the minor into the custody of his father could bring sanctions against Brazil," he added. "It could damage Brazil's image before the international community."
 The Bianchi family, which has invited Goldman to spend Christmas with them, has prepared the necessary paperwork to file an appeal immediately if the court finds against them.


....How can those appeals be stopped?????.....
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: UD_student on December 21, 2009, 07:22:31 PM
Quote from: jjsaunt;54462
New Jersey granted David full custody in 2004 or 2005 when Bruna failed to show up in the NJ custody court.  Tostes's statement above implies that he is planning on fighting David in the US courts. [. . .]  I could understand if New Jersey allowed (and then squashed) a custody request by Bruna's family, but could they drag this into a US appeals court?

I cannot answer how many appeals are permissible in NJ family court. I can state unequivocally that NJ does not have grandparent visitation rights. David stated that he will not do to the maternal grandparents what they did to him, and fortunately, per what limited amounts I know of NJ law, David will be the only authority to make decisions regarding any visitation with only Sean's best interests in mind, which all of us know he will do. Thank goodness he will finally again be able to take care of Sean as any loving father would once in the US!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: mrbeansmom on December 21, 2009, 07:22:40 PM
Almost 6 years ago, 2 full siblings (one was 12 months old, the other two days old) were placed with our family for adoption. After 18 months the judge gave us full custody (adoption) of the oldest, but chose to send the youngest (18 months old by then) back to the birthmom, who in turn gave him away less than a year later. The loss of a sibling impacted our child incredibly and does to this day. My husband and I have never recovered from the loss. Our hearts have been broken irreparably. We also lost $15,000 to an attorney fighting to either have them return to their birthmom together or not at all (but please don't tear them apart).

I hate Brazil for what they've done to this father and son, and I hate them even more because now Sean has a sibling he will lose in the process and suffer like our child does. More than anything, and because of the pain we know so well, and the feeling of utter helplessness, I want to see this man get his son back. It will not take away our pain, or give our child their sibling back, but it will be a victory for us too, just the same. Just once, I want to see the good guy to win.........
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 07:24:59 PM
Quote from: chopchop;54496
 Once Sean is off of Brazilian soil its - GAME OVER CHUMPS!!!


'Game over man! Game over!'
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 07:25:54 PM
I guess that Sean and David are better off waiting another day to fly home...


After 2 days, 130 passengers trying to board for NY

Of the 216 passengers on Flight 0120 on Saturday (19) to New York, the company Delta Airlines, only 86 could be relocated in the TAM flight that second (21), according to ANAC (National Agency of Civil Aviation). The cancellation of the flight that would leave the international airport of Sao Paulo, Guarulhos (Grande São Paulo), caused an uproar in the terminal on Sunday (20).

The flight was canceled because of snow that covers the northern United States.

The press reported that TAM is accommodating passengers indicated by Delta Airlines, according to available seats on its flights, but did not confirm the number of people from that flight 0120 were relocated.

TAM operates two daily flights to JFK airport in New York, from Guarulhos.

Uproar

According to ANAC, on Sunday there was an uproar at the airport because passengers wanted to board the flight that left yesterday Guarulhos. However, Delta Airlines has argued that there was no seats available and did not allow boarding.

The Agency reported that following the case, and that people who were not boarded required assistance as per Brazilian legislation, such as transportation and accommodation.

ANAC also says that awaits a solution to the other 130 passengers who have not yet been boarded. According to the Agency, who give up flying with the company is entitled to be reimbursed in full or be accommodated on flights of other airlines.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 07:27:00 PM
'international reciprocity' those have been Chris Smith's (and our) words for a LONG time
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 07:27:40 PM
Quote from: mrbeansmom;54499
Almost 6 years ago, 2 full siblings (one was 12 months old, the other two days old) were placed with our family for adoption. After 18 months the judge gave us full custody (adoption) of the oldest, but chose to send the youngest (18 months old by then) back to the birthmom, who in turn gave him away less than a year later. The loss of a sibling impacted our child incredibly and does to this day. My husband and I have never recovered from the loss. Our hearts have been broken irreparably. We also lost $15,000 to an attorney fighting to either have them return to their birthmom together or not at all (but please don't tear them apart).
 
I hate Brazil for what they've done to this father and son, and I hate them even more because now Sean has a sibling he will lose in the process and suffer like our child does. More than anything, and because of the pain we know so well, and the feeling of utter helplessness, I want to see this man get his son back. It will not take away our pain, or give our child their sibling back, but it will be a victory for us too, just the same. Just once, I want to see the good guy to win.........

I think you just might, tomorrow!!:)
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: pedi on December 21, 2009, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: BrazilianForJustice;54501
I guess that Sean and David are better off waiting another day to fly home...


After 2 days, 130 passengers trying to board for NY

Of the 216 passengers on Flight 0120 on Saturday (19) to New York, the company Delta Airlines, only 86 could be relocated in the TAM flight that second (21), according to ANAC (National Agency of Civil Aviation). The cancellation of the flight that would leave the international airport of Sao Paulo, Guarulhos (Grande São Paulo), caused an uproar in the terminal on Sunday (20).

The flight was canceled because of snow that covers the northern United States.

The press reported that TAM is accommodating passengers indicated by Delta Airlines, according to available seats on its flights, but did not confirm the number of people from that flight 0120 were relocated.

TAM operates two daily flights to JFK airport in New York, from Guarulhos.

Uproar

According to ANAC, on Sunday there was an uproar at the airport because passengers wanted to board the flight that left yesterday Guarulhos. However, Delta Airlines has argued that there was no seats available and did not allow boarding.

The Agency reported that following the case, and that people who were not boarded required assistance as per Brazilian legislation, such as transportation and accommodation.

ANAC also says that awaits a solution to the other 130 passengers who have not yet been boarded. According to the Agency, who give up flying with the company is entitled to be reimbursed in full or be accommodated on flights of other airlines.


well they could always fly to Canada first and wait for better weather in the US.....right?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 07:29:08 PM
Quote from: BrazilianForJustice;54501
I guess that Sean and David are better off waiting another day to fly home...
 
 
After 2 days, 130 passengers trying to board for NY
 
Of the 216 passengers on Flight 0120 on Saturday (19) to New York, the company Delta Airlines, only 86 could be relocated in the TAM flight that second (21), according to ANAC (National Agency of Civil Aviation). The cancellation of the flight that would leave the international airport of Sao Paulo, Guarulhos (Grande São Paulo), caused an uproar in the terminal on Sunday (20).
 
The flight was canceled because of snow that covers the northern United States.
 
The press reported that TAM is accommodating passengers indicated by Delta Airlines, according to available seats on its flights, but did not confirm the number of people from that flight 0120 were relocated.
 
TAM operates two daily flights to JFK airport in New York, from Guarulhos.
 
Uproar
 
According to ANAC, on Sunday there was an uproar at the airport because passengers wanted to board the flight that left yesterday Guarulhos. However, Delta Airlines has argued that there was no seats available and did not allow boarding.
 
The Agency reported that following the case, and that people who were not boarded required assistance as per Brazilian legislation, such as transportation and accommodation.
 
ANAC also says that awaits a solution to the other 130 passengers who have not yet been boarded. According to the Agency, who give up flying with the company is entitled to be reimbursed in full or be accommodated on flights of other airlines.

 
I live down the street.  Newark is fine, I dont know about JFK, though.  However, you can fly out of Newark to get to Rio.....if my gut is right, then I think things are good
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: m1987 on December 21, 2009, 07:29:58 PM
This is, perhaps, a bit off the subject...but I got choked up as I scrolled through the threads & noted all of the "green lights" denoting members currently logged on next to the posts.  It's almost as though we're all part of a vigil, and apart from all being in the same place at the same time holding candles, I can't imagine feeling more touched by all of this.  In fact, just the thought of people logged on in different parts of the world awaiting news, makes it more beautiful to me than everyone standing in the same place.  If I didn't understand before the importance of loving and believing in people you haven't "met-met", I'm beginning to feel and understand it now.  It is so amazing how powerful love, faith and hope can be...

I know that Sean will be home with his father soon.  In the meantime, I am very grateful to be able to stand on the sidelines and cheer or cry or pray and just sense the power and determination of so many people working together.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 07:30:04 PM
Quote from: Audax;54502
'international reciprocity' those have been Chris Smith's (and our) words for a LONG time
Is interesting that Brazil is obsessed with reciprocity. They mimic everything that is asked of them. When the US started requiring fingerprinting at customs, they started requiring fingerprints on their side too... but from Americans only!

I wish they applied that to the Hague too...


NY Times - RIO DE JANEIRO, Jan. 9, 2004 — With Brazil and the United States holding fast to their insistence on photographing and fingerprinting visitors from the other country, what began as a minor dispute last week is now threatening to sour relations between the two countries, the most populous in the Western Hemisphere.

The dispute grew out of a security program the United States began this week, which applies to all foreigners entering the country who are required to have visas. Comparing the American action to ''the worst horrors committed by the Nazis,'' a judge in a remote interior state ordered that all Americans arriving in Brazil be subjected to the same treatment.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 07:30:25 PM
I cant believe I was gone for two hours at stupid Basil T's in Red Bank, service sucked, and I had to take it "to go" to catch up on here....30 pages later!!!!!!!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: mrbeansmom on December 21, 2009, 07:31:20 PM
Quote from: mikeberry;54504
I think you just might, tomorrow!!:)

I hope so. I have been walking around with my heart in my throat all day today, and I burst into tears any time I talk about it............:bawling:
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: chopchop on December 21, 2009, 07:31:21 PM
Quote from: pedi;54497
The Bianchi family, which has invited Goldman to spend Christmas with them, has prepared the necessary paperwork to file an appeal immediately if the court finds against them.
 
 
....How can those appeals be stopped?????.....

They only have so many "legitimate" (using this term loosely here) appeal venues left. Notice that they have not appealed to the Supreme Court. They know that if they do and the court votes not to hear the motion then its - "GAME OVER". They will continue to file to the lower court knowing full well that the appeal will eventually fail. Their goal is to delay due process indefinitely, get Sean to testify under Article 13 of the Hague Convention and claim he wants to stay in Brazil, everyone knows this. So it's not the appeals that are the problem per se, it's the time it takes to have the appeal heard in court.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: BEJ_Mom on December 21, 2009, 07:31:52 PM
Why not just fly anywhere in the US?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 07:32:43 PM
My guess is-
Family's already know.
Sean is coming home.
Serious gag order.
Silva's get one last night to bid farewell, pack, and mourn.
Announcement will be made mid-morning, when they are both in flight.
 
If not, I may seriously consider putting my career on hold, or to use, to benefit the Goldman family in whatever way I can.
 
This arguement expired a long time ago, enough
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 07:33:27 PM
:)
Quote from: BrazilianForJustice;54501
I guess that Sean and David are better off waiting another day to fly home...
 
 
After 2 days, 130 passengers trying to board for NY
 
Of the 216 passengers on Flight 0120 on Saturday (19) to New York, the company Delta Airlines, only 86 could be relocated in the TAM flight that second (21), according to ANAC (National Agency of Civil Aviation). The cancellation of the flight that would leave the international airport of Sao Paulo, Guarulhos (Grande São Paulo), caused an uproar in the terminal on Sunday (20).
 
The flight was canceled because of snow that covers the northern United States.
 
The press reported that TAM is accommodating passengers indicated by Delta Airlines, according to available seats on its flights, but did not confirm the number of people from that flight 0120 were relocated.
 
TAM operates two daily flights to JFK airport in New York, from Guarulhos.
 
Uproar
 
According to ANAC, on Sunday there was an uproar at the airport because passengers wanted to board the flight that left yesterday Guarulhos. However, Delta Airlines has argued that there was no seats available and did not allow boarding.
 
The Agency reported that following the case, and that people who were not boarded required assistance as per Brazilian legislation, such as transportation and accommodation.
 
ANAC also says that awaits a solution to the other 130 passengers who have not yet been boarded. According to the Agency, who give up flying with the company is entitled to be reimbursed in full or be accommodated on flights of other airlines.

Way to find the silver lining BFJ!  :)
 
Someone please help me, I cannot stop posting!!!   AAAAAGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!   :eek:
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 07:33:52 PM
Quote from: chopchop;54512
They only have so many "legitimate" (using this term loosely here) appeal venues left. Notice that they have not appealed to the Supreme Court. They know that if they do and the court votes not to hear the motion then its - "GAME OVER". They will continue to file to the lower court knowing full well that the appeal will eventually fail. Their goal is to delay due process indefinitely, get Sean to testify under Article 13 of ffice:smarttags" />the Hague Convention and claim he wants to stay in Brazil, everyone knows this. So it's not the appeals that are the problem per se, it's the time it takes to have the appeal heard in court.

 
Their appeals mean NOTHING!!!!!!  Mendes calls the final shot tomorrow.   Once he is back in our hometown, its over
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: kim in socal on December 21, 2009, 07:35:00 PM
This is also a bit off topic but last Thursday when I got home for work, I was so upset about the HC, that my Mom and Husband just looked at me and said, we know, we are sorry, and I told them I didn't want to talk about it. Later while lighting our Hanukkah candles, I said I didn't feel like it so my Mom went to light the next candle and says "this is for that poor boy stuck in Brazil". Ok, then I really lost it and had to go cry in the bathroom...
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: mrbeansmom on December 21, 2009, 07:35:08 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;54514
My guess is-
Family's already know.
Sean is coming home.
Serious gag order.
Silva's get one last night to bid farewell, pack, and mourn.
Ammouncement will be made mid-morning, when they are both in flight.
 
If not, I may seriously consider putting my career on hold, or to use, to benefit the Goldman family in whatever way I can.  
 
This arguement expired a long time ago, enough

You could be right. Has David, or anyone involved for that matter, spoken publicly since this afternoon?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: chutt123 on December 21, 2009, 07:35:11 PM
New Rosen tweets:

We just did a new interview with David Goldman. He was emotional about Sean. It was touching. He said he feels "helpless" Tmrw on Today.

We're now hearing a decision will come at 7am ET Tuesday morning
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 07:35:36 PM
Quote from: m1987;54508
This is, perhaps, a bit off the subject...but I got choked up as I scrolled through the threads & noted all of the "green lights" denoting members currently logged on next to the posts. It's almost as though we're all part of a vigil, and apart from all being in the same place at the same time holding candles, I can't imagine feeling more touched by all of this. In fact, just the thought of people logged on in different parts of the world awaiting news, makes it more beautiful to me than everyone standing in the same place. If I didn't understand before the importance of loving and believing in people you haven't "met-met", I'm beginning to feel and understand it now. It is so amazing how powerful love, faith and hope can be...
 
I know that Sean will be home with his father soon. In the meantime, I am very grateful to be able to stand on the sidelines and cheer or cry or pray and just sense the power and determination of so many people working together.

Holy cow, I never noticed the green light!  Thanks!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 07:35:57 PM
Quote from: pedi;54506
well they could always fly to Canada first and wait for better weather in the US.....right?

Of course! You don't have any snow there, do you??
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 07:36:58 PM
Quote from: jjsaunt;54462
For anyone who thinks that "once it is over, it is over", Tostes isn't going along with that.  When the stay is lifted and David & Sean are in New Jersey, it looks like there will still be court cases going Brazil.  But Tostes isn't stopping there.
 
New Jersey granted David full custody in 2004 or 2005 when Bruna failed to show up in the US custody court.  Tostes's statement above implies that he is planning on fighting David in the US courts.  That would be a custody battle and not a Federal Treaty battle (Hague Convention).  I could understand if New Jersey allowed (and then squashed) a custody request by Bruna's family, but could they drag this into a US appeals court?

No. Who would have standing? Grandma? US courts are not going to recognize any of these idiots as a legal stakeholder. Immediately tossed out.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 07:37:36 PM
Quote from: m1987;54508
This is, perhaps, a bit off the subject...but I got choked up as I scrolled through the threads & noted all of the "green lights" denoting members currently logged on next to the posts. It's almost as though we're all part of a vigil, and apart from all being in the same place at the same time holding candles, I can't imagine feeling more touched by all of this. In fact, just the thought of people logged on in different parts of the world awaiting news, makes it more beautiful to me than everyone standing in the same place. If I didn't understand before the importance of loving and believing in people you haven't "met-met", I'm beginning to feel and understand it now. It is so amazing how powerful love, faith and hope can be...
 
I know that Sean will be home with his father soon. In the meantime, I am very grateful to be able to stand on the sidelines and cheer or cry or pray and just sense the power and determination of so many people working together.

 
That was very nice; i'm with ya!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: pedi on December 21, 2009, 07:37:44 PM
Quote from: chopchop;54512
They only have so many "legitimate" (using this term loosely here) appeal venues left. Notice that they have not appealed to the Supreme Court. They know that if they do and the court votes not to hear the motion then its - "GAME OVER". They will continue to file to the lower court knowing full well that the appeal will eventually fail. Their goal is to delay due process indefinitely, get Sean to testify under Article 13 of the Hague Convention and claim he wants to stay in Brazil, everyone knows this. So it's not the appeals that are the problem per se, it's the time it takes to have the appeal heard in court.



But then what is it exactly (what decision, by whom?) that David need right now, now, now to get Sean out of this country this week (in the best of cases)?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: shaine on December 21, 2009, 07:37:47 PM
Anyone catch this in the CNN article?
 
On Sunday, Brazilian Chief Justice Gilmar Mendes said he would make the final decision on Monday.
 
Might be reading more into that, but I do love how it's worded.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Chicco on December 21, 2009, 07:38:23 PM
Uhffaahh! 110 pages in this thread.
 
I spent the day checking BSH site and the news, just like you all. I even carried BSH page loaded in my blackberry to follow the forum. If anxiety is high in US, to be a Brazilian in Brazil, with the history we carry in our courts, does not make it much easier...
 
I read the whole thread looking for comments from our legal friends but I did not find them yet. They are probably trying to evaluate the situation as we all are and I would really appreciate to get their insights.
 
I have to say I am more worried now than I was yesterday. I am always positive but I do not like the fact STF "seems' to be handling this case with different standards. When the family appealed to STF decision either came within hours or in 24 hours from distribution. Now we had AGU and David filing writ of mandamus on Friday, distribution to Cesar Peloto still on Friday, but the Minister Cesar Peloto chose to avoid taking the decision and passed the task to Gilmar Mendes, who now fails to take a decision today.
 
I know it is not an easy decision to take considering all and the Christmas timing, but this is still Brazil and time at this moment only helps Tostes and the family to prepare their appeals and counter attack, which would put us in asituation similar to last June and that consumed another 6 months...
 
My prayers are for Gilmar Mendes to do the right thing and when doing it, not only accept the writ of mandamus, as decides to demand immediate delivery of Sean so he can return ASAP with David to US, because if he only grants a favourable decision but without taking a firm position, I think 48 hrs is enough to have the family appealing to STJ, and for STJ president to have a tricky decision to take.
 
I wanted a decision today or this weekend (I have seen decisions on Sunday night when they want to), while the family was showing clear signs they felt the punch. It would still not be safe but it would have made much more sense.
 
I just hope US is still making pressure over all government diplomatic channels... I can hard imagine how stressing was this day for David...
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Leilanij on December 21, 2009, 07:38:35 PM
Jeff Rossen just posted: "We're now hearing a decision will come at 7am ET Tuesday morning. 1 minute ago  (http://twitter.com/jeffrossen/status/6911041852)from web"
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 07:39:20 PM
Quote from: Leilanij;54527
Jeff Rossen just posted: "We're now hearing a decision will come at 7am ET Tuesday morning. 1 minute ago  (http://twitter.com/jeffrossen/status/6911041852)from web"

Really?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 07:40:13 PM
Quote from: BrazilianForJustice;54509
Is interesting that Brazil is obsessed with reciprocity. They mimic everything that is asked of them. When the US started requiring fingerprinting at customs, they started requiring fingerprints on their side too... but from Americans only!
 
I wish they applied that to the Hague too...
 
 
NY Times - RIO DE JANEIRO, Jan. 9, 2004 — With Brazil and the United States holding fast to their insistence on photographing and fingerprinting visitors from the other country, what began as a minor dispute last week is now threatening to sour relations between the two countries, the most populous in the Western Hemisphere.
 
 
 
The dispute grew out of a security program the United States began this week, which applies to all foreigners entering the country who are required to have visas. Comparing the American action to ''the worst horrors committed by the Nazis,'' a judge in a remote interior state ordered that all Americans arriving in Brazil be subjected to the same treatment.

Wow these Brazillian Judges sure like to be drama "queens"!  :eek:
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: jbtennessee on December 21, 2009, 07:46:29 PM
I saw Congressman Smith interviewed on Fox News about 15 minutes ago.  I couldn't hear part of what he said, but I thought he was saying that he will be on a flight home tonight.  Any chance anyone else heard the interview and can confirm or correct?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: chopchop on December 21, 2009, 07:46:59 PM
Quote from: Leilanij;54527
Jeff Rossen just posted: "We're now hearing a decision will come at 7am ET Tuesday morning. 1 minute ago  (http://twitter.com/jeffrossen/status/6911041852)from web"

 
Nice!!!  At least the waiting will be over, downside I'll have to be up at 4am to get the news...oh well, staying on the rollercoaster ride...:nixweiss:
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Chuckles on December 21, 2009, 07:49:30 PM
Quote from: chopchop;54531
Nice!!!  At least the waiting will be over, downside I'll have to be up at 4am to get the news...oh well, staying on the rollercoaster ride...:nixweiss:
Oh heck, just stay up with the rest of us and we'll have a big ole PJ party!
:D
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: ENR on December 21, 2009, 07:50:27 PM
Quote from: Leilanij;54527
Jeff Rossen just posted: "We're now hearing a decision will come at 7am ET Tuesday morning. 1 minute ago  (http://twitter.com/jeffrossen/status/6911041852)from web"


I don't understand.  It all sounds so calculated to me.  Now all of a sudden we get an actual time it will be decided. What the difference between this evening and tomorrow morning.   Considering nothing is when they say it will be I will believe it when we hear it.  This is so unfair.  This family gets immediate action always and poor David has to always wait.  If they let this continue on there will be so many enraged and angry people.  Tomorrow better be game over that is all I have to say.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: margie on December 21, 2009, 07:50:35 PM
Quote from: chutt123;54421
I don't remember what tweet actually said but on the main page of this site it said:

5:30 PM EST: The Brazilian Supreme Court announced that the decision by Chief Justice Gilmar Mendes on on quashing the injunction by Justice Marco Aurélio de Mello will NOT be made public until Tuesday 12/22.

PUBLIC? Does that mean it might be done privately? And get them out of the country?
**************************************************
I haven't been able to get on this forum all day and now trying to catch up. I read somewhere here that someone thought the police were looking into Sean's where abouts. It would be good if they made the transition private I think and tell the public later after Sean is transferred over.

Also - just saw MSNBC video. (Meredith V.) It was said that if the decision was made today (at that time they thought it would) that the handover could be immediate. Could someone clarify all this? Is this true?

Margie
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 07:50:53 PM
Quote from: jbtennessee;54530
I saw Congressman Smith interviewed on Fox News about 15 minutes ago. I couldn't hear part of what he said, but I thought he was saying that he will be on a flight home tonight. Any chance anyone else heard the interview and can confirm or correct?
This is what worries me...I wish Congressman Smith could stay until David and Sean are on a plane.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 07:52:01 PM
Maybe 7am is a good sign.  When do the courts open?  They are not even open, correct.  That means a decision may have already been made and they are trying to avoid a media frenzy.  Just being positive.
 
If they are announcing at 7am, why not 7pm today.  Just something to think about.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: margie on December 21, 2009, 07:52:16 PM
Quote from: ENR;54534
I don't understand.  It all sounds so calculated to me.  Now all of a sudden we get an actual time it will be decided. What the difference between this evening and tomorrow morning.   Considering nothing is when they say it will be I will believe it when we hear it.  This is so unfair.  This family gets immediate action always and poor David has to always wait.  If they let this continue on there will be so many enraged and angry people.  Tomorrow better be game over that is all I have to say.

Where was it said? Do you have a link?

Margie
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 07:52:19 PM
Quote from: Chuckles;54533
Oh heck, just stay up with the rest of us and we'll have a big ole PJ party!
:D


So what, if I have to work tomorrow! Sleep is overrated...
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 07:52:49 PM
Quote from: Chuckles;54533
Oh heck, just stay up with the rest of us and we'll have a big ole PJ party!
:D

:eek:
 
 
I get the top bunk!!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Jackie in Upstate NY on December 21, 2009, 07:53:40 PM
Quote from: mikeberry;54529
Wow these Brazillian Judges sure like to be drama "queens"! :eek:
In regards to the fingerprinting :
Will any Americans want to go to Brazil after all this ???????? Who cares ????? Do they think anybody will feel secure in their country ???? Olympics ... hmmmm - boy - they aren't thinking too clearly are they ! Duh...
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Chicco on December 21, 2009, 07:54:32 PM
Quote from: Leilanij;54527
Jeff Rossen just posted: "We're now hearing a decision will come at 7am ET Tuesday morning. 1 minute ago  (http://twitter.com/jeffrossen/status/6911041852)from web"

interesting...
 
I have a little devil and a little angel fighting inside my head and I just can get rid of them.... While the little red devil says "hahaha, decision postponed so Tostes has time to appeal", the little blue angel shouts back "no it was not, it was postponed to substantiante it correctly and allow the right measures to be in place to enforce Sean immediate return to David..." and they go on like a tennis match... :cloud:
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: AveryHadleigh on December 21, 2009, 07:54:52 PM
I'm sure many people are just as curious as I am to know if the family is being watched down there so that they don't try to make a run for it with Sean. Do we know if they are under surveillance? They are so untrustworthy (okay, I just laughed because that is the biggest understatement ever written!) that I can see them trying to re-kidnap him. The Brazilian government would be ridiculous to not have them watched... right?
 
Jenny
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: jlpoag on December 21, 2009, 07:55:55 PM
Quote from: m1987;54508
This is, perhaps, a bit off the subject...but I got choked up as I scrolled through the threads & noted all of the "green lights" denoting members currently logged on next to the posts. It's almost as though we're all part of a vigil, and apart from all being in the same place at the same time holding candles, I can't imagine feeling more touched by all of this. In fact, just the thought of people logged on in different parts of the world awaiting news, makes it more beautiful to me than everyone standing in the same place. If I didn't understand before the importance of loving and believing in people you haven't "met-met", I'm beginning to feel and understand it now. It is so amazing how powerful love, faith and hope can be...
 
I know that Sean will be home with his father soon. In the meantime, I am very grateful to be able to stand on the sidelines and cheer or cry or pray and just sense the power and determination of so many people working together.

 
I feel exactly the same way.  When Sean is home safe and sound with David, can we set a time so that everyone can get a glass of their favorite beverage and we can have a "welcome home Sean" party whereever we are!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 07:57:50 PM
Quote from: Chicco;54542
interesting...
 
I have a little devil and a little angel fighting inside my head and I just can get rid of them.... While the little red devil says "hahaha, decision postponed so Tostes has time to appeal", the little blue angel shouts back "no it was not, it was postponed to substantiante it correctly and allow the right measures to be in place to enforce Sean immediate return to David..." and they go on like a tennis match... :cloud:

Chicco I'm going with the Blue Angel. All. The. Way.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 07:58:15 PM
Quote from: jlpoag;54544
I feel exactly the same way. When Sean is home safe and sound with David, can we set a time so that everyone can get a glass of their favorite beverage and we can have a "welcome home Sean" party whereever we are!

That's a very good idea!
Title: Re: I JUST READ MONDAY 21!
Post by: Roberta Palermo on December 21, 2009, 07:58:24 PM
I don't know how american specialists work when you have a child abuse or an alienation, but I am sure David already talked about that with who is going to help him. The first thing to pay attention is the communication. Sean has to (re)learn English as fast as possible, and a lot of good people around him has to validate his dad, because here, nobody is doing this. So these are the best things to do right now!

I saw that Sean's ex-stepfather was here. Does he or who works for him always come here?

Roberta Palermo


Quote from: lovellboys;54478
Nope - sorry  I will, however, make a donation toward his care and feeding ;)

Since you are a therapist, what do you think should be David's plan of action in helping Sean overcome the alienation?  I believe it was posted some months ago that there is a facility in DC (I think) that deals specifically with child who have been alienated from a parent.

I believe David will do what is best, but considering we will not all be privy to that, I just wanted to get an idea of what they were in for.  Thanks!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 07:58:52 PM
Quote from: AveryHadleigh;54543
I'm sure many people are just as curious as I am to know if the family is being watched down there so that they don't try to make a run for it with Sean. Do we know if they are under surveillance? They are so untrustworthy (okay, I just laughed because that is the biggest understatement ever written!) that I can see them trying to re-kidnap him. The Brazilian government would be ridiculous to not have them watched... right?
 
Jenny


Right. Safe assumption. They even met David at the airport with police escort to  his hotel.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: chopchop on December 21, 2009, 07:59:30 PM
Quote from: pedi;54524
But then what is it exactly (what decision, by whom?) that David need right now, now, now to get Sean out of this country this week (in the best of cases)?

 
My understanding is that if Mendes denies the family's Habeas motion and upholds the Writ of Mandamus one filed by the AGU and the one filed by David's Brazilian attorney, then the family can (and I believe already has) file an injuction request to the next lowest court (don't know the name). If that court denies the motion then they can file the motion the the Supreme Court. At that point the high court would decide the hear or not hear the motion. If they deny the motion then GAME OVER, if they hear the motion then its not game over until the claim is heard and decided upon, then it's GAME OVER.
 
Mendes can deny the stay and enforce the lower courts decisions immediately, then David can get on a plane with Sean and it's Adiós!!! While Tostes et al try to file an appeal to prevent Sean from leaving Brazil. Somehow, I've heard that President Lula could also step in and end this judicial farce but I don't know what the procedure for that process would be.
 
So as you can see there are few different ways this appeals nonsense can go, hopefully Judge Mendes has found some way to end all this bullshit.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 07:59:46 PM
Quote from: Chuckles;54533
Oh heck, just stay up with the rest of us and we'll have a big ole PJ party!
:D

 
Chuck, you local?  I want a pizza pary at Val's!!!!!!!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Chicco on December 21, 2009, 08:00:04 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;54545
Chicco I'm going with the Blue Angel. All. The. Way.

I just wish my mind was a nintendo video game so I could throw a bomb or something into the little red devil... and make him stop... lol
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 08:00:22 PM
Quote from: jlpoag;54544
I feel exactly the same way.  When Sean is home safe and sound with David, can we set a time so that everyone can get a glass of their favorite beverage and we can have a "welcome home Sean" party whereever we are!


Great idea, but can we make it "welcome home and get 3240 passed"?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 08:00:47 PM
Quote from: gail;54536
This is what worries me...I wish Congressman Smith could stay until David and Sean are on a plane.

Maybe he DID fly home tonight ..........w/ Dave and Sean?????
 
Maybe people in Brazil know the passion of this case and want to get Dave and Sean out of there before the ruling is made public.......
 
I know it's a pipe dream but I can dream can't I?......
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 08:01:38 PM
Quote from: jl2saint;54553
Maybe he DID fly home tonight ..........w/ Dave and Sean?????
 
Maybe people in Brazil know the passion of this case and want to get Dave and Sean out of there before the ruling is made public.......
 
I know it's a pipe dream but I can dream can't I?......
I would be all for that!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 08:01:43 PM
Quote from: ENR;54534
I don't understand. It all sounds so calculated to me. Now all of a sudden we get an actual time it will be decided. What the difference between this evening and tomorrow morning. Considering nothing is when they say it will be I will believe it when we hear it. This is so unfair. This family gets immediate action always and poor David has to always wait. If they let this continue on there will be so many enraged and angry people. Tomorrow better be game over that is all I have to say.

 
Because he is coming HOME and getting one last night in Brazil because David is a decent man.......
 
Decision was made before the file even opened.  
 
Please, please, come home guys.......   your town, county, state, and country loves you
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: jlpoag on December 21, 2009, 08:02:43 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;54552
Great idea, but can we make it "welcome home and get 3240 passed"?

Absolutely!  And we'll also toast the next round of actions we need to take to get the rest of these kids home where they belong.
Title: Re: I JUST READ MONDAY 21!
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 08:04:14 PM
What do you mean he was here??  On the forums?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 08:04:28 PM
Quote from: mikeberry;54546
That's a very good idea!

Quote from: Jackie in Upstate NY;54541
In regards to the fingerprinting :
Will any Americans want to go to Brazil after all this ???????? Who cares ????? Do they think anybody will feel secure in their country ???? Olympics ... hmmmm - boy - they aren't thinking too clearly are they ! Duh...

 
If Brazil does what is right, it will make me WANT to go there as a thank you for being decent
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: jlpoag on December 21, 2009, 08:04:35 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;54555
Because he is coming HOME and getting one last night in Brazil because David is a decent man.......
 
Decision was made before the file even opened.
 
Please, please, come home guys....... your town, county, state, and country loves you

From your mouth (or your computer keyboard...) to God's ears.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Roberta Palermo on December 21, 2009, 08:04:43 PM
I wont be surprise if nobody is taking care of this. But do you know what?? If they do this where are they going to? For how long? And don't they think they have the reason? Why are they going to do something so stupid?

USA gov, please do something!!!!! It's ok if you hate us a little bit!! Let's finish this clown stuff

Roberta Palermo
TIRED Family Therapist
http://www.robertapalermo.com.br




Quote from: Caldwell;54548
Right. Safe assumption. They even met David at the airport with police escort to  his hotel.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 08:05:33 PM
Quote from: jl2saint;54553
Maybe he DID fly home tonight ..........w/ Dave and Sean?????
 
Maybe people in Brazil know the passion of this case and want to get Dave and Sean out of there before the ruling is made public.......
 
I know it's a pipe dream but I can dream can't I?......


I've had the same dream.

One thing I know for sure. Chris Smith will not dump David in Brazil. Should he actually fly home alone, it will only be to rally the troops at home and pick up some more ammo. I also believe, that he will ensure that David is in good hands while he is gone (if he goes...)
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: jlpoag on December 21, 2009, 08:05:37 PM
Quote from: jl2saint;54553
Maybe he DID fly home tonight ..........w/ Dave and Sean?????
 
Maybe people in Brazil know the passion of this case and want to get Dave and Sean out of there before the ruling is made public.......
 
I know it's a pipe dream but I can dream can't I?......

Any planes from brazil land in NJ at 7am?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: jjsaunt on December 21, 2009, 08:05:56 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;54522
No. Who would have standing? Grandma? US courts are not going to recognize any of these idiots as a legal stakeholder. Immediately tossed out.

 
Remember Tostes is claiming that David is an unfit parent.  Grandma probably can't try for custody, but JPLS may continue to have custody under Brazil law and Tostes could argue that Sean be returned to him.  Remember, the Hague convention returning Sean is not a custody case, but international child abduction case.  They aren't taking custody from JPLS, they are returning a US child to the US in order to determine custody there.
 
I don't see how they could win in the US, Tostes is just bleeding the Brazilian family dry.  Even if some unknown universe they could prove David was an unfit parent, Bruna is considered a kidnapper, Bruna's parents were accomplices and JLPS her successor abductor.  David's family would be the next choice.  Tostes is just mouthing words.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Chicco on December 21, 2009, 08:05:57 PM
Quote from: Chuckles;54533
Oh heck, just stay up with the rest of us and we'll have a big ole PJ party!
:D

 
Is PJ for a Pijama party or PS is the name of a local bar/ restauran ???
 
Whatever it is I hope Sean is back and is received in town with the Black Eye Peas out loud singing...
 
... Mdy, Tues, Wed and Thursday, Fdy, Saturday, Saturday and Sunday... party every day .... party every day... I´ve got a feeling...:hihi:
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 08:07:00 PM
IF Chris Smith IS flying home tonight, don't you think it is either with Sean and David or with the 110% knowledge that Sean and David will be flying home tomorrow?  He has been there almost a week.  Do you really think he would leave 12 hours or less before a decision was made?  That would seem odd to me.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 08:07:33 PM
Quote from: jl2saint;54553
Maybe he DID fly home tonight ..........w/ Dave and Sean?????
 
Maybe people in Brazil know the passion of this case and want to get Dave and Sean out of there before the ruling is made public.......
 
I know it's a pipe dream but I can dream can't I?......


Wouldn't that be SO COOL.

BZZZZZZZ!!!!! Time to WAKE UP, JL!
Title: Re: I JUST READ MONDAY 21!
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 08:07:38 PM
Quote from: gail;54557
What do you mean he was here?? On the forums?

Probably meant in the US Gail..............
 
Maybe he is getting room reservations for a transistion period.............
 
I can dream can't I?.............
 
Please notify me if anyone spots him............;)
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Chicco on December 21, 2009, 08:08:20 PM
Quote from: jlpoag;54562
Any planes from brazil land in NJ at 7am?

 
I believe there are two morning flights only if I am not mistaken, being TAM and maybe America Airlines... (but being high holiday season there might be more)...
 
Said so as one just said here another day, I would grab the 1st flight out of here, be it Paraguay, Chile, Argentina or whatever.....
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 08:09:48 PM
If he isnt sent home tomorrow, I am pulling out all my punches.....  they may be weak and they may be few.......
 
..........but I will exhaust them to no end.
 
Discovery Channel has integreity.  So do I.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: chopchop on December 21, 2009, 08:10:05 PM
Quote from: jjsaunt;54563

I don't see how they could win in the US, Tostes is just bleeding the Brazilian family dry. Even if some unknown universe they could prove David was an unfit parent, Bruna is considered a kidnapper, Bruna's parents were accomplices and JLPS her successor abductor. David's family would be the next choice. Tostes is just mouthing words.

The Brazilian family has no legal standing in the US. END OF STORY. That is why this whole fiasco is playing out in Brazil, the Brazilian family knows that once they have to deal with David in New Jersey it's - GAME OVER!!!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 08:10:17 PM
Quote from: jlpoag;54562
Any planes from brazil land in NJ at 7am?

Who says it cant be a private charter?  .02
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: mikeberry;54566
IF Chris Smith IS flying home tonight, don't you think it is either with Sean and David or with the 110% knowledge that Sean and David will be flying home tomorrow? He has been there almost a week. Do you really think he would leave 12 hours or less before a decision was made? That would seem odd to me.

 
 
Nope, theyre coming home.  You hit it.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 08:10:37 PM
Quote from: Roberta Palermo;54560
I wont be surprise if nobody is taking care of this. But do you know what?? If they do this where are they going to? For how long? And don't they think they have the reason? Why are they going to do something so stupid?

USA gov, please do something!!!!! It's ok if you hate us a little bit!! Let's finish this clown stuff

Roberta Palermo
TIRED Family Therapist
http://www.robertapalermo.com.br


I don't hate you. I hate Brazil's judiciary that allows criminals to appeal til kingdom come. Every nation has it's black sheep. So I hate the Brazilian family et al.
But I LOVE Brazilian's like you!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: jl2saint on December 21, 2009, 08:10:49 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;54567
Wouldn't that be SO COOL.
 
BZZZZZZZ!!!!! Time to WAKE UP, JL!

Dude..............Do NOT ruin my night Caldwell......lol
 
At this point, NOTHING would surprise me.............would it surprise you?
 
We obviously have some VERY intelligent people working to help Dave. They have some very crooked people working for them.........
 
Nothing would surprise me........
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Chicco on December 21, 2009, 08:10:50 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;54570
If he isnt sent home tomorrow, I am pulling out all my punches..... they may be weak and they may be few.......
 
..........but I will exhaust them to no end.
 
Discovery Channel has integreity. So do I.

68 posts in 21 days... uhauu... congrats for the participation...
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Lily on December 21, 2009, 08:11:56 PM
7am Brazil time?  I'm in NJ so what time is that here, 3am?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Roberta Palermo on December 21, 2009, 08:11:57 PM
Only if its to protect father and son from the maternal family...TV programs and other shows, newspapers, magazines don't look like who is interesting in this case. They write fill letters about it. I sent a lot of e-mails asking then to ask me to talk about it. I am still waitingzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzz. They publish my texts, but it's not enough.

Roberta Palermo
TIRED Family Therapist
http://www.robertapalermo.com.br



Quote from: jl2saint;54553
Maybe he DID fly home tonight ..........w/ Dave and Sean?????
 
Maybe people in Brazil know the passion of this case and want to get Dave and Sean out of there before the ruling is made public.......
 
I know it's a pipe dream but I can dream can't I?......
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: jjsaunt on December 21, 2009, 08:12:17 PM
Quote from: Chuckles;54533
Oh heck, just stay up with the rest of us and we'll have a big ole PJ party!
:D

Okay, Is 7:00am Brazil 1:00am or midnight on the US west coast? I can do that.
 
 
Wow, I have been here since the beginning of the forum - my join date was 2/21/2009 and I just hit 200 posts. For me, that is a lot. I have been with an entertainment forum for 7 years and only hit 100 last year.  I guess this group is important to me.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 08:13:09 PM
So it would be 1 am my time, too bad I don't stay up late :)
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 08:13:36 PM
Quote from: jl2saint;54575
Dude..............Do NOT ruin my night Caldwell......lol
 
At this point, NOTHING would surprise me.............would it surprise you?
 
We obviously have some VERY intelligent people working to help Dave. They have some very crooked people working for them.........
 
Nothing would surprise me........


No, nothing. You couldn't write this stuff.

But that said, unless they were spirited out by CIA on a private jet.....We're waiting another night.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: chutt123 on December 21, 2009, 08:13:47 PM
Jeff Rosen said 7am EST. So whats that? 10am in Brazil?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: chopchop on December 21, 2009, 08:13:54 PM
Quote from: jjsaunt;54579
Okay, Is 7:00am Brazil 1:00am or midnight on the US west coast? I can do that.

 
I think somewhere it read 7am EST, so that's going to be 4am in the west.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: jlpoag on December 21, 2009, 08:14:15 PM
Quote from: mikeberry;54572
Who says it cant be a private charter? .02

Exactly.  That would be the only way to do this.  One of the networks would probably foot the bill for that in a second.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Lily on December 21, 2009, 08:15:03 PM
I was off for a little while (children to feed and bathe and get to bed!) and came back to a 7am decision time, where and when was this announced?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Roberta Palermo on December 21, 2009, 08:16:01 PM
Lets toast tostes...

I had to write this...
Roberta Palermo
She will be a fired Family Therapist
http://www.robertapalermo.com.br
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 08:16:22 PM
Quote from: jlpoag;54584
Exactly.  That would be the only way to do this.  One of the networks would probably foot the bill for that in a second.

And how do they keep Tostes and Nonna off the news? No way.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Guenevere on December 21, 2009, 08:16:36 PM
WHO IS LOCAL?
 
LET'S CELEBRATE WHEN THE PLANE LANDS....because it will, in fact, eventually land......
 
Val's?
Barncles?
Nauvoo?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 08:17:15 PM
Quote from: gail;54580
So it would be 1 am my time, too bad I don't stay up late :)

You and me both!  I will be lucky to make it til 10pm.  :)
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 08:18:33 PM
Quote from: jlpoag;54584
Exactly.  That would be the only way to do this.  One of the networks would probably foot the bill for that in a second.

I don't think that after 5 years of fighting, David would want take Sean home in an executive jet. Sean wasn't taken in a private jet. He has last been thru a Newark airport gate as a 4 year old, it sounds like a nice gateway for his coming home. IMHO.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 08:19:42 PM
Quote from: mikeberry;54589
You and me both! I will be lucky to make it til 10pm. :)
You and me both :)
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 08:20:03 PM
Quote from: gail;54580
So it would be 1 am my time, too bad I don't stay up late :)


I thought it said 7 am EST. That's 4 am for you west coasters and 10 am Brazil.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: margie on December 21, 2009, 08:20:33 PM
Quote from: mikeberry;54566
IF Chris Smith IS flying home tonight, don't you think it is either with Sean and David or with the 110% knowledge that Sean and David will be flying home tomorrow?  He has been there almost a week.  Do you really think he would leave 12 hours or less before a decision was made?  That would seem odd to me.

No, I do not. I totally agree Mikeberry! That's what I was thinking. Is it really true though that Chris Smith is flying home tonight? Was that heard right? If so, it would not make sense to leave early without Sean and David. I doubt that he is leaving early alone with the knowledge that it will be in David's favor. Too much has gone wrong in this mess.

It's going to be another long night without sleep.

Margie
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 08:21:17 PM
You probably did, I don't have my glasses on and am having a hard time :)  Either way I won't be up!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: shaine on December 21, 2009, 08:21:52 PM
Anyone have a link to the story where Chris was rumored to state he was flying home tonight?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 08:22:11 PM
Quote from: margie;54593
No, I do not. I totally agree Mikeberry! That's what I was thinking. Is it really true though that Chris Smith is flying home tonight? Was that heard right? If so, it would not make sense to leave early without Sean and David. I doubt that he is leaving early alone with the knowledge that it will be in David's favor. Too much has gone wrong in this mess.
 
It's going to be another long night without sleep.
 
Margie
This is what scares me.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 08:22:11 PM
Quote from: jlpoag;54584
Exactly. That would be the only way to do this. One of the networks would probably foot the bill for that in a second.

The more I think about it, a commercial flight does not make any sense.  It might not even be safe.  It would, after all, be leaving from Brazil.  Maybe I have seen to many movies, but I don't see them going through the airport and getting on a commercial flight.  I do not even see them boarding a commercial flight from outside the terminal.  We are talking about a nine year old boy.  I think a private flight when no one expects it would be best for SEAN!  More of my .02
Title: Re: I JUST READ MONDAY 21!
Post by: Roberta Palermo on December 21, 2009, 08:23:15 PM
Yes, I saw his name here: lins e silva I think...Of course someone reads everything here, everyday! But I was surprised when I saw his real name. Or someone is joking...Heloooo, ex-stepfather you can write to my e-mail address: robertamadrasta@globo.com

Roberta Palermo



Quote from: gail;54557
What do you mean he was here??  On the forums?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 08:23:30 PM
Quote from: shaine;54595
Anyone have a link to the story where Chris was rumored to state he was flying home tonight?


Wondering the same thing!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Lexi on December 21, 2009, 08:24:36 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;54587
And how do they keep Tostes and Nonna off the news? No way.

This is all speculative, but why would David need to care about the optics of it at that point? I would think hightailing out of there post haste would be more important. JMO.
 
Besides they slander him anyway, regardless of what he does.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 08:24:55 PM
Quote from: Roberta Palermo;54586
Lets toast tostes...
 
I had to write this...
Roberta Palermo
She will be a fired Family Therapist
www.robertapalermo.com.br (http://www.robertapalermo.com.br)

To quote Pablo from the "Backyardigans",  heh, heh, heh!  (in a sinister tone)
 
Did I really just type that?  I think I am losing it tonight!  :eek:
Title: Re: I JUST READ MONDAY 21!
Post by: Roberta Palermo on December 21, 2009, 08:25:04 PM
There is a member, lins e silva. I saw his name where we can see everybody who is on line.

Roberta Palermo


Quote from: jl2saint;54568
Probably meant in the US Gail..............
 
Maybe he is getting room reservations for a transistion period.............
 
I can dream can't I?.............
 
Please notify me if anyone spots him............;)
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 08:26:26 PM
Quote from: margie;54593
No, I do not. I totally agree Mikeberry! That's what I was thinking. Is it really true though that Chris Smith is flying home tonight? Was that heard right? If so, it would not make sense to leave early without Sean and David. I doubt that he is leaving early alone with the knowledge that it will be in David's favor. Too much has gone wrong in this mess.

It's going to be another long night without sleep.

Margie

First, do we have a good source or video of him stating with a certainty that he is flying home tonight??

Second, IF he is, there could be all sorts of mitigating circumstances. He DOES have his own family and it IS Christmas week. He COULD be so confident based on inside information that this is going to end tomorrow. He COULD have made very secure and specific arrangements with DOS staff in Rio............

Just sayin'.  

Basically there are around 300 of us on BSH right now, even though nothing is going on, so we're stuck dreaming up scenarios.  I know, it's hard to stop...:wink:
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Abarbato19 on December 21, 2009, 08:28:51 PM
hi everyone  i have been on this board but the first time i have posted on here! i hope justice is served and sean gets to come home to his dad david and family!:)
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 21, 2009, 08:28:59 PM
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Lily on December 21, 2009, 08:29:15 PM
If we can't sit still I can't even imagine what David is going through at this very moment!  Pray for him!!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: DB4 on December 21, 2009, 08:29:18 PM
I actually thought Congressman Smith was referring to getting on flight tonight hoping postive result today, and then he referred to tomorrow.  I noticed he said that too - but didn't believe he was saying he was definitely getting on a flight tonight, but rather they were ready to get on one.
 
I guess we'll find out tomorrow morning for sure...
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 08:29:30 PM
Quote from: Abarbato19;54604
hi everyone i have been on this board but the first time i have posted on here! i hope justice is served and sean gets to come home to his dad david and family!:)
Thank you and welcome to our forums!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Roberta Palermo on December 21, 2009, 08:31:49 PM
Lets remember that this travel can be very hard to Sean. He looks like a good boy, but all this time with his maternal family telling bad things. Let's pray to everything be ok!

Roberta Palermo
Getting back my Family Therapist Reputation after hating these people. But I have to say something. I am so mad!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: jjsaunt on December 21, 2009, 08:32:01 PM
Quote from: chopchop;54583
I think somewhere it read 7am EST, so that's going to be 4am in the west.

 
Okay, I am a night owl, but not that late of one.  I will hope to wake up at 10:00am (I did say I was a night owl - I haven't been in bed before midnight in weeks), and hope to see the "Wheels Up" thread.
Title: Re: I JUST READ MONDAY 21!
Post by: Evadc on December 21, 2009, 08:32:26 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the Donkey Face was reading everything we discuss here. What I find it very odd is that we have not heard anything from him or saw him in any TV interview this time, it is always Tostes and The Old Cow(aka Nona/Silvana) and the Lins and Silva are really quiet this time.I wonder if it is because their image as a law firm is as rotten as JPLS teeth. :D
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: luvthelake on December 21, 2009, 08:34:17 PM
Does NBC own a private jet?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Lily on December 21, 2009, 08:35:30 PM
Time to sign out, I too am hoping to see that "Wheels Up" thread when I wake up!!! G'night all!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Abarbato19 on December 21, 2009, 08:38:56 PM
o man I wish I could go to bed but my boys are on christmas break and they think now since there is no school we can stay up all night!:eek: lol o well I have been glued to this computer tonight lol. i gotta get  them to bed here in a few but will stay loged in to chat with everyone.
Title: Planes
Post by: jtlund on December 21, 2009, 08:40:26 PM
I bet a million to one there is NO way they would ever be on a commercial flight. First and foremost, it is going to be traumatic enough for Sean to leave what he's known more than half his life. I wouldn't want my child in public after going through what he's going through. I would want to be on a private plane with him and maybe even a counselor to help him deal with the transition. It sickens me to think the dark side didn't think one iota about this day when they were filing all these appeals.
 
Didn't those two women that were being held captive in North Korea get a government plane home? Sean and David DESERVE this as well WHEN they come home (hopefully they're on a private plan right now).
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: cathlabnurse on December 21, 2009, 08:41:04 PM
Quote from: tenorplus;54190
Hopefully, this means Mendes is doing a final review and that this means SEAN COMES HOME... and the dark side cannot appeal... waiting anxiously!!!!!!


I hope and pray that he will make the right decision. i was so anxious the whole day, not being able to concentrate on my work. Thank God all my patients today were good .
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: turo on December 21, 2009, 08:51:49 PM
Quote from: DB4;54607
I actually thought Congressman Smith was referring to getting on flight tonight hoping postive result today, and then he referred to tomorrow. I noticed he said that too - but didn't believe he was saying he was definitely getting on a flight tonight, but rather they were ready to get on one.
 
I guess we'll find out tomorrow morning for sure...

 
I saw the same on Fox news.  I understood Smith to say that he is getting on a flight tonight hoping for positive news tomorrow, however you are right in that it was not clear.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 08:52:38 PM
Off topic, but wanted to let you know that I received a disappointing letter from my congressman today. I posted it in the 'contact your congressman/woman' thread
Title: Re: I JUST READ MONDAY 21!
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 08:54:43 PM
Quote from: Evadc;54611
I wouldn't be surprised if the Donkey Face was reading everything we discuss here. What I find it very odd is that we have not heard anything from him or saw him in any TV interview this time, it is always Tostes and The Old Cow(aka Nona/Silvana) and the Lins and Silva are really quiet this time.I wonder if it is because their image as a law firm is as rotten as JPLS teeth. :D

My bet is that JPLS does not even want Sean. He would prefer to be done with this, but is too cowardly to now say so.  He's no "father figure". Bullcrap. Remember, too, folks, that it is HE who is making the claims of "custody" not Nona.  So, right, where the hell is he "defending" his claim?  Nowhere. He let's Tostes do the talking....Because he doesn't even really want Sean. He wants to be free to go play......
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 08:58:38 PM
What's up with all these white empty boxes people keep posting?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 09:01:17 PM
Quote from: Audax;54622
Off topic, but wanted to let you know that I received a disappointing letter from my congressman today. I posted it in the 'contact your congressman/woman' thread
Well gee what would make them comply?  I'm so tired of these replies :conf:
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Bree on December 21, 2009, 09:02:17 PM
Quote from: jtlund;54616
I bet a million to one there is NO way they would ever be on a commercial flight. First and foremost, it is going to be traumatic enough for Sean to leave what he's known more than half his life. I wouldn't want my child in public after going through what he's going through. I would want to be on a private plane with him and maybe even a counselor to help him deal with the transition. It sickens me to think the dark side didn't think one iota about this day when they were filing all these appeals.
 
Didn't those two women that were being held captive in North Korea get a government plane home? Sean and David DESERVE this as well WHEN they come home (hopefully they're on a private plan right now).

I would hope that someone would donate the use of their plane to pick him up but prior arrangements would have to be made, of course.  
 
As for the 2 journalists that were held captive in NK, they flew home in a private plane - supplied by a friend of Al Gore's (their supervisor) from California.  
 
If Judge Pinto's ruling is put into effect, then that would mean that the transition period would occur in NJ.  The abductors would need to come to the US.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: DB4 on December 21, 2009, 09:03:49 PM
Quote from: Audax;54622
Off topic, but wanted to let you know that I received a disappointing letter from my congressman today. I posted it in the 'contact your congressman/woman' thread

That is very disappointing.  If he doesn't thinking co-sponsoring the bills is the right strategy, perhaps he should come up with another one!  It's only been 5 years that David has been waiting for his son...does he think it's OK to wait another 5?  
 
He should look to Congressman Smith for an example of someone who won't put up with the violation of human rights and suffering of a family.  It's unfortunate that some members of Congress simply won't take a stand and take action.  It's not always about big broad initiatives where they can get the glory - sometimes it's simply about helping one citizen (and in this case others to follow) or one important cause.  To me, that's when politicians earn my respect (and ultimately my vote).
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 09:06:23 PM
Quote from: Audax;54622
Off topic, but wanted to let you know that I received a disappointing letter from my congressman today. I posted it in the 'contact your congressman/woman' thread


DISAPPOINTING?!! Gee, do you think?
Horsecrap is what it is.  
Apologies to horsecrap, you smell sweeter than this letter.

I'll keep this thread on topic, go to your post for my reply.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: whartn on December 21, 2009, 09:07:41 PM
I would think USG would send a plane w/child psych to help Sean adjust.Sean must be removed asap.I don`t think a commercial plane is appropriate.I assume that STF is timing the public announcement with Sean`s exit.That crazy Nonna with Tostes is capable of anything.Seans best interest is not a factor.I also hope Obama/Clinton and Lula are talking.I pray that Sean is in NJ for We.He will enjoy the Seasons Lights at Rockerfeller Center.David can take him ice skating.
Title: Re: I JUST READ MONDAY 21!
Post by: jlpoag on December 21, 2009, 09:14:27 PM
Quote from: Evadc;54611
I wouldn't be surprised if the Donkey Face was reading everything we discuss here. What I find it very odd is that we have not heard anything from him or saw him in any TV interview this time, it is always Tostes and The Old Cow(aka Nona/Silvana) and the Lins and Silva are really quiet this time.I wonder if it is because their image as a law firm is as rotten as JPLS teeth. :D

Oh my goodness, he does have a donkey face!:)
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Nicole's Dad on December 21, 2009, 09:14:56 PM
I just hope that when this ordeal with David and Sean is finally over that none of gthe rest of us that are still fighting will be forgotten. We'll see.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: five4me on December 21, 2009, 09:20:12 PM
Quote from: Nicole's Dad;54633
I just hope that when this ordeal with David and Sean is finally over that none of gthe rest of us that are still fighting will be forgotten. We'll see.

:yeahthat:
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Chuckles on December 21, 2009, 09:20:40 PM
Quote from: Nicole's Dad;54633
I just hope that when this ordeal with David and Sean is finally over that none of gthe rest of us that are still fighting will be forgotten. We'll see.
Not gonna happen.  I promise you this.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: jlpoag on December 21, 2009, 09:23:56 PM
Someone may have already posted this but it looks like the decision is to be made public tomorrow morning at 7am eastern standard time (not brazilian time...some of you were talking about it being at 4 am est).  If someone already posted this info...sorry for the repeat.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 09:25:06 PM
Quote from: Nicole's Dad;54633
I just hope that when this ordeal with David and Sean is finally over that none of gthe rest of us that are still fighting will be forgotten. We'll see.
NEVER GONNA HAPPEN! The way I look at is , David's plight is a stepping stone for all other parents. This is just a battle in the war so to speak.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 09:26:03 PM
I have hope, but there are a lot of assumptions that tomorrow will go in David's favor.  I am trying to be realistic.  I had a major breakdown after Mello issued the stay, and I am hesitant to believe Sean will be on a plane this week.  Sorry to be a downer, but do we have any actual information that would lead us to believe this or is it all supposition?

Again - I am praying so hard and hoping that I am reading the 'signs' from Brazil correctly.    The wheels are not up yet - but they da** well should be.
Title: Re: I JUST READ MONDAY 21!
Post by: cathlabnurse on December 21, 2009, 09:32:18 PM
I guess it is another day of waiting, when will this ever end? Anyway let us join David in his prayers to have Sean with him going home to NJ.
Title: Just curious
Post by: jtlund on December 21, 2009, 09:32:18 PM
If they think the order is against them and finally allows David to bring Sean home, would they be able to sneak Sean to another country that doesn't acknowledge orders of other countries? I hope they don't have a passport for him. I could totally see them pulling a stunt like this.
Title: Re: Just curious
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 09:35:46 PM
Quote from: jtlund;54643
If they think the order is against them and finally allows David to bring Sean home, would they be able to sneak Sean to another country that doesn't acknowledge orders of other countries? I hope they don't have a passport for him. I could totally see them pulling a stunt like this.

He does have a Brazilian passport, because Bruna and JLS were able to actually take him out of Brazil on a trip once.  His US passport may still be valid, but since Bruna had that with her in June of 2004 - it is not in David's possession (at least I don't think it is).  The family is being watched - for sure.  

The passport thing is a technicality.
Title: Re: I JUST READ MONDAY 21!
Post by: abbysomething on December 21, 2009, 09:40:18 PM
Quote from: lovellboys;54444
Thoughts? I find it interesting that Tostes is already saying he will file an appeal to god himself if Mendes does not rule in his favor. Normally he is not so vehement. I especially like that he will accompany Sean to the US.

Unfortunately for Tostes god screens his calls.  :eusa_naughty:
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Ceilli on December 21, 2009, 09:43:07 PM
Quote from: ChristineS;54255
I just stepped away from the computer for one hour, then hit the refresh button on this thread and there are 20 new PAGES! Yet there is no real news development.
 
What are you people writing about? :(
(not enough time in the day to play catch up here folks)

Quote from: Chuckles;54274
Mostly some idle speculation, jocularity and other general support group-type activities. Nothing groundbreaking, but sure seems like a great group of folks!
:D

We needed a new thread today for "Community Chatter" "Jibber Jabber" "Group Therapy", or "Senior Member Wannabe". With the important, real news updates in another.
 
I had to go to other sites to see if there was a decision made; too much fluff here. But, Chuckles is right, a great group even if the keyboard is too irresistible. ;)
 
Being a senior member doesn't have any perks; except for the gratification of trying to do the right thing and the grey hair that comes along with it!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: luvthelake on December 21, 2009, 09:45:21 PM
Piece on Hannity now.
Title: Re: I JUST READ MONDAY 21!
Post by: abbysomething on December 21, 2009, 09:46:20 PM
Atlantic, I thought about that too, but he is so high profile it would be hard to disappear and he has a daughter and career etc.
 
I like to think he would not go that far. But I do seem to recall they said authorities had him on watch. I really hope that is true as well as effective. I know people who have been on "watch" have been able to leave a country.
 
I guess if I were David, I would just want to stop the appeals and go from there. I would not want to think about it but given the choice, I might feel more hope with the man as a fugitive vs. being given permission to keep an abducted child. :(
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: liesl78 on December 21, 2009, 09:54:08 PM
Quote from: Nicole's Dad;54633
I just hope that when this ordeal with David and Sean is finally over that none of gthe rest of us that are still fighting will be forgotten. We'll see.

We´re not going anywhere!!! I posted this earlier today in the BSH orkut community. It´s not over, there are more kids we have to fight for.

By the way, Lauro Jardim from Veja magazine posted earlier today that Sean is not alone, that there are 60+ American kids ilegally retained in Brazil.
Title: Re: STF President expected to make decision Monday Dec 21
Post by: Chuckles on December 21, 2009, 09:54:18 PM
Quote from: Ceilli;54646
We needed a new thread today for "Community Chatter" "Jibber Jabber" "Group Therapy", or "Senior Member Wannabe". With the important, real news updates in another.
 
I had to go to other sites to see if there was a decision made; too much fluff here. But, Chuckles is right, a great group even if the keyboard is too irresistible. ;)
 
Being a senior member doesn't have any perks; except for the gratification of trying to do the right thing and the grey hair that comes along with it!
Funny you should mention that... we're working on just such a thing!
:D
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Nicole's Dad on December 21, 2009, 09:55:47 PM
Quote from: Teena;54640
NEVER GONNA HAPPEN! The way I look at is , David's plight is a stepping stone for all other parents. This is just a battle in the war so to speak.

I have chosen to take the high road for now until this story unfolds. I have contemplated whether or not to accept the offer from Nikki's mother of a visitation arrangement so that Nicole can come here and visit 3 months out of the year. Her summer school break and her mid year break. That's it. No more time because she's in school. And her mother also wants all the criminal charges against her dropped. No telling what other kind of demands she will make.
 
I personally don't think she will have a leg to stand on with making demands if Sean is sent home but we'll see. And for the record, I've had personal conversations with my Congressman Ted Poe (R-TX) on all fronts. He supports me in whatever I decide to do. Also was on a conference call with the OCI and Patricia Lamego with the BCA week before last. We'll see how much lip service they gave me because I;m fixing tro put them to their first test.
 
I am fortunate that I do get to speak with Nicole all the time and she is just as confused about all of this as possibly Sean is about his situation. On one hand she doesn't want to be away from her mother and on the other she is sad to be so far away from her daddy and wants to be with me. She knows what has happened. She just doesn't understand it. I feel so sorry for her. I'm going there on January 8th to the 23rd for her birthday. She is so excited. I can't wait to get my arms around that little girl. Just wish I could bring her home for good.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Nicole's Dad on December 21, 2009, 09:56:49 PM
Quote from: liesl78;54649
We´re not going anywhere!!! I posted this earlier today in the BSH orkut community. It´s not over, there are more kids we have to fight for.
 
By the way, Lauro Jardim from Veja magazine posted earlier today that Sean is not alone, that there are 60+ American kids ilegally retained in Brazil.

And Nicole Pate is one of them.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Bo1 on December 21, 2009, 09:57:51 PM
Quote from: Roberta Palermo;54609
Lets remember that this travel can be very hard to Sean. He looks like a good boy, but all this time with his maternal family telling bad things. Let's pray to everything be ok!

Roberta Palermo
Getting back my Family Therapist Reputation after hating these people. But I have to say something. I am so mad!


Hey Roberta....why don't you quit schilling your services here. That's all your posts have been good for.:nixweiss:
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 09:59:36 PM
Quote from: Nicole's Dad;54652
I have chosen to take the high road for now until this story unfolds. I have contemplated whether or not to accept the offer from Nikki's mother of a visitation arrangement so that Nicole can come here and visit 3 months out of the year. Her summer school break and her mid year break. That's it. No more time because she's in school. And her mother also wants all the criminal charges against her dropped. No telling what other kind of demands she will make.
 
I personally don't think she will have a leg to stand on with making demands if Sean is sent home but we'll see. And for the record, I've had personal conversations with my Congressman Ted Poe (R-TX) on all fronts. He supports me in whatever I decide to do. Also was on a conference call with the OCI and Patricia Lamego with the BCA week before last. We'll see how much lip service they gave me because I;m fixing tro put them to their first test.
 
I am fortunate that I do get to speak with Nicole all the time and she is just as confused about all of this as possibly Sean is about his situation. On one hand she doesn't want to be away from her mother and on the other she is sad to be so far away from her daddy and wants to be with me. She knows what has happened. She just doesn't understand it. I feel so sorry for her. I'm going there on January 8th to the 23rd for her birthday. She is so excited. I can't wait to get my arms around that little girl. Just wish I could bring her home for good.
Wow Marty. At the very least it is good you still have a relationship with her. Its a tough call for you to make. Do in your heart what you think is best and I for one will back you 100%.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: greg4sean on December 21, 2009, 10:01:31 PM
Quote from: Nicole's Dad;54633
I just hope that when this ordeal with David and Sean is finally over that none of gthe rest of us that are still fighting will be forgotten. We'll see.

I will keep fighting for all of the LBP's as long as I breathe! My mantra is “Remember the LBP’s” and is just as strong as “Remember the Alamo” I will do whatever I can do till Nicole, Sage, Sean, Erika, and all of them are home! Never fear that we will forget for you are not alone!
 
:wave:
 
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: DB4 on December 21, 2009, 10:01:45 PM
Story will be on Anderson 360 within the next hour - they said they will talk to David Goldman and also a spokesperson for the family.....
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 10:09:13 PM
Quote from: DB4;54657
Story will be on Anderson 360 within the next hour - they said they will talk to David Goldman and also a spokesperson for the family.....


Guess that means he is not on a plane?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 10:10:09 PM
Quote from: DB4;54657
Story will be on Anderson 360 within the next hour - they said they will talk to David Goldman and also a spokesperson for the family.....
what station is that on?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 10:10:50 PM
Quote from: Nicole's Dad;54633
I just hope that when this ordeal with David and Sean is finally over that none of gthe rest of us that are still fighting will be forgotten. We'll see.
You won't be, I'm not going anywhere!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: DB4 on December 21, 2009, 10:11:33 PM
Quote from: lovellboys;54660
Guess that means he is not on a plane?

Who knows?  Maybe it's not live.....
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: DB4 on December 21, 2009, 10:12:02 PM
Quote from: Teena;54661
what station is that on?

CNN.  I think it's coming up shortly after this next break.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 10:13:51 PM
Quote from: DB4;54664
CNN. I think it's coming up shortly after this next break.
running to the tv now! thanx!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: liesl78 on December 21, 2009, 10:21:10 PM
It will be right after the break!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: TeleSkier on December 21, 2009, 10:29:27 PM
Quote from: liesl78;54667
It will be right after the break!

CNN live online:
http://freetubetv.net/index.php?view=1Y25ucGx1cw
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: liesl78 on December 21, 2009, 10:30:45 PM
Toasted is on live, playing victim *barf*
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Luiza on December 21, 2009, 10:31:17 PM
OMG that Tostes is such a jerk.  Uggggggggggg
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 10:32:50 PM
OMG! Did you hear Toasted? He is SO full of LIEs and inconsistencies! And he is an attorney? What a crock of crap he just spewed! Makes me sick!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: mikeberry on December 21, 2009, 10:32:54 PM
Goodnight everyone.  I am praying that when I check tomorrow is is good news!!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Nicole's Dad on December 21, 2009, 10:33:32 PM
Quote from: liesl78;54669
Toasted is on live, playing victim *barf*

Who the hell is Tostes to be making demands to Sean's father? Get a rope.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 10:35:31 PM
Quote from: Nicole's Dad;54673
Who the hell is Tostes to be making demands to Sean's father? Get a rope.
:yeahthat: He says they wanted to sit down and negotiate ALL ALONG! Well d-bag if you can't even accept a phone call how the heck was David supposed to "negotiate"?!?!? As IF David SHOULD negotiate!!! My blood is boiling!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: DB4 on December 21, 2009, 10:36:22 PM
You can really hear in David's voice the pain and frustration.  Right on David- if the ruling goes your way, no need to stay through Christmas for the abductors sake. Get home to NJ.
 
Tostes is unbelievable - in this segment he tries to come across as accommodating, kind.  No threats this time on "proving David is unfit."  Give me a break.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: BEJ_Mom on December 21, 2009, 10:36:33 PM
Why would you negociate with your son's abductor?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: todez on December 21, 2009, 10:36:35 PM
Just missed it!  Guess I'll have to wait for the link, but from what I'm reading, it's more LIES from TOSTES and THE DARK SIDE.  No surprise there.

These lies have to get back to the Brazilian people!  They have to see what this family is doing to the reputation of their nation and their people.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 10:37:09 PM
That was awful.  And I wish she had attorneys to talk about it afterward, but nothing.  He is such a scum it made me sick listening to that.  This had better be over tomorrow.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: liesl78 on December 21, 2009, 10:37:21 PM
Leave your comments, everyone:
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/12/21/live-blog-from-the-anchor-desk-122109-2/comment-page-2/#comment-952533
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 10:42:42 PM
Quote from: gail;54679
That was awful.  And I wish she had attorneys to talk about it afterward, but nothing.  He is such a scum it made me sick listening to that.  This had better be over tomorrow.


Was Tostes live?  I am curious as to his motives.  If he expects to win, why keep lying about wanting to negotiate?
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Priss on December 21, 2009, 10:44:53 PM
They want to negotiate alright.  They WANT everything to go THEIR WAY, period.  Go fly a kite you bunch of......
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 10:45:52 PM
Quote from: liesl78;54680
Leave your comments, everyone:
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/12/21/live-blog-from-the-anchor-desk-122109-2/comment-page-2/#comment-952533
Done!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Teena on December 21, 2009, 10:46:49 PM
Quote from: liesl78;54680
Leave your comments, everyone:
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/12/21/live-blog-from-the-anchor-desk-122109-2/comment-page-2/#comment-952533
Comment is in moderation. Not sure they will approve it. I broke a few of their rules. Im so pizzed!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 10:46:51 PM
Quote from: lovellboys;54681
Was Tostes live? I am curious as to his motives. If he expects to win, why keep lying about wanting to negotiate?
He was on the phone, I don't know if it was live or previously recorded.  But he's awful!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Ceilli on December 21, 2009, 10:47:23 PM
It was live.
 
David's portion was pre-recorded.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: DB4 on December 21, 2009, 10:47:48 PM
Quote from: gail;54685
He was on the phone, I don't know if it was live or previously recorded. But he's awful!

David was earlier today.  Tostes was live - that's what was stated when they introduced him.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: liesl78 on December 21, 2009, 10:49:58 PM
The fox news coverage was so much better

http://video.foxnews.com/12712917/international-custody-battle/?category_id=c4af20a13affa531b3524c6b864 6814021382419 (http://video.foxnews.com/12712917/international-custody-battle/?category_id=c4af20a13affa531b3524c6b8646814021382419)
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: lovellboys on December 21, 2009, 10:52:52 PM
Posted my comment on CNN.  Honestly - how can people be so ignorant?  If you don't know all the details of the case, keep your mouth shut or research this site to get a clue.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 10:56:42 PM
Quote from: Priss;54682
They want to negotiate alright.  They WANT everything to go THEIR WAY, period.  Go fly a kite you bunch of......

This cannot end soon enough.  They cannot really seriously think that David, ANYONE, would accept or even take seriously an invitation PUT FORTH BY YOUR ADVERSARY'S ATTORNEY to share "Christmas with The Kidnappers"?  They could not even dredge up a quasi neutral family member (because of course there are none).

ITS AN INVITATION FROM A LAWYER FOR GOD'S SAKE!  If it wasn't so sad, it would be absolutely HILARIOUS! I mean it.....

The only good thing about this piece on CNN is that you could hardly understand Tostes.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 10:57:28 PM
Quote from: liesl78;54689
The fox news coverage was so much better
 
http://video.foxnews.com/12712917/international-custody-battle/?category_id=c4af20a13affa531b3524c6b864 6814021382419 (http://video.foxnews.com/12712917/international-custody-battle/?category_id=c4af20a13affa531b3524c6b8646814021382419)
That was good.  I hope we have good news tomorrow!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Lexi on December 21, 2009, 10:58:57 PM
My comment's in moderation too
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Chicco on December 21, 2009, 11:03:17 PM
Hi Folks,
 
Checking STF site and trying to follow up on what is the status of the two writ of mandamus, I found that Silvana filed two petition(one for each) thru her lawyer to check the documents (the expression in portuguese is "pedir vistas do processo"). I am not sure whether this is normal procedure or not but it could have been the reason for the delay as she filed these petitions at 2:18pm. Also David filed two petitions to his writ of mandamus around 3:30pm where he basically added the sentence ruled on TRF-2...
 
On another comment I sort of missed the comments from ou legal experts today on how they saw the recent development (Gilmar Mendes ruling and the postponement). I am not sure whether they were done somewhere else or I just did not find them in this thread, which would explain as I had a hard time keeping track of the thread the way people were so motivated to post. Do you know if they did post comments?
 
Good night and let´s hope tomorrow is a good day, better... a great day.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Caldwell on December 21, 2009, 11:09:28 PM
Quote from: Chicco;54694
Hi Folks,
 
Checking STF site and trying to follow up on what is the status of the two writ of mandamus, I found that Silvana filed two petition(one for each) thru her lawyer to check the documents (the expression in portuguese is "pedir vistas do processo"). I am not sure whether this is normal procedure or not but it could have been the reason for the delay as she filed these petitions at 2:18pm. Also David filed two petitions to his writ of mandamus around 3:30pm where he basically added the sentence ruled on TRF-2...
 
On another comment I sort of missed the comments from ou legal experts today on how they saw the recent development (Gilmar Mendes ruling and the postponement). I am not sure whether they were done somewhere else or I just did not find them in this thread, which would explain as I had a hard time keeping track of the thread the way people were so motivated to post. Do you know if they did post comments?
 
Good night and let´s hope tomorrow is a good day, better... a great day.

Chicco,

I did not see anything from Tunvesk after the postponement. Or others.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: BEJ_Mom on December 21, 2009, 11:11:07 PM
Tunvesk said earlier he had a dinner party. If that helps.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Chicco on December 21, 2009, 11:11:18 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;54698
Chicco,
 
I did not see anything from Tunvesk after the postponement. Or others.

Thanks Caldwell,
 
I really missed their reading today... we talk tomorrow.
 
God bless us all
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 11:12:03 PM
Quote from: lbl;54695
People who really kow the whole story know that Sean should be back in New Jersey ASAP... Brazil is not playing fair and we all know that it's easy to buy people there... Went there many times and I clearly understand the way people think. Only thing that matters is money and the only way David can get Sean back is with the help of US government.
BSH's members you are doing an amazing job and don't give up until Sean is back to NJ!!!
Oh we won't give up!  I also went back to the CNN website to leave another comment about the other children in Brazil, but it was closed.  We all have to remember to also mention all the other abducted children in Brazil!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Lexi on December 21, 2009, 11:12:21 PM
For those of you who (understandably) don't want to wade through 148 pages of this thread for legal updates, just a suggestion that you can go to Tunevsk's or anyone elses profile and check their posts for today.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 11:13:24 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;54698
Chicco,
 
I did not see anything from Tunvesk after the postponement. Or others.
Didn't he say it was a good sign that it was taking this long?  And he did mention all the things Chicco wrote about.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: BEJ_Mom on December 21, 2009, 11:17:10 PM
He did he said that it may take longer to make sure there is no wiggle room for other side. He did mention a motion granny made to give them 5 days to review the documents David & others filed. (in so many words...not a lawyer of course just a mom)
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: sue on December 21, 2009, 11:19:06 PM
I thought so!  Okay, I'm going to bed....I've been glued to this computer all day!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Bree on December 21, 2009, 11:19:56 PM
Quote from: gail;54703
Didn't he say it was a good sign that it was taking this long? And he did mention all the things Chicco wrote about.

He made an excellent post today on the way things work - 4 tiers, etc. and Chuck copied it into the LATEST NEWS sticky on the main Sean Goldman Forum page.
 
http://www.bringseanhome.org/forum/report.php?p=53940
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: chutt123 on December 21, 2009, 11:25:07 PM
The news report is on CNN right now in Las Vegas!!!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Bree on December 21, 2009, 11:28:35 PM
They are talking about the case now and have David on the phone (pre-recorded I'm guessing). My 7 month old son (Sean) is squealing and reaching for the tv when they show the photos of David and Sean together.
 
This is a repeat show because Tostes is about to talk. :upck:
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: chopchop on December 21, 2009, 11:37:51 PM
Quote from: liesl78;54669
Toasted is on live, playing victim *barf*

 
Triple *barf*, Tostes is the epitome of duplicity. The guy can't keep his story straight from one interview to the next. Frankly, these interviewers are just showing way too much deference to this guy. Rarely does the interviewer call him out on the facts of the case and the obvious efforts by the Brazilian family to keep David out of Sean's life. Makes me sick to see this clown get equal time spouting his BS.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Chuckles on December 21, 2009, 11:41:03 PM
Quote from: chopchop;54710
Triple *barf*, Tostes is the epitome of duplicity.  The guy can't keep his story straight from one interview to the next.  Frankly, these interviewers are just show way too much deference to this guy.  Rarely does the interviewer call him out on the facts of the case and the obvious efforts by the Brazilian family to keep David out of Sean's life.  Makes me sick to see this clown get equal time spouting his BS.

Yeah, but you know what?  Everyone else sees the same thing you do.

Anyone who is buying the line of crap this toad is spewing is predisposed to brain clouds in the first place.  I don't think he's doing any damage... in fact, I think with every verbal fart that passes his lips he looks like a bigger horse's a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a ss.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: LDJVR on December 21, 2009, 11:51:05 PM
Quote from: Chuckles;54711
Yeah, but you know what? Everyone else sees the same thing you do.
 
Anyone who is buying the line of crap this toad is spewing is predisposed to brain clouds in the first place. I don't think he's doing any damage... in fact, I think with every verbal fart that passes his lips he looks like a bigger horse's a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a ss.

 
 
Laughing so hard!!! :hihi:  SOOOO true!!!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: chopchop on December 21, 2009, 11:53:18 PM
Quote from: Chuckles;54711
Yeah, but you know what? Everyone else sees the same thing you do.
 
Anyone who is buying the line of crap this toad is spewing is predisposed to brain clouds in the first place. I don't think he's doing any damage... in fact, I think with every verbal fart that passes his lips he looks like a bigger horse's a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a ss.

I know what your saying Chuck but unfortunately many people suffer from "Joe vs the Volcano" syndrome. I don't believe that most people will take the time to check all the facts of the case, it's just to convuluted and time comsuming to do all the research. Of course we here at BSH know +95% of the facts of the case, so nothing gets by us. However, I just don't think the average Joe can separate fact from fiction and thats why the viewer needs these reporters to take a closer look at the facts and claims made by Tostes et al.
 
Point in case, Tostes is still going on about how David didn't see Sean for four years. Tostes doesn't even try to hide the fact that this choice that David had to make was made because David could not in the eyes of the law appear as if he approved in any way of Sean's new and established living arrangement. If David had visited Sean he tacitly risked losing his Hague Convention claim. Hell, if David had visited Sean, Tostes would now be claiming that David had approved of Sean's new living status with his mother in Brazil, and therefore Sean should stay in Brazil.  No matter what it's a; "dammed if you don't, dammed if you do" lose, lose for David.
 
Anyway, he is not honest (understatement of the century I know) so I shouldn't be surprised at anything that comes out of his mouth...
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Audax on December 21, 2009, 11:56:28 PM
Quote from: Guenevere;54588
WHO IS LOCAL?
 
LET'S CELEBRATE WHEN THE PLANE LANDS....because it will, in fact, eventually land......
 
Val's?
Barncles?
Nauvoo?


Let me know where and when
Title: Re: I JUST READ MONDAY 21!
Post by: AnotherDad on December 22, 2009, 12:07:38 AM
Quote from: Roberta Palermo;54598
Yes, I saw his name here: lins e silva I think...Of course someone reads everything here, everyday! But I was surprised when I saw his real name. Or someone is joking...Heloooo, ex-stepfather you can write to my e-mail address: robertamadrasta@globo.com (robertamadrasta@globo.com)
 
Roberta Palermo

You work for O Globo????
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Audax on December 22, 2009, 12:26:34 AM
Quote from: liesl78;54680
Leave your comments, everyone:
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/12/21/live-blog-from-the-anchor-desk-122109-2/comment-page-2/#comment-952533


Just FYI. That Isabel in the comments wasn't me. She's from the dark side.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: chutt123 on December 22, 2009, 12:32:28 AM
Did anyone see Jeff Rosen's last tweets?

If the timeline pans out... we could get a decision while TODAY is on the air. We'll be updating the show as we get breaking developments.

A decision in the David Goldman case...

See you tomorrow... good night
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: AveryHadleigh on December 22, 2009, 12:32:49 AM
Okay, so can someone update me on the time the decision is expected? I have read a couple of different things... 7am Eastern and 7am Rio time. Which one is it? Because if it is Rio time I may just stay up and wrap presents all night and wait for the info (I'm on MST time.) Yes, I'm serious... I can't believe how jumpy I am to read the decision!
Thanks!
Jenny
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: gil on December 22, 2009, 12:46:47 AM
Quote from: AveryHadleigh;54719
Okay, so can someone update me on the time the decision is expected? I have read a couple of different things... 7am Eastern and 7am Rio time. Which one is it? Because if it is Rio time I may just stay up and wrap presents all night and wait for the info (I'm on MST time.) Yes, I'm serious... I can't believe how jumpy I am to read the decision!
Thanks!
Jenny

7AM EST I believe, 10 AM in Rio
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Ceilli on December 22, 2009, 12:47:03 AM
Quote from: AveryHadleigh;54719
Okay, so can someone update me on the time the decision is expected? I have read a couple of different things... 7am Eastern and 7am Rio time. Which one is it? Because if it is Rio time I may just stay up and wrap presents all night and wait for the info (I'm on MST time.) Yes, I'm serious... I can't believe how jumpy I am to read the decision!
Thanks!
Jenny

I'm only heard 7 am EST which is 10 am Brazil time.
 
http://twitter.com/jeffrossen
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: jjsaunt on December 22, 2009, 01:04:47 AM
I'm signing off.  I've been listening to Pandora radio - 25 days of Christmas songs while working and doing my occasional check on this site.
 
The last song was Frank Sinatra & Dean Martin sing Auld Lang Syne and Dean Martin signs off with his moral of the day:
 
"Put your troubles away until tomorrow.  Maybe tonight someone will break into your house tonight and steal them."
 
We could all hope.  Goodnight.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Audax on December 22, 2009, 01:31:04 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/21/AR2009122101107.html?hpid=moreheadlines
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Audax on December 22, 2009, 01:45:47 AM
Good night everyone!
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 22, 2009, 01:53:05 AM
Quote from: liesl78;54689
The fox news coverage was so much better

http://video.foxnews.com/12712917/international-custody-battle/?category_id=c4af20a13affa531b3524c6b864 6814021382419 (http://video.foxnews.com/12712917/international-custody-battle/?category_id=c4af20a13affa531b3524c6b8646814021382419)
I agree. What a simple, informed, clear and adult piece. Compare that to the CBS imbroglios and you have to ask yourself how serious and professional those others really are.

This video + Tunevsk 'primer update' together can put any visitor up to speed in no time...

Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: AveryHadleigh on December 22, 2009, 02:00:51 AM
Quote from: gil;54720
7AM EST I believe, 10 AM in Rio

Thank you!
Jenny
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: Chuckles on December 22, 2009, 02:12:02 AM
Quote from: BrazilianForJustice;54725
I agree. What a simple, informed, clear and adult piece. Compare that to the CBS imbroglios and you have to ask yourself how serious and professional those others really are.

This video + Tunevsk 'primer update' together can put any visitor up to speed in no time...

That's a gross overstatement about the other news outlets.  Yeah, the CBS/Harry Smith episode was an abomination, but NBC, ABC and CNN have been doing a great job.  The Nightline segment last Friday was outstanding and CNN has had the two best interviews I've ever seen about the case in the last few days, with David and Mark.

What distresses me most is the print media, which seems to more often than not rely on AP wire reports - which are almost always shoddy journalism.

That said, the Fox piece lays it out about as clearly as anyone could.  So kudos to them.
Title: Re: STF President decision expected 12/21: 5pm UPDATE DECISION NOW EXPECTED TUES
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 22, 2009, 02:25:08 AM
I was referring to the people at CBS pretending they don't quite get it, not highlighting, much less explaining, the Hague Convention, seemingly puzzled by the lack of 'negotiation', and, like today, even spreading rumors. ABC and NBC were professional all along. Dateline was invaluable and Meredith Vieira proved to be one the foremost newscasters, and human being, in the land.

But I still think that this panel with Kimberly Guillfoyle and the others hits the nail...

The lawyer also highlights something that has not been discussed so much. That is the fact that Sean does not have to