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Title: More media coverage...
Post by: JonathanR on December 26, 2009, 04:11:30 PM
Did anybody read this today??...
 
http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/11613/1/
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Kerry on December 26, 2009, 04:27:02 PM
Yeah, I read that earlier, and was going to post the link on here, but there were some extremely ugly anti-semitic comments on there that enraged me.

And because of the joy we are all feeling, I did not want to introduce something so ugly.

I see that a few of these comments have now been removed.

Kerry

 
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: jl2saint on December 26, 2009, 04:43:24 PM
Grandmother Blasts Brazil for Selling Out Sean Goldman and Vows to Visit Him Soon
 
"Vow" all you want you ol battle axe....W/out Dave's permission, you are OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
And people wonder why we pile on her in her time of "grief"......
 
She won't stop w/ the insults. She won't stop w/ the "me, me, me"......
 
She is getting what she deserves and I for one hope she gets a lot more of it.......:nixweiss:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Shar on December 26, 2009, 05:18:02 PM

Hold the dates!!!


http://allday.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/12/26/2161269.aspxExclusive:
Vieira sits down with David Goldman  Posted: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:16 PM by Ian Sager


 In an exclusive interview, NBC  News’ Meredith Vieira will sit down with David Goldman in his first interview  since regaining custody of his son, Sean. The interview will air on  TODAY, Monday, December 28, and in a special two-hour Dateline, Friday, January  8 at 8 p.m. ET.
 The Dateline special will  include exclusive footage of the reunion of Goldman and his son as well as their  trip back together from Brazil and their first days in the United States. The  special will also feature Vieira’s previous interviews with Goldman and NBC  News’ extensive coverage of this story.
(http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Video/091225/tdy_rossen_goldman_091225.standard.jpg)  Related story: Sean Goldman playful, sleepy (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34583825/ns/world_news-americas/)
Related video: [URL=http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/34594874#34594874]Goldmans spend holiday together (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34583825/ns/world_news-americas/)[/SIZE][/FONT][/URL]

Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: lovellboys on December 26, 2009, 05:21:17 PM
Quote from: Shar;60861

Hold the dates!!!


http://allday.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/12/26/2161269.aspxExclusive:
Vieira sits down with David Goldman  Posted: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:16 PM by Ian Sager


 In an exclusive interview, NBC  News’ Meredith Vieira will sit down with David Goldman in his first interview  since regaining custody of his son, Sean. The interview will air on  TODAY, Monday, December 28, and in a special two-hour Dateline, Friday, January  8 at 8 p.m. ET.
 The Dateline special will  include exclusive footage of the reunion of Goldman and his son as well as their  trip back together from Brazil and their first days in the United States. The  special will also feature Vieira’s previous interviews with Goldman and NBC  News’ extensive coverage of this story.
(http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Video/091225/tdy_rossen_goldman_091225.standard.jpg)  Related story: Sean Goldman playful, sleepy (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34583825/ns/world_news-americas/)
Related video: [URL=http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/34594874#34594874]Goldmans spend holiday together (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34583825/ns/world_news-americas/)[/SIZE][/FONT][/URL]



Good - she deserves the exclusive on this.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Shar on December 26, 2009, 05:23:22 PM
Quote from: lovellboys;60862
Good - she deserves the exclusive on this.

I agree!!

GO, Meredith!!!

 :cheer: :cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 26, 2009, 05:23:34 PM
WE GOTTA HAVE SOME OF THE OTHER LBPs IN THAT SPECIAL!!!!!!!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Shar on December 26, 2009, 05:28:20 PM
Quote from: BrazilianForJustice;60865
WE GOTTA HAVE SOME OF THE OTHER LBPs IN THAT SPECIAL!!!!!!!

I was hoping she would do ANOTHER ENTIRE PROGRAM focused on all the other LBPs and the global issue of child abduction, and that it would be a springboard to an entire NBC Dateline series...beginning a new theme (like they have the predator theme, the crime theme, etc.) that would recur repeatedly with different cases and LBPs.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Aida on December 26, 2009, 05:36:05 PM
Lady get a life!!! Luca needs you to hold his hand on his way out of Brazil where he renounced his CITIZENSHIP!!!:eek:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JonathanR on December 26, 2009, 07:19:06 PM
Quote from: Shar;60861
Hold the dates!!!
 
http://allday.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/12/26/2161269.aspxExclusive:
Vieira sits down with David Goldman Posted: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:16 PM by Ian Sager

 
In an exclusive interview, NBC News’ Meredith Vieira will sit down with David Goldman in his first interview since regaining custody of his son, Sean. The interview will air on TODAY, Monday, December 28, and in a special two-hour Dateline, Friday, January 8 at 8 p.m. ET.
The Dateline special will include exclusive footage of the reunion of Goldman and his son as well as their trip back together from Brazil and their first days in the United States. The special will also feature Vieira’s previous interviews with Goldman and NBC News’ extensive coverage of this story.
(http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Video/091225/tdy_rossen_goldman_091225.standard.jpg) Related story: Sean Goldman playful, sleepy (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34583825/ns/world_news-americas/)
Related video: [URL=http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/34594874#34594874]Goldmans spend holiday together (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34583825/ns/world_news-americas/)[/SIZE][/FONT][/URL]
 

I think Meredith Vieira is largely responsible for getting this story the national (and all subsequent) attention it required for sean's return home.
God bless her! :yeahthat:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: CGU-68 on December 26, 2009, 07:25:58 PM
She and Jeff Rossum are the two that brought it to my attention.....
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: sandy on December 26, 2009, 07:29:39 PM
NBC is the best!!!!!!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: gr8one on December 26, 2009, 07:35:24 PM
Quote from: JonathanR;60842
Did anybody read this today??...
 
http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/11613/1/


that article is just..wow.   Silvana is truly a sick woman
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: margie on December 26, 2009, 07:43:20 PM
Quote from: Shar;60861

Hold the dates!!!


http://allday.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/12/26/2161269.aspxExclusive:
Vieira sits down with David Goldman  Posted: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:16 PM by Ian Sager


 In an exclusive interview, NBC  News’ Meredith Vieira will sit down with David Goldman in his first interview  since regaining custody of his son, Sean. The interview will air on  TODAY, Monday, December 28, and in a special two-hour Dateline, Friday, January  8 at 8 p.m. ET.
 
That is nice. I suspected that David would hold an interview before long. Dateline brought this story to life. I went through the timeline today and remember watching every one of those videos. I was glued to this story in disbelief.
I bet David will mention the other LBPs too.
It will be great to see more photos of them so happy together.

Margie
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Firebird on December 26, 2009, 07:47:28 PM
Anti-semitism... well.

Let's remember that there are laws in Brazil (just as well as in Germany) forbidding the use of nazi symbols and propaganda.

However, there is nazi propaganda being produced in portuguese, by an US Citizen, coming from Lincoln, Nebraska, who has declared sometime, that ""Neither the Communists      nor the Nazis would ever have dared kidnap an American citizen. The fight      will go on."

Are US Citizens wanting to say they are the cleanest in the world?

It's a twisted world we live in.

Enough of one-upmanship.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JonathanR on December 26, 2009, 07:52:04 PM
Quote from: gr8one;60914
that article is just..wow. Silvana is truly a sick woman

yes. it may very well be narcissistic personality disorder or bipolar disorder. either way, she brings poignant new meaning to the word egocentric.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 26, 2009, 07:57:50 PM
Quote from: Shar;60867
I was hoping she would do ANOTHER ENTIRE PROGRAM focused on all the other LBPs and the global issue of child abduction, and that it would be a springboard to an entire NBC Dateline series...beginning a new theme (like they have the predator theme, the crime theme, etc.) that would recur repeatedly with different cases and LBPs.
At the least, to have a segment about the overall crisis and a quick appearance by Bernie Aronson. I am sure Mark and others will bring up the subject of the other 64 children at some point during their appearances.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: SinNombre on December 26, 2009, 08:15:54 PM
Quote from: Shar;60863
I agree!!

GO, Meredith!!!

 :cheer: :cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer:

Ditto.  That's what brought it my attention was Meredith Viera reporting on David's story.  I kept up with what was going on through the "Today" show for a while, then started coming here for updates.  She rocks! :cheer:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Caldwell on December 26, 2009, 08:38:27 PM
Quote from: gr8one;60914
that article is just..wow.   Silvana is truly a sick woman

Thankfully her fifteen minutes are almost up. I would say she's at around 13:30 right now. I would say later, but unfortunately CBS will probably extend her last minute with one last blast of exposure when she comes here to be denied by David and the NJ Courts.  Then her sun will set for good as far as US exposure is concerned.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: TomD on December 26, 2009, 08:38:48 PM
An interesting article by Seth Kugal of Global Post

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/brazil/091224/sean-goldman-brazil

Only 3 comments -- 2 favorable, 1 DS, that ratio should change soon enough.

Frenzy greets Sean Goldman's arrival (http://www.globalpost.com/gallery/brazil/091224/sean-golman-brazil-us)Seth Kugel (http://www.globalpost.com/bio/seth-kugel) - GlobalPost December 24, 2009  08:52  ET

Sean Goldman on jet headed for the US (http://"http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/brazil/091224/sean-goldman-brazil)

His departure came after a frenzied scene at the American Consulate in Rio de Janeiro.

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By Seth Kugel (http://www.globalpost.com/bio/seth-kugel) - GlobalPostPublished: December 24, 2009  08:59  ET

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil — Almost five years after Bruna Bianchi took her American-born son Sean Goldman on vacation from New Jersey to her native Brazil and never returned, Sean is back with his father.
 At about 10 a.m. today, they left the American consulate on President Wilson Avenue in downtown Rio de Janeiro, and sped away in police-escorted SUVs to the airport, where they boarded a private jet to the United States.
 According to the lawyer representing Goldman's Brazilian family, Sergio Tostes, the scene earlier this morning was a spectacle put on purposely by the Brazilian family. They were, Tostes said, protesting David Goldman's unwillingness to agree to their request to have the grandmother and attorney fly with Sean to the United States, and his unwillingness to agree to visitation.
 The boy, now 9, wearing a bright yellow jersey adorned with a Brazilian flag, arrived huddled between Tostes and his stepfather, Joao Paulo Lins e Silva. Slightly ahead were his grandmother and maternal uncle. There was no sign of Chiara, his 15-month-old half-sister.
 The background to the familial scene is now familiar: In 2004, Bianchi — David Goldman’s ex-wife — took Sean on vacation to her native Brazil, remarried into a wealthy, powerful family of lawyers and eventually died shortly after giving birth to Sean’s half-sister last year.
 On Thursday, that family was mobbed by an elbowing crowd of cameramen and photographers as it accompanied Sean to the consulate. "Open up space, please!" shouted Tostes.
 "You were the ones that caused this!" shouted one photographer.
 Completely true. American embassy spokeswoman Orna Blum had been urging since last night that Sean be transferred in privacy.
 Alerted that the family was planning to arrive on foot, she gave a pre-emptive press conference outside the consulate to mostly Brazilian journalists.
 "I want to confirm that the family has complete access to the building," she said. "Here in the consulate we are facilitating access, discretion and calm for the family." It was vital, she said, for Sean to have privacy during these moments.
 But Tostes said, in an exclusive interview conducted by GlobalPost for CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/23/world/main6016899.shtml) Wednesday night, that this was retribution for Goldman's intransigence on the visitation issues.
 It would have been convenient for Silvana (the grandmother) to travel to the United States, he said Wednesday night in his home. It would make the transition as smooth as possible, not just for the boy but for the benefit of David Goldman.
 Before the impasse, which occurred in a meeting between lawyers from both sides, Tostes said the families had agreed to have Sean's maternal grandmother meet Goldman, to tell him about Sean's likes and dislikes, habits, and some medical issues. He is, for example, allergic to shellfish. But that did not happen, though it is unclear whether they discussed these issues inside the consulate.
 The media circus was a plan, Tostes said, to combat what he said would be a hero's welcome for Sean when he arrived in the United States. He wished to have a farewell in front of everyone seen on the front page in papers in the U.S. and all over the world.
 He may have succeeded.

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ALSO THIS EARLIER Seth Kugal article with some comments from brasileiros and others:

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/brazil/091218/sean-goldman-custody-battle

Brazil: More sympathy for David Goldman? (http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/brazil/091218/sean-goldman-custody-battle)


The tide of public opinion in the Sean Goldman custody battle may be shifting.

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By Seth Kugel (http://www.globalpost.com/bio/seth-kugel) - GlobalPostPublished: December 18, 2009  19:02  ET

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil — The tide of public opinion may be shifting in Brazil, which remains as riveted as ever by the drawn-out custody battle over 9-year-old Sean Goldman, a Brazilian-American boy born in New Jersey.
 As reporters and others waited outside the Marriott Hotel across from Copacabana beach for Sean's father, David Goldman, to come out and discuss new developments in the case, a man named Nilton Silva came out of nowhere and introduced himself to U.S. Rep. Chris Smith (R-N.J.), who has been helping Goldman with his legal battle.
 “Sir,” said Silva, a silver-haired 55-year-old man, “I’m Brazilian and I’m totally in favor that he take his son back to America.”
 Silva stuck around as Goldman, of Tinton Falls, N.J., came out and joined the press scrum, pushing in like a veteran to reiterate for Goldman what he had told Smith. Silva is one of the more passionate of an increasing number of Brazilians who seem to be taking the father’s side in the five-year battle over who Sean will live with.
 The details are by now familiar: In 2004, Goldman’s ex-wife Bruna Bianchi took Sean on vacation to her native Brazil, did not return, remarried into a wealthy, powerful family of lawyers and eventually died shortly after giving birth to Sean’s half-sister last year.
 That’s when the story started grabbing headlines both here and in the United States. Americans seemed united behind Goldman, but Brazilians were split over whether Sean should stay with his stepfather, Joao Paulo Lins e Silva, his half-sister Chiara and maternal grandparents in Rio de Janeiro, or be returned to his father in New Jersey. Some felt that that the paternal blood ties should be supreme; others that the child was better off with the family he knew in Brazil. Few took the American view that Brazil was harboring kidnappers.
 But when the case made news again this week — first, a 3-0 decision by a federal appeals court to send Sean to New Jersey, then a controversial stay of the order by a Supreme Court justice — things seemed to have shifted.  
 The shift in public opinion in Brazil is perhaps most noticeable in the online comments people are leaving in Portuguese on sites like that of Rio’s principal newspaper, O Globo.  Of thousands of comments, a large majority seem in favor of Goldman, but the odd thing is that they are not so anti-Lins e Silva as they are anti-Brazil.
 “What the Federal Supreme Court is doing to that child and his father is an embarrassment … Brazil is sponsoring international kidnapping and should be ashamed.!!” – silviakersh
 “Mr. Goldman, we ask forgiveness for our justice system, our government, our country. Here is Brazil, it doesn’t matter who is right, what matters is whom you know.” — Bebeto23
 “This decision means just one thing = dictatorship and corruption … that’s it, Brazil is showing its face for the world to see.” — Vida Bela.

When the case has hit the news before, comments were more split, with arguments on the Brazilian side often taking an anti-American tone, especially against politicans like Smith and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton who were involved in the case. But as Brazilian courts continuously came down on the side of the father, only to have their decisions overturned or delayed by legal maneuvering, people here seem to be recognizing an all-too-familiar pattern: the wealthy and well-connected getting their way.  
 Some real Brazilians with identities beyond online handles felt the same way.
 “Unfortunately, justice in Brazil is biased,” said Jose Vicente, a 69-year-old lawyer who was devouring corn porridge in the Cinelandia area of Rio de Janeiro. “The system is represented by someone with a blindfold on, who sometimes doesn’t even try to see.”
 The porridge salesman, Joison Silva Paulo, agreed. “Justice favors the rich,” he said.
 Not everyone, of course, has taken Goldman’s side. At a nearby outdoor table at the Amarelinho Bar, four service workers and a Franciscan priest relaxed with beers after work. They had a more diverse set of opinions on the issue.
 “He’s got a father,” said Juliana Feitosa, 32.
 “So he should go with the father,” said Rayane Miranda, 26.
 “The child should decide,” said Rodrigo Vale Silva, 21.
 The priest, Father James Girardi, stayed on the fence, feeling there must be a way to work out joint custody. Only 54-year-old Ruth Ferreira de Matos wasn’t sure. But her decision-making process spoke volumes about Brazilian society.  
 “I think he should stay with the father,” she said. “The father will be able to give him everything. The family here is poor, right? No? They’re rich? Well, then I need to give it some more thought.”
 As he spoke to the mostly Brazilian reporters outside his hotel, Goldman himself acknowledged the growing number of Brazilians on his side. “I thank all of the Brazilian citizens who see the right of a parent and a child,” he said. “It’s not a difficult thing to imagine. Sean is my family, Sean is my son. I’m his dad. Not ‘he’s Brazilian,’ not ‘he’s American,’ not ‘he’s from anywhere.’ He’s my son.”
 Sergio Tostes, the Brazilian family’s lawyer, did not return calls to his cell phone and office.
 Plenty of Brazilians still want Sean to stay put. But Goldman’s uphill battle against an intimidating legal system and an opponent that knows it inside and out has struck a chord. Or, as an O Globo website commenter called AndreThomazFilho put it:
 “It’s impressive how the Lins e Silva family achieved an almost unheard of feat in this country: it united the great majority of the Brazilian population in favor of an American! Who would have thought?”
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JonathanR on December 27, 2009, 02:53:55 AM
Newest article from brazzil.com
 
http://www.brazzil.com/component/content/article/211-december-2009/10317-role-reversal-david-goldman-versus-goliath-brazil.html
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: faeryquene on December 27, 2009, 03:40:01 AM
@Shar - Thanks for the heads up! I can't wait-and I too hope they feature other children who have been kidnapped to Brazil and around the world.
 
Quote from: gr8one;60914
that article is just..wow. Silvana is truly a sick woman

ITA. I wish I had not read that interview with her and Luca. There is something desperately wrong with those people.
 
Imo as a requirement for POSSIBLE visitation in future the adults in that WHOLE clan should have Court-ordered psychiatric evaluations followed up by some serious group, and individual counseling sessions.
And a good collective a$$ whoopin' wouldn't do them any harm :beatin:-might shake the cobwebs loose in their brains and they can finally do some serious thinking.
 
I'm just saying.:nixweiss:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JonathanR on December 27, 2009, 04:08:48 AM
Quote from: faeryquene;61065
@Shar - Thanks for the heads up! I can't wait-and I too hope they feature other children who have been kidnapped to Brazil and around the world.
 
 
 
ITA. I wish I had not read that interview with her and Luca. There is something desperately wrong with those people.
 
Imo as a requirement for POSSIBLE visitation in future the adults in that WHOLE clan should have Court-ordered psychiatric evaluations followed up by some serious group, and individual counseling sessions.
And a good collective a$$ whoopin' wouldn't do them any harm :beatin:-might shake the cobwebs loose in their brains and they can finally do some serious thinking.
 
I'm just saying.:nixweiss:

 
Margaret - your style is crass and blunt..........I like it. ;)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: faeryquene on December 27, 2009, 06:03:33 AM
Quote from: JonathanR;61066
Margaret - your style is crass and blunt..........I like it. ;)

Sorry-I'm from Philly, and I'm an American of Cuban/French/German descent. Basically I think with my heart, I talk loud, I'm passionate, I can't shut up and you don't want to get a fair skinned latina, franca, alemana pi$$ed off!:cloud:
 
Also I was separated from my dad from the age of 3 to 17 (due to entirely different circumstances from Sean and David) but there it is and cases such as this just burn me up-people like Sean's late mother and maternal relatives, as well as totalitarian governments can tear families apart-I see footage of families in countries like North and South Korea who have not seen each other in over 50 years due to politics and war-but where there is life there remains hope of a renewal. I had to get to know my dad when I was nearly a young woman-I love him, and we have a great relationship but it's different from that of my baby sister's who is 18 years my junior. She calls him 'Daddy'. I call him 'Papa'. Daddy would just feel too weird. Revolutions can do that to families.
 
Sean has the gift of childhood on his side. :) He'll be just fine with the support of his loving Daddy, Pop Pop and Grandma, and all his Goldman relations.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Luiza on December 27, 2009, 01:41:01 PM
Congressman Smith is on Fox now.  I have to say Fox has had excellent coverage about David and Sean all along.  He is now talking about his bill.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: shaine on December 27, 2009, 01:44:15 PM
MSNBC article:
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34601024/ns/today-today_people/
 

Sean speaks about having to get snow clothing. ;)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: André Felipe on December 27, 2009, 02:30:14 PM
Conjur published another awesome article written by the federal judge Roberto Wanderley Nogueira.
 
http://www.conjur.com.br/2009-dez-27/decisao-levou-sean-aos-eua-obedece-principio-juiz-natural
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: gr8one on December 27, 2009, 03:38:41 PM
Quote from: JonathanR;61062
Newest article from brazzil.com
 
http://www.brazzil.com/component/content/article/211-december-2009/10317-role-reversal-david-goldman-versus-goliath-brazil.html

Thanks for the heads up about that article.  Very interesting
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Julya on December 27, 2009, 04:22:54 PM
"The media circus was a plan, Tostes said, to combat what he said would be a hero's welcome for Sean when he arrived in the United States. He wished to have a farewell in front of everyone seen on the front page in papers in the U.S. and all over the world.
He may have succeeded. "
 
 
How such a lier Tostes is, he was telling in the Brazilian media they did not receive any offer for privacy during the handover, why he did not say the real true, the plan that they had? how abusive they treated this child!:mad2:
 
David you saved your son, he is in a peace away from those crazy selfish people! Thank GOD!!! You and your son will be sooooooooo happy, God is blessing you and him, I am so happy for both of you.:):):clapping::clapping:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Audax on December 27, 2009, 06:55:43 PM
Quote from: Luiza;61206
Congressman Smith is on Fox now.  I have to say Fox has had excellent coverage about David and Sean all along.  He is now talking about his bill.

Darn, missed it. Found the link

http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/28109851/case-closed.htm#q=chris+smith+bill
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Rio Gringa on December 27, 2009, 07:27:46 PM
This isn't media exactly, but Brazil's biggest comedy blogger made fun of Nivea Stelmann, who blogged about Sean yet again.

http://kibeloco.com.br/kibeloco/2009/12/27/noticias-que-vao-mudar-o-mundo-parte-442/

The best part is when he says:

"Como é que o presidente do Supremo Tribunal Federal do Brasil toma uma decisão dessas sem antes consultar a Nívea Stelmann, gente? Francamente, viu? Por isso que esse país não vai para frente."

How is it possible that the President of Brazil's Supreme Court made such an important decision without consulting Nivea Stelmann first? Jeez, come on. That's why this country isn't going anywhere.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Julya on December 27, 2009, 07:30:11 PM
ahahahahahhahahahahhahah ahahhahaha:D:D:D:D:D
 
Quote from: Rio Gringa;61311
This isn't media exactly, but Brazil's biggest comedy blogger made fun of Nivea Stelmann, who blogged about Sean yet again.
 
http://kibeloco.com.br/kibeloco/2009/12/27/noticias-que-vao-mudar-o-mundo-parte-442/
 
The best part is when he says:
 
"Como é que o presidente do Supremo Tribunal Federal do Brasil toma uma decisão dessas sem antes consultar a Nívea Stelmann, gente? Francamente, viu? Por isso que esse país não vai para frente."
 
How is it possible that the President of Brazil's Supreme Court made such an important decision without consulting Nivea Stelmann first? Jeez, come on. That's why this country isn't going anywhere.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: mfer on December 27, 2009, 07:32:36 PM
Quote from: Rio Gringa;61311
How is it possible that the President of Brazil's Supreme Court made such an important decision without consulting Nivea Stelmann first? Jeez, come on. That's why this country isn't going anywhere.

ROFLMAO!!! :hihi::hihi::hihi:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Firebird on December 27, 2009, 07:34:30 PM
Next: JPLS is giving an exclusive at FANTASTICO (Sunday night show at Globo)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Rio Gringa on December 27, 2009, 07:35:39 PM
Quote from: Firebird;61315
Next: JPLS is giving an exclusive at FANTASTICO (Sunday night show at Globo)

Not sure I can stomach that.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: heatheram29 on December 27, 2009, 07:35:44 PM
Forgive me if someone's posted this already, but has anyone been following Eduardo's blog?
 
http://oglobo.globo.com/blogs/brasilcomz/default.asp
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/BV.aspx?ref=IE8Activity&a=http%3A%2F%2Foglobo.globo.com%2Fblogs%2Fbrasilcomz%2Fdefault.asp
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Firebird on December 27, 2009, 07:37:25 PM
Quote from: Firebird;61315
Next: JPLS is giving an exclusive at FANTASTICO (Sunday night show at Globo)

NOW ON AIR
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Rio Gringa on December 27, 2009, 07:37:27 PM
Quote from: heatheram29;61317
Forgive me if someone's posted this already, but has anyone been following Eduardo's blog?
 
http://oglobo.globo.com/blogs/brasilcomz/default.asp
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/BV.aspx?ref=IE8Activity&a=http%3A%2F%2Foglobo.globo.com%2Fblogs%2Fbrasilcomz%2Fdefault.asp

His coverage has been fantastic, as usual, and completely comprehensive.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: lovellboys on December 27, 2009, 07:37:53 PM
Quote from: Firebird;61315
Next: JPLS is giving an exclusive at FANTASTICO (Sunday night show at Globo)


Do we think there is even a remote possibility that he will try and salvage his reputation by doing the right thing and shutting Sylvana up?  

Ok - now that I am reading what I wrote I feel a little silly, but still.....
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Firebird on December 27, 2009, 07:40:36 PM
Quote from: Firebird;61318
NOW ON AIR

The article started with a live coverage from David's place in NJ

It went on to brief the case.

David shows Sean's room (as it used to be)

Now the JPLS interview...
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Firebird on December 27, 2009, 07:43:40 PM
Quote from: Firebird;61321
The article started with a live coverage from David's place in NJ

It went on to brief the case.

David shows Sean's room (as it used to be)

Now the JPLS interview...

(he's wearing a sport shirt, PUMA, blue)

----

He sez he was cautious in building up the relationship with the kid,

(then went on to plenty of BS - some David bashing)

On how the whole process was painful on Sean

That he's going to try see the boy in the US

(...)

Well, nothing really new.

---

The "reportagem" goes on to show other cases.

Not a "technical" piece.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: siajeannie on December 27, 2009, 08:29:24 PM
I am going to watch it now.

http://fantastico.globo.com/Jornalismo/FANT/0,,MUL1427621-15605,00.html

Side-effects: Be careful, this video might make you vomit, increase your heart pressure and or make you faint. :upck:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Rio Gringa on December 27, 2009, 08:40:31 PM
Something is going on when the grandmother gives the exclusive interview to Record and just JPLeS gets on Fantastico. They have given most if not all exclusive access to Globo in the past.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: siajeannie on December 27, 2009, 08:49:46 PM
Quote from: Rio Gringa;61334
Something is going on when the grandmother gives the exclusive interview to Record and just JPLeS gets on Fantastico. They have given most if not all exclusive access to Globo in the past.
It could be that people are tired of looking at her "poor me" face. They are running out of options... :shooter:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: FC_Florida on December 27, 2009, 09:02:28 PM
Quote from: siajeannie;61330
I am going to watch it now.

http://fantastico.globo.com/Jornalismo/FANT/0,,MUL1427621-15605,00.html

Side-effects: Be careful, this video might make you vomit, increase your heart pressure and or make you faint. :upck:


Saudacoes, Siajeannie,

Thanks for posting JPLS's Fantastico interview link. I live in the US, GLobo Internacional delays the programming. I was going to watch it later - I'm recording the whole program - but you know what? I don't even need to watch it now that I read the transcript of the interview. It's all the same BS anyway. Just read what the grandmother Silvana says at the end of the interview:

A avó, Silvana Bianchi, vai lutar para ver o neto com esperança de ter Sean perto dela, aqui no Brasil. “O quarto dele vai ficar como está. Até que ele volte. Naturalmente, depois, a gente muda alguma coisa, porque as coisas vão ficando defasadas, roupas vão ficando defasadas, livros vão ficando defasados, a televisão vai ficar defasada, mas depois isso tudo a gente refaz. Mas o lugar dele está sempre lá”, disse a avó.

So-so translation on the fly for those who are interested to know what I'm reffering to and who don't speak portuguese:

The grandmother, Silvana Bianchi is going to fight to see her grandson with hopes to have him living close to her in Brazil. "His bedroom will stay the way it is, until he comes back. Naturally, we'll change a few things because (things)will become obsolete, clothes become obsolete, books become obsolete, the TV will become obsolete; we can all replace that. But his place will always be there", said the grandmother.


Love is irreplaceable, Silvana, as well as those 5 years lost from which Sean spent without his father.

To them, the well-being of their grandson/stepson is directly related to material possessions... rearranging furniture, buying the latest TV....that's all what they can relate to, that's all they care about. $$$$. Thankfully, Sean is far away from that... getting REAL and unconditional LOVE from his DAD!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Rio Gringa on December 27, 2009, 09:05:33 PM
Quote from: FC_Florida;61339
Saudacoes, Siajeannie,

Thanks for posting JPLS's Fantastico interview link. I live in the US, GLobo Internacional delays the programming. I was going to watch it later - I'm recording the whole program - but you know what? I don't even need to watch it now that I read the transcript of the interview. It's all the same BS anyway. Just read what the grandmother Silvana says at the end of the interview:

A avó, Silvana Bianchi, vai lutar para ver o neto com esperança de ter Sean perto dela, aqui no Brasil. “O quarto dele vai ficar como está. Até que ele volte. Naturalmente, depois, a gente muda alguma coisa, porque as coisas vão ficando defasadas, roupas vão ficando defasadas, livros vão ficando defasados, a televisão vai ficar defasada, mas depois isso tudo a gente refaz. Mas o lugar dele está sempre lá”, disse a avó.

So-so translation on the fly for those who are interested to know what I'm reffering to and who don't speak portuguese:

The grandmother, Silvana Bianchi is going to fight to see her grandson with hopes to have him living close to her in Brazil. "His bedroom will stay the way it is, until he comes back. Naturally, we'll change a few things because (things)will become obsolete, clothes become obsolete, books become obsolete, the TV will become obsolete; we can all replace that. But his place will always be there", said the grandmother.


Love is irreplaceable, Silvana, as well as those 5 years lost from which Sean spent without his father.

To them, the well-being of their grandson/stepson is directly related to material possessions... rearranging furniture, buying the latest TV....that's all what they can relate to, that's all they care about. $$$$. Thankfully, Sean is far away from that... getting REAL and unconditional LOVE from his DAD!

Very observant. That's sad. :/

Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: siajeannie on December 27, 2009, 09:13:05 PM
Quote from: FC_Florida;61339
Saudacoes, Siajeannie,

Thanks for posting JPLS's Fantastico interview link. I live in the US, GLobo Internacional delays the programming. I was going to watch it later - I'm recording the whole program - but you know what? I don't even need to watch it now that I read the transcript of the interview. It's all the same BS anyway. Just read what the grandmother Silvana says at the end of the interview:

A avó, Silvana Bianchi, vai lutar para ver o neto com esperança de ter Sean perto dela, aqui no Brasil. “O quarto dele vai ficar como está. Até que ele volte. Naturalmente, depois, a gente muda alguma coisa, porque as coisas vão ficando defasadas, roupas vão ficando defasadas, livros vão ficando defasados, a televisão vai ficar defasada, mas depois isso tudo a gente refaz. Mas o lugar dele está sempre lá”, disse a avó.

So-so translation on the fly for those who are interested to know what I'm reffering to and who don't speak portuguese:

The grandmother, Silvana Bianchi is going to fight to see her grandson with hopes to have him living close to her in Brazil. "His bedroom will stay the way it is, until he comes back. Naturally, we'll change a few things because (things)will become obsolete, clothes become obsolete, books become obsolete, the TV will become obsolete; we can all replace that. But his place will always be there", said the grandmother.


Love is irreplaceable, Silvana, as well as those 5 years lost from which Sean spent without his father.

To them, the well-being of their grandson/stepson is directly related to material possessions... rearranging furniture, buying the latest TV....that's all what they can relate to, that's all they care about. $$$$. Thankfully, Sean is far away from that... getting REAL and unconditional LOVE from his DAD!

You know what is the biggest irony of all... ? That is usually the American society the one blamed for putting material possessions first. Brazilians, in general, have a great time without much money and have the family values in the right place. Or so, it seems to be, in the big majority of times.

However, this upper class from Rio, these disgraceful socialites, emulates the worst of consumerism culture and it just shows how much it is their fault that corruption, poverty and violence and injustice happen to this day in Brazil.

Shame on them, all of them!!!

By the way, I think you are on Twitter, right? I am brazilinyc or latinwriter

Best,
Simone
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: FC_Florida on December 27, 2009, 09:20:39 PM
Quote from: siajeannie;61347
You know what is the biggest irony of all... ? That is usually the American society the one blamed for putting material possessions first. Brazilians, in general, have a great time without much money and have the family values in the right place. Or so, it seems to be, in the big majority of times.

However, this upper class from Rio, these disgraceful socialites, emulates the worst of consumerism culture and it just shows how much it is their fault that corruption, poverty and violence and injustice happen to this day in Brazil.

Shame on them, all of them!!!

By the way, I think you are on Twitter, right? I am brazilinyc or latinwriter

Best,
Simone


Couldn't have said it better!
So, is that you, brazilinyc? Of course I am on twitter and I think we've tweeted (is that right?) each other, hehehe....

Greetings from SunnyIslander!
:cool:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: siajeannie on December 27, 2009, 09:23:41 PM
Quote from: FC_Florida;61349
Couldn't have said it better!
So, is that you, brazilinyc? Of course I am on twitter and I think we've tweeted (is that right?) each other, hehehe....

Greetings from SunnyIslander!
:cool:

Oh yeah, definitely! :doh:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Sashia on December 27, 2009, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: André Felipe;61218
Conjur published another awesome article written by the federal judge Roberto Wanderley Nogueira.
 
http://www.conjur.com.br/2009-dez-27/decisao-levou-sean-aos-eua-obedece-principio-juiz-natural

This was a wonderful article.I wanted to leave a comment in my broken and sometimes "incomprehensible portugues" but I have to have a CPF? number in order to leave a comment. I don't even know what a CPF number is, lol.  I really like Judge Nogueira. I sent him an email in regards to one of his articles, back some months ago. He was kind enough to respond by email encouraging me (us) to continue to fight for justice.
Judge Roberto Wanderly Nogueira:hug:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: FC_Florida on December 27, 2009, 09:36:42 PM
Quote from: Sashia;61353
This was a wonderful article.I wanted to leave a comment in my broken and sometimes "incomprehensible portugues" but I have to have a CPF? number in order to leave a comment. I don't even know what a CPF number is, lol.  I really like Judge Nogueira. I sent him an email in regards to one of his articles, back some months ago. He was kind enough to respond by email encouraging me (us) to continue to fight for justice.
Judge Roberto Wanderly Nogueira:hug:

Sashia, don't you worry about your "incomprehensible portugues" because what matters is that you are taking the time and effort into such a wonderful cause. So keep using google or babelfish or if you need help I'll translate for you. You go girl! :)
Btw, having to register using a CPF number (its one of the 2 ID number's that a Brazilian citizen has - go figure) is another Brazilian way of making things dificult when it shouldn't.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Sashia on December 27, 2009, 09:48:11 PM
Quote from: FC_Florida;61339

Love is irreplaceable, Silvana, as well as those 5 years lost from which Sean spent without his father.
 
To them, the well-being of their grandson/stepson is directly related to material possessions... rearranging furniture, buying the latest TV....that's all what they can relate to, that's all they care about. $$$$. Thankfully, Sean is far away from that... getting REAL and unconditional LOVE from his DAD!
No wonder Bruna found it inconceivable that David could shower so much love on Sean. Remember her complaints that he cares too much for the boy and not enough for her?...She must have grown up with all the "things", but just an obsessive "ownership" kind of love.
Thanks FC for the linguistc vote of confidence.:D
Title: Bom dia Brasil/Dec 28th - Everything is ready to welcome SEAN!
Post by: Claudia.Hope on December 28, 2009, 12:18:30 PM
http://g1.globo.com/bomdiabrasil/0,,MUL1427907-16020,00-FAMILIA+E+AMIGOS+PREPARAM+RECEPCAO+PARA+O+MENINO+SEAN+NOS+EUA.html
 
Family and friends prepare for the reception boy Sean in the U.S.

The child returned to the country by order of the Supreme Court. House where Sean will live in New Jersey, was flagged by the neighbors.
 
The boy Sean Goldman returned to the United States by order of the Supreme Court last week. Correspondents TV Globo went to the place where he will live in New Jersey.

The house was adorned by the neighbors. The residence of David Goldman is the same where Sean lived four years before being brought to Brazil with her mother. It is in an almost motionless. The neighbors do what they can to help David in the back of Sean to the United States.

A family friend said that at the request of Goldman, bought a jacket for the boy spent the first days of winter. She said that David, by telephone, said that Sean is having a great time in Florida. In images of the U.S. television network NBC, Sean, the father, grandparents and cousins play basketball in a hotel room in Orlando.

In March this year, Globo had access to the interior of the house. Sean's room was still decorated with the same toys at the time he was taken to Brazil. In the closet, David showed the clothes and shoes of the child, too small for the boy who is now 9 years. In the garden, David has shown, proud, the pool and river in the back.

The house of David was all decorated by neighbors with Christmas lights. In interviews, David has said that his main concern is with the adaptation of Sean is quiet in the United States. To this he said that the child will need psychological counseling and, if necessary, a tutor to help you going forward with the English classes.

Through the window you can see what friends prepared for the new life of David and Sean
Title: How it SHOULD have been - In Simple Terms
Post by: Kerry on December 28, 2009, 12:21:50 PM
                  The Prompt Recovery of a Child Under the Hague Convention
 Failed in Brazil


                                                                                                     
 SEATTLE, Dec. 28 /PRNewswire/ -- When David Goldman applied for the return of his son from Brazil under the Hague Convention for Abducted Children he surely could not have imagined the five-year ordeal that would unfold.

On December 23, 2009, two days before Christmas, a federal court in Rio ordered the stepfamily to return Sean Goldman to his father by 9:00 a.m. The stepfamily says that they will no longer fight and it looks like Sean Goldman will finally be returned to his only living parent.

The Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction provides for the prompt return of children. Under article 11, if a court decision is not made within six weeks, the court can be required to explain the delay.

In the case of Sean Goldman, the mother flew to Brazil in 2004 for what was to be a two-week vacation. She then announced to father, David Goldman, that she would be getting a divorce and would not be returning. In a strange twist, the mother died in childbirth and Sean Goldman was left in the care of his stepfather, who refused to return custody to David Goldman.

According to court records, David Goldman filed his application for the return of his son within 50 days of being informed that he would not return. The courts in Brazil did not finally determine the matter until five years later.

Mark Gouras, an attorney with the law firm of Gouras & Amis P.L.L.C. is an expert in the area of international child abductions. Mr. Gouras says, "It is not supposed to be this way under the Hague Convention.
The whole point of the Hague Convention is to quickly determine which jurisdiction is the habitual residence and to promptly return that child to that jurisdiction."

The Hague Convention specifically states that it is not supposed to be a custody battle.

What happened to Mr. Goldman is the exact opposite of what should have happened under the Hague Convention.

"While the child will ultimately be returned, I can only describe the process of returning this child under the Hague Convention to be a failure"

Brazil became a signatory to the Hague Convention on Parental Abductions on December 1, 2003.
In the U.S. State Department's April, 2009 Compliance Report to Congress, Brazil is listed as one of seven countries that are not in compliance with the Hague Convention.

"The Hague Convention has been a tremendous tool in the recovery of children abducted by one of the parents, but the whole system envisioned by the treaty breaks down if the court won't promptly return the child," according to Mr. Gouras.
Title: Re: How it SHOULD have been - In Simple Terms
Post by: Caldwell on December 28, 2009, 12:30:59 PM
Which is why we so badly need to pass HR 3240.  Currently, the Hague Convention relies on voluntary compliance by signatory nations.  This case, and the performance of Brazil in general (as well as a number of other non-compliant nations) highlights the need for enforceable consequences.  In addition to non-compliant Hague signatory nations, there are a number of nations (such as Japan) who have still refused to even go through the motions of signing the Convention, and HR 3240 will give our government valuable tools to address their non-cooperation.
Title: Re: How it SHOULD have been - In Simple Terms
Post by: ProudDaddy on December 28, 2009, 12:54:32 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;61592
Which is why we so badly need to pass HR 3240.  Currently, the Hague Convention relies on voluntary compliance by signatory nations.  This case, and the performance of Brazil in general (as well as a number of other non-compliant nations) highlights the need for enforceable consequences.  In addition to non-compliant Hague signatory nations, there are a number of nations (such as Japan) who have still refused to even go through the motions of signing the Convention, and HR 3240 will give our government valuable tools to address their non-cooperation.
Japan is a special  case that makes me think that HR3240 still needs some tweaking. Economic  sanctions won't work against Japan, as they are swimming in money. In fact a  full economic confrontation with Japan (yet highly improbable) could backfire as  Japan is crucial to keep the US dollar floating and they keep buying US treasury  bonds. Overall they are much more reliable as trade & strategic partners  than, say, China. So what else HR3240 could do to convince the Japanese to sign  the Hague Convention and stick to it?
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 28, 2009, 12:58:57 PM
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Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Claudia.Hope on December 28, 2009, 02:16:20 PM
http://colunas.epoca.globo.com/paulomoreiraleite/#post-1903
 
I loved this article...
 
 
Batalha perdida (http://colunas.epoca.globo.com/paulomoreiraleite/2009/12/28/batalha-perdida/)


seg, 28/12/09
por Paulo Moreira Leite |
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Os jornais contam que David Goldman, pai de Sean, promete autorizar visitas da família da mãe do menino, em breve. Acho ótimo. Estamos falando de um drama humano que envolve afeto e relações familiares um tanto sui generis, típicas de nosso tempo — e é assim que a vida é.
E como nós sabemos que a vida não é fácil, muito menos para quem já enfrentou tanto sofrimento antes de completar dez anos de idade, acho que, neste momento, a melhor atitude a tomar é deixar Sean em paz com o pai — e reestabelecer laços com a família brasileira na medida em que isso for considerado conveniente por quem tem direito a dar opinião sobre o caso.
Todo esforço das famílias para discutir o assunto através dos jornais me parece contraproducente.
Só acho que as pessoas precisam prestar atenção num aspecto do problema vivido pelo garoto e seu pai. Nós sabemos que, pela legislação internacional, Sean Goldman foi vítima de um sequestro. Por mais que essa palavra seja um tanto forte, é isso que diz a lei.
Na verdade, eu não tinha percebido que ocorreram dois sequestros — e não um.  No primeiro, foi a mãe que deixou os EUA e decidiu não voltar mais — avisando ao marido, pelo telefone, que ia retornar ao Brasil e que decidira ficar com a criança.
Só essa atitude já é um absurdo. Se você tem alguma dúvida, coloque-se no lugar do cônjuge que foi o último a saber da decisão. Se a dúvida persistir, coloque-se no lugar da criança, alvo de uma disputa selvagem desse tipo.
A questão é que, quatro anos depois, a mãe do menino morreu. Seria uma ótima oportunidade para devolver a criança ao pai, não é mesmo? Não foi.
Num passo especialmente ousado, a família da mãe ainda tentou ficar com o menino. Renovou-se, então, o sequestro, que durou mais um ano. Não era mais um sequestro cometido pela mãe, relativamente comum em casos do gênero. Ela já não estava mais presente para decidir o que fazer. Era um sequestro em que sua família decidiu pagar para ver.
Mas é claro que uma coisa é você deixar um garoto com a mãe, ainda que à revelia do pai. (A quase unanimidade dos psicológos concorda que, em caso de impasse, a presença da mãe é mais relevante que a do pai).
A situação muda de figura quando se discute a possibilidade de entregar o menino ao padrasto, ao tio, à avó — contra a vontade do pai. A família poderia ter devolvido o menino neste momento, quando parecia claro que, até do ponto de vista da psicologia mais elementar, o pleito perdera bastante legitimidade.
Claro que há um oceano de razões afetivas por trás disso. (Também há um oceano afetivo nas motivações do pai, embora pouco se fale sobre elas).
Mas eu acho que, ao insistir em privar a criança nessas condições a família da mãe de Sean entrou numa batalha perdida desde o início.
O que você acha?
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Claudia.Hope on December 28, 2009, 02:22:37 PM
New rules for travel of children abroad. (Travel authorization for minor has changed).
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28/12/09 - 12h33 - Atualizado em 28/12/09 - 13h13
 
Conheça as novas regras para viagens de crianças e adolescentes ao exterior
 
Agora para que uma criança ou adolescente saia do Brasil, os pais ou responsáveis devem comparecer pessoalmente ao cartório para assinar a autorização de viagem.
 
 
 

Tamanho da letra
A mudança foi introduzida pela Resolução nº 74 de CNJ, de abril deste ano, que será fixada nos cartórios de todo o Brasil, segundo pedido da Corregedoria. Agora para que uma criança ou adolescente saia do Brasil, os pais ou responsáveis devem comparecer pessoalmente ao cartório para assinar a autorização de viagem, pois o documento deve ser reconhecido por autenticidade (pessoalmente) e não mais por semelhança.
 
Para dar maior visibilidade à resolução no exterior, a Corregedoria também enviou uma solicitação à Divisão das Comunidades Brasileiras no Exterior do Ministério das Relações Exteriores (MRE) pedindo a divulgação das normas para a emissão do documento que autoriza a saída de menores do Brasil. A Corregedoria solicita que o MRE informe sobre as novas exigências as associações e organizações de brasileiros no exterior, cadastradas no portal do ministério "Brasileiros no Mundo".
 
O objetivo é fazer com que brasileiros que moram em outros países também fiquem cientes das mudanças, e providenciem o documento para evitar problemas nos casos em que crianças e adolescentes precisarem sair do território brasileiro.
 
Além de ter a firma reconhecida, o documento de autorização deverá conter uma fotografia da criança ou adolescente e ser apresentado em duas vias. Sendo assim, uma das vias ficará com o agente de fiscalização da Polícia Federal no momento do embarque - acrescido de cópia do documento de identificação da criança ou adolescente, ou do termo de guarda ou de tutela. A outra via do documento de autorização deverá permanecer com a criança ou adolescente ou, ainda, com o adulto maior e capaz que o acompanhe na viagem. Além disso, o referido documento deverá ter prazo de validade, a ser fixado pelos pais ou responsáveis.
 
Fonte: Conselho Regional de Justiça (http://www.cnj.jus.br/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9663:cartorios-vao-divulgar-as-novas-regras-para-viagens-de-criancas-e-adolescentes-ao-exterior&catid=1:notas&Itemid=169)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Rio Gringa on December 28, 2009, 02:24:12 PM
Just to summarize:

He points out that there were two abductions and that the Brazilian family should wait until Sean is settled to visit him.

Quote from: Claudia.Hope;61658
http://colunas.epoca.globo.com/paulomoreiraleite/#post-1903
 
I loved this article...
 
 
Batalha perdida (http://colunas.epoca.globo.com/paulomoreiraleite/2009/12/28/batalha-perdida/)


seg, 28/12/09
por Paulo Moreira Leite |
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Os jornais contam que David Goldman, pai de Sean, promete autorizar visitas da família da mãe do menino, em breve. Acho ótimo. Estamos falando de um drama humano que envolve afeto e relações familiares um tanto sui generis, típicas de nosso tempo — e é assim que a vida é.
E como nós sabemos que a vida não é fácil, muito menos para quem já enfrentou tanto sofrimento antes de completar dez anos de idade, acho que, neste momento, a melhor atitude a tomar é deixar Sean em paz com o pai — e reestabelecer laços com a família brasileira na medida em que isso for considerado conveniente por quem tem direito a dar opinião sobre o caso.
Todo esforço das famílias para discutir o assunto através dos jornais me parece contraproducente.
Só acho que as pessoas precisam prestar atenção num aspecto do problema vivido pelo garoto e seu pai. Nós sabemos que, pela legislação internacional, Sean Goldman foi vítima de um sequestro. Por mais que essa palavra seja um tanto forte, é isso que diz a lei.
Na verdade, eu não tinha percebido que ocorreram dois sequestros — e não um.  No primeiro, foi a mãe que deixou os EUA e decidiu não voltar mais — avisando ao marido, pelo telefone, que ia retornar ao Brasil e que decidira ficar com a criança.
Só essa atitude já é um absurdo. Se você tem alguma dúvida, coloque-se no lugar do cônjuge que foi o último a saber da decisão. Se a dúvida persistir, coloque-se no lugar da criança, alvo de uma disputa selvagem desse tipo.
A questão é que, quatro anos depois, a mãe do menino morreu. Seria uma ótima oportunidade para devolver a criança ao pai, não é mesmo? Não foi.
Num passo especialmente ousado, a família da mãe ainda tentou ficar com o menino. Renovou-se, então, o sequestro, que durou mais um ano. Não era mais um sequestro cometido pela mãe, relativamente comum em casos do gênero. Ela já não estava mais presente para decidir o que fazer. Era um sequestro em que sua família decidiu pagar para ver.
Mas é claro que uma coisa é você deixar um garoto com a mãe, ainda que à revelia do pai. (A quase unanimidade dos psicológos concorda que, em caso de impasse, a presença da mãe é mais relevante que a do pai).
A situação muda de figura quando se discute a possibilidade de entregar o menino ao padrasto, ao tio, à avó — contra a vontade do pai. A família poderia ter devolvido o menino neste momento, quando parecia claro que, até do ponto de vista da psicologia mais elementar, o pleito perdera bastante legitimidade.
Claro que há um oceano de razões afetivas por trás disso. (Também há um oceano afetivo nas motivações do pai, embora pouco se fale sobre elas).
Mas eu acho que, ao insistir em privar a criança nessas condições a família da mãe de Sean entrou numa batalha perdida desde o início.
O que você acha?
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Claudia.Hope on December 28, 2009, 02:28:12 PM
Quote from: Rio Gringa;61662
Just to summarize:
 
He points out that there were two abductions and that the Brazilian family should wait until Sean is settled to visit him.

Obrigada Rachel !
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Gaucho on December 28, 2009, 02:37:25 PM
Sean tem direitos de ver a familia de sua mãe e sua irmã.
*Sean have right to see his mother's family and his sister.

A batalha da familia da mãe pode ter até sido perdida mas David pagou um alto preço!  David foi ferido grandemente. Tanto que ficou 5 anos longe de Sean.
*The battle of the mother's family can be lost, but David paid a high price. David was heavily hurt. He was 5 years away from Sean.

I am of opinion that David deve agora descansar.
Eu to achando que ele ja deve estar cansado de tanto os reporter procurarem por ele.
Ele merece privacidade e umas felizes férias!

I am of opinion that David sould now rest.
I think also that he is tired due of so many reporters looking for him.
He deserve privacity and happy vacations.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Rio Gringa on December 28, 2009, 04:34:49 PM
Reinaldo Azevedo hits another one out of the park!

http://veja.abril.com.br/blog/reinaldo/geral/eu-quero-que-a-massa-se-dane/

He is really fired up today!

For the non-Portuguese speakers, he spent some time discussing a separate case but he basically says that public opinion has absolutely no standing in terms of the law, and that he has been disgusted by those who see the law as something flexible.
Title: Re: How it SHOULD have been - In Simple Terms
Post by: André Felipe on December 28, 2009, 04:37:41 PM
Quote from: Caldwell;61592
Which is why we so badly need to pass HR 3240. Currently, the Hague Convention relies on voluntary compliance by signatory nations. This case, and the performance of Brazil in general (as well as a number of other non-compliant nations) highlights the need for enforceable consequences. In addition to non-compliant Hague signatory nations, there are a number of nations (such as Japan) who have still refused to even go through the motions of signing the Convention, and HR 3240 will give our government valuable tools to address their non-cooperation.

Quote from: ProudDaddy;61609
Japan is a special case that makes me think that HR3240 still needs some tweaking. Economic sanctions won't work against Japan, as they are swimming in money. In fact a full economic confrontation with Japan (yet highly improbable) could backfire as Japan is crucial to keep the US dollar floating and they keep buying US treasury bonds. Overall they are much more reliable as trade & strategic partners than, say, China. So what else HR3240 could do to convince the Japanese to sign the Hague Convention and stick to it?

You must be prepared because it's a very delicate issue.
I only had a few lessons about International Law, but the few that I learned I realised that International Law and International Treaties, the whole idea, was not conceived to have teeth, i.e., any kind of sanction, it is all based on willingness and reciprocity.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: FC_Florida on December 28, 2009, 05:07:03 PM
Quote from: Claudia.Hope;61661
New rules for travel of children abroad. (Travel authorization for minor has changed).
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Conheça as novas regras para viagens de crianças e adolescentes ao exterior
 
Agora para que uma criança ou adolescente saia do Brasil, os pais ou responsáveis devem comparecer pessoalmente ao cartório para assinar a autorização de viagem.
 
 
 

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A mudança foi introduzida pela Resolução nº 74 de CNJ, de abril deste ano, que será fixada nos cartórios de todo o Brasil, segundo pedido da Corregedoria. Agora para que uma criança ou adolescente saia do Brasil, os pais ou responsáveis devem comparecer pessoalmente ao cartório para assinar a autorização de viagem, pois o documento deve ser reconhecido por autenticidade (pessoalmente) e não mais por semelhança.
 
Para dar maior visibilidade à resolução no exterior, a Corregedoria também enviou uma solicitação à Divisão das Comunidades Brasileiras no Exterior do Ministério das Relações Exteriores (MRE) pedindo a divulgação das normas para a emissão do documento que autoriza a saída de menores do Brasil. A Corregedoria solicita que o MRE informe sobre as novas exigências as associações e organizações de brasileiros no exterior, cadastradas no portal do ministério "Brasileiros no Mundo".
 
O objetivo é fazer com que brasileiros que moram em outros países também fiquem cientes das mudanças, e providenciem o documento para evitar problemas nos casos em que crianças e adolescentes precisarem sair do território brasileiro.
 
Além de ter a firma reconhecida, o documento de autorização deverá conter uma fotografia da criança ou adolescente e ser apresentado em duas vias. Sendo assim, uma das vias ficará com o agente de fiscalização da Polícia Federal no momento do embarque - acrescido de cópia do documento de identificação da criança ou adolescente, ou do termo de guarda ou de tutela. A outra via do documento de autorização deverá permanecer com a criança ou adolescente ou, ainda, com o adulto maior e capaz que o acompanhe na viagem. Além disso, o referido documento deverá ter prazo de validade, a ser fixado pelos pais ou responsáveis.
 
Fonte: Conselho Regional de Justiça (http://www.cnj.jus.br/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9663:cartorios-vao-divulgar-as-novas-regras-para-viagens-de-criancas-e-adolescentes-ao-exterior&catid=1:notas&Itemid=169)


It's great that some changes were made on the travel authorizations but still there's nothing there that would block one of the parents of the child/children from not returning to the country which they reside oversees, if they decide do to so (like Bruna did). There's no penalty, no mechanism that would kick in in the event of a parent missing their scheduled trip back. I don't have the knowledge of the current laws but there should be a 24 hour wait period for the parent to return w/ the child/children to the country of their residence, after they failed to board the plane. After that, it should be an automatic case of International Child Abduction and the proper measures would be taken from there. But what about countries like Japan that are not part of Hague? Well, I guess it's easier said then done.
Title: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Feltian on December 28, 2009, 05:27:43 PM
http://www.conjur.com.br/2009-dez-28/familia-sean-brasil-informa-entrara-recurso-stj (http://javascript:void(0);)
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: Feltian on December 28, 2009, 05:31:51 PM
PUBLIC STATEMENT

The family of Sean Bianchi Carneiro Ribeiro Goldman, by their attorneys, will clarify the following:

1 - Minister Gilmar Mendes, president of the Supreme Court (STF), granted preliminary injunction granted earlier revoked by the Minister Marco Aurelio, who suspended the determination of the Federal Regional 2 ª Região (TRF-2), that the boy, Sean be handed to the American Consulate in 48 hours.

2 - The phrase of the Minister Marco Aurelio had been granted as a measure of caution, until the 1st Panel of the Supreme Court examined the application of the grandmother that Sean had been heard in court, to express his opinion, according to the provisions of the Hague Convention and Statute of Children and Adolescents.

3 - Following the injunction of Justice Gilmar Mendes, President of TRF-2, Judge Paulo do Espirito Santo, issued summons to the family of Sean that he should be delivered at the American Consulate, located at Avenida Presidente Wilson, 147 at the latest until 9 pm on December 24, under penalty of immediate search and seizure, with the use of police force if there was resistance.

4 - The family fulfilled strict court order. Any offer of alternative means of delivery, and never have been made, even if the change could never be a judicial determination expressed.

5 - The early delivery of Sean does not end the court proceedings continue:

i-with a review by the Supreme Court of the measures at the outset, but not definitely decided by Ministers Marcus Aurelius and Gilmar Mendes, the right to be heard Sean in court. If the decision is made following the request of his grandmother, letter rogatory will be sent to the United States, where Sean is currently, so it is heard in court.

ii-with the interposition of a special appeal to the Superior Court of Justice to maintain or reform of the decision of the TRF-2.

6 - Thus, although it has been determined to advance the delivery of Sean, and this has been accomplished in the form of the decision of the Minister Gilmar Mendes on December 24, 2009, the litigation in Brazil is not over.

7 - If the higher courts will modify the decision of the TRF-2, the family trusts that will be taken by the Brazilian authorities for all measures there is the immediate return of Sean to Brazil. The family reiterated their confidence in the justice and trust that the return of Brazilian Sean occur as soon as possible.

Rio de Janeiro, December 28, 2009

Sergio Tostes
Rodrigo Dunshee de Abranches
André Hermanny Tostes
Fernanda Mendonça Figueiredo
 
 
This is a google translation
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: lovellboys on December 28, 2009, 05:32:06 PM
Quote from: Feltian;61703
http://www.conjur.com.br/2009-dez-28/familia-sean-brasil-informa-entrara-recurso-stj (http://javascript:void(0);)

Thanks for the translation, but my first thought is "Good luck with that"
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: alleycat on December 28, 2009, 05:33:38 PM
Quote from: Aida;60871
Lady get a life!!! Luca needs you to hold his hand on his way out of Brazil where he renounced his CITIZENSHIP!!!:eek:

I was reading the article.... Before i saw your post. I was wondering the same thing.  Ain't it time luca what's yer name?
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: nina on December 28, 2009, 05:34:26 PM
...speechless....!

maybe smilies will help me....

:madgo::madgo:   :mad2::mad2:

:cloud::lynchmob::ban:

:burn::burn:   :mad::mad::mad:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: alleycat on December 28, 2009, 05:35:54 PM
Quote from: jl2saint;60848
Grandmother Blasts Brazil for Selling Out Sean Goldman and Vows to Visit Him Soon
 
"Vow" all you want you ol battle axe....W/out Dave's permission, you are OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
And people wonder why we pile on her in her time of "grief"......
 
She won't stop w/ the insults. She won't stop w/ the "me, me, me"......
 
She is getting what she deserves and I for one hope she gets a lot more of it.......:nixweiss:

:yeahthat:
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: JonathanR on December 28, 2009, 05:38:07 PM
Quote from: lovellboys;61707
I'd love a translation, but my first thought is "Good luck with that"

Is this a joke? Seriously, this monster is basically asking to have his work Visa in the U.S. suspended should this get circulated.
 
We may as well have Phillip Garrido petitioning the courts to have Jaycee Duggard and her kids testify  about where they want to live.
 
I am sickened and saddened beyond words that this $hit is continuing.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: Genenut on December 28, 2009, 05:38:48 PM
What happened to no more appeals the war is over?
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: tnajk on December 28, 2009, 05:39:28 PM
WHAT!?  Those people will never stop.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: Feltian on December 28, 2009, 05:44:18 PM
I think we should contact U.S. immigration so all these devils get their visas revoked. I wouldn't doubt that they may try to do the same thing they did 5 years ago if they come to visit Sean. US does not ask for a travel authorization from the parents. Anyone can get your kid and travel abroad without a travel authorization.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: sandy on December 28, 2009, 05:44:51 PM
What the!!!!! really? hope this is a joke.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: kim in socal on December 28, 2009, 05:45:11 PM
Somebody please call the nut house and let them know where to find this guy.
I am really getting ready to flip out if this guy says one more thing!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: tnajk on December 28, 2009, 05:45:45 PM
So what are the odds here?  I mean, is this something David really needs to be concerned about??
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: Wrigleyville2 on December 28, 2009, 05:48:50 PM
Quote from: tnajk;61720
So what are the odds here?  I mean, is this something David really needs to be concerned about??

It is comical.  There is nothing here David need be concerned about...except of course as to whether visitation is safe.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: nina on December 28, 2009, 05:51:56 PM
I just found this while googling ST name...

Why not write a couple of reviews about his services?? :rolleyes:

http://www.martindale.com/Sergio-Tostes/1157533-lawyer.htm
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: lovellboys on December 28, 2009, 05:52:48 PM
Quote from: Wrigleyville2;61721
It is comical.  There is nothing here David need be concerned about...except of course as to whether visitation is safe.


We all knew they would do this.  I would still feel better hearing from Zamariola or Apy.  Better yet, the STF could just tell Tostes to bark up another tree.  That would REALLY make me happy.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: Julya on December 28, 2009, 05:55:05 PM
Quote from: JonathanR;61712
Is this a joke? Seriously, this monster is basically asking to have his work Visa in the U.S. suspended should this get circulated.
 
We may as well have Phillip Garrido petitioning the courts to have Jaycee Duggard and her kids testify about where they want to live.
 
I am sickened and saddened beyond words that this $hit is continuing.

 
I think we should try to make their visa cancelled right now!, this is INSANE!!
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: kim in socal on December 28, 2009, 05:56:23 PM
I think that this might be his only client so he is killing time waiting for the phone to ring...No one would hire this crackpot unless they are truly desperate!!!
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: noah3698 on December 28, 2009, 05:56:46 PM
I am sure now that Sean is in the U.S. it doesn't matter what the Brazilian courts decide...
 
I would like to hear from Andre on this one....
 
-Chrissy
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 28, 2009, 05:58:00 PM
Quote from: Feltian;61703
http://www.conjur.com.br/2009-dez-28/familia-sean-brasil-informa-entrara-recurso-stj (http://javascript:void(0);)

Just when you wonder what else they'll do for an encore! :clapping:
 
Two words; bite me (and those 2 words have been exchanged for the REAL version of what I'm thinkin') :D:D:D
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: sandy on December 28, 2009, 05:58:39 PM
How much more can one man take? these idiots! shame on them
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: Julya on December 28, 2009, 06:00:07 PM
As far as know The Hangue says that when the child returns Brazil has nothing to do  with this anymore, the NJ courts decides for now one.
 
But this is INSANE!!! I never saw a crazy family like this one, I am Brazilian, I know Brazilian people and I can say that it is not normal in Brazil! :cloud:
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: Eccaka on December 28, 2009, 06:05:49 PM
Sean is now back in the US where David has had legal custody of Sean for years while he has been illegally held in Brazil. This is nothing but desperate people clinging to anything they can. Don't give it more thought than it's worth
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: mgs2510 on December 28, 2009, 06:06:59 PM
http://noticias.terra.com.br/brasil/noticias/0,,OI4178324-EI306,00.html
 
The family of Sean Bianchi Carneiro Ribeiro Goldman, age 9, said on Monday that despite being given the anticipation of the delivery boy's father, the American David Goldman, the litigation will continue in Brazil.

"If higher courts will modify the decision of the TRF-2 (Federal Regional Court 2nd Region), the family trusts that will be taken by the Brazilian authorities for all measures there is the immediate return of Sean to Brazil", said the family a statement, which reiterated its confidence in the justice and believes that the return of Brazilian Sean occur as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: lovellboys on December 28, 2009, 06:11:34 PM
Quote from: mgs2510;61732
http://noticias.terra.com.br/brasil/noticias/0,,OI4178324-EI306,00.html
 
The family of Sean Bianchi Carneiro Ribeiro Goldman, age 9, said on Monday that despite being given the anticipation of the delivery boy's father, the American David Goldman, the litigation will continue in Brazil.

"If higher courts will modify the decision of the TRF-2 (Federal Regional Court 2nd Region), the family trusts that will be taken by the Brazilian authorities for all measures there is the immediate return of Sean to Brazil", said the family a statement, which reiterated its confidence in the justice and believes that the return of Brazilian Sean occur as soon as possible.


I doubt Mendes would have ruled for his immediate return had there been a hope and a prayer of the full court overturning the ruling of the TRF-2.  Now - Tostes is simply getting more of their money.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: rbenny on December 28, 2009, 06:17:49 PM
Digging there grave one shovel of dirt at a time! Tostes and Silvana are grasping at straws. You just wait I really do not think that this family has even yet shown there true colors. Nonna is a SUPER CONTROL freak, and I am sure she is telling Tostes a.k.a.("Boss Hogg/Baghdad Bob), do whatever is possible to keep fighting.

It is going to be interesting, and sad at the same time, to watch them totally make fools of themselves over the next couple of months. I would not be surprised to see these two on CBS shortly, once again trying to state there case.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: mgs2510 on December 28, 2009, 06:17:56 PM
Is it possible that USA would never return Sean even if the Brazilian Supreme Court reverse the decision? I hope it's possible.
 
And now I think David should think 1000 times before let this family have any contact with Sean.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: Roberta Palermo on December 28, 2009, 06:19:19 PM
It must be the first time they loose something. They don't stop? They won't have permission to visit the boy. zzzzzz It's so boring! Roberta Palermo
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: JonathanR on December 28, 2009, 06:20:32 PM
Quote from: Julya;61729
As far as know The Hangue says that when the child returns Brazil has nothing to do with this anymore, the NJ courts decides for now one.
 
But this is INSANE!!! I never saw a crazy family like this one, I am Brazilian, I know Brazilian people and I can say that it is not normal in Brazil! :cloud:

these people threatened to kill david. and the strange thing about it was that despite that bruna and the sea witch were back in brazil, *someone* came to david's house and left a token of their presence in the form of a lit cigarette butt.
 
tostes works here in the u.s. he has friends here. david seriously needs to take precautions regarding his and sean's safety.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: dimagu on December 28, 2009, 06:23:03 PM
That would be a big embarrasement for the country and their "supreme court". Would look like they can't make up their mind? Same supreme court in Brazil send a boy overseas and then demands him to return back? Nah not gonna happen
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: dimagu on December 28, 2009, 06:26:44 PM
Quote from: JonathanR;61737
these people threatened to kill david. and the strange thing about it was that despite that bruna and the sea witch were back in brazil, *someone* came to david's house and left a token of their presence in the form of a lit cigarette butt.
 
tostes works here in the u.s. he has friends here. david seriously needs to take precautions regarding his and sean's safety.

 
Just a bunch of thugs. If something happens to David its gonna be a big blow for Brazil right before the Olympics. Especially combined with crazy crime rate in Brazil's capital that is supposed to accept all those happy rich tourists from around the world.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: Kerry on December 28, 2009, 06:26:55 PM
As magnanimous as David has been in hugging Cruella at the Consulate when Sean was handed over, and actually suggesting/allowing their contact via phone and text already/immediately, I think he should rethink very carefully.

These people are NUTS!  They are FRUITCAKES!


Tostes has ties here to a law firm, can come over whenever he feels like it, and create havoc..............

I wouldn't put ANYTHING past this "family" (I say family loosely)

They know where David and Sean live.

Sean is going to need CONSTANT watching.

David is going to have to watch his back!



Hate to be so "cautious" ......but their safety is a huge concern, I feel!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: Genenut on December 28, 2009, 06:37:27 PM
Quote from: JonathanR;61737
these people threatened to kill david. and the strange thing about it was that despite that bruna and the sea witch were back in brazil, *someone* came to David's house and left a token of their presence in the form of a lit cigarette butt.
 
tostes works here in the u.s. he has friends here. david seriously needs to take precautions regarding his and Sean's safety.


Is there any relation between Sergio Tostes and Inspector Dos Santos Tostes who was being investigated for alleged mafia connections when he was gunned down in 2007?
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Bill33 on December 28, 2009, 06:37:35 PM
Well, those who questioned David taking a charter flight first thing out of Brazil now see he was justified in doing so.

The Brazilian family declared the war over, then went back to fighting in a matters of days.

While I think it is in Sean's best interest to have visitation with the Brazilian family, it is moves like this that would make me downright paranoid that they would re-abduct Sean given the chance.

PS:  that said, I think they'll fail miserably in Brazilian courts, and even if they don't, they'd fail in the U.S.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: BEJ_Mom on December 28, 2009, 06:40:41 PM
We knew this would happen. Why isn't the so called step-parent the one appealing this?
 
I think they are providing evidence for the US &/or NJ courts that they shouldn't be given any visitation. If I were the dark side, I would change my tune fast or look forward to never even seeing a picture of smiling Sean ever again let alone a text or visitation. I can't believe this!
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: shaine on December 28, 2009, 06:41:54 PM
Quote from: mgs2510;61735
Is it possible that USA would never return Sean even if the Brazilian Supreme Court reverse the decision? I hope it's possible.
 
And now I think David should think 1000 times before let this family have any contact with Sean.

It's not possible, he is the custodial parent. Period.
 
Quote from: Feltian;61717
I think we should contact U.S. immigration so all these devils get their visas revoked. I wouldn't doubt that they may try to do the same thing they did 5 years ago if they come to visit Sean. US does not ask for a travel authorization from the parents. Anyone can get your kid and travel abroad without a travel authorization.

 
I would hope that when they are allowed to see Sean again, that one of the requirements is to turn over their Visa's while visiting Sean. Only once the visit is over would they be given the Visa back.
And I would hope that Sean's old passport was taken, and destroyed.
And personally I would never take Sean to Brazil ever again. Don't risk them trying something on their soil.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Priss on December 28, 2009, 06:45:35 PM
I don't think there is anyway that Sean can be sent back to Brazil.  First off, in 2004 David file the Hague got sole custody of Sean and so on.  So what is the US going to say?  My bad we shouldn't have given you custody David.

The family is grasping at straws and Granny will lose all chance of seeing Sean if she keeps this unhealthy behavior going.  I don't think she will ever accept David having the God given right to raise his son and believes Sean is hers.  Unfortunately for Sean he may lose connection with her because of this.  The psychologist may, great possibility, find that Granny being involve in Sean life will be more harmful.  I'm no psychologist just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Packman on December 28, 2009, 06:49:15 PM
My read is that Tostes is trying to cover his behind, being the first Brazilian lawyer to lose such a case can't be good for business.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: JamesJosephs on December 28, 2009, 06:51:33 PM
I think this is much to do about nothing.
 
First of all, there is little to no chance of the TRF-2 ruling being overturned.
 
Second, there is no chance of the Brazilian Supreme Court remanding the case back to the Rio federal trial court on the basis that Sean's Brazilian Consitutional rights were violated because Pinto relied on the testimony of three court appointed psychologists and did not have Sean tesitfy in open court. (which I think is the basis of the Habeas Corpus)
 
Lastly, even if all of the things above that have less than a snowball's chance in hell of occurring were to occur, there is no legal mechanism for the government of Brazil to ask for the return of Sean; unless of course the kidnappers want to file their own Hague case in U.S. federal courts!
 
I wouldn't lose half a wink of sleep over this one.
 
More likely, Tostes is trying to justify the several hundred thousand dollars in billable hours that he charged Silvana while representing her in the last year.  
 
Imagine having her as a client.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 28, 2009, 06:51:46 PM
Quote from: Packman;61758
My read is that Tostes is trying to cover his behind, being the first Brazilian lawyer to lose such a case can't be good for business.

Ya think?? That gives me SO MUCH JOY :D  
 
He needs to return his law degree to the cracker jack box he got it from!!
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: André Felipe on December 28, 2009, 06:51:50 PM
Quote from: Feltian;61703
http://www.conjur.com.br/2009-dez-28/familia-sean-brasil-informa-entrara-recurso-stj (http://javascript:void(0);)

This is not new.
Technicaly, the judicial proceeding is not over.
As I said in the past, against TRF decision they can appeal, and they appealed, to the STJ, and then to the STF (Supreme Court).
But they also wanted "to invent the wheel" and filled Habeas Corpus at the Supreme Court, which, in my opinion, hurried Sean's return because of Gilmar Mendes' preliminary decision. It was a mistake from them.
 
And also, the President of the STJ, when he received their appeal, he decided not to give another stay order. So, the appeal will be decided by STJ's panel, even if Sean's is already inside US territory.
 
And, the STF's full Court still have to confirm Gilmar Mendes's preliminary decision, which will occurr from February, or after.
 
As I said, the rule says TRF's decision must be immediately enforced, no matter if there's an appeal to STJ. Only exceptionaly STJ grant stay order against TRF's decisions, unfortunately this happened with Larivee case.
 
But I think there is nothing to worry about.
First, David has a strong and solid case, with better arguments than JPLS.
Second, I don't think USA would enforce a eventual brazilian final decision non favourable to David.
Third, even if the majority of the Ministers want it, I don't think they would decide Sean must stay in Brasil, that would create an international impasse, an international incident if USA decides not to enforce, and I truly believe these people (the Ministers) are tired of confusions, they do not want another mess after that Silvana/Marco Aurelio absurds.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: André Felipe on December 28, 2009, 06:52:37 PM
Quote from: André Felipe;61763
This is not new.
Technicaly, the judicial proceeding is not over.
As I said in the past, against TRF decision they can appeal, and they appelaed, to the STJ, and then to the STF (Supreme Court).
But they also wanted "to invent the wheel" and filled Habeas Corpus at the Supreme Court, which, in my opinion, hurried Sean's return because of Gilmar Mendes' preliminary decision. It was a mistake from them.
 
And also, the President of the STJ, when he received their appeal, he decided not to give another stay order. So, the appeal will be decided by STJ's panel, even if Sean's is already inside US territory.
 
And, the STF's full Court still have to confirm Gilmar Mendes's preliminary decision, which will occurr from February, or after.
 
As I said, the rule says TRF's decision must be immediately enforced, no matter if there's an appeal to STJ. Only exceptionaly STJ grant stay order against TRF's decisions, unfortunately this happened with Larivee case.
 
But I think there is nothing to worry about.
First, David has a strong and solid case, with better arguments than JPLS.
Second, I don't think USA would enforce a eventual final decision non favourable to David.
Third, even with the Majority of the Ministers want it, I don't think they would decide Sean must stay in Brasil, that would create an international impasse, an international incident if USa decides not to enforce, and I truly believe these people (the Ministers) are tired of confusions, they do not want another mess after that Silvana/Marco Aurelio absurds.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: ChristineS on December 28, 2009, 06:52:58 PM
I can't even read this nonsense.  But yes, good luck getting anywhere Tostes.
 
Back to happy thoughts!
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: sue on December 28, 2009, 06:53:06 PM
Quote from: Priss;61753
I don't think there is anyway that Sean can be sent back to Brazil. First off, in 2004 David file the Hague got sole custody of Sean and so on. So what is the US going to say? My bad we shouldn't have given you custody David.
 
The family is grasping at straws and Granny will lose all chance of seeing Sean if she keeps this unhealthy behavior going. I don't think she will ever accept David having the God given right to raise his son and believes Sean is hers. Unfortunately for Sean he may lose connection with her because of this. The psychologist may, great possibility, find that Granny being involve in Sean life will be more harmful. I'm no psychologist just my thoughts.
I was just going to say the same thing....Brazil didn't return him when David had sole custody, why would they think the United States would give him to grandparents, or a stepfather?  It will never happen, thank  God this is over!
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Irish17 on December 28, 2009, 06:57:30 PM
I fully understand what everyone is saying about David & Sean's safety. However we are talking about US juristiction, US laws and US penalty. It is not like other countries where people can be injured, killed, kidnapped just for walking the wrong side of the street, looking at some one wrong, etc.
 
I do agree that the safety of David & Sean is very big concern. However I don't think Toastes, Silvania or even JPLS is going to be stupid enough to think about harming David just because they lost. Although I would not mind chipping in for some security guards for David & Sean for a few months either.....
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: JonathanR on December 28, 2009, 06:58:00 PM
Quote from: Priss;61753
I don't think there is anyway that Sean can be sent back to Brazil. First off, in 2004 David file the Hague got sole custody of Sean and so on. So what is the US going to say? My bad we shouldn't have given you custody David.
 
The family is grasping at straws and Granny will lose all chance of seeing Sean if she keeps this unhealthy behavior going. I don't think she will ever accept David having the God given right to raise his son and believes Sean is hers. Unfortunately for Sean he may lose connection with her because of this. The psychologist may, great possibility, find that Granny being involve in Sean life will be more harmful. I'm no psychologist just my thoughts.

I don't think it would be unfortunate for sean to lose connection with her, but that's just me.
 
While LEGALLY David hasn't got squat to worry about, determined people can be very dangerous and when you've got a duo (or trio if you count lameduck granddaddy) who's determined to contort the law to their liking, that's cause for concern. And if the law won't yield, they'll probably try something else.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: mfer on December 28, 2009, 06:58:23 PM
I am not worried about these legal shenanigans for David.  BUT I am concerned for all the other Hague cases in Brazil.  Legal experts - could this be a potential problem for all the other cases?
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: André Felipe on December 28, 2009, 07:01:31 PM
Quote from: mfer;61770
I am not worried about these legal shenanigans for David. BUT I am concerned for all the other Hague cases in Brazil. Legal experts - could this be a potential problem for all the other cases?

I've already anwsered it, it's on page 4.
(I am not an expert, just a student, by the way)
Title: Re: How it SHOULD have been - In Simple Terms
Post by: Caldwell on December 28, 2009, 07:02:56 PM
Quote from: André Felipe;61692
You must be prepared because it's a very delicate issue.
I only had a few lessons about International Law, but the few that I learned I realised that International Law and International Treaties, the whole idea, was not conceived to have teeth, i.e., any kind of sanction, it is all based on willingness and reciprocity.

Andre,

You are right, but the concept of reciprocity can be reinforced with one of two things: 1. A willingness on the part of our government (President or SOS generally, but look at the probable boost David got from a Senator holding up a trade bill), or 2.  A codified set of laws that does not leave it to the discretion of the government, as in 3240, where non-adherence to the Hague or even behaviors from non-Hauge nations results in our unilateral action designed to "encourage" compliance by our supposed "allies" in the world.  This is not tinkering with the international treaty, but setting up parameters for our reaction to other nation's resistance to compliance.

I think that there is consensus here that only the real threat of consequences will get results. Not sure how to treat the question of a nation like Japan, where the economic consequences may not be as useful, but clearly there are actions our government can and should take to push Japan in the direction of cooperation.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: JamesJosephs on December 28, 2009, 07:04:26 PM
If you were taking $100,000 a pop from foreign LBPs to prosecute their Hague cases like the Lins e Silva law firm does, wouldn't you try your best to keep your name out of legal proceedings that would essentially make the Hague Convention null and void in Brazil?
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: mfer on December 28, 2009, 07:04:40 PM
thx AF I hope you are correct.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: sue on December 28, 2009, 07:05:45 PM
Quote from: JamesJosephs;61776
If you were taking $100,000 a pop from foreign LBPs to prosecute their Hague cases like the Lins e Silva law firm does, wouldn't you try your best to keep your name out of legal proceedings that would essentially make the Hague Convention null and void in Brazil?
Good point!
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Claudia.Hope on December 28, 2009, 07:06:06 PM
Let them do what they want to do...
Nothing to be worried about, Sean is in American soil, now he is under the American law,and David has the custody, but I F their appeal works out, Sean can not come back to Brazil...NEVER !!!
WHAT A CIRCUS !!! :burn:
 
I am worried about just one thing: Sean's mental health...what kind of love is that? What this family is doing is unhuman...
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: ssutton on December 28, 2009, 07:06:18 PM
Quote from: mfer;61770
I am not worried about these legal shenanigans for David. BUT I am concerned for all the other Hague cases in Brazil. Legal experts - could this be a potential problem for all the other cases?

You're so right. This madness needs to be stopped, once and for all.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: mfer on December 28, 2009, 07:25:28 PM
Quote from: ssutton;61780
You're so right. This madness needs to be stopped, once and for all.

Andre Felipe's post/opinion is this latest judgment will not be in Tostes favour.  I sure hope this is the case.  Would be interested in hearing from some of the other legal professionals.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: lisacallenwood on December 28, 2009, 07:25:31 PM
Just made the mistake of watching the hokey CBS show the Insider. Oh, puh-leeze.
Anyway, they had a psychotherapist debating with some 'legal analyst' regarding whether Sean should be with David. Although they both did agree Sean belongs with David, the ditzy 'legal analyst' said the dark side is being given a tough break being painted poorly. And David hadn't gone to see Sean in 2 years. Nothing about not be ALLOWED to visit Sean. Another indepth opinion from a knucklehead. You'd think these people would do their research before they get on national TV and spew unfactual info.
Maybe she should go get a job with toasted.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: André Felipe on December 28, 2009, 07:35:27 PM
Quote from: gail;61766
I was just going to say the same thing....Brazil didn't return him when David had sole custody, why would they think the United States would give him to grandparents, or a stepfather? It will never happen, thank God this is over!

Hum, I think we all should pretend, just pretend, that this is possible to happen. Why?
I will try to make you understand how the ordinary brazilian judge thinks.
 
Why the existence of preliminary decisions/staying orders? To avoid a irreversible situation, which the reverse situation could be decided by the higher instances. And they have the duty to preserve the effectiveness of the jurisdiction. Almost everyone here believes that once the child goes to the previous home country, he/she will never return to the current country. This is what happened with Larivee case, TRF decides favourable to him, STJ stayed the order.
 
Let's imagine a world where the USA would easily enforce an eventualy final brazilian decision, which it understood that Sean should be in Brasil with JPLS. In this world, judges would have another, and very strong, argument to allow the child return to its previous home country. Afterall, they will think, "the return is reversible, so, let the child go to the other country, if the higher courts decides on the contrary, the child returns!"
 
Can't you see that it favours LBP's here?
 
That's is exactly what Judge Pinto said, in the last part of his sentence. He truly believes on USA enforcing an eventual final decision non favourable to David.
Of course I believe that it's very unlikely to happen (and also the other judges), but, if I were a judge, I would pretend that it's very possible, and use it in my decision, and so I would have a good and strong argument to not grant another stay order, or allow the child to return.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: chopchop on December 28, 2009, 07:45:39 PM
M2c, this may be an attempt to prevent compensation being paid to David (I'm guessing here) as mandated by the Hague Treaty.  I don't think that after all that has happened anyone would seriously consider the possibility of Sean's return to Brazil.  The Hague Treaty mandates that custody claims take place in the local forum of habitual residence.  Since Bruna is dead, there is no one with a legal claim to custody.

Fact remains that the Brazilian family always intended to "out spend" or bankrupt David.  Last I heard David's out of pocket expenses were well over 400K.  I'll bet that the family is trying to prevent David from attaching Bruna's or JPLS assets, simple as that.  

Personally, I think David is way to magnanimous by saying Silvana can visit and have contact with Sean.  After all this guy has been through the family should "PAY UP" and then they can have a relationship with Sean.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: kiki99999@aol.com on December 28, 2009, 07:47:52 PM
How would they like it if someone took their precious Ciara away from them for 5 years...  
 
I know that David said he would allow Granny to visit Sean in the U.S. but I think he needs to really think long and hard on this one cause with Cruella de Ville, evil is evil and you just never know what you are going to get....
 
These people are beyond delusional....
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: ENR on December 28, 2009, 08:01:29 PM
This is there only way to try and stay connected to Sean is through the negativity of this case because they don't know what a healthy, normal and stable relationship is with anybody.  Healthy and mature grandparents let their grandchildren be raised by their parents.  And  healthy and stable step parents don't try to over step and take on a parent's role.  These people are in need of serious counseling.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Roberta Palermo on December 28, 2009, 08:08:57 PM
I don't trust in our laws (Brazil), but I trust in USA laws, and I am sure they know what to do. We are talking about illegal acts. They don't stop because it works here, but what about in USA? Roberta Palermo
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: Audax on December 28, 2009, 08:10:10 PM
Quote from: Feltian;61717
I think we should contact U.S. immigration so all these devils get their visas revoked. I wouldn't doubt that they may try to do the same thing they did 5 years ago if they come to visit Sean. US does not ask for a travel authorization from the parents. Anyone can get your kid and travel abroad without a travel authorization.


I second that. Chris, are you getting on it?
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Audax on December 28, 2009, 08:18:51 PM
These a$$holes insist on reducing their chances of visiting Sean down to ZERO. While yesterday, I would have supported supervised visits, now I feel that they pose a real danger to Sean and David. Do you remember in the Dateline special, David reported getting death threats and he had to get the FBI involved?

Not only should any visa requests by these criminals be denied, Sean should be put on a no-fly list. These monsters have connections here in the US and I would not be surprised if they hired someone to snatch Sean and try to take him out of the country.

There is no love in that family. Nothing but disgusting, ruthless, heartless, money-thirsty, egocentric criminals.
:mad2::madgo:
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Wrigleyville2 on December 28, 2009, 08:20:24 PM
Quote from: Audax;61822
These a$$holes insist on reducing their chances of visiting Sean down to ZERO. While yesterday, I would have supported supervised visits, now I feel that they pose a real danger to Sean and David. Do you remember in the Dateline special, David reported getting death threats and he had to get the FBI involved?

Not only should any visa requests by these criminals be denied, Sean should be put on a no-fly list. These monsters have connections here in the US and I would not be surprised if they hired someone to snatch Sean and try to take him out of the country.

There is no love in that family. Nothing but disgusting, ruthless, heartless, money-thirsty, egocentric criminals.
:mad2::madgo:

What a case of narcissism!  They are dangerous.

Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: shaine on December 28, 2009, 08:21:30 PM
Quote from: Roberta Palermo;61819
I don't trust in our laws (Brazil), but I trust in USA laws, and I am sure they know what to do. We are talking about illegal acts. They don't stop because it works here, but what about in USA? Roberta Palermo

 
Roberta, they do not have a legal leg to stand on.
David is his biological parent. Only if he was ruled unfit, would there be a chance they could try to obtain custody of Sean. But given the circumstances, Sean would more then likely go to David's family first, seeing as they are here.
 
I wish there was some way that they could be forced to pay up just for their stupidity. For taking the time of the courts. It's a travesty!
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Lianne on December 28, 2009, 08:24:44 PM
These devil people still spread lies about David!!! Seriously! I am tired about these devil people!

http://noticias.terra.com.br/brasil/noticias/0,,OI4178324-EI306,00.html

They saying the case Sean Goldman isn't over, they will get Sean back sooner!!!

I am worried about David's life. These devil people can doing  bad things to him.

WE NEED DOING SOMETHING TO PREVENT THESE PEOPLE CAME TO AMERICA.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Roberta Palermo on December 28, 2009, 08:24:57 PM
Shaine, I am sure they won't have what to do! Now I don't understand how did they bring Sean to David that day! Thank you god they did it! Thanks! Roberta Palermo
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: shaine on December 28, 2009, 08:30:48 PM
I would be more afraid that they would try to harm David in some way.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Roberta Palermo on December 28, 2009, 08:33:11 PM
Maybe they want to keep us busy here rs It let us be more intelligent! Roberta Palermo
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Lianne on December 28, 2009, 08:35:28 PM
Quote from: Irish17;61768
I fully understand what everyone is saying about David & Sean's safety. However we are talking about US juristiction, US laws and US penalty. It is not like other countries where people can be injured, killed, kidnapped just for walking the wrong side of the street, looking at some one wrong, etc.
 
I do agree that the safety of David & Sean is very big concern. However I don't think Toastes, Silvania or even JPLS is going to be stupid enough to think about harming David just because they lost. Although I would not mind chipping in for some security guards for David & Sean for a few months either.....


They can do it and much more, believe me. You do not have idea what rich, powerful, egoist and bad character people from Brazil can do. The facts historic prove that.

THE DAVID'S SAFETY IS BIG CONCERN. WE NEED DOING SOMETHING TO PREVENT THESE EVIL PEOPLE AND HIS CONNECTIONS IN AMERICA.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Bill33 on December 28, 2009, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: Roberta Palermo;61826
Now I don't understand how did they bring Sean to David that day!


David was wise to get the quickest flight out that he could.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: noah3698 on December 28, 2009, 08:38:16 PM
Quote from: Roberta Palermo;61826
Shaine, I am sure they won't have what to do! Now I don't understand how did they bring Sean to David that day! Thank you god they did it! Thanks! Roberta Palermo

Good point.  I too am suprised that they handed over Sean and did not take off with him.  I guess they realize that outside Brazil they are nothing....
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Emily on December 28, 2009, 09:22:16 PM
I've been lurking on here for a long time and finally just recently joined.
 
I cannot believe what the "family", are doing!  Thankfully, as I understand it, they have no legal standings in the US and that the Hague Convention clearly states that US is where custody decisions are made.  It just boggles the mind what those people think they can do just because they have money.

If there's any justice in the world, all 3 "lawyers" down there would see all their businesses dried up.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: lovellboys on December 28, 2009, 09:24:45 PM
This is all for show.  They handed him over because the world was watching and they were under a microscope.  

However, with regard to visitation, I will say that confiscating passports or visa's will make no difference because they can always have more than one. David was not exactly born yesterday, and everything we can think of he has thought of already.  I do not think he will let Sean travel or even set foot outside the house if they are granted a visit.   Can you say nanny-cam?

Tostes is doing his job, and since this may be his only remaining client (one can hope), the guy needs to make a living.   The judges are probably on holiday laughing at him over a drink.  He and his clients have been exposed as child abductors, liars, frauds and parental alienators.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Nicole's Dad on December 28, 2009, 09:28:16 PM
A waste of time and money. He's a leech.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: cj13 on December 28, 2009, 09:40:38 PM
Sean is an American citizen, living with his legal guardian and sole surviving parent in the US.  There is NO way he is going back.  I hope the Brazilian appeal takes months/years - and then the court will tell them - sorry he is too assimilated in the US - he stays w/his dad - you loose.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: kmoor88 on December 28, 2009, 09:41:56 PM
Public Statement from the USA. Sean Goldman is here to stay!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: beach247 on December 28, 2009, 09:52:27 PM
Deciding Sean Goldman’s Fate

http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/28/deciding-sean-goldmans-fate/
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Elaine Long on December 28, 2009, 09:55:37 PM
Seriously......has anyone performed mental health or substance abuse checks on these people?
 
They can do whatever they want, child stays in the USA-No one in our government would return this child UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, and thats even if they could pry him out of his fathers arms, with the rest of us standing guard over them.
 
UHHHH.....NOT!   :conf::cheer::burn:
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Atlantic965 on December 28, 2009, 10:00:41 PM
Tosty is smoking crack.  It has gone to the highest court in the land and it is over.  They need to leave Sean in peace.  I am not worried. I think David though needs to watch his back.  I do not put anything past these people at this point.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Candida on December 28, 2009, 10:01:19 PM
If you know the Brazilian culture, you will understand why they have to do this. It's about saving "face". They are prominent people and used to having things going their way, so this loss (not necessarily loss of Sean but loss as in the case) is a hard pill to swallow.
 
Someone answered to one of my post about the Lins e Silva's business tanking - I really wonder who in their right mind would hire them for representation after learning of all the backroom tactics they have used on David.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Elaine Long on December 28, 2009, 10:03:30 PM
I have a few other thoughts here.
 
A) These people are deranged, sore losers, and power mongers.(to put it lightly).
 
My fear would be kidnapping of Sean.  David shoul not let the child out of his sight, and Tinton Falls PD or Monmouth County Sheriff should watch the house.
 
B)  IF and WHEN visitation does take place it should take place at the police station-NJ has supervised visitation at police stations by court order.
 
I sincerely hope and pray David is saying he is in Disney World, but really isnt.  He might be doing this to throw them off his trail, unfortunately soonr or later he has to go home.  Security should be in place by that time.
 
ONE OTHER THOUGHT along the legal trails.  This family may NOT be doing this-TOSTES may be doing this, because this case has set LEGAL PRECEDENT now for the remaining children over there.  His vbusiness is down the drain because every other Plaintiff attorney will use this case now.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Candida on December 28, 2009, 10:05:11 PM
Those of you familiar with the case in New Jersey, please try to answer this for me. Is the abduction/kidnapping case still active in New Jersey? If so, couldn't the state arrest and prosecuter the grandparents and the stepfather if they step foot in the state?
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: LukieD on December 28, 2009, 10:09:44 PM
Quote from: Candida;61857
Those of you familiar with the case in New Jersey, please try to answer this for me. Is the abduction/kidnapping case still active in New Jersey? If so, couldn't the state arrest and prosecuter the grandparents and the stepfather if they step foot in the state?

The case was always pursued as a civil case and not a criminal case in the New Jersey courts. Unless that changes, there is no criminal liability.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Candida on December 28, 2009, 10:16:19 PM
Remember the interview where Meredith asked Jeff that the Brazilian family has one last trick in the hat - something they have on David that will prove he is unfit? I wonder if they are finally going to pull it now.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: doleary on December 28, 2009, 10:21:02 PM
To answer a post a few pages back. The Us requires the signature of both parents on the passport for all children under the age of 16 years old.  Also, Interpol has both of Sean US and Brazilian passport registery. If either passport is used then they would know where it was used at.  One other thing, Interpol is aware that Sean is involved in a high profile custody dispute, there are alerts on both passports.  So even if he did get out of the US over Canadian or Mexican borders, it would be known if he entered Brazil and I don't think that is a chance they are willing to take.  Save face yes but go to jail and start hostilities with the US never. The Brazilian president won't have it.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Ceilli on December 28, 2009, 10:25:12 PM
Quote from: Lianne;61832
They can do it and much more, believe me. You do not have idea what rich, powerful, egoist and bad character people from Brazil can do. The facts historic prove that.
 
THE DAVID'S SAFETY IS BIG CONCERN. WE NEED DOING SOMETHING TO PREVENT THESE EVIL PEOPLE AND HIS CONNECTIONS IN AMERICA.

David simply needs to make sure they know he has a Will with a very, very, very long list of guardians named for Sean if something happens to him.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Chuckles on December 28, 2009, 10:27:04 PM
I seriously doubt anyone has any reason to worry for David's safety or about Sean being re-abducted.  When Bruna left with Sean, she was willingly driven to the airport by David, as he had no reason whatsoever to suspect what her plans might be.  Now that he's fully aware of everything the cretin kidnappers that have held Sean for all this time are capable of, I'm sure he is taking every precaution to protect his precious boy.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: doleary on December 28, 2009, 10:29:04 PM
And another thing about the saving face.  All there talk is to try and prove that Sean should have never left Brazil.  They are looking for a needle in a haystack to say the law was with them and that Sean was returned not because they failed but that the US put pressure on the judge to give him back. The plea goes something like this "Sean was returned to the US because of the threat of trade sanctions. Had the judge a backbone to stand up for Sean against the US, he would still be here with us today." BOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! That's all it is.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Candida on December 28, 2009, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: Chuckles;61863
I seriously doubt anyone has any reason to worry for David's safety or about Sean being re-abducted. When Bruna left with Sean, she was willingly driven to the airport by David, as he had no reason whatsoever to suspect what her plans might be. Now that he's fully aware of everything the cretin kidnappers that have held Sean for all this time are capable of, I'm sure he is taking every precaution to protect his precious boy.

That is for sure. Anyway, I think these two families have a lot more to lose if they were to attempt anything like this. They would have to go into hiding in a country that has no extradition laws with the US. They would have to start liquidating their assets now in order to that because the Brazilian government could freeze their "XXX"ets.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Chuckles on December 28, 2009, 10:45:22 PM
Quote from: doleary;61864
And another thing about the saving face.  All there talk is to try and prove that Sean should have never left Brazil.  They are looking for a needle in a haystack to say the law was with them and that Sean was returned not because they failed but that the US put pressure on the judge to give him back. The plea goes something like this "Sean was returned to the US because of the threat of trade sanctions. Had the judge a backbone to stand up for Sean against the US, he would still be here with us today." BOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! That's all it is.
Not only that, but if the hold on the trade bill did play any role:  GOOD!  If that's what it takes to get Brazil to enforce the law, so be it.  The rulings have been unambiguous ever since the case went to the federal courts that it was an abduction that needed to be redressed; that the kidnappers holding the boy were doing him continued harm and that every one of these absurd claims still being made are patently false.  With every breath - every absurd utterance - they make it more and more difficult for them to ever see Sean again.  But, sometimes there's just no fixing stupid.  :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: forsean on December 28, 2009, 10:46:37 PM
When I watched the Today show this morning with Meredith's interview with David, Patricia Apy stated the litigation is over.  (appeals over too?, did I hear that?)  She made it seem that nothing can be done any longer, Sean is here to stay with David, end of story.  
 
We all know they love to cause scenes, talk blah, blah, blah, and they think they own Brazil and what they say goes.  Let them waste their energy and time on nothing.  Sean isn't going anywhere!
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Bill33 on December 28, 2009, 10:47:25 PM
Quote from: Chuckles;61866
Not only that, but if the hold on the trade bill did play any role:  GOOD!  If that's what it takes to get Brazil to enforce the law, so be it.  The rulings have been unambiguous ever since the case went to the federal courts that it was an abduction that needed to be redressed; that the kidnappers holding the boy were doing him continued harm and that every one of these absurd claims still being made are patently false.  With every breath - every absurd utterance - they make it more and more difficult for them to ever see Sean again.  But, sometimes there's just no fixing stupid.  :nixweiss:


:yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat:
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: admirj on December 28, 2009, 10:47:30 PM
Quote from: Candida;61859
Remember the interview where Meredith asked Jeff that the Brazilian family has one last trick in the hat - something they have on David that will prove he is unfit? I wonder if they are finally going to pull it now.

Speculation.:burn:  Meredith just mentioned that they had already tried that. They have no tricks left.
 
These kinds of topics and speculations are totally unnecessary and are not helping anyone. This case is (legally) closed, and anything that will happen in future is up to David. The other side has nothing, will have nothing and will not do anything without David's permission.
 
End of story.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Grace on December 28, 2009, 10:47:56 PM
Quote from: cj13;61844
Sean is an American citizen, living with his legal guardian and sole surviving parent in the US. There is NO way he is going back. I hope the Brazilian appeal takes months/years - and then the court will tell them - sorry he is too assimilated in the US - he stays w/his dad - you loose.

 
 
The Corleones have as much chance in getting Sean back as they do in finding Osama Bin Laden.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: sue on December 28, 2009, 10:48:18 PM
Quote from: admirj;61870
Speculation. Meredith just mentioned that they had already tried that. They have no tricks left.
 
These kinds of topics and speculations are totally unnecessary and are not helping anyone. This case is (legally) closed, and anything that will happen in future is up to David. The other side has nothing, will have nothing and will not do anything without David's permission. End of story.
:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: Caldwell on December 28, 2009, 10:54:18 PM
Quote from: Roberta Palermo;61736
It must be the first time they loose something. They don't stop? They won't have permission to visit the boy. zzzzzz It's so boring! Roberta Palermo

Roberta,

I would agree, but, you know...it is a Monday night, not much going on, so this is decent entertainment......
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: LDJVR on December 28, 2009, 10:55:27 PM
Seems like I remember hearing that Bruna told David he would never get Sean back and he could spend all money trying. Anyway, I was just thinking, that's exactly what Toast is going to do to Silvana. He's going to get every last dime of her money!
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Caldwell on December 28, 2009, 10:57:31 PM
Quote from: Elaine Long;61856
I have a few other thoughts here.
 
A) These people are deranged, sore losers, and power mongers.(to put it lightly).
 
My fear would be kidnapping of Sean.  David shoul not let the child out of his sight, and Tinton Falls PD or Monmouth County Sheriff should watch the house.  100% agreed
 
B)  IF and WHEN visitation does take place it should take place at the police station-NJ has supervised visitation at police stations by court order.  I think it is pretty safe to assume that the IF part of this is "no" and the WHEN part is now "never".
 
Title: The real picture behind this lawsuit..
Post by: Zone on December 28, 2009, 11:11:49 PM
Lins and Silvia know that:
 
1.  In the US, David has sole custody of Sean
 
2.  The US has warrents outf or their arrest, and they will be arrested if they ever step foot on US Soil
 
3.  They would have to come to the US to file any sort of Lawsuit.  See #2
 
4.  They think they know that the only way they can get Sean back is if the Supreme Court overturns their own ruling.  WIth Sean in the US, that will amount to a hill of beans.
 
To sum it up, they are desprate and know that they may never see Sean until he turns 18 and if he chooses to return to Brasil.
Title: Re: The real picture behind this lawsuit..
Post by: Caldwell on December 28, 2009, 11:15:52 PM
Quote from: Zone;61876
Lins and Silvia know that:
 
1.  In the US, David has sole custody of Sean
 
2.  The US has warrents outf or their arrest, and they will be arrested if they ever step foot on US Soil
 
3.  They would have to come to the US to file any sort of Lawsuit.  See #2
 
4.  They think they know that the only way they can get Sean back is if the Supreme Court overturns their own ruling.  WIth Sean in the US, that will amount to a hill of beans.
 
To sum it up, they are desprate and know that they may never see Sean until he turns 18 and if he chooses to return to Brasil.

There are no arrest warrants pending for any of the Brazilians. Please check facts before posting.

# 3 & #4 are certainly accurate, but that's not news.....
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: hmjarc on December 28, 2009, 11:18:06 PM
Quote from: lisacallenwood;61786
Just made the mistake of watching the hokey CBS show the Insider. Oh, puh-leeze.
Anyway, they had a psychotherapist debating with some 'legal analyst' regarding whether Sean should be with David. Although they both did agree Sean belongs with David, the ditzy 'legal analyst' said the dark side is being given a tough break being painted poorly. And David hadn't gone to see Sean in 2 years. Nothing about not be ALLOWED to visit Sean. Another indepth opinion from a knucklehead. You'd think these people would do their research before they get on national TV and spew unfactual info.
Maybe she should go get a job with toasted.

I saw that as well.  Completely made me furious!  It's fine to debate the topic but at least be prepared with all the facts first.  The lawyer says "We don't know he was abused, for all we know this a loving family."  Just looked unintelligent.
Title: Re: The real picture behind this lawsuit..
Post by: Shar on December 28, 2009, 11:29:47 PM
This is absurd and perplexing! The" war is over" lasted about one business day! Isn't this the first non-holiday/non weekend day following the decision to lift the stay? This was their plan all along. They lied.
 
AGAIN, THANK YOU NBC! If they had stayed on the ground awaiting a flight, I doubt Sean would be home.

WHAT'S THEIR POINT???(Since David has full legal custody in the U.S., aren't they at his mercy?)

(?) Are they such heartless sore losers that they're deliberately trying to screw with Sean's head to make it harder for him to acclimate in the U.S. so they can "show" David? Will they try to communicate to Sean that they're "fighting" for him to bring him back to Brazil? (Please...NO contact with Granny!!!)

(?) Is it about the drama? Do they also have histrionic personality disorder? Lots of narcissists do!

(?) Are they trying to delay lawsuits (for reimbursement) by David and his attorneys? If so, their pocketbooks are more important to them than Sean's peace of mind and well-being.

(?) Are they actually trying to lose visitation rights to Sean...or even remote communication? Now that they've lost the Hague case, Sean has no PR value to them unless they continue "fighting." This keeps them in the limelight and feeds their collective pathological narcissism.
 
(?) Is "saving face" more important to them than Sean's happiness and mental well-being?

Their maneuvers are too sick for words. When will they stop trying to torture Sean and David?!?!

These people are true manifestations of one of the players in the King Solomon story...no secret which one!

Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Bill33 on December 28, 2009, 11:35:57 PM
I wonder if part of the Brazilian family decided to declare the war is over, and the other part decided to continue the war?
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Bob D'Amico on December 28, 2009, 11:37:03 PM
The Brazilian Supreme Court will have to reject or dismiss this latest appeal otherwise they change the whole rule of law established (and often ignored) by the Hague Convention.

I don't think the Brazilian Supreme Court will want to go there.

IMPOSSIBLE for any appeals in New Jersey State or Federal Courts. They are only the grandparents they have ZERO rights. No one in Brazil has any rights, not even the "socio-affective" father, Joao Paulo Lins e Silva.

And just think they invited David to Christmas dinner during that press conference! The one where Tostes read the invitation and then immediately threatened to destroy David.

The only person they are hurting with all this ongoing crap is Sean. David is not stupid.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Julya on December 28, 2009, 11:50:20 PM
:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:
Quote from: Bob D'Amico;61886
The Brazilian Supreme Court will have to reject or dismiss this latest appeal otherwise they change the whole rule of law established (and often ignored) by the Hague Convention.
 
I don't think the Brazilian Supreme Court will want to go there.
 
IMPOSSIBLE for any appeals in New Jersey State or Federal Courts. They are only the grandparents they have ZERO rights. No one in Brazil has any rights, not even the "socio-affective" father, Joao Paulo Lins e Silva.
 
And just think they invited David to Christmas dinner during that press conference! The one where Tostes read the invitation and then immediately threatened to destroy David.
 
The only person they are hurting with all this ongoing crap is Sean. David is not stupid.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Mom25 on December 28, 2009, 11:52:43 PM
Quote from: Grace;61871
The Corleones have as much chance in getting Sean back as they do in finding Osama Bin Laden.


Exactly!
Sean will NEVER get on that plane to Brazil or to anywhere in the world without the ALLOWANCE of his dad... there won't be any "victory" to the DS because there won't be anything for them to win... sooner than later the DS will realize Sean is no longer the "trophy" they made him to be for 5 years.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Julya on December 29, 2009, 12:01:56 AM
I just thought with myself now maybe after they saw Sean and David happy, after “nona” got his message telling her  he was very happy, she must be afraid that she will never get him back, like she thought she could, and she is acting with desperation because she can’t admit the fact that Sean loves his dada. This makes me so sick, just to think about! This is no close called love!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Shar on December 29, 2009, 12:04:44 AM
CBS's "maybe-loving family" KIDNAPPED SEAN FROM HIS FATHER, ALIENATED HIM FROM HIS FATHER, AND SUBJECTED HIM TO EMOTIONAL ABUSE (which they publicly aired).  
 
CBS, are you listening?!?!?  Please stop reporting on a case you obviously know nothing about.  (Take a page out of NBC's book next time!!)
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Candida on December 29, 2009, 12:07:08 AM
I hope when he saw his room tonight, his memories flooded back. I am sure those memories include his mom because she was also living there with him. My heart cries for his memories of his mother but is happy that he will also remember how loving his dad was and still is.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: rlw.mom on December 29, 2009, 12:16:05 AM
NBC NY has reported that Sean and David arrived home to their NJ home Monday night.  Welcome home Sean :)
 
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/Sean-Goldman-Back-in-New-Jersey-80243967.html
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: faeryquene on December 29, 2009, 12:22:42 AM
Quote from: Feltian;61703
http://www.conjur.com.br/2009-dez-28/familia-sean-brasil-informa-entrara-recurso-stj (http://javascript:void(0);)

Thanks for the updates Feltian-I read them hours ago but I could feel my evil twin trying to take over. (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/ShaposOneArmBeamStand/Blinkies/decision.gif)
 
@ nina- I'm feeling your pain-I MUST express myself too-even if it is in smiliespeak or I will bust! Who do Tostes, and the rest of those kidnapping PANDILLEROS think they are?!! This is outrageous-Do they reckon they run Brazil? I can just see it now-
 
'Godfather-please get him back'
 
'But Senora-the young man IS his father-my hands are tied-maybe I could get Tostes and your son-in-law disbarred for their major FAIL-for good measure I'll have them beaten-twenty lashes each with a wet noodle!'
 
Oh thank you Godfather! Thank you!(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/ShaposOneArmBeamStand/Blinkies/73830035_GWn0lyGj_Godfather.gif)
 
 
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/ShaposOneArmBeamStand/Blinkies/comphell-1.gif)
end of rant...
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Audax on December 29, 2009, 12:30:13 AM
jeff rossen just tweeted that he'll have another update tomorrow on Today
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 29, 2009, 12:30:21 AM
This might be a very clumsy attempt a getting some 'negotiating leverage', in their minds. To use the threat of further legal challenges to 'force' David to allow visitation in the US.

In any case, they make slightly less safe for Sean to visit Brazil, if David decides that they want to spend time there for Sean's sake. If that is the case, they are hurting Sean yet again and prove further that their actions are harmful to Sean, what would suggest that both psychologists and the US Courts would agree on a need to keep them away from Sean at all cost.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: JonathanR on December 29, 2009, 12:30:38 AM
Quote from: faeryquene;61901
I could feel my evil twin trying to take over. (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/ShaposOneArmBeamStand/Blinkies/decision.gif)
 
 
'Godfather-please get him back'
 
Oh thank you Godfather! Thank you!(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/ShaposOneArmBeamStand/Blinkies/73830035_GWn0lyGj_Godfather.gif)
 
 
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/ShaposOneArmBeamStand/Blinkies/comphell-1.gif)

end of rant...

margaret, where do you find such great icons? they're spectacular!!  :D
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: yunw on December 29, 2009, 12:43:20 AM
Dark side's actions have again proven they are lunatic. I can't believe "Toxin" has a law degree, he acts like a uneducated, mean spirit being with his bulging eye. I hope he losses all of his business in US. "trying to get Sean immediately return to Brazil"? I would suggest them to resusitate Bruna from her grave, which it  may have a better chance. I would seriously advice "Toxin": being ugly face is not your fault, but frequent shows your ugly face to scare public-that is a crime. Please go away.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: FC_Florida on December 29, 2009, 12:43:50 AM
Welcome home, Sean and David!:)

btw, there were 2 comments left there (anonymously, of course) infuriating. Bet it's coming from you-know-who. I had to reply...
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: siajeannie on December 29, 2009, 12:52:00 AM
Quote from: FC_Florida;61701
It's great that some changes were made on the travel authorizations but still there's nothing there that would block one of the parents of the child/children from not returning to the country which they reside oversees, if they decide do to so (like Bruna did). There's no penalty, no mechanism that would kick in in the event of a parent missing their scheduled trip back. I don't have the knowledge of the current laws but there should be a 24 hour wait period for the parent to return w/ the child/children to the country of their residence, after they failed to board the plane. After that, it should be an automatic case of International Child Abduction and the proper measures would be taken from there. But what about countries like Japan that are not part of Hague? Well, I guess it's easier said then done.

THIS IS RIDICULOUS! (I am talking about the article FC_Florida posted in here; sorry still haven't figured out how to multi-quote) Ok, so I have been out of Brazil for many years (almost 10) but when I was there, back in 1998 to 2000 and worked in the airport, the law was clear and we followed at all costs. Also, prior to that, when my parents traveled back and forward from and to Brazil, Brazilians ALWAYS needed to have special authorization for children travelling (they both needed to sign at the 'Cartorio'. That's why most Airports have one right there and it was a nightmare when they are closed). Please note, I worked at the national airport and even in there traveling without authorization was IMPOSSIBLE.

Ok, maybe I am not understanding something here... when did it become OK to travel, especially internationally, without authorization in Brazil?  :eek:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: FC_Florida on December 29, 2009, 12:53:02 AM
Quote from: Audax;61902
jeff rossen just tweeted that he'll have another update tomorrow on Today

Wonderful! Hope granny and her minions watch it!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: FC_Florida on December 29, 2009, 01:09:36 AM
Quote from: siajeannie;61911
THIS IS RIDICULOUS! (I am talking about the article FC_Florida posted in here; sorry still haven't figured out how to multi-quote) Ok, so I have been out of Brazil for many years (almost 10) but when I was there, back in 1998 to 2000 and worked in the airport, the law was clear and we followed at all costs. Also, prior to that, when my parents traveled back and forward from and to Brazil, Brazilians ALWAYS needed to have special authorization for children travelling (they both needed to sign at the 'Cartorio'. That's why most Airports have one right there and it was a nightmare when they are closed). Please note, I worked at the national airport and even in there traveling without authorization was IMPOSSIBLE.

Ok, maybe I am not understanding something here... when did it become OK to travel, especially internationally, without authorization in Brazil?  :eek:


Are you still awake, siajeannie?;)

Well, as far as I know (anyone from Brazil out there please correct me if I'm wrong), the travel authorization had been in place before this new change. Both mother and father had to sign it. I guess w/ the new changes both will have to notarize the documents, include pictures of the child and provide documents of custody arrangements if applicable. I don't know it you needed those things before. But again, in my opinion, that document doesn't have "teeth". Remember that David signed the travel authorization. I don't know if  these new rules were in place back in 2004 it would have made any difference anyway.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: heatheram29 on December 29, 2009, 01:12:48 AM
What a bunch of wackos.. each and every one of them. The most important thing they should do now is bite their tongues and try to play nice-nice with David so they can have some sort of visitation with Sean. Instead, they seem determined to fail at all costs.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Shay on December 29, 2009, 01:41:32 AM
didn't david's attorney said this morning, during the Today show interview, that the case is over in brazil. so, i guess we shouldn't worry about this anymore...
 
one more thing...i think david should think about moving to a new house because there's like a video of there homecoming in new jersey posted on the internet. i wasn't able to open the video, but there's a picture of the house. im just concern about their privacy and sean's safety.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Claudia.Hope on December 29, 2009, 02:04:12 AM
Quote from: FC_Florida;61916
Are you still awake, siajeannie?;)
 
Well, as far as I know (anyone from Brazil out there please correct me if I'm wrong), the travel authorization had been in place before this new change. Both mother and father had to sign it. I guess w/ the new changes both will have to notarize the documents, include pictures of the child and provide documents of custody arrangements if applicable. I don't know it you needed those things before. But again, in my opinion, that document doesn't have "teeth". Remember that David signed the travel authorization. I don't know if these new rules were in place back in 2004 it would have made any difference anyway.

 
OOpsss...Pera ai...Voces estao fazendo uma "pequena" confusao
Uma coisa e a autorizacao de viagem expedida no Brasil para o menor viajar acompanhado ou desacompanhado, neste caso pai e mae tem que ir ao juizado de menores com seus documentos e solicitar a autorizacao. Se um dos pais viaja, o outro tem que dar a autorizacao.
 
No exterior, e o mesmo mecanismo, os dois pais tem que comparecer pessoalmente. Independente do pai ou mae serem estrangeiros.
O que mudou no Brasil ( mas no exterior ja esta me vigor ha 1 ano) e a obrigatoriedade da foto e mais...com o novo passaporte azul ( biometrico) os dados dos pais sao todos escaneados, o pai estrangeiro tem que ir pessoalmente, se identificar e assinar na frente de um agente consular!
O problema nao foi na autorizacao que o David assinou, ele assinou pessoalmente, acredito, e de boa fe. Mas o que ele deu foi uma AUTORIZACAO DE VIAGEM, com tempo determinado de validade, e era para as ferias.Nada impede que uma crianca viaje com a autorizacao do pai ausente.
O problema todo foram o juizes, e/ou o governo terem demorado 5 anos para cumprir a Convencao de Haia.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: DrMalvado on December 29, 2009, 02:26:09 AM
Imo they just want more attention, yep, even tho they have slim to none chances of winning this appeal, they just want to keep showing on tv, etc, playing victims.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JonathanR on December 29, 2009, 02:36:56 AM
i hope we continue to hear nothing but good news. praying that sean's memories are awakened. i also pray that david is finally within reach of some much needed serenity.
 
maybe we can start a poll for deserved awards: 1. i nominate meredith vieira for an emmy for outstanding journalism 2. chris smith for the congressional medal of honor .... 3. david - not sure? maybe righteous among the nations? or father of the century? is there an award for that? :)
 
and everybody who spearheaded the bsh movement, as well a those on foot in brazil and the us trying to get the word out - a collective nobel prize! :D
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: faeryquene on December 29, 2009, 03:52:42 AM
Quote from: lovellboys;61841
This is all for show. They handed him over because the world was watching and they were under a microscope.
 
However, with regard to visitation, I will say that confiscating passports or visa's will make no difference because they can always have more than one. David was not exactly born yesterday, and everything we can think of he has thought of already. I do not think he will let Sean travel or even set foot outside the house if they are granted a visit. Can you say nanny-cam?
 
Tostes is doing his job, and since this may be his only remaining client (one can hope), the guy needs to make a living. The judges are probably on holiday laughing at him over a drink. He and his clients have been exposed as child abductors, liars, frauds and parental alienators.

Don't forget child ABUSERS on their list of sins. What they did to Sean when they force-walked him a block to the Consulate through that scrum of Paparazzi is unconscionable-they showed everyone right there and then their true character. that it's all about THEM not Sean.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: reepwtusew on December 29, 2009, 04:23:07 AM
I am not playing into the crap that the media and people are spreading.  Did you watch the Today Show?  There is no more appeals they can attempt.  Also now that Sean is on American soil and in New Jersey. David won custody two weeks after his XWife left the country.  Stay positive and do not let your self be played.  I am moving on to the next kidnapped child and so should everyone else.  I will not be pulled into there games its over.  Lets move on! :clapping:
Title: Re: The Foundation
Post by: reepwtusew on December 29, 2009, 04:27:43 AM
I am not playing into the crap that the media and people are spreading. Did you watch the Today Show? There is no more appeals they can attempt. Also now that Sean is on American soil and in New Jersey. David won custody two weeks after his XWife left the country. Stay positive and do not let your self be played. I am moving on to the next kidnapped child and so should everyone else. I will not be pulled into there games its over. Lets move on! (http://bringseanhome.org/images/smilies/clapping.gif)
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Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: cm on December 29, 2009, 05:13:38 AM
Simply remarkable.

Please, tell me what court system - no matter the country - would allow kidnappers to appeal the decision to give a child back to the custodial parent?

Judge Pinto ruled accordingly, stating that there was a SECOND ILLEGAL RETENTION, that there was Parental Alienation, and that Sean should be with his father. Judge Mendes based his ruling on the same. Yet these people continue to blather that Sean wasn't heard.

It's remarkable that these people keep shooting themselves in the foot. I'm so thankful that Sean is with David.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: jl2saint on December 29, 2009, 08:30:55 AM
Quote from: Audax;61822
These a$$holes insist on reducing their chances of visiting Sean down to ZERO. While yesterday, I would have supported supervised visits, now I feel that they pose a real danger to Sean and David.
 
I thought the same thing...........
 
Here Dave stands wanting to at least try in time to let them visit for Sean's sake.....
 
Here they sit telling 5 yr old lies about Dave and continuing legal proceedings after declaring the war over............
 
Thay sre digging their own grave IMO...........
 
Id tell them to piss off..........Now that Sean is in the U.S. it's over. They should be kissing Dave's back side................
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: jl2saint on December 29, 2009, 08:58:08 AM
Let me restate this............
 
I think that the cheese has fallen off these people's crackers.............
 
 
Can I be anymore plain?????????????
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: carlaleader on December 29, 2009, 09:32:04 AM
Quote from: lovellboys;61707
Thanks for the translation, but my first thought is "Good luck with that"

:yeahthat:
Title: Paulo Vanucci's letter -
Post by: Feltian on December 29, 2009, 10:58:38 AM
http://www.presidencia.gov.br/estrutura_presidencia/sedh/noticias/ultimas_noticias/MySQLNoticia.2009-12-28.2017
 
Google translation
 
Official Statement
 
28/DEZ/09 - Sean Goldman

28/12/2009 - 19:46

The decision of the Supreme Court, the last on Dec. 22, which led to the immediate delivery of Sean Goldman to his father, the American David Goldman, meets Brazil's obligations with regard to compliance with the Convention on the Civil Aspects of Child Abduction Children, concluded at The Hague in 1980, of which the country is a signatory. In Brazil, the Central Authority for the conduct of cases of international abduction of children is the Special Secretariat for Human Rights of the Presidency (SEDH).

According to the Convention, every child brought the country to live in another country, and this is retained without the consent of a parent, should be restored immediately, so that all matters relating to custody and the visits will be decided in country of habitual residence. The permanence of Sean Goldman, born in the U.S. and held in Brazil by his mother without the father, since 2004, was considered illegal under the Convention, the Justices Brazilian and American.

The Special Secretariat for Human Rights of the Presidency, conscious and confident that all legal provisions involved - both international law and the laws of Brazil - indicated the possibility of occurrence of sensitive outcome of December 22, has endeavored to families Brazilian and American prioritize the search for a settlement.

In repeated interviews with the press, in hearings in the Senate and House of Representatives, in meetings with the two branches of the family, our balance was always in the sense that the special protection to Sean Goldman provided in accordance with the wisdom of the Child and the Adolescents should be put above any litigant spirit.

The Brazilian government will provide the necessary support to protect under the Convention, the family life of the child with his Brazilian family.

Paul Vannuchi
Minister of the Special Secretariat for Human Rights of the Presidency
Title: Re: Paulo Vanucci's letter -
Post by: lovellboys on December 29, 2009, 11:03:31 AM
Quote from: Feltian;62000
http://www.presidencia.gov.br/estrutura_presidencia/sedh/noticias/ultimas_noticias/MySQLNoticia.2009-12-28.2017
 
In repeated interviews with the press, in hearings in the Senate and House of Representatives, in meetings with the two branches of the family, our balance was always in the sense that the special protection to Sean Goldman provided in accordance with the wisdom of the Child and the Adolescents should be put above any litigant spirit.
 
The Brazilian government will provide the necessary support to protect under the Convention, the family life of the child with his Brazilian family.
 
Paul Vannuchi
Minister of the Special Secretariat for Human Rights of the Presidency

I am not sure how to take this, espcially with regard to the last sentence.  True, I have had only 1 cup of coffee today, but could someone spell it out for me?  I believe it is saying that the government will help facilitate visitation - correct?
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: tnajk on December 29, 2009, 11:05:55 AM
I'm confused by it too.  Not sure if it's the translation or what but it seems to be saying 2 completely different things.  Hope someone can clear it up for us.  Thanks
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: JamesJosephs on December 29, 2009, 11:14:46 AM
Paulo Vannuchi is a personal friend of the Ribeiros and has been in the tank for the Brazilian family from Day 1.
 
Despite being head of the Brazilian Central Authority that is responsible for processing and administration of Hague cases on behalf of LBPs, Vannuchi made some outrageous statements on the public record in the last year in which he called for a "negotiated settlement" that would ensure the "permanence" of Sean in Brazil.
 
He is one of the many villains in this story and should be ignored.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: ProudDaddy on December 29, 2009, 11:16:27 AM
Quote from: tnajk;62006
I'm confused by it too.  Not sure if it's the translation or what but it seems to be saying 2 completely different things.  Hope someone can clear it up for us.  Thanks
In plain Portuguese  it says that the Brazilian Government will help the Brazilian family (Granny and  Chiara, I guess) to have visitation rights to the boy in US, under the  provisions of the Hague Convention. Cristal clear (at least to  me).
 The question is:  what provisions the HC offers in this situation?:nixweiss:
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: forsean on December 29, 2009, 11:19:56 AM
The words "Human Rights" has no business being used after his name or relating to the Brazilian family...they obviously have no idea what the true meaning of those words are when it comes to David's case!
 
It's OVER, give it up!
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: lovellboys on December 29, 2009, 11:21:10 AM
Quote from: JamesJosephs;62008
Paulo Vannuchi is a personal friend of the Ribeiros and has been in the tank for the Brazilian family from Day 1.
 
Despite being head of the Brazilian Central Authority that is responsible for processing and administration of Hague cases on behalf of LBPs, Vannuchi made some outrageous statements on the public record in the last year in which he called for a "negotiated settlement" that would ensure the "permanence" of Sean in Brazil.
 
He is one of the many villains in this story and should be ignored.

I think I got it, basically he is saying that even though Sean was returned under the Hague (litigant spirit), that he will work to make sure this continues until they allow Sean to be 'heard'.
 
He is basically blowing smoke, since now that Sean is back in the US, the NJ custody agreement is in full force.
 
Nice letter, no teeth, good try - see ya.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: JamesJosephs on December 29, 2009, 11:23:46 AM
Quote from: ProudDaddy;62010
In plain Portuguese it says that the Brazilian Government will help the Brazilian family (Granny and Chiara, I guess) to have visitation rights to the boy in US, under the provisions of the Hague Convention. Cristal clear (at least to me).
The question is: what provisions the HC offers in this situation?:nixweiss:

None, the Hague Convention states that all matters related to custody/visitation issues will be under the jurisdiction of the family courts in the country of habitual residence.  
 
Hague Convention has nothing to do with custody and visitation.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: todez on December 29, 2009, 11:32:18 AM
Let the family try.  If Sean does speak, it won't matter anymore.  Besides, he'll probably tell Cruela that he loves it in the U.S. with his father and doesn't want to go back to the smothering psychological torture she and the rest of the the clan were and continue to practice.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: jl2saint on December 29, 2009, 11:42:24 AM
Quote from: ProudDaddy;62010
In plain Portuguese it says that the Brazilian Government will help the Brazilian family (Granny and Chiara, I guess) to have visitation rights to the boy in US, under the provisions of the Hague Convention. Cristal clear (at least to me).
The question is: what provisions the HC offers in this situation?:nixweiss:

I don't know.........But I'm willing to bet that Sean's visitation is going to based out of a court in NJ and will have nothing to do w/ the HC.......
 
If I'm wrong, correct me............
 
And Granny has no rights IMO in NJ and considering the rulings in Brazil about PAS and the spectacle they created at the handover, they will be hard pressed to force anything.......
 
It's going to be what Dave thinks is best for Sean.....as it should be ..........
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Shar on December 29, 2009, 12:30:11 PM
http://www.app.com/article/20091229/NEWS/91229013/David-Goldman--Sean-talk-about-their-first-day-at-Tinton-Falls-home
 
Quote:
"Sean asked his father to take him ice skating," Quigley added. "I think that's a good sign."

Sean's grandfather, Barry Goldman, said he spoke with David this morning who told him, "things are going great."
 
I love this!  It tells me Sean's excited about experiencing life with his Dad in the U.S.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: rbenny on December 29, 2009, 12:34:30 PM
The Dark Side is on a Super Sonic train approaching the end of the tracks. Everyone has told them that the tracks are closed and the ride is over, they even admitted it. They refuse to listen to anyone, as they are known for doing what they want.

My advise is this, LET THEM continue down the track. There is nowhere to go and we will witness the crash first hand.
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Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Wendy on December 29, 2009, 12:38:33 PM
Quote from: JamesJosephs;62015
None, the Hague Convention states that all matters related to custody/visitation issues will be under the jurisdiction of the family courts in the country of habitual residence.
 
Hague Convention has nothing to do with custody and visitation.

This is absolutely correct...as far as the Hague is concerned, this case is closed. Sean has been returned to his "place of habitual residence" where custody and/or visitation is to be decided.  
 
By "kidnapping" Sean, Bruna forfeited her "rights" to custody and sole custody was awarded to David in NJ.  The Hague Convention has now (FINALLY) been respected by Brazil and Sean has been returned...there is nothing more that the Hague can do for those animals.  
 
However, as far as I know they are still able to file for custody and/or visitation rights in the U.S.  So as much as we would like to believe this is over for David, the recent actions by those moronic people show me that they are not going to simply give up.  Even tho David has agreed to allow contact with them, they do not trust that he will uphold that promise because they themselves would never do it.  They do not understand love and human decency so they are incapable of believing David when he says he will allow contact.
 
Should David be concerned?  I would be...mostly that this nightmare hasn't 'quite' ended and he's going to have to deal with that psychotic woman's pleas in a NJ court.  It never ceases to amaze me how little those animals care for Sean...it's all about them, their reputation, their saving of face, and the continuation of their "fame" even if it makes them look like complete and utter idiots!
 
Sad for them,...tragic for Sean.  If I were David, my first step would be to order psychological evaluations in the U.S. as the first step in deciding visitation....only because any sane psychologist would tell the judge that they're insane and should not be permitted anywhere NEAR Sean!!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: shaine on December 29, 2009, 12:55:26 PM
It's a great sign that Sean is asking to do things he remembers.
It shows that he's open to the change, and adapting.
I feel if he truly didn't want to go with his father, and they state, he would have been acting out almost immediately. Instead he's been very open with this.
Even telling Nonna that he was very happy.
I did notice though, in one of the videos that Sean was holding a box of tissues. Which I feel is another good sign, as he's not shut off emotionally from any of this.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: cm on December 29, 2009, 12:56:47 PM
Quote from: Wendy;62057
This is absolutely correct...as far as the Hague is concerned, this case is closed. Sean has been returned to his "place of habitual residence" where custody and/or visitation is to be decided.
 
By "kidnapping" Sean, Bruna forfeited her "rights" to custody and sole custody was awarded to David in NJ. The Hague Convention has now (FINALLY) been respected by Brazil and Sean has been returned...there is nothing more that the Hague can do for those animals.
 
However, as far as I know they are still able to file for custody and/or visitation rights in the U.S. So as much as we would like to believe this is over for David, the recent actions by those moronic people show me that they are not going to simply give up. Even tho David has agreed to allow contact with them, they do not trust that he will uphold that promise because they themselves would never do it. They do not understand love and human decency so they are incapable of believing David when he says he will allow contact.
 
Should David be concerned? I would be...mostly that this nightmare hasn't 'quite' ended and he's going to have to deal with that psychotic woman's pleas in a NJ court. It never ceases to amaze me how little those animals care for Sean...it's all about them, their reputation, their saving of face, and the continuation of their "fame" even if it makes them look like complete and utter idiots!
 
Sad for them,...tragic for Sean. If I were David, my first step would be to order psychological evaluations in the U.S. as the first step in deciding visitation....only because any sane psychologist would tell the judge that they're insane and should not be permitted anywhere NEAR Sean!!

The advantage to any legal battle here in the US - There won't be any 'he said - she said'. Just role the tapes.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Wendy on December 29, 2009, 12:59:12 PM
Quote from: cmdealin;62068
The advantage to any legal battle here in the US - There won't be any 'he said - she said'. Just role the tapes.

I agree totally...they don't have a leg to stand on in a NJ court...the point is that David and Sean can't just get on with their lives together. There will be court dates to deal with, psychological evaluations probably....Cruella and Testes just can't let Sean be happy because that wouldn't just mean fail for them but EPIC FAIL and they are not capable of accepting that.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Shar on December 29, 2009, 01:02:56 PM
The ruling that sent Sean home was precedent setting in Brazil. I'm concerned that Tostes, JPLeS and Silvana could overturn it, allowing kidnapped children to testify regarding their "desires." This CAN'T happen!

I don't believe it could ever have an effect on Sean's case, but what about the other 60 kidnapped children in Brazil and their LBPs? I believe these people still need to be fought and countered until they've gone away. Hopefully, the full Supreme Court will laugh at them when it reconvenes in Feb.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Shar on December 29, 2009, 01:05:42 PM
And he had his cat on his shoulder...another warm and fuzzy connection to his roots!
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: shaine on December 29, 2009, 01:05:43 PM
Quote from: Wendy;62057

However, as far as I know they are still able to file for custody and/or visitation rights in the U.S. So as much as we would like to believe this is over for David, the recent actions by those moronic people show me that they are not going to simply give up. Even tho David has agreed to allow contact with them, they do not trust that he will uphold that promise because they themselves would never do it. They do not understand love and human decency so they are incapable of believing David when he says he will allow contact.

 
There are no "Grandparents Laws" in New Jersey if I am not mistaken. So they would be wasting their time & money.
Only if David (and psycholgists) agrees to visitation can it occur. And as we've all pretty much figured, they won't be seeing him anytime soon.
He needs to become grounded here first. And then they can work on a visitation schedule to be done more then likely here in the US, near David, under close supervision.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: alleycat on December 29, 2009, 01:07:42 PM
Quote from: LDJVR;61874
Seems like I remember hearing that Bruna told David he would never get Sean back and he could spend all money trying. Anyway, I was just thinking, that's exactly what Toast is going to do to Silvana. He's going to get every last dime of her money!

 
 
Yup, and I hope that eagled eyed , bald headed butt hole takes it all.  
sean ain't goin no where . He is here to stay Granny cruella .  They need to put these sob's down like the dog's they are.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: shaine on December 29, 2009, 01:07:44 PM
Quote from: Shar;62072
The ruling that sent Sean home was precedent setting in Brazil. I'm concerned that Tostes, JPLeS and Silvana could overturn it, allowing kidnapped children to testify regarding their "desires." This CAN'T happen!
 
I don't believe it could ever have an effect on Sean's case, but what about the other 60 kidnapped children in Brazil and their LBPs? I believe these people still need to be fought and countered until they've gone away. Hopefully, the full Supreme Court will laugh at them when it reconvenes in Feb.

 
I would hope that in the cases of children speaking about where they want to be is not allowed, unless they are of the age to do so.
Could you image someone demanding a 2 year old to be heard by the courts, because it was allowed?
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: noah3698 on December 29, 2009, 01:08:04 PM
Quote from: Shar;62072
The ruling that sent Sean home was precedent setting in Brazil. I'm concerned that Tostes, JPLeS and Silvana could overturn it, allowing kidnapped children to testify regarding their "desires." This CAN'T happen!
 
I don't believe it could ever have an effect on Sean's case, but what about the other 60 kidnapped children in Brazil and their LBPs? I believe these people still need to be fought and countered until they've gone away. Hopefully, the full Supreme Court will laugh at them when it reconvenes in Feb.

I am hoping that the opposite has happened and that Sean and David's case shows that abducted children should not be heard in HC cases because of the influence of the abducting parent.  The wording in the HC would have to be changed if children were to be heard.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 29, 2009, 01:20:52 PM
Quote from: Shar;62074
And he had his cat on his shoulder...another warm and fuzzy connection to his roots!



Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: lovellboys on December 29, 2009, 01:24:49 PM
Quote from: shaine;62075
There are no "Grandparents Laws" in New Jersey if I am not mistaken. So they would be wasting their time & money.
Only if David (and psycholgists) agrees to visitation can it occur. And as we've all pretty much figured, they won't be seeing him anytime soon.
He needs to become grounded here first. And then they can work on a visitation schedule to be done more then likely here in the US, near David, under close supervision.

I believe there are laws in NJ to help grandparents obtain visitation, but nothing in my research even comes close to making a determination after a Hague return.  
 
I did find that the petitioning party must prove that vistiation is in the child's best interest and will not interfere with the parental bond.  Ding Ding!
 
It is up to David.  Though should they decide to pursue things though the courts, the parental alienation trump card can be pulled.  They best sit on their derrier's and pray.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: sue on December 29, 2009, 01:31:59 PM
I hope the media goes away soon so they can go out and play in the snow alone.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: siajeannie on December 29, 2009, 01:36:42 PM
Quote from: Claudia.Hope;61924
OOpsss...Pera ai...Voces estao fazendo uma "pequena" confusao
Uma coisa e a autorizacao de viagem expedida no Brasil para o menor viajar acompanhado ou desacompanhado, neste caso pai e mae tem que ir ao juizado de menores com seus documentos e solicitar a autorizacao. Se um dos pais viaja, o outro tem que dar a autorizacao.
 
No exterior, e o mesmo mecanismo, os dois pais tem que comparecer pessoalmente. Independente do pai ou mae serem estrangeiros.
O que mudou no Brasil ( mas no exterior ja esta me vigor ha 1 ano) e a obrigatoriedade da foto e mais...com o novo passaporte azul ( biometrico) os dados dos pais sao todos escaneados, o pai estrangeiro tem que ir pessoalmente, se identificar e assinar na frente de um agente consular!
O problema nao foi na autorizacao que o David assinou, ele assinou pessoalmente, acredito, e de boa fe. Mas o que ele deu foi uma AUTORIZACAO DE VIAGEM, com tempo determinado de validade, e era para as ferias.Nada impede que uma crianca viaje com a autorizacao do pai ausente.
O problema todo foram o juizes, e/ou o governo terem demorado 5 anos para cumprir a Convencao de Haia.

Obrigada, Claudia. Agora ficou mais claro. Mesmo assim, parece-me que a mudança não é significativa, sendo que, anteriormente, precisava-se da presença dos pais (que eu saiba) pessoalmente autorizando a viagem. E também, que eu saiba, essa autorização era para cada viagem. Por exemplo, meus pais tinham que pedir autorização cada vez um de nós viajava e era assim também em vôos nacionais o que causava tremendo estresse aos pais e a nós que trabalhavámos em Congonhas. Nem sempre um dois pais estava presente.

Ainda tenho um pouco de confusão sobre o assunto mas entendi que agora requerem-se mais documentos. Enfim, em relação ao caso de David, essa mudança não tem nada a ver com o caso. O garoto foi ao Brasil com autorização por tempo limitado, porém a mãe, uma vez no Brasil, não pode/poderia, sendo casada ainda com ele, viajar sem autorização. Parece que ela assim o fez, com o padrastro, inclusive ao exterior. O que normalmente seria coisa impossível!!! E nem precisava ter sido documento falso... já que a "justiça" brasileira concedeu o divórcio de Bruna sem mesmo a autorização do David e também quase mudou o nome do garoto no cartório para o do padrasto, após falecimento da mãe! Uma simples autorização, na época, não teria sido problema pra eles. Agora não, já que o garoto está aqui e se alguém um dia tentar retirá-lo seria fácilmente interceptado (ou pelo menos, isso é o que já gente pode esperar).

Um grande abraço!

Simone
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Ellacott on December 29, 2009, 01:42:25 PM
Quote from: Shar;62074
And he had his cat on his shoulder...another warm and fuzzy connection to his roots!

That's great.  Even the cat was glad to see him.  Some cats are finnicky and won't sit on just anybody.  They have to feel comfortable around you to do that. :)
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: carina on December 29, 2009, 01:47:28 PM
I agree with a lot that was said here... so I won't repeat you all again.

But here is what I was thinking... Don't these people have ANYone around them with an ounce of common sense?? Seriously, someone has to tell them when enough is enough, and especially  when they already   have made such fools of themselves. In that big and "prestigious"  circle of "friends" no one is capable of saying ENOUGH GRANDMA, MOVE ON. I just find it unbelievable!!!!

Focus on Sean Nona for once in you life and let the hate and this competition that you have created for yourself go.!!!! :eek:
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Kymra on December 29, 2009, 02:00:01 PM
Quote from: carina;62104
I agree with a lot that was said here... so I won't repeat you all again.
 
But here is what I was thinking... Don't these people have ANYone around them with an ounce of common sense?? Seriously, someone has to tell them when enough is enough, and especially when they already have made such fools of themselves. In that big and "prestigious" circle of "friends" no one is capable of saying ENOUGH GRANDMA, MOVE ON. I just find it unbelievable!!!!
 
Focus on Sean Nona for once in you life and let the hate and this competition that you have created for yourself go.!!!! :eek:

I couldn't agree with you more.  I am mortified by these people's behavior.  They should be ashamed, and embarassed at how they have treated David and Sean, in front the whole world, no less.  
 
I would honestly spit in that woman's face if I got close enough to her, and I am completely serious!
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: ssmom on December 29, 2009, 02:02:58 PM
Good luck.  Now that Sean is in the US, anything the Brazil legal system rules won't have to be enforced here.  David is the legal father in the US, end of story.  If they want to keep wasting their money on legal fees, let them.

Stupid fools.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: pa350z on December 29, 2009, 02:04:33 PM
Well.... I expected this. Its will not be over for Sean until he is 18 years old. While the dark side is doing this in Brazil... just wait until they hire an Attorney in NJ that is willing to represent them here!! That is coming, no doubt about it. Just like David hired an attorney in Brazil. They will try to bastardize the american justice system too. Stay tuned folks, this is not over.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: ssmom on December 29, 2009, 02:13:43 PM
Quote from: pa350z;62112
Well.... I expected this. Its will not be over for Sean until he is 18 years old. While the dark side is doing this in Brazil... just wait until they hire an Attorney in NJ that is willing to represent them here!! That is coming, no doubt about it. Just like David hired an attorney in Brazil. They will try to bastardize the american justice system too. Stay tuned folks, this is not over.


It won't matter, they have no legal leg to stand on in the US.  David is the legal father.  Unless they can prove he's unfit, the courts would never award custody to a grandparent over him.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Ellacott on December 29, 2009, 02:27:14 PM
According to this link David will meet with the press in his lawyers office at 3pm today.
 
http://www.app.com/article/20091229/NEWS/91229013/David-Goldman--Sean-talk-about-their-first-day-at-Tinton-Falls-home
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: GTfan on December 29, 2009, 02:33:57 PM
Anyone know what networks will air the interview with David at 3pm??
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: ChristineS on December 29, 2009, 02:33:57 PM
Quote from: gail;62096
I hope the media goes away soon so they can go out and play in the snow alone.

We had unbelievable rain here a few days ago, and all the snow has melted.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Ellacott on December 29, 2009, 02:41:40 PM
Quote from: GTfan;62118
Anyone know what networks will air the interview with David at 3pm??

I don't know but I was thinking that MSNBC would be there since they've been there for everything else.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: caique mateus on December 29, 2009, 02:43:48 PM
Quote from: lovellboys;62093

I did find that the petitioning party must prove that vistiation is in the child's best interest and will not interfere with the parental bond. Ding Ding!
 

AHA!!! Now I understand why crazy nona trid to set visitation rules BEFORE delivering Sean, without any court in the middle. She probably knew she would have to "prove that vistiation is in the child's best interest and will not interfere with the parental bond", which she knows it's SO not.
 
Also, that's why she is trying the Brazilian government to set it for her (just because she is sooooo special) instead of hiring a lawyer to do it.
 
By the way, she already has a lawyer in US right? What's the big deal?
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: MargoPolo on December 29, 2009, 02:48:49 PM
Anyone know where we can watch the press conference online?
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: tstravis on December 29, 2009, 02:56:16 PM
this reminds me of the saying...
 
It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
 
..or something like that... with this action, Tostes and the brazilian family have certainly removed ALL DOUBT. he/they are making international FOOLS OF THEMSELVES.
 
As for David, i really truly believe we dont need to worry about visitation for sylvana in the US. He said he doesnt want to do to them what they did to him, but he KNOWS - more than any of us know - how crazy these people are. He knows, FIRST AND FOREMOST, that Sean's safety and well-being come before anything else. He will know what to do. i agree that he should be careful, but i believe he knows this too.
 
so, its all good! Sean is safe, David knows what to do. we shouldnt worry...
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Genenut on December 29, 2009, 02:57:56 PM
Quote from: ChristineS;62119
We had unbelievable rain here a few days ago, and all the snow has melted.
there may be more coming for the new year (i know we got 4 inches yesterday and more is coming for thursday/friday) .... christening everything magically white for Sean to go sledding in...
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: GTfan on December 29, 2009, 03:02:49 PM
FOX is showing the the interview with David... Lawyer is speaking now.. :)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Abarbato19 on December 29, 2009, 03:03:40 PM
can we view it online?
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Abarbato19 on December 29, 2009, 03:07:01 PM
you can view it on foxs website at http://www.foxnews.com/ under watch live!
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Irish17 on December 29, 2009, 03:07:36 PM
First, when did David & Sean return to NJ? I have not heard this as of today. I thought for sure that they would be staying in Florida for a while more; especialy due to the weather differences....
 
As for the dark side to appeal. Patricia Appey very clearly said on the Today show December 28th that the legal part of the case, the court case is now over in Brazil. Every report in Brazil has her phone number if anything else happens, yet the legal part is over.  David went as far as to tell Sylvania, the maternal grandmother, that he will not do to her, what she did to him for 5 1/2 years. Thus when the dust is settled, all of the media attention is over, everyone agrees that Sean is ready for visits from them, David will allow the visitations to begin.  For now, they should be happy to be able to receive the texts, the phone messages, etc. Enough is enough.
 
My 2cents......toastes & company are still trying to find a way to accept defeat in this case. JPLS did not say a word until now it is all over. I wonder if he even cares or if he is being made to talk about by Sylvania? I truly don't believe that there is a judge in Brazil who is going to against the ruling that was handed down on December 23, 2009 by the president of the supreme court.  I see this article, I read it, I get a little anxious, then I remember what Patricia Appey said and I let it go. Its over, time to move on Toastes & company!!!!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Ellacott on December 29, 2009, 03:08:38 PM
Also on abc.  Most streams are blocked on my job.  Hopefully there's a link later.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: siajeannie on December 29, 2009, 03:12:43 PM
Quote from: GTfan;62133
FOX is showing the the interview with David... Lawyer is speaking now.. :)

Thank you so much! I saw it... unfortunately, I missed some of the lawyer statement and now they cut David's. Still, I am so happy to hear what I heard.... :clapping:

Ok, now I need to get back to work.

A TRUE MIRACLE!!! Love conquers it all.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: tomas on December 29, 2009, 03:17:46 PM
hopefully David imposes "rules" on visitation like those which were imposed on him

he better have someone watching them with an eagle eye when they come visit
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: GTfan on December 29, 2009, 03:18:04 PM
its still airing online http://abcnews.go.com/  (http://abcnews.go.com/)
or http://www.foxnews.com/ (http://www.foxnews.com/)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Sandra on December 29, 2009, 03:19:53 PM
Some news also hier:

http://www.app.com/article/20091229/NEWS/91229013/Goldman-to-hold-news-conference-3-p.m.-today
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Ellacott on December 29, 2009, 03:23:50 PM
Finally found a link that works at my job
 
http://cbs4.com/
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: POTTERD2 on December 29, 2009, 03:36:40 PM
I am sure that this is not over in Brazil, and that family will also try their legal avenues here in the States.  But the case in Brazil wasn't about custody of Sean.  The Hague Treaty is more about which country decides on the custody in these abduction cases.  Our courts already ruled that David should have custody of Sean.  Given that his mother has passed away, David is really the only one that SHOULD have custody. Absent of domestic violence, abuse or molestation there should never be a reason to trump any parents custodial rights to their child when the other parent is gone.
 
Now that Sen is back here in the states, I don't really think it matters what they decide in Brazil.  Even if they decided that they were wrong (which I don't believe can happen) they have no legal way to tell us to send him back.
 
The grandmother can attempt to ask for specific defined visitation rights, but that also would be a long shot.  JPLS wouldn't even be allowed to ask as he does not have the "Standing" to petition the court for visitation as he is not even a relative to Sean.
 
Grandparents rights in the US are becoming harder and harder to obtain, there is even a Supreme Court case (Troxel vs Granville).  The 14th Amendment protects our rights against excessive state infringment, and that Supreme Court Decision helped show that taking away a parents right to decide who their child should be around is excessive state infringement.  
 
I am glad that David is taking the high road and still intends on allowing some visitation.  I certainly wouldn't allow my son out of the country or un supervised around them though.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Ellacott on December 29, 2009, 03:41:48 PM
David thanked this forum for all the support he received.
 
David and his attorney encouraged the media not to forget about all the other LBPs.
Title: David Goldman holds a Press Conference
Post by: carolm on December 29, 2009, 03:43:42 PM
Never mind... Missed this thread and apparently missed the whole press conference and just caught the tail end of Fox's 'watch live' thing...
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Sandra on December 29, 2009, 03:43:55 PM
I saw I think the last 10 min. Amazing! Dr. Patricia Apy asked the media to keep helping all the LBPs. Fantastic interview. And David is smiling so naturally, so easily ... he looks even younger and lighter.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: lovellboys on December 29, 2009, 03:44:19 PM
I watched the Q&A on ABC. David and Apy were excellent. Especially when they mentioned that they would like to media to continue to assist the other LBP's and their children with their coverage. Let's hope Sean return does 'act as a catalyst' for the enforcement of the Hague in Brazil and worldwide.
 
Sean does not like soccer - go figure. I am sure there will be moments, but darned if he is fitting in perfectly with the family - as if he never left.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: kim in socal on December 29, 2009, 03:45:34 PM
WOW..missed the beginning but it was great! Very emotional and covered everything from parenting, to HR3240, to other kids still on the list...WOW again!!!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: averntula on December 29, 2009, 03:46:59 PM
hey could you please let me know what he is saying because I dont have audio on this computer.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: heather on December 29, 2009, 03:48:42 PM
It was so good to see those big smiles on David's face.  Very refreshing and a great way to start off my new year.  This gives me even more drive to continue helping many more LBP in bringing huge smiles to their faces as well.  I can't wait!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: pam.in.ny on December 29, 2009, 03:51:37 PM
Quote from: GTfan;62142
its still airing online http://abcnews.go.com/  (http://abcnews.go.com/)
or http://www.foxnews.com/ (http://www.foxnews.com/)

Will the entire news conference be embedded somewhere online? I was with a client and missed all but the last couple minutes.

Thanks,
Pam
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: sandy on December 29, 2009, 03:53:05 PM
Quote from: heather;62160
It was so good to see those big smiles on David's face. Very refreshing and a great way to start off my new year. This gives me even more drive to continue helping many more LBP in bringing huge smiles to their faces as well. I can't wait!
:yeahthat:
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: JonathanR on December 29, 2009, 04:11:07 PM
Quote from: POTTERD2;62152
I am sure that this is not over in Brazil, and that family will also try their legal avenues here in the States. But the case in Brazil wasn't about custody of Sean. The Hague Treaty is more about which country decides on the custody in these abduction cases. Our courts already ruled that David should have custody of Sean. Given that his mother has passed away, David is really the only one that SHOULD have custody. Absent of domestic violence, abuse or molestation there should never be a reason to trump any parents custodial rights to their child when the other parent is gone.
 
Now that Sen is back here in the states, I don't really think it matters what they decide in Brazil. Even if they decided that they were wrong (which I don't believe can happen) they have no legal way to tell us to send him back.
 
The grandmother can attempt to ask for specific defined visitation rights, but that also would be a long shot. JPLS wouldn't even be allowed to ask as he does not have the "Standing" to petition the court for visitation as he is not even a relative to Sean.
 
Grandparents rights in the US are becoming harder and harder to obtain, there is even a Supreme Court case (Troxel vs Granville). The 14th Amendment protects our rights against excessive state infringment, and that Supreme Court Decision helped show that taking away a parents right to decide who their child should be around is excessive state infringement.
 
I am glad that David is taking the high road and still intends on allowing some visitation. I certainly wouldn't allow my son out of the country or un supervised around them though.

 
It defies all logic for this family to think they can legally obtain anything. I mean for the love of GOD, who in their right mind thinks that they can march into a country and lay claim to a child that does not belong to them? OJ Simpson probably has a better chance of clearing his name! It's so laughable it's actually SCARY! I mean that! These are dangerous, virulent freaks of nature.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: kim in socal on December 29, 2009, 04:14:39 PM
I am curious about the other cases Patricia Apy was talking about in the press conference. I think they are also from New Jersey but are not to Brazil. I see a lot more work to be done but not sure what I should work on first, any tips??? (My congresswoman was an original sponsor for HR3240)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: noah3698 on December 29, 2009, 04:26:58 PM
Quote from: pam.in.ny;62161
Will the entire news conference be embedded somewhere online? I was with a client and missed all but the last couple minutes.
 
Thanks,
Pam

I missed it too.  Hopefully someone will post a link soon....
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: tnajk on December 29, 2009, 04:49:29 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/david-goldman-sons-return-jersey-seamless/story?id=9443653

Not sure if this is it, I'm getting ready to watch it...

No video, but the article is nice and sums up the press conference.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: shaine on December 29, 2009, 04:56:43 PM
I like this bit, now if she would just be happy for Sean, and stop the mindless battle:
 
 
Bianchi said she spoke to Sean today and the conversation reassured her that the boy was all right.
"I am more comfortable now because he's OK with his dad. He told me it's cold, he's sitting by the fireplace and he's playing. I think he's doing OK there and that makes me feel better," she said.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: noah3698 on December 29, 2009, 05:20:17 PM
Quote from: tnajk;62176
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/david-goldman-sons-return-jersey-seamless/story?id=9443653
 
Not sure if this is it, I'm getting ready to watch it...
 
No video, but the article is nice and sums up the press conference.

ABC is just clueless.  This is the caption under the picture of JPLS leading Sean through the media circus to the US consluate.....
 
"David Goldman and his son Sean make their way to the U.S. consulate in Brazil. "
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: GTfan on December 29, 2009, 05:24:34 PM
playing part of the news conference http://www.livestream.com/asbury_park_press_video
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Wendy on December 29, 2009, 05:30:46 PM
SEAN DOESN'T LIKE SOCCER!!! HA!! Stick that in your pipe JP!!
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: nina on December 29, 2009, 05:32:51 PM
Quote from: rbenny;62054
The Dark Side is on a Super Sonic train approaching the end of the tracks.


:D
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Wendy on December 29, 2009, 05:36:33 PM
Patricia Appy said that JPLS et Slime and Granny Whackjob will be expected to compensate David...and not the government of Brazil.  If I'm not mistaken, shouldn't the AGU in Brazil be picking up the legal expenses as part of the Hague??
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: nina on December 29, 2009, 05:39:10 PM
Quote from: GTfan;62142
its still airing online http://abcnews.go.com/  (http://abcnews.go.com/)
or http://www.foxnews.com/ (http://www.foxnews.com/)

I loved it! David looks soooo "alive"!!!!:)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Wendy on December 29, 2009, 05:43:04 PM
OMG what an AMAZING INTERVIEW!! David and Patricia really hit the nail on the head and pushed for the media to stay on top of this issue!! And how amazing to see David smiling!!!!! Something odd happened at the end there tho...sounded like someone got annoyed.
 
I LOVE the Asbury Park Press!!
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: Aida on December 29, 2009, 05:46:33 PM
Quote from: Bob D'Amico;61886
The Brazilian Supreme Court will have to reject or dismiss this latest appeal otherwise they change the whole rule of law established (and often ignored) by the Hague Convention.
 
I don't think the Brazilian Supreme Court will want to go there.
 
IMPOSSIBLE for any appeals in New Jersey State or Federal Courts. They are only the grandparents they have ZERO rights. No one in Brazil has any rights, not even the "socio-affective" father, Joao Paulo Lins e Silva.
 
And just think they invited David to Christmas dinner during that press conference! The one where Tostes read the invitation and then immediately threatened to destroy David.
 
The only person they are hurting with all this ongoing crap is Sean. David is not stupid.

:yeahthat::clapping::clapping:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 29, 2009, 05:49:52 PM
Great words and analysis from both David and Patricia. He was very clear about the linemen-of-planets that made for a successful outcome, including the actions of those here, to whom David had the most kind and uplifting words.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: hmjarc on December 29, 2009, 05:52:45 PM
Does anyone know where I can find the press conference?  I missed it and would love to watch it!!
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean immediate return
Post by: faeryquene on December 29, 2009, 05:53:02 PM
Quote from: JonathanR;61904
margaret, where do you find such great icons? they're spectacular!! :D
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(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/ShaposOneArmBeamStand/Blinkies/Smilie20-20offtopic2-1.gif) They were acquired over the years from various sources while I was incognito.(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/ShaposOneArmBeamStand/Blinkies/spy-1.gif)

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/ShaposOneArmBeamStand/Blinkies/focus-1.gif)
Due to their recent ravings I went out and found a couch (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/ShaposOneArmBeamStand/Blinkies/emote_couch.gif) and a good therapist (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/ShaposOneArmBeamStand/Blinkies/lucythedoctorisin.jpg)
for a certain InfamyGlia and their attorney TotallyNuts. If that doesn't work, and they don't shut up already I can always go out and find a muzzle (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/ShaposOneArmBeamStand/Blinkies/tape2-1.gif) and chains to whip some sense into them. (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/ShaposOneArmBeamStand/Blinkies/whipit.jpg)
And if THAT doesn't work then it's OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/ShaposOneArmBeamStand/Blinkies/guillotinegif.jpg)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: GTfan on December 29, 2009, 05:53:35 PM
Quote from: hmjarc;62207
Does anyone know where I can find the press conference? I missed it and would love to watch it!!

 
Part of the News Conference with David and his lawyer

http://video.foxnews.com/12934436/so-happy/ (http://video.foxnews.com/12934436/so-happy/)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 29, 2009, 05:57:03 PM
Quote from: GTfan;62209
Part of the News Conference with David and his lawyer

http://video.foxnews.com/12934436/so-happy/ (http://video.foxnews.com/12934436/so-happy/)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Grace on December 29, 2009, 06:02:02 PM
This is incredible. Great job David!!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: nina on December 29, 2009, 06:08:51 PM
David Goldman says he will try to recover $ 500K spent on court battle

Family Lawyer says Brazilian ad 'reveals the character' of David.
Sean and his father spent the first day in the house where they will live in the USA.

At a press conference on Tuesday (29) in the U.S., David Goldman, father of Sean Goldman, said he spent about $ 500 thousand in the legal battle he had with the family of the boy's mother. According to his lawyer, David will ask the Brazilian family, the compensation for that value.

Sergio Tostes, Silvana Bianchi's lawyer, the boy's grandmother, said to Globo (news) that the ad "shows the character" of David Goldman.


 Court

The family's lawyer Brazilian Sergio Tostes, responded by the biological father of the boy on the court. According to him, "this statement is not surprising, and shows only the pecuniary interest of Mr. David Goldman. All he did was not the interest of the child, was pecuniary interest. "

The lawyer also said that David finds it odd to charge for the costs, since the lawsuit would have been promoted by the Federal Government. "The Federal Government spent taxpayers' money and he is demanding of the lawyer."

To Tostes, the statement "reveals the character of David." The lawyer explained that if the parent enter this request for compensation, the action would have to be promoted in Brazil, where he made the whole process of Sean.

BLA BLA BLA BLA
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Gaucho on December 29, 2009, 06:10:18 PM
Mr. Tostes just said "por favor" (please) and  "respeitem a familia" (respect the family) and the policeman said "abram caminho" (open a way).

I have seen this video live, in a local TV.

But who was the Brasilian lawyer of David?
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Wendy on December 29, 2009, 06:11:27 PM
I am grinning from ear to ear!! I'm not a weeper thankfully or I'd be bawling!!  My cheeks hurt from smiling so much. I am SO INCREDIBLY happy for David and Sean.  He talked about hearing Seans footsteps coming down the stairs in the morning and I could almost understand what an amazing feeling that must have been for him!!!  
 
And I'm REALLY happy to hear that he's letting Sean use HIS cell-phone and not the two that granny creepster provided!!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Bill33 on December 29, 2009, 06:12:48 PM
Thanks for the video B4J!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 29, 2009, 06:14:37 PM
Quote from: nina;62214
David Goldman says he will try to recover $ 500K spent on court battle

Family Lawyer says Brazilian ad 'reveals the character' of David.
Sean and his father spent the first day in the house where they will live in the USA.(...)
What ad?  Where is this coming from?
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Wendy on December 29, 2009, 06:15:04 PM
Quote from: nina;62214
Sergio Tostes, Silvana Bianchi's lawyer, the boy's grandmother, said to Globo (news) that the ad "shows the character" of David Goldman.
 
 
Court
 
The family's lawyer Brazilian Sergio Tostes, responded by the biological father of the boy on the court. According to him, "this statement is not surprising, and shows only the pecuniary interest of Mr. David Goldman. All he did was not the interest of the child, was pecuniary interest. "
 
To Tostes, the statement "reveals the character of David." The lawyer explained that if the parent enter this request for compensation, the action would have to be promoted in Brazil, where he made the whole process of Sean.
 
BLA BLA BLA BLA

Gosh...some people just don't know when to shut the hell up!!!  Ok..so you creatons kidnapped Sean...then you forced him to spend 500K in his efforts to get Sean back...and NOW you think he should just let you off scott free and not expect compenstation so that he can raise Sean in a financially stable environment?
 
Toastes really is the scum of the earth!  The stuff on the bottom of my shoe has more class than that jacka$$!! :cloud::burn::burn::madgo::madgo::mad2::mad2:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 29, 2009, 06:16:37 PM
Quote from: nina;62214
(...)Sergio Tostes, Silvana Bianchi's lawyer, the boy's grandmother, said to Globo (news) that the ad "shows the character" of David Goldman. (...)
What ad?  Where is this coming from?
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: lovellboys on December 29, 2009, 06:17:15 PM
Quote from: BrazilianForJustice;62219
What ad?  Where is this coming from?


If I recall correctly, David did not state this - Apy did.  There is a provision provided under the Hague to compensate the LBP for their legal fees.

Perhaps Tostes has never heard of this document, The Hague, but he should take my advice, find a copy and read through it thoroughly.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 29, 2009, 06:22:44 PM
Quote from: nina;62214
David Goldman says he will try to recover $ 500K spent on court battle

Brazilian  Family Lawyer says announcement 'reveals the character' of David.
Sean and his father spent the first day in the house where they will live in the USA.

At a press conference on Tuesday (29) in the U.S., David Goldman, father of Sean Goldman, said he spent about $ 500 thousand in the legal battle he had with the family of the boy's mother. According to his lawyer, David will ask the Brazilian family, the compensation for that value.

Sergio Tostes, Silvana Bianchi's lawyer, the boy's grandmother, said to Globo (news) that the announcement "shows the character" of David Goldman.


 Court

The family's lawyer Brazilian Sergio Tostes, responded to the biological father of the boy on the court. According to him, "this statement is not surprising, and shows only the pecuniary interest of Mr. David Goldman. All he did was not the interest of the child, was pecuniary interest. "

The lawyer also said that David finds it odd to charge for the costs, since the lawsuit would have been promoted by the Federal Government. "The Federal Government spent taxpayers' money and he is demanding of the lawyer."

To Tostes, the statement "reveals the character of David." The lawyer explained that if the parent enter this request for compensation, the action would have to be promoted in Brazil, where he made the whole process of Sean.

BLA BLA BLA BLA
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: nina on December 29, 2009, 06:27:20 PM


Link from Globo http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2009/12/29/caso-sean-advogada-de-david-goldman-diz-que-pedira-ressarcimento-de-us-500-mil-familia-brasileira-do-menino-915400011.asp

:burn:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Chuckles on December 29, 2009, 06:27:23 PM
Thanks again for straightening out the translations and posting the videos, B4J.
:)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 29, 2009, 06:28:35 PM
Shouldn't the Brazilian state be next in line to recover taxpayer costs incurred in fighting to wrestle the child from the kidnappers?
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 29, 2009, 06:34:26 PM
First day at home, 6 below zero (centigrades), Sean getting acclimated to the place, the food (sic). Father David (no longer biologic, uff!) made breakfast and father and son stayed home playing video games. Sean asked to go ice skating, according to a family friend.

Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: lovellboys on December 29, 2009, 06:38:04 PM
I hope they get left alone soon.  I hate the idea of Oglobo or any network waiting to ambush David and Sean each time they leave the house.   I understand the interest, and it was wonderful hear David today, and to see the first glimpses of Sean back home in NJ.  

Sorry, just a little nervous that there will be 'watchers' just waiting for something to report back to Brazil.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: beach247 on December 29, 2009, 06:48:00 PM
Quote from: GTfan;62195
playing part of the news conference http://www.livestream.com/asbury_park_press_video


Thanks for the link.  It showed the entire press conference.  Very, very informative.  David looked so happy.  He still got glassy eyed every time he talked about Sean.  :cheer:  

I'm also very impressed with Atty. Patricia Apy.  She was great!

http://www.livestream.com/asbury_park_press_video
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: nina on December 29, 2009, 07:08:33 PM
Quote from: nina;62230


Link from Globo http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2009/12/29/caso-sean-advogada-de-david-goldman-diz-que-pedira-ressarcimento-de-us-500-mil-familia-brasileira-do-menino-915400011.asp

:burn:


Now, a post from me to me! Still don't know how to use this forum properly!!

If you go to Globo news...now this "it shows real character of David" claim by Toxtes is on front page..

http://www.globo.com/

.....not one :burn:, but two :burn::burn:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: hmjarc on December 29, 2009, 07:10:35 PM

 
Here is the entire press conference.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Caldwell on December 29, 2009, 07:11:11 PM
Excellent press conference. Gave us just the glimpse that we needed through his eyes. I'm glad that David (no surprise!) is really limiting Sean's exposure. I hope he does not see newscasts about "this is not over". Really, though, by the end of the New Years weekend, this will NOT be news anymore, and they will be able to go about "normal" life.

And, I for one, really could give a rats azz about how this is covered in Brazil or what Tostes has to say.  We all know that Sean is NOT going anywhere AND that David is THE gatekeeper for visitation.
Title: David needs money
Post by: ronsloan on December 29, 2009, 07:14:29 PM
What was so revealing about this interview is that David has a huge debt for legal fees.  I have wondered about how David's finances have held up.  My concern is that this may prevent David from providing adequately for Sean. It may take years for David to ever recoup this money from Silvana/JPLS and in the meantime David has a serious financial burden. If I can find David's address I will send him a cheque. (Canadian spelling)  I have already sent him money through the donation link on the site but prefer to do it directly now if I can.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JamesJosephs on December 29, 2009, 07:14:44 PM
Quote from: nina;62214
Sergio Tostes, Silvana Bianchi's lawyer, the boy's grandmother, said to Globo (news) that the ad "shows the character" of David Goldman.
 
 
Court
 
The family's lawyer Brazilian Sergio Tostes, responded by the biological father of the boy on the court. According to him, "this statement is not surprising, and shows only the pecuniary interest of Mr. David Goldman. All he did was not the interest of the child, was pecuniary interest. "
 
The lawyer also said that David finds it odd to charge for the costs, since the lawsuit would have been promoted by the Federal Government. "The Federal Government spent taxpayers' money and he is demanding of the lawyer."
 
To Tostes, the statement "reveals the character of David." The lawyer explained that if the parent enter this request for compensation, the action would have to be promoted in Brazil, where he made the whole process of Sean.
 
BLA BLA BLA BLA

 
If you are unhappy with Sergio Tostes' continued character assasination of David Goldman, please contact Sueli Bonaparte, Executive Director of the Brazilian American Chamber of Commerce in New York, where Tostes is a Senior Member. The Chamber has been silent on the issue of child abduction in Brazil and its potential effects on Brazilian-American commerce, and their silence on the behavior of Sergio Tostes, former head of the Chamber, speaks volumes.
 
 
sueli@brazilcham.com (sueli@brazilcham.com)
 
info@brazilcham.com (info@brazilcham.com)
Title: Re: David needs money
Post by: beach247 on December 29, 2009, 07:20:22 PM
Quote from: ronsloan;62259
What was so revealing about this interview is that David has a huge debt for legal fees.  I have wondered about how David's finances have held up.  My concern is that this may prevent David from providing adequately for Sean. It may take years for David to ever recoup this money from Silvana/JPLS and in the meantime David has a serious financial burden. If I can find David's address I will send him a cheque. (Canadian spelling)  I have already sent him money through the donation link on the site but prefer to do it directly now if I can.


I think it's safe to assume that you can send it to "c/o Atty. Patricia Apy".  

http://www.par-law.com/
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 29, 2009, 07:23:10 PM
Quote from: JamesJosephs;62260
If you are unhappy with Sergio Tostes' continued character assasination of David Goldman, please contact Sueli Bonaparte, Executive Director of the Brazilian American Chamber of Commerce in New York, where Tostes is a Senior Member. The Chamber has been silent on the issue of child abduction in Brazil and its potential effects on Brazilian-American commerce, and their silence on the behavior of Sergio Tostes, former head of the Chamber, speaks volumes.
 
 
sueli@brazilcham.com (sueli@brazilcham.com)
 
info@brazilcham.com (info@brazilcham.com)
Tostes, single-handedly, did more than anyone to sabotage commerce between Brazil and the US. Maybe he should start the Brazilian-American Chamber to Kill Commerce...
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Julya on December 29, 2009, 07:42:15 PM
DAVID PLEASE BEWARE OF HER!!
 
she was in the conference and instead of telling all the nice things that David said, she was telling a lot of lies and said that David will ask the family for money,and they even had Tostes saying he was not suprised by it because this  is the "caracter of David" :cloud:
 
 
Quote from: BrazilianForJustice;62233
First day at home, 6 below zero (centigrades), Sean getting acclimated to the place, the food (sic). Father David (no longer biologic, uff!) made breakfast and father and son stayed home playing video games. Sean asked to go ice skating, according to a family friend.

Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: liesl78 on December 29, 2009, 07:44:47 PM
Quote from: Julya;62274
DAVID PLEASE BEWARE OF HER!!
 
she was in the conference and instead of telling all the nice things that David said, she was telling a lot of lies and said that David will ask the family for money,and they even had Tostes saying he was not suprised by it because this is the "caracter of David" :cloud:

Typical "spin" on things.
 
They neglected to say that reimbursement is under Article 26 of the HC and that Judge Pinto ordered it.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Eccaka on December 29, 2009, 07:46:05 PM
has anyone found a link for the whole press conference? I can only find clips...
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: siajeannie on December 29, 2009, 07:49:43 PM
Quote from: Julya;62274
DAVID PLEASE BEWARE OF HER!!
 
she was in the conference and instead of telling all the nice things that David said, she was telling a lot of lies and said that David will ask the family for money,and they even had Tostes saying he was not suprised by it because this  is the "caracter of David" :cloud:
:yeahthat:

I would NOT trust her or GLOBO. She might or might not be a good person but it does not matter as it comes from Globo. The way they chose to depict the news conference in the last article was NOT right. But it was an obvious take, especially coming from Globo.

Again, someone from BSH please advise David of this reporter. He got a business card from her and she was "all nice' to him in order to get a future interview. I could tell that from the video. :bs:

PS: I also noticed David politely rejected the reporter request for what it seemed to be an interview. He knows he is dealing with sharks!!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: beach247 on December 29, 2009, 07:57:50 PM
Quote from: Eccaka;62279
has anyone found a link for the whole press conference? I can only find clips...

http://www.livestream.com/asbury_park_press_video

The video is in a constant loop which restarts automatically.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Julya on December 29, 2009, 07:59:05 PM
Quote from: liesl78;62278
Typical "spin" on things.
 
They neglected to say that reimbursement is under Article 26 of the HC and that Judge Pinto ordered it.

 
Yes also she lied about what would be David's concerns. He said would be what the maternal family told to his son and she is telling that he was concerned with food, climate adjustment and more BS :burn:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Julya on December 29, 2009, 08:00:52 PM
:yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat:
I also noticed he rejected it for right now, but seems like he said " with time, later on"
Quote from: siajeannie;62283
:yeahthat:
 
I would NOT trust her or GLOBO. She might or might not be a good person but it does not matter as it comes from Globo. The way they chose to depict the news conference in the last article was NOT right. But it was an obvious take, especially coming from Globo.
 
Again, someone from BSH please advise David of this reporter. He got a business card from her and she was "all nice' to him in order to get a future interview. I could tell that from the video. :bs:
 
PS: I also noticed David politely rejected the reporter request for what it seemed to be an interview. He knows he is dealing with sharks!!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Eccaka on December 29, 2009, 08:04:03 PM
Quote from: beach247;62289
http://www.livestream.com/asbury_park_press_video

The video is in a constant loop which restarts automatically.


thank you :)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Flavia_br on December 29, 2009, 08:11:13 PM
Quote from: Julya;62291
:yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat:
I also noticed he rejected it for right now, but seems like he said " with time, later on"

****************************************************
Her name is Giuliana Morrone, yesterday she seemed more sympathized with Sean's home all decorated with his pictures, but today she sounded a little vague, (i'ts probably globo intervention)
 
:burn:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Elizabeth on December 29, 2009, 08:27:34 PM
Wow I'm sooooo disappointed.  I was really looking forward to the press conference today.  MSNBC teased it a couple times early this afernoon then showed none of it.  Now I can't get anything on Livestream, must be my slow DSL connection?  The Braziliam report comes through fine but Livestream has no picture and audio cutting in and out (mostly out).  I'd be happy with just the audio but can't even get that.  AGGGHHH!!!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Eccaka on December 29, 2009, 08:27:45 PM
Replay of news conference is starting over now at 8:26PM est for anyone interested in seeing from the beginning

http://www.livestream.com/asbury_park_press_video
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Emily on December 29, 2009, 08:37:50 PM
Watch David's face when Apy says, "Part of what we're going to wait to see is if they're going to exercise good judgment and move forward as normal grandparents."
 
Love it!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 29, 2009, 08:38:15 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/34619335#34619335

The video of them at home, posted in this thread earlier, is still the most viewed clip an NBC/MSNBC. Four clips are among the top eight most viewed! That is against Charlie Sheen's domestic violence, Airport screenings and Bristol Palin fighting for sole custody of her son.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 29, 2009, 08:45:30 PM
Quote from: Eccaka;62300
Replay of news conference is starting over now at 8:26PM est for anyone interested in seeing from the beginning

http://www.livestream.com/asbury_park_press_video



Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Eccaka on December 29, 2009, 08:52:14 PM
Quote from: Emily;62301
Watch David's face when Apy says, "Part of what we're going to wait to see is if they're going to exercise good judgment and move forward as normal grandparents."
 
Love it!


David's face, and demeanor, throughout the whole press conference... WOW. He's so happy and animated and alive. He looks younger and lighter. Sean is definitely not the only one who is acting like a weight has been lifted from their shoulders

This is by far the most heartwarming thing I've seen :)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 29, 2009, 09:06:35 PM
Feed restarting now!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 29, 2009, 09:11:14 PM
A slightly bigger screen...


Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 29, 2009, 09:22:20 PM
Rep Chris Smith, in his own words: (reload page to watch again)



Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Priss on December 29, 2009, 09:23:50 PM
Wow, Sean is so lucky to have David as a dad.  He is the best role model.  So gracious, so calm.... words leave me.  Just, wow.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: applesauce on December 29, 2009, 09:29:14 PM
I lost it at the beginning when David speaks of Sean asking where "our house" is...  :bawling:

I am so happy for those two, and hope for more reunions in the coming year.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Candida on December 29, 2009, 09:43:32 PM
I posted this on another thread, but I just wanted to share my joy. There was a statement of Ms. Apy in answering if the abductors could be prosecuted and she said that it was up to the state and the US state dpt. I surely hope they decide to do something - if they step foot on US soil, get arrested and hold them here in court against their will.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 29, 2009, 09:44:44 PM
Great video with Nicole's Dad, from another thread:
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/investigates/091229-brazil-custody-battle-folo
 (http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/investigates/091229-brazil-custody-battle-folo)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 29, 2009, 09:49:00 PM
Quote from: Candida;62326
I posted this on another thread, but I just wanted to share my joy. There was a statement of Ms. Apy in answering if the abductors could be prosecuted and she said that it was up to the state and the US state dpt. I surely hope they decide to do something - if they step foot on US soil, get arrested and hold them here in court against their will.
Candida, given the high number of children still kept there, they prefer not to criminalize these cases, for now, as not to give the other government and judiciary yet another excuse not to return the abducted children. Hopefully, once the backlog of cases is cleared, criminal charges will become the rule and be another tool to dissuade abductors to ever considering such thing.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: sue on December 29, 2009, 10:02:38 PM
Quote from: BrazilianForJustice;62327
Great video with Nicole's Dad, from another thread:
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/investigates/091229-brazil-custody-battle-folo
 (http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/investigates/091229-brazil-custody-battle-folo)
Thanks for that!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: shaine on December 29, 2009, 10:45:18 PM
Goodness, that reporter from oglobo was really getting to Patricia it seems.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Audax on December 30, 2009, 12:28:43 AM
More NBC bashing. Post your comments to get the story straight.

http://www.publicradio.org/columns/marketplace/scratchpad/2009/12/shame_on_you_nbc.html
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Chuckles on December 30, 2009, 12:56:41 AM
My post to NPR  (actually, originated at APR):

Quote
Considering neither NPR nor APR bothered to even cover this story that is, by all accounts and on many important levels, a major story of interest, is it not surprising that they are reporting negatively on the one network that has consistently gotten it right about this case of international child abduction?

I am a steadfast and long-time NPR listener and supporter, and the first time I heard a report from them on the Goldman case was the day Sean Goldman came home, Christmas Eve.  It is utterly ridiculous that some of our major news outlets don't consider the criminal abduction of some 2,800 American children newsworthy.  The Goldman's is an important story because it brings attention to the greater issue of countries that do not return children to their countries of habitual residence as required under the Hague Convention on the Civil Aspect of International Child Abduction.

It is even more ridiculous that an organization that takes corporate donations from the likes of ADM and others chooses to call itself an unbiased news source while reporting on these same corporations while calling NBC out on providing nothing more than a humanitarian lift to the Goldmans.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: siajeannie on December 30, 2009, 01:13:55 AM
Quote from: Chuckles;62360
My post to NPR  (actually, originated at APR):

I am sorry but I actually listen to NPR and at least recently they have reporting on the case. Just saying. :cool:

I take that back. You are right, I only heard them reporting the news on Christmas eve. My mistake. I am also fan of NPR but find anyone critical of NBC a bit ironic, to say the least.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Emily on December 30, 2009, 01:38:34 AM
Quote from: Audax;62356
More NBC bashing. Post your comments to get the story straight.
 
http://www.publicradio.org/columns/marketplace/scratchpad/2009/12/shame_on_you_nbc.html

 
Got mine in:
Quote
That’s unfortunate that you’re of the opinion that thousands of American children being held captive in other countries is not considered news worthy, especially the return of one from a country that has never done so before under a Hague Convention petition.
 
Also, it seems ironic that you’re attacking the respectability of NBC for being noble enough to offer a father and son a ride on a plane that was already heading state side. What about your own respectability for not properly researching the facts before propagating lies?
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: mfer on December 30, 2009, 02:40:21 AM
nothing new in the article but it is prominently featured on CNN right now.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/12/29/brazil.custody.dispute/index.html
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Claudia.Hope on December 30, 2009, 02:56:59 AM
Take a look at this...
 
 
David Goldman diz que tentará reaver US$ 500 mil gastos em batalha judicial
(DAVID WILL TRY GET BACK 500.000, LEGAL EXPENSES, SPENT IN JUDICIAL BATTLE).

Advogado da família brasileira diz que anúncio 'revela o caráter' de David.
(BRAZILIAN RELATIVE'S ATTORNEY SAYS THAT THE ANNOUCEMENT REVEALS DAVID'S CHARACTER...)
 
http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Mundo/0,,MUL1429694-5602,00-DAVID+GOLDMAN+DIZ+QUE+TENTARA+REAVER+US+MIL+GASTOS+EM+BATALHA+JUDICIAL.html
 
 
http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Mundo/0,,MUL1429741-5602,00-ADVOGADO+DIZ+QUE+INTENCAO+DE+COBRAR+GASTOS+REVELA+CARATER+DO+PAI+DE+SEAN.html
 
THEY DO NOT STOP... IS UNACCEPTABLE !!!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Claudia.Hope on December 30, 2009, 03:03:27 AM
:mad2::madgo::burn::smhair2:
 WHEN WILL THEY STOP ????
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Abby Normal on December 30, 2009, 03:38:57 AM
Quote from: Audax;62356
More NBC bashing. Post your comments to get the story straight.

http://www.publicradio.org/columns/marketplace/scratchpad/2009/12/shame_on_you_nbc.html


Thanks for this link.  I just ranted up a storm about why I appreciate NBC at least regarding their part in helping the Goldman's.  Here's what I wrote:

Give me a break!

I know no one involved in the Sean and David Goldman case, and I am very fortunate in that that none of my children have been abducted. But I’ve become very emotionally involved in the process and outcome nonetheless, thanks greatly to NBC. I am DEEPLY GRATEFUL to them for recognizing how important it was to share this story. I am deeply grateful to them for then realizing they could continue to help and make a difference. So what that they had something to gain: they made a tremendously positive difference in the lives of two terribly-wronged victims. And interestingly enough they made a positive difference in my life, it would seem, and I’m guessing many others’ lives: I’m just a mom of 3 kids living in the Northwest and doing my own thing. Life can be hard and holidays can often be painful and difficult…full of family dysfunction (or loneliness in many cases), squabbling, disappointment, hypocrisy, lack of time, and intense pressures to spend lots of money on lots of material possessions. I realize my take on Xmas is a bit jaded but I’m certain I’m not the only one who experiences these things. This year I had the BEST CHRISTMAS because I knew what happiness a complete stranger and his little boy were experiencing on the other side of the country and before even touching down in the U.S. I watched the videos, read the stories and cried with happiness and relief. I did little happy dances all around the house and my kids looked at me like I’d lost it but they laughed too and felt the joy. And each news clip got even better. I felt so much love and happiness for David and Sean - and I felt a link to them and the entire Goldman family and friends and neighbors…and to every stranger who has taken action, participated, or simply cares and “feels the love” as well. It’s about people - strangers - uniting everywhere and feeling such hope and joy and gratitude (how can presents hold a candle to that?). There’s nothing small about those kinds of feelings or that kind of unity, there’s nothing ugly about that, and NBC had a LOT to do with bringing all those people together and getting us all on the same page. Hey they may be a corporation (ewwww!) but they did a good thing…a very, very good thing.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Abby Normal on December 30, 2009, 03:49:07 AM
Ok so my rant was a little cheesy (stay-at-home mom going crazy?) - but anyway I just wanted to say that I forgot to mention that because of NBC there may be many more reunions of children and their parents-left-behind!!!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Roberta Palermo on December 30, 2009, 04:33:34 AM
They have to do something to prove David is not a good person, and they use to say he is not because he is there only because of money. And look! David asked for money! Bingo! Someone has to explain to the lawyer that is a normal action when we are fighting in justice...he doesn't know. Roberta Palermo
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: ssutton on December 30, 2009, 04:44:58 AM
My post:  
A "Tremendous Thanks" goes out to NBC for the covering of this story of David and Sean Goldman. I first heard of this story from NBC back a year ago. The cries from a father to reunite with his son tugged at my heartstrings. I logged onto the website you provided, bringseanhome.org, and began a journey that I never thought would change my life forever. After becoming a supporter I realized what need there was in helping so many "Left Behind Parents".  The plane ride was just that, a plane ride. I guess you have never been stranded somewhere and asked for help, especially in a foreign country where you need the fastest way out possible to ensure your families safety. What NBC did should not even be an issue because our government should have stepped up and arranged the safe return of both Sean and David, but to my amazement this did not happen.  I commend NBC, Meredith Vieira, MSMBC, Dateline, Jeff Rossen, and countless others, and your support has been heard around the world. Thank you NBC again for your wonderful support.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: cm on December 30, 2009, 05:31:48 AM
Quote from: Roberta Palermo;62395
They have to do something to prove David is not a good person, and they use to say he is not because he is there only because of money. And look! David asked for money! Bingo! Someone has to explain to the lawyer that is a normal action when we are fighting in justice...he doesn't know. Roberta Palermo

Tostes knows full well that as per the Hague, it is the right of a Left Behind Parent to recover expenses. It has nothing to do with character and everything to do with right and wrong.

I have to say that I really feel sorry for these people. It seems that they have gotten whatever they have wanted all of their lives. Attacking the character of a person seems 'normal' for them, which is pretty sad.

When will Silvana act like a 'normal' grandmother? When will they truly consider Sean's best interest?
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: M.Capestro on December 30, 2009, 07:39:38 AM
Quote from: tnajk;62176
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/david-goldman-sons-return-jersey-seamless/story?id=9443653
 
Not sure if this is it, I'm getting ready to watch it...
 
No video, but the article is nice and sums up the press conference.

Quote from: noah3698;62193
ABC is just clueless. This is the caption under the picture of JPLS leading Sean through the media circus to the US consluate.....
 
"David Goldman and his son Sean make their way to the U.S. consulate in Brazil. "

Thank you. I've notified them of their error and asked them to correct.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: M.Capestro on December 30, 2009, 07:46:42 AM
Quote from: ronsloan;62259
What was so revealing about this interview is that David has a huge debt for legal fees. I have wondered about how David's finances have held up. My concern is that this may prevent David from providing adequately for Sean. It may take years for David to ever recoup this money from Silvana/JPLS and in the meantime David has a serious financial burden. If I can find David's address I will send him a cheque. (Canadian spelling) I have already sent him money through the donation link on the site but prefer to do it directly now if I can.

Quote from: beach247;62263
I think it's safe to assume that you can send it to "c/o Atty. Patricia Apy".

The above information is incorrect...please visit our DONATIONS page to find out how you can support David & Sean: http://bringseanhome.org/donate.html
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: lovellboys on December 30, 2009, 10:21:11 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/goldman-custody-battle-grandmother-vows-fight-boy/story?id=9447000&page=1
 
This article gives the opinion of a US judge who doubts Sean could ever be ordered to return to Brazil.....me likes.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Rio Gringa on December 30, 2009, 10:49:32 AM
Quote from: Audax;62356
More NBC bashing. Post your comments to get the story straight.

http://www.publicradio.org/columns/marketplace/scratchpad/2009/12/shame_on_you_nbc.html

I am having it out with this dumb columnist. I think it's hilarious that these other networks are jealous of the coverage that NBC is getting, and yet THEY DO NOT BOTHER TO EVEN DO THEIR OWN HOMEWORK! If they did, they could break the story about Globo's insanely unethical coverage of the case. Ughhh it makes my blood boil.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JonathanR on December 30, 2009, 11:19:45 AM
Let's all wish Meredith Vieira a happy birthday today!! :)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Claudia.Hope on December 30, 2009, 11:36:08 AM
WOOOOWWWWW...I LOVE IT...
SOMEONE PLZZZ CAN TRANSLATE IT !!!!
Bola do Tempo (http://bsholveri.blogspot.com/)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
29/12/09
 
Matar por amor - Sequestrar por amor - Caso Sean Goldman (http://bsholveri.blogspot.com/2009/12/matar-por-amor-sequestrar-por-amor-caso.html)
 
 
 
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4LaN6lGh1XE/SzqKXtf_mpI/AAAAAAAAAL0/nMBshGP5ABc/s400/david_sean_230.jpg) (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4LaN6lGh1XE/SzqKXtf_mpI/AAAAAAAAAL0/nMBshGP5ABc/s1600-h/david_sean_230.jpg)

No dia 30 de dezembro de 1976, Evandro Lins e Silva, então com 64 anos, Advogado, Jurista, ministro do Supremo Tribunal Federal de 1963 a 1969, ocupante da cadeira de nº 1 da Academia Brasileira de Letras, acabava de criar a expressão que assombrou muitas mulheres: “legítima defesa da honra”, na defesa de Doca Street, um playboy carioca que assassinou com 4 tiros Angela Diniz, na casa desta em Búzios. Dr. Lins e Silva conseguiu para Doca Street a pena de dois anos com “sursis”, ou seja, em liberdade. Ele provou ao juri que a culpa não era de Doca Street e sim da vítima por ser ela, nas palavras do Advogado e Jurista, uma - "mulher fatal",e este era Doca Street em suas palavras - "Quando a boa índole do criminoso, o seu passado honesto, a qualidade moral e social dos motivos e a forma apenas violenta da execução do crime, seguida de manifestações de arrependimento ou de remorso, mostrarem que o mesmo crime - passional ou emotivo - foi um triste e doloroso episódio na vida normal do criminoso, não há razão para lhe ser aplicada alguma pena, ainda mesmo que não desonrosa. Toda repressão seria inútil e, como tal, iníqua.", ou seja, o homem pode “matar por amor”. (ver http://tinyurl.com/yauk2et (http://tinyurl.com/yauk2et) )
 
Anos depois um seu descendente, João Paulo Lins e Silva, achou-se no direito de manter o sequestro de Sean Goldman, também por amor. Ele era casado com a mãe do garoto, que veio a falecer, e praticamente tomou o filho de seu verdadeiro pai, o americano David Goldman, e numa relação já tão conhecida, a síndrome de Estocolmo, tratou de fazer que o garoto lhe chamasse de pai e escreveu para todos verem que era ele que bancava o garoto. Ver http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/ancelmo/dizventura/texto.asp (http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/ancelmo/dizventura/texto.asp) O pai verdadeiro, lutando na justiça americana e brasileira por esses 4 anos e meio, tendo que recolher dinheiro de doações para conseguir pagar as custas do processo, pois é um cidadão americano comum, sem herança de pai ou avô, para ter o filho de volta, sofria a falta do garoto e estava exposto pela mídia colonizada brasileira, principalmente a carioca, como um vagabundo, um aproveitador.
Enquanto isso o Sr. Lins e Silva transitava por Búzios exibindo o filho de David Goldman como seu, seu.pois para um Lins e Silva, pagou, é SEU. Esse advogado, neto de ministro do Supremo Tribunal Federal, a justiça está em suas mãos. Conseguiu fazer o divórcio da mulher de Goldman sem que o próprio Goldman soubesse. Ela era divorciada no Brasil e nos Estados Unidos não, e a nossa justiça deu a ele a custódia do garoto Sean Goldman. Ele se justifica: “Logo após o falecimento da minha amada mulher, tomei a iniciativa judicial requerendo a guarda provisória de Sean, com quem já cuidava e mantinha relacionamento de pai – filho há mais de 4 anos. Recebi a guarda provisória após concordância do Ministério Público Estadual a meu favor.”
Claro, os juízes todos haviam sido alunos de seu avô.
 
A justiça brasileira tem agido assim há muito tempo. É o grande poder no Brasil. Todos abaixam a crista para o Judiciário. Chegamos ao ponto do Supremo Tribunal de Justiça derrubar a Lei de Imprensa, tornando a imprensa livre em um mês e manter a censura imposta a um dos principais jornais do Brasil, o Estado de São Paulo no mês seguinte.
 
Até quando nós vamos permitir isso?
 
O que mais me chocou no caso Sean Goldman foi a mídia defender o marido da mãe morta do garoto, mesmo sabendo que a Convenção de Haia existe para que esses casos não aconteçam, para que crianças não sejam sequestradas de seus pais e de seu país. O garoto é americano, nascido nos Estados Unidos e foi mantido aqui por 4 anos e meio sem o consentimento do pai, porque a mãe do garoto era uma empresária bem sucedida carioca e casada com um Lins e Silva.
 
A imprensa fez um papelão no caso Sean Goldman. Colocou a opinião pública contra o pai do garoto porque ele é um cara comum e o marido da mãe morta é um ricaço carioca bem relacionado no meio judiciário e neto de um jurista que considerou Angela Diniz culpada por ter sido morta por Doca Street. A filha de Angela Diniz, então com 12 anos, foi quem mais sofreu com a morte da mãe. Imagino a raiva que ela tem do advogado que inocentou o assassino de sua mãe.
 
Sean Goldman vai crescer e virar um homem. Eu fico imaginando o que ele vai sentir por ter sido usado por pessoas sem escrúpulos e sem senso de justiça.
 
Esse é o Brasil que vivemos. Parece mais que estamos no século 19. A ignorância aqui é o que nos faz pensar em desamor patriótico.
 
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Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: shaine on December 30, 2009, 11:38:28 AM
I had to join in on the adding my two cents to Scott Jagow.
 
No Scott, you have this title wrong here. It should be Shame on you, Scott Jagow.
Learn the facts.
Did you bother to watch the press conference yesterday held by Patricia Apy, David Goldman's Lawyer? If you had, you would have seen that she addressed this very subject.
She stated that NBC already had the jet chartered, for their crew. They offered David & Sean a ride home seeing as they had the seating. She stated it was not the US Government's job to secure security for David & Sean. So for the best interest of Sean NBC did an outstanding service to this young boy, who's been the subject of a nasty international ABDUCTION case. This has NEVER been about custody Scott, if you had done your job as a journalist, you would know this to be fact.
They (NBC) have not paid for the story, nor have they been offered an "exclusive" deal. They however have been the ones to have been open to reporting the truth in this matter. They took this story to heart in 2008, when Meredith Viera spoke to David, and then having that Dateline special in January 2009, which you obviously were not aware of. They have developed a sense of security with David. He knows that he can trust they won't slander him, or run with fraudulent information.
Shame on you as a journalist, for not procuring the facts to the case before reporting this very biased piece.
Jeff Rossen & Meredith Viera are unsung heroes in this story.
Again, shame on you Scott Jagow.
Educate yourself on the truth to the matter.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Caldwell on December 30, 2009, 11:42:27 AM
Quote from: Audax;62356
More NBC bashing. Post your comments to get the story straight.

http://www.publicradio.org/columns/marketplace/scratchpad/2009/12/shame_on_you_nbc.html

My reply:

Scott,

In a very sterile sense, you are probably right that “pure” journalism, in which the journalist is absolutely nothing but a fly on the wall, never to lift a finger to help one in need, or never to hint of an editorial bias in the reporting of a story, is quickly dying. With “iReports”, with every local and national outlet accepting, even asking for, video or stills from its audience, with “embedded” journalists at war, with journalists going into the jungle to cover rebels with the promise not to reveal their location, etc, etc, it is true that it is hard to find “unbiased” news that has a completely passive voice.

Now that said, “Shame on NBC”? For offering a ride to a father and son who were still at some risk of getting out of the country before another court twist, or who, at a minimum, would have been besieged by press and public taking a commercial flight? Did they “change” the story by doing this? Yes, the outcome would definitely have been different if they were forced to head to a commercial flight. And most of us say, GREAT! I would really hate to be a producer or reporter working for you in a situation where I witness a horrific human rights abuse THAT I COULD STOP SAFELY, and have you pull me back, all in the interest of journalistic integrity. I think personal integrity and the obligation to follow the Golden Rule ALWAYS trumps the SPJ’s code of conduct, and I applaud NBC for acting accordingly.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: carlaleader on December 30, 2009, 11:46:48 AM
What an amazing article - I translated with google.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Ellacott on December 30, 2009, 11:52:55 AM
This was my reply:
 
Renee | Respond (http://javascript:void(0);)
December 30, 2009 8:47 AM PT (http://www.publicradio.org/columns/marketplace/scratchpad/2009/12/shame_on_you_nbc.html#comment-2849013)
The unfortunate thing about the press is that many will refuse to do research and just jump on the bandwagon of what others are saying.
David Goldman’s attorney reiterated NBC’s role in thi saga. The jet was not a payoff and it was never a condition for an exclusive interview. This information was already out there but people(even journalists) refuse to do any research. That’s very disappointing.
 
If it weren’t for NBCs Dateline report David would probably still be fighting this case by himself and Sean would still be in Brazil.
 
No comments have been made by any of you who are upset with NBC about the Brazilian press and how they have been covering this case. Not one person in the media has come out and criticized the CBS Early Show for brokering a deal and gave the Brazilian family an all expense paid trip so they could tell their side of the story. Their story was full of lies and the anchor never challenged them or was prepared with facts about this case.
 
60 Minutes’ name was built on exclusive interviews. I don’t remember hearing a lot of outrage at how they do this.
 
Sometimes journalistic and human integrity is affirmed by getting involved. The safest way back to the states for Sean was by private jet. He had already been traumatized by that walk to consulate’s office. Another example is the media’s coverage of Katrina. If it had not been for the media the incompetence of the rescue operations would not have been spotlighted and help may have been even longer in getting there.
It’s a sad day when even our journalists can’t be objective.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Rio Gringa on December 30, 2009, 11:54:45 AM
Quote from: Ellacott;62460
This was my reply:
 
Renee | Respond (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:void%280%29;)
December 30, 2009 8:47 AM PT (http://www.publicradio.org/columns/marketplace/scratchpad/2009/12/shame_on_you_nbc.html#comment-2849013)
The unfortunate thing about the press is that many will refuse to do research and just jump on the bandwagon of what others are saying.
David Goldman’s attorney reiterated NBC’s role in thi saga. The jet was not a payoff and it was never a condition for an exclusive interview. This information was already out there but people(even journalists) refuse to do any research. That’s very disappointing.
 
If it weren’t for NBCs Dateline report David would probably still be fighting this case by himself and Sean would still be in Brazil.
 
No comments have been made by any of you who are upset with NBC about the Brazilian press and how they have been covering this case. Not one person in the media has come out and criticized the CBS Early Show for brokering a deal and gave the Brazilian family an all expense paid trip so they could tell their side of the story. Their story was full of lies and the anchor never challenged them or was prepared with facts about this case.
 
60 Minutes’ name was built on exclusive interviews. I don’t remember hearing a lot of outrage at how they do this.
 
Sometimes journalistic and human integrity is affirmed by getting involved. The safest way back to the states for Sean was by private jet. He had already been traumatized by that walk to consulate’s office. Another example is the media’s coverage of Katrina. If it had not been for the media the incompetence of the rescue operations would not have been spotlighted and help may have been even longer in getting there.
It’s a sad day when even our journalists can’t be objective.
Perfect!:yeahthat:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Claudia.Hope on December 30, 2009, 11:55:15 AM
Quote from: Claudia.Hope;62450
WOOOOWWWWW...I LOVE IT...
SOMEONE PLZZZ CAN TRANSLATE IT !!!!
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29/12/09
 
Matar por amor - Sequestrar por amor - Caso Sean Goldman (http://bsholveri.blogspot.com/2009/12/matar-por-amor-sequestrar-por-amor-caso.html)
 
 
 
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No dia 30 de dezembro de 1976, Evandro Lins e Silva, então com 64 anos, Advogado, Jurista, ministro do Supremo Tribunal Federal de 1963 a 1969, ocupante da cadeira de nº 1 da Academia Brasileira de Letras, acabava de criar a expressão que assombrou muitas mulheres: “legítima defesa da honra”, na defesa de Doca Street, um playboy carioca que assassinou com 4 tiros Angela Diniz, na casa desta em Búzios. Dr. Lins e Silva conseguiu para Doca Street a pena de dois anos com “sursis”, ou seja, em liberdade. Ele provou ao juri que a culpa não era de Doca Street e sim da vítima por ser ela, nas palavras do Advogado e Jurista, uma - "mulher fatal",e este era Doca Street em suas palavras - "Quando a boa índole do criminoso, o seu passado honesto, a qualidade moral e social dos motivos e a forma apenas violenta da execução do crime, seguida de manifestações de arrependimento ou de remorso, mostrarem que o mesmo crime - passional ou emotivo - foi um triste e doloroso episódio na vida normal do criminoso, não há razão para lhe ser aplicada alguma pena, ainda mesmo que não desonrosa. Toda repressão seria inútil e, como tal, iníqua.", ou seja, o homem pode “matar por amor”. (ver http://tinyurl.com/yauk2et (http://tinyurl.com/yauk2et) )
 
Anos depois um seu descendente, João Paulo Lins e Silva, achou-se no direito de manter o sequestro de Sean Goldman, também por amor. Ele era casado com a mãe do garoto, que veio a falecer, e praticamente tomou o filho de seu verdadeiro pai, o americano David Goldman, e numa relação já tão conhecida, a síndrome de Estocolmo, tratou de fazer que o garoto lhe chamasse de pai e escreveu para todos verem que era ele que bancava o garoto. Ver http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/ancelmo/dizventura/texto.asp (http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/ancelmo/dizventura/texto.asp) O pai verdadeiro, lutando na justiça americana e brasileira por esses 4 anos e meio, tendo que recolher dinheiro de doações para conseguir pagar as custas do processo, pois é um cidadão americano comum, sem herança de pai ou avô, para ter o filho de volta, sofria a falta do garoto e estava exposto pela mídia colonizada brasileira, principalmente a carioca, como um vagabundo, um aproveitador.
Enquanto isso o Sr. Lins e Silva transitava por Búzios exibindo o filho de David Goldman como seu, seu. Pois para um Lins e Silva, pagou, é SEU. Esse advogado, neto de ministro do Supremo Tribunal Federal, a justiça está em suas mãos. Conseguiu fazer o divórcio da mulher de Goldman sem que o próprio Goldman soubesse. Ela era divorciada no Brasil e nos Estados Unidos não, e a nossa justiça deu a ele a custódia do garoto Sean Goldman. Ele se justifica: “Logo após o falecimento da minha amada mulher, tomei a iniciativa judicial requerendo a guarda provisória de Sean, com quem já cuidava e mantinha relacionamento de pai – filho há mais de 4 anos. Recebi a guarda provisória após concordância do Ministério Público Estadual a meu favor.”
Claro, os juízes todos haviam sido alunos de seu avô.
 
A justiça brasileira tem agido assim há muito tempo. É o grande poder no Brasil. Todos abaixam a crista para o Judiciário. Chegamos ao ponto do Supremo Tribunal de Justiça derrubar a Lei de Imprensa, tornando a imprensa livre em um mês e manter a censura imposta a um dos principais jornais do Brasil, o Estado de São Paulo no mês seguinte.
 
Até quando nós vamos permitir isso?
 
O que mais me chocou no caso Sean Goldman foi a mídia defender o marido da mãe morta do garoto, mesmo sabendo que a Convenção de Haia existe para que esses casos não aconteçam, para que crianças não sejam sequestradas de seus pais e de seu país. O garoto é americano, nascido nos Estados Unidos e foi mantido aqui por 4 anos e meio sem o consentimento do pai, porque a mãe do garoto era uma empresária bem sucedida carioca e casada com um Lins e Silva.
 
A imprensa fez um papelão no caso Sean Goldman. Colocou a opinião pública contra o pai do garoto porque ele é um cara comum e o marido da mãe morta é um ricaço carioca bem relacionado no meio judiciário e neto de um jurista que considerou Angela Diniz culpada por ter sido morta por Doca Street. A filha de Angela Diniz, então com 12 anos, foi quem mais sofreu com a morte da mãe. Imagino a raiva que ela tem do advogado que inocentou o assassino de sua mãe.
 
Sean Goldman vai crescer e virar um homem. Eu fico imaginando o que ele vai sentir por ter sido usado por pessoas sem escrúpulos e sem senso de justiça.
 
Esse é o Brasil que vivemos. Parece mais que estamos no século 19. A ignorância aqui é o que nos faz pensar em desamor patriótico.
 
BSHolveri
 
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On December 30, 1976, Evandro Lins e Silva, then 64 years old, Lawyer, Lawyer, Minister of the Supreme Court from 1963 to 1969, occupying the chair # 1 of the Brazilian Academy of Letters, had to create the expression THAT haunted many women, "legitimate defense of honor" in defense of Dock Street, a playboy who murdered in Rio with 4 shots Angela Diniz, in her house in Buzios. Dr. Lins e Silva managed to Dock Street to the penalty of two years' probation, "that is, in freedom. He proved to the jury that the fault was not Dock Street, but the victim because she was in the words of lawyer and jurist, a - "femme fatale", and that Dock Street was in his words - "When the good nature of the criminal , his last honest, the quality of social and moral reasons and the only way the execution of violent crime, followed by expressions of regret or remorse, show that the same crime - passionate and emotional - was a sad and painful episode in the normal life the criminal, there is no reason to apply any penalty, even if it does not dishonorable. Any prosecution would be futile and, as such, unjust. "ie, man can kill for love." (see http://tinyurl.com/yauk2et)
 
Years later one of his descendant, João Paulo Lins e Silva, found the right to keep the kidnapping of Sean Goldman, also for love. He was married to the boy's mother, who died, and almost took the son of his real father, the American David Goldman, and a relationship well known, the Stockholm syndrome, tried to make the boy you call him father and wrote for all to see that it was he who played the boy. View http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/ancelmo/dizventura/texto.asp The real father, fighting in the American and Brazilian justice for those 4 ½ years, having to collect money for donations to be able to pay the court costs because it is a common American citizen, without inheritance from father or grandfather to take his son back, suffered from the lack of kid and was exposed by the media colonized Brazil, especially Rio, as a vagabond, a sucker.
Meanwhile Mr. Lins e Silva Búzios transited by displaying the son of David Goldman as his,well ...for one Lins e Silva, paid, is YOURS Lins e Silva. That lawyer, grandson of a minister of the Supreme Court, justice is in your hands. He managed to divorce the wife without the Goldman Goldman himself knew. She was divorced in Brazil and the United States does, and our justice gave him custody of the boy Sean. He was justified: "Immediately after the death of my beloved wife, I took the court requiring the temporary custody of Sean, who has looked after and maintained relationships of father - son for over 4 years. I received temporary custody of consent by the State Public Ministry in my favor. "
Of course, the judges had all been students of his grandfather.
 
A Brazilian court has done so long ago. It is the great power in Brazil. All the lower ridge to the judiciary. We got to the point of the Supreme Court overturn the Press Law, making the free press in a month and keep censorship to a leading newspaper in Brazil, the Sao Paulo State the following month.
 
Even when we allow this?
 
What shocked me most if Sean Goldman was the media defending her husband's dead mother of the boy, even though the Hague Convention is to ensure that these cases do not happen, so that children are not kidnapped from their parents and their country. The boy is American, born in the United States and was kept here for 4 ½ years without the consent of the father because the boy's mother was a successful businesswoman in Rio, and married to an Lins e Silva.
 
The press made a cardboard if Sean. Turned public opinion against the boy's father because he's a regular guy and the husband of her dead mother is a wealthy Rio and referenced in a judicial and grandson of a lawyer who took Angela Diniz guilty for having been killed by Dock Street. The daughter of Angela Diniz, then 12, was the one who suffered most from the death of the mother. I imagine the anger that she has the lawyer acquitted the murderer of his mother.
 
Sean Goldman will grow and become a man. I wonder what it will feel to have been used by unscrupulous people and no sense of justice.
 
This is Brazil which we live. It seems more that we are in the 19th century. The ignorance here is what makes us think of disaffection patriotic.
 
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Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Shar on December 30, 2009, 11:56:26 AM
Google translation...re: Lins e Silva's...It's in their DNA!

Killing for love - for love Kidnap - If Sean Goldman (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://bsholveri.blogspot.com/2009/12/matar-por-amor-sequestrar-por-amor-caso.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMatar%2Bpor%2Bamor%2Bsequestrar%2Bpor%2Bamor%2Bcaso%2Bsean%2Bgoldman%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DiB2&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhh8EFXplRArc1cQtFS0UQlbgSZ0yQ)

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On December 30, 1976, Evandro Lins e Silva, then 64 years old, Lawyer, Lawyer, Minister of the Supreme Court from 1963 to 1969, occupying the chair of paragraph 1 of the Brazilian Academy of Letters, had to create the expression haunted many women, "legitimate defense of honor" in defense of Dock Street, a playboy who murdered Rio with 4 shots Angela Diniz, in her house in Buzios.
Dr. Lins e Silva managed to Dock Street to the penalty of two years' probation, "that is, in freedom.
He proved to the jury that the fault was not Dock Street, but the victim because she was in the words of lawyer and jurist, a - "femme fatale", and that Dock Street was in his words - "When the good nature of the criminal , his last honest, the quality of social and moral reasons and the only way the execution of violent crime, followed by expressions of regret or remorse, show that the same crime - passionate and emotional - was a sad and painful episode in the normal life the criminal, there is no reason to apply any penalty, even if it does not dishonorable. Any prosecution would be futile and, as such, unjust. "ie, man can kill for love."
(see http://tinyurl.com/yauk2et) (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://tinyurl.com/yauk2et&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMatar%2Bpor%2Bamor%2Bsequestrar%2Bpor%2Bamor%2Bcaso%2Bsean%2Bgoldman%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DiB2&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhgtC2AWi4ouPn8uC5A6pICgfECr3g)

 
Years later one of his descendant, João Paulo Lins e Silva, found the right to keep the kidnapping of Sean Goldman, also for love.
He was married to the boy's mother, who died, and almost took the son of his real father, the American David Goldman, and a relationship well known, the Stockholm syndrome, tried to make the boy you call him father and wrote for all to see that it was he who played the boy.
View http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/ancelmo/dizventura/texto.asp (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/ancelmo/dizventura/texto.asp&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMatar%2Bpor%2Bamor%2Bsequestrar%2Bpor%2Bamor%2Bcaso%2Bsean%2Bgoldman%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DiB2&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhjzQxTTpPmz2MWLYkEgg66X4CMlWg)

The real father, fighting in the American and Brazilian justice for those 4 ½ years, having to collect money for donations to be able to pay the court costs because it is a common American citizen, without inheritance from father or grandfather to take his son back, suffered from the lack of kid and was exposed by the media colonized Brazil, especially Rio, as a vagabond, a sucker.
 
Meanwhile Mr. Lins e Silva Búzios transited by displaying the son of David Goldman as his, because for one Lins e Silva, paid, is yours.
That lawyer, grandson of a minister of the Supreme Court, justice is in your hands.
He managed to divorce the wife without the Goldman Goldman himself knew.
She was divorced in Brazil and the United States does, and our justice gave him custody of the boy Sean.  He was justified: "Immediately after the death of my beloved wife, I took the court requiring the temporary custody of Sean, who has looked after and maintained relationships of father - son for over 4 years.
I received temporary custody of consent by the State Public Ministry in my favor. "
 
Of course, the judges had all been students of his grandfather.

 
A Brazilian court has done so long ago.
It is the great power in Brazil.
All the lower ridge to the judiciary.
We got to the point of the Supreme Court overturn the Press Law, making the free press in a month and keep censorship to a leading newspaper in Brazil, the Sao Paulo State the following month.

 
Even when we allow this?

 
What shocked me most if Sean Goldman was the media defending her husband's dead mother of the boy, even though the Hague Convention is to ensure that these cases do not happen, so that children are not kidnapped from their parents and their country.
The boy is American, born in the United States and was kept here for 4 ½ years without the consent of the father because the boy's mother was a successful businesswoman in Rio, and married to an Lins e Silva.

 
The press made a cardboard if Sean.
Turned public opinion against the boy's father because he's a regular guy and the husband of her dead mother is a wealthy Rio and referenced in a judicial and grandson of a lawyer who took Angela Diniz guilty for having been killed by Dock Street.
The daughter of Angela Diniz, then 12, was the one who suffered most from the death of the mother.
I imagine the anger that she has the lawyer acquitted the murderer of his mother.

 
Sean Goldman will grow and become a man.
I wonder what it will feel to have been used by unscrupulous people and no sense of justice.

 
This is Brazil which we live.
It seems more that we are in the 19th century.
The ignorance here is what makes us think of disaffection patriotic.

 
BSHolveri
BSHolveri
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Claudia.Hope on December 30, 2009, 12:05:07 PM
Thank you !
The correct highlight...
 
Killing for Love, kidnapping for love , Sean Goldman's case.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Ellacott on December 30, 2009, 12:20:48 PM
Quote from: Rio Gringa;62462
Perfect!:yeahthat:
Thank you.  Our state of journalism is really suffering.  I think these people are jealous that they didn't get the same type of access.
Title: News makes money
Post by: ronsloan on December 30, 2009, 12:43:12 PM
One could argue that in a perfect world people like David Goldman should be paid something in return for access to him and the inside details of his story.  However, David needed the media exposure and wanted to give some exclusivity to people he trusted. NBC have been amazing and not betrayed that trust.  No money has changed hands and both parties have derived benefit from the relationship. Now we have seen how some of the media were never deserving of David's trust and are continuing to twist the facts. The news divisions of large media companies exploit trouble and conflict and if they can't be on the right side like NBC, they try to make money from the wrong side - which usually involves twisting facts and outright lies.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Roberta Palermo on December 30, 2009, 01:43:05 PM
Now David has to write a book. I hope someone help him  to do it. It has to have all the story and ways to solve the problem. I am a writer and when we write our experiences we fill better and  help people. I wrote two books about stepmother and one about nannies (everybody has one, two, three in Brazil)
Roberta Palermo
Family Therapist
http://www.robertapalermo.com.br
Title: Re: News makes money
Post by: Shar on December 30, 2009, 01:46:23 PM
Quote from: ronsloan;62496
One could argue that in a perfect world people like David Goldman should be paid something in return for access to him and the inside details of his story.  However, David needed the media exposure and wanted to give some exclusivity to people he trusted. NBC have been amazing and not betrayed that trust.  No money has changed hands and both parties have derived benefit from the relationship. Now we have seen how some of the media were never deserving of David's trust and are continuing to twist the facts. The news divisions of large media companies exploit trouble and conflict and if they can't be on the right side like NBC, they try to make money from the wrong side - which usually involves twisting facts and outright lies.

AGREE...THANK YOU, NBC...YOU HAVE A HEART!!

If NBC hadn't 't part of this incredible journey, where would Sean be now??  How many times did we forward their link from Jan. 30 around the world to anyone who would listen?  How did Chris Smith learn about David?  

re: NBC's charter flight from Brazil...NBC probably saved Sean from being snatched from his father's arms at the airport by the Brazilian family.  

I'm sure that NBC's honest, well-researched, thought-provoking and heart-wrenching coverage of this story will prove to be the catalyst for the return of other kidnapped children, too!

AGAIN....THANK YOU, NBC!!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JonathanR on December 30, 2009, 01:48:46 PM
Quote from: shaine;62452
I had to join in on the adding my two cents to Scott Jagow.
 
No Scott, you have this title wrong here. It should be Shame on you, Scott Jagow.
Learn the facts.
Did you bother to watch the press conference yesterday held by Patricia Apy, David Goldman's Lawyer? If you had, you would have seen that she addressed this very subject.
She stated that NBC already had the jet chartered, for their crew. They offered David & Sean a ride home seeing as they had the seating. She stated it was not the US Government's job to secure security for David & Sean. So for the best interest of Sean NBC did an outstanding service to this young boy, who's been the subject of a nasty international ABDUCTION case. This has NEVER been about custody Scott, if you had done your job as a journalist, you would know this to be fact.
They (NBC) have not paid for the story, nor have they been offered an "exclusive" deal. They however have been the ones to have been open to reporting the truth in this matter. They took this story to heart in 2008, when Meredith Viera spoke to David, and then having that Dateline special in January 2009, which you obviously were not aware of. They have developed a sense of security with David. He knows that he can trust they won't slander him, or run with fraudulent information.
Shame on you as a journalist, for not procuring the facts to the case before reporting this very biased piece.
Jeff Rossen & Meredith Viera are unsung heroes in this story.
Again, shame on you Scott Jagow.
Educate yourself on the truth to the matter.

Why the hell is this stupid side story about chartered planes and first-dib interviews even seeping into this saga?!! WHO CARES if NBC paid for a flight back?!!! And frankly, Meredith Vieira is the FIRST PERSON I'd have gone to to cover the trip back. You wanna bitch about journalism ethics? I'd steer my anger towards CBS!! I'm sure if David had money on his mind, he'd have a book deal and made-for-TV movie script next in the pipeline.
 
Honestly, people are probably just jealous that NBC was the go-to network. Sorry, you win some, you lose some. But shut up already with the "journalism ethics" crap! :burn:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Wendy on December 30, 2009, 02:08:04 PM
Quote from: JonathanR;62530
Why the hell is this stupid side story about chartered planes and first-dib interviews even seeping into this saga?!! WHO CARES if NBC paid for a flight back?!!! And frankly, Meredith Vieira is the FIRST PERSON I'd have gone to to cover the trip back. You wanna bitch about journalism ethics? I'd steer my anger towards CBS!! I'm sure if David had money on his mind, he'd have a book deal and made-for-TV movie script next in the pipeline.
 
Honestly, people are probably just jealous that NBC was the go-to network. Sorry, you win some, you lose some. But shut up already with the "journalism ethics" crap! :burn:

 
I really LIKE THIS!!!  You go dood!!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: cm on December 30, 2009, 02:18:40 PM
Nicole's Dad will be on FOX News! That's totally awesome!
 
I know that the LBP's of this forum are probably miles apart, but it would be awesome if Dateline could get the LBP's of this forum together with photos of their children. (It doesn't have to be NBC, any 'station' would suffice as long as they exhibit exceptional and compassionate journalism.)
 
I think they (Dateline), and the 'outside world', would be quite surprised by the number of Left Behind Parents. We've been speaking in numbers...60 + children still in Brazil, shed light on the other countries as well. Faces make it real. Hearing the voices make it real. I'm not saying that the 'number' doesn't make it real, but most people seem to be from the Show Me state (or have difficulty counting ;)).
 
It's easy for countries to hide this as long as it only involves the families. Get Mr. & Mrs. John Q Public's interest and insistence upon international justice and it can't be hidden anymore.
 
Just a thought.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: corundogs on December 30, 2009, 02:33:32 PM
I believe it was on this forum that the ABC article was posted that had the description on the video that Sean and DAVID were being lead through the media mob in front of the consulate.
 
I also saw that a couple of peope corrected it in the comment section.
 
But I contacted them through their "contact us" page - about ABCNEWS.COM content.
 
I told them this was unacceptable and if they are to be respected, they need to fact check and do factual reporting.
 
It has been changed.  It now says "Sean Goldman makes his way into the US Consulate in Brazil"
 
I am not sure if it was only my message to them...but it has now been changed.  
 
Better late than never I guess.  
 
Here is the link
 
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/david-goldman-sons-return-jersey-seamless/story?id=9443653
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Leah on December 30, 2009, 04:38:22 PM
Quote from: Ellacott;62460
This was my reply:
 
Renee | Respond (http://javascript:void(0);)
December 30, 2009 8:47 AM PT (http://www.publicradio.org/columns/marketplace/scratchpad/2009/12/shame_on_you_nbc.html#comment-2849013)
The unfortunate thing about the press is that many will refuse to do research and just jump on the bandwagon of what others are saying.
David Goldman’s attorney reiterated NBC’s role in thi saga. The jet was not a payoff and it was never a condition for an exclusive interview. This information was already out there but people(even journalists) refuse to do any research. That’s very disappointing.
 
If it weren’t for NBCs Dateline report David would probably still be fighting this case by himself and Sean would still be in Brazil.
 
No comments have been made by any of you who are upset with NBC about the Brazilian press and how they have been covering this case. Not one person in the media has come out and criticized the CBS Early Show for brokering a deal and gave the Brazilian family an all expense paid trip so they could tell their side of the story. Their story was full of lies and the anchor never challenged them or was prepared with facts about this case.
 
60 Minutes’ name was built on exclusive interviews. I don’t remember hearing a lot of outrage at how they do this.
 
Sometimes journalistic and human integrity is affirmed by getting involved. The safest way back to the states for Sean was by private jet. He had already been traumatized by that walk to consulate’s office. Another example is the media’s coverage of Katrina. If it had not been for the media the incompetence of the rescue operations would not have been spotlighted and help may have been even longer in getting there.
It’s a sad day when even our journalists can’t be objective.


Absolutely awesome post! As well as the other responses to the NPR piece posted here! It's heartening to know there are still intelligent people out there! :)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Karistx on December 30, 2009, 06:16:21 PM
Great interview....sorry if its already been posted.
 
http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2009/12/30/Custody-battle-over-Goldman/1262198592.html
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: cj13 on December 30, 2009, 06:43:08 PM
Quote from: Audax;62356
More NBC bashing. Post your comments to get the story straight.
 

I think many columnists are using the popularity of the David and Sean reunion to get hits on their website.  Clearly this man has nothing new to say, he's just re-hashing.  From now on out when I see a link to a story that is negative - I won't click on the link.  The less hits they get, the sooner they will go away (I hope).
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Audax on December 30, 2009, 07:55:11 PM
To all of you in New Jersey - News 12 NJ is having a poll tonight about which NJ story was most important to them this year.

You can go to http://www.news12.com or channel 612 and vote

I believe though that you must be a subscriber to cable TV in NJ
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: shaine on December 30, 2009, 08:11:49 PM
I've never seen a news site that charges you to just access the news!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Audax on December 30, 2009, 08:59:35 PM
Quote from: shaine;62681
I've never seen a news site that charges you to just access the news!


Welcome to NJ - one of the most expensive states to live in...
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: lovellboys on December 30, 2009, 09:34:29 PM
Quote from: Audax;62688
Welcome to NJ - one of the most expensive states to live in...


True that....I voted, but I doubt we can match the numbers for 'Miracle on the Hudson' though IMO, I think it's awesome the Goldman case is one of the three.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Chuckles on December 30, 2009, 10:22:43 PM
GREAT comments over at the NPR story, folks!

I had to leave just one more:

Quote
Scott, you're on the wrong side of the facts, history and public opinion on this one.  Among the many issues that are being overlooked here:

First, NBC's Dateline, for which Viera was initially reporting (subsequently cross-reported on Today), is an investigative news show.  They are not under the supposition of having an unbiased opinion on the story.  The goal of investigative reporting is to be expository, not balanced.  As an example, look at USA Today's recent investigative pieces on school food safety or earlier pieces on senior care and abuse in retirement/nursing facilities.  Responses from the story's "other side" are reported, but often given the little credence they deserve.  60 Minutes is the gold standard for this type of reporting.

Second, the simple fact is that NBC is the only outlet that ever really expressed any interest in reporting on the story in any kind of in-depth manner.  Also, they happen to be the one outlet that strived to get the facts right.

The greatest absurdity in all of the reporting on this case has been the reliance on wire reports (on which - judging from what I heard on the radio - NPR has also relied) which more often than not get even the most basic facts wrong in an effort to produce timely copy.

Perhaps you should have a bigger issue with news organizations that do absolutely no independent reporting of their own and rely on the ridiculous and often error-filled stories reported by other organizations.  If I had to bet my next paycheck, I'd bet it on the fact that this column of yours is based on just such a lazy approach to covering a topic; I can think of no other reason that you simply wouldn't have the facts at your disposal.

What are your sources on this, Scott?
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 30, 2009, 11:03:03 PM
Quote from: Karistx;62646
Great interview....sorry if its already been posted.
 
http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2009/12/30/Custody-battle-over-Goldman/1262198592.html
Thank you. Tried to embed it here but it didn't work.

Great comment by Chuckles on NPR.com
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianForJustice on December 30, 2009, 11:24:15 PM
Nicole's Dad interview on Fox News this afternoon:

Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Emily on December 31, 2009, 04:55:47 AM
Quote from: Chuckles;62709
GREAT comments over at the NPR story, folks!

Interesting.  That story is no longer there.
Title: Reinaldo Azevedo Strikes agains
Post by: Pepe on December 31, 2009, 05:21:35 AM
I was on vacation the last few days in a place with no internet. Reviewing what was published about the case I found the following article by Reinaldo Azevedo. It´s simple the best one I found! I apologize if this article has been posted here before, but I didn´t found it searching the forum.
 
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O GAROTO SEAN - O AMOR NÃO SE REGOZIJA COM A INJUSTIÇA, MAS COM A VERDADE!
 
Lamentável, deplorável, detestável — escolham aí os adjetivos desse paradigma — o carnaval promovido pelo ramo brasileiro da família do garoto Sean Goldman. Lamento: não há amor que justifique isso. ATÉ PORQUE O AMOR NÃO ESTÁ ACIMA DA LEI; O AMOR ESTÁ É EM OUTRO LUGAR. E, havendo amor, então é preciso que haja também bom senso. Estamos assistindo, com ampla cobertura de uma imprensa que, na média, também perdeu a medida, a uma espécie de concupiscência do sofrimento — um sentimento um tanto perigoso —, a que se somaram rasgos, calculem, de nacionalismo e até de teorias conspiratórias.
 
A presença desse menino do Brasil, contra a vontade de seu pai, de quem ele foi tirado, era SIMPLEMENTE ILEGAL. O Brasil já se viu na posição contrária e atuou para trazer de volta as suas crianças, e é o certo. É vexaminoso, se querem saber, que esse caso tenha chegado ao Supremo, o que pode ser atestado por qualquer pessoa com um conhecimento mínimo de direito. Lamento dizer que tenho minhas dúvidas se essa história teria chegado tão longe não fosse a fidalguia de uma das famílias envolvidas — Lins e Silva, do padrasto do menino. Um padrasto, à altura em que estavam as coisas, em situação muito especial.
 
Vestir no garoto a camisa do Brasil, mimetizando um confronto entre países, é não só ridículo; é perverso também. Os parentes do menino que assim procederam imputaram-lhe perdas adicionais, não fosse a tristeza, natural, de se afastar das pessoas com as quais conviveu nos últimos cinco anos. O que pretendem? Que se sinta para sempre estrangeiro em seu próprio país? Que resista a uma identidade a que tem direito? O apelo ao presidente Lula — e é chocante que alguns príncipes do direito tenham permitido tal investida — parece entender que o Brasil é um país sem leis, onde vigora a vontade do soberano; a verdadeira campanha que se desencadeou contra o ministro Gilmar Mendes — que decidiu segundo a lei — pretende pôr uma sombra de irracionalidade e emocionalismo numa decisão impecável. O que queriam as famílias Bianchi e Lins e Silva? Que as leis valessem para todos, menos para os fidalgos amorosos?
 
Vi a avó materna do garoto ontem na TV. Com a devida vênia, esta senhora está fazendo dumping de sofrimento. Mais do que ela, certamente sofre o menino Sean, submetido a um bombardeio emocional inacreditável, que só falta convocar a honra da pátria e acusar, sei lá, o imperialismo americano… Na TV, ela não teve dúvida: atacou Gilmar Mendes, COM TODA AQUELA AUTORIDADE E LICENÇA QUE AS PESSOAS QUE SOFREM TÊM PARA DIZER BOBAGENS E PARA SER INJUSTAS. E a televisão levou ao ar. E levará outras vezes. Porque isso é o filé das emoções baratas. Nem vou indagar se, fosse numa situação inversa, não estaria a pátria sendo igualmente mobilizada para trazer de volta um “brasileirinho”. Ela deitou falação. E fomos informados que o ministro preferiu não comentar. COMENTAR O QUÊ?
 
Há um processo de criminalização no país de quem segue as leis. Os “sofredores” podem ir para a televisão, como verdadeiros aiatolás, e declarar uma fatwa contra a reputação de A ou de B; afinal, se eles sofrem, então estão necessariamente certos. E que se danem as leis, a Constituição, os tratados internacionais. Depois do “Direito Achado na Rua”, chegou a hora do “Direito Achado nas Lágrimas”. E ele dá, então, licença até mesmo para seqüestros amorosos.
 
Chamem Salomão! Tenho dúvidas sobre o que fariam alguns desses sofredores se o Rei mandasse cortar a criança ao meio… Se as leis não bastam aos inconformados, eu lhes recomendo o “Amor”, aquele da Primeira Epístola de São Paulo aos Coríntios:
“O amor é paciente, é benigno; o amor não é invejoso; o amor não se vangloria, não se ensoberbece, não se porta inconvenientemente, não busca os seus próprios interesses, não se irrita, não suspeita mal; não se regozija com a injustiça, mas se regozija com a verdade; tudo sofre, tudo crê, tudo espera, tudo suporta.”
 
É isto: O AMOR NÃO SE REGOZIJA COM A INJUSTIÇA, MAS COM A VERDADE!
 
Parem de expor essa criança em praça pública. Sejam mais comedidos. Sejam mais amorosos. Sejam menos soberbos e concupiscentes em seu sofrimento. E não peçam que o país revogue as leis e os tratados internacionais porque, afinal, vocês estão tristes. Não permitam que tanto afeto ajude a tornar muitos brasilerios ainda mais estúpidos. Deixem os holofotes de lado e se apeguem a São Paulo!
 
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Google Translation
 
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The BOY SEAN - LOVE IS NOT PLEASED WITH THE INJUSTICE, BUT WITH THE TRUTH!
 
Regrettable, deplorable, detestable - then choose the adjectives that paradigm - the carnival sponsored by the Brazilian branch of the family of the boy Sean. Sorry: no love to justify it. WHY TO LOVE IS NOT ABOVE THE LAW, LOVE IS and elsewhere. And when love, then there must be also common sense. We are watching with wide coverage of a press that, on average, also lost the measure, a kind of lust of suffering - a feeling somewhat dangerous - which was seconded by tears, calculate, nationalism and even conspiracy theories.
 
The presence of this boy in Brazil, against the wishes of his father, from whom he was taken, was SIMPLEMENTE ILLEGAL. Brazil has already been seen in the opposite direction and acted to bring back their children, and is right. It inopportunely, if they want to know, that this case has reached the Supreme Court, which can be attested by anyone with minimal knowledge of law. I regret to say that I have my doubts whether this story would have come so far was not the nobility of one of the families involved - Lins e Silva, the stepfather of the boy. A stepfather, the time when things were in very special situation.
 
Dressing a boy in the shirt of Brazil, mimicking a confrontation between countries, is not only ridiculous, it is also perverse. Relatives of the boy who did so by attributing to him a further loss, there was sadness, naturally, to get away from people with whom he lived the last five years. What do you want? You feel forever foreigner in his own country? That resists an identity that is right? Appealing to President Lula - and it is shocking that some princes of the law have allowed such an attack - seems to understand that Brazil is a country without laws, which force the will of the sovereign, the real campaign that was unleashed against the Minister Gilmar Mendes - that decided under the law - wants to put a shadow of emotionalism and irrationality in decision impeccable. The families who wanted Bianchi and Lins e Silva? The laws were worth for all but the nobility of love?
 
I saw the boy's maternal grandmother yesterday on TV. With proper permission, this lady is doing dumping of suffering. More than her, he suffers the boy Sean, subjected to a barrage unbelievable emotional, needs only to call the honor of the fatherland and acknowledge, you know, American imperialism ... On TV, she did not hesitate: he attacked Gilmar Mendes, WITH ALL AUTHORITY AND LICENSE THAT PEOPLE SUFFERING HAVE TO SAY AND BOBAGENS to be unfair. And television aired. And will other times. Because this is the filet of cheap thrills. I will not even ask whether, in a situation were reversed, would not the country is also mobilized to bring back a "brasileirinho. She lay chatter. And we were told that the minister would not comment. COMMENT WHAT?
 
There is a process of criminalization in the country of those who follow the laws. The "suffering" can go to the TV, like real ayatollahs, and declare a fatwa against the reputation of A or B, after all, if they suffer, then they are necessarily right. And be damned laws, the Constitution, international treaties. After the "Find the Right Street", it was time for "Law Found in Tears." He then gave leave for even kidnapping love.
 
Call Solomon! I have questions about what they would do some of these sufferers if the King would send the child cut in half ... If the laws are not sufficient to non-conforming, I will recommend the "Love", that the First Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians:
"Love is patient, love is kind, love is not jealous, love does not boast, is not puffed up, not unseemly, seeks not its own interests, is not provoked, thinketh no evil, rejoiceth not in injustice, but rejoices with the truth, bears all things, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. "
 
It is this: LOVE IS NOT PLEASED WITH THE INJUSTICE, BUT WITH THE TRUTH!
 
Stop exposing this child in public. Are more restrained. Be more loving. Be less arrogant and lustful in their suffering. And do not ask the country to repeal the laws and international treaties because, after all, you are sad. Do not let that affect both help make many Brasilerio even more stupid. Let the spotlight aside and cling to Sao Paulo!
 
 
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Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Ellacott on December 31, 2009, 08:58:10 AM
Quote from: Emily;62756
Interesting. That story is no longer there.

I think he couldn't take the heat he was getting.  He did seem to walking back the comments he made.  Good.
 
One down, how many more to go?
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: SteveW on December 31, 2009, 09:21:14 AM
Went to dinner at my moms yesterday and she was livid that ABC had broadcast something the other morning, I believe.  It sounded like either an interview or footage of Silvana Rebeiros.  Anyone catch that?
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Wendy on December 31, 2009, 09:27:53 AM
what is so fascinating to me is that when I was in college studying journalism, the first term it was POUNDED into my head...report the facts, do your research, report the facts, do your research!  That was their mantra for the entire first term!  Apparently that mantra has completely flown out the window in favour of ratings and lazy reporting.  So sad.  Journalistic integrity is just gone.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Ellacott on December 31, 2009, 09:53:26 AM
Quote from: Wendy;62785
what is so fascinating to me is that when I was in college studying journalism, the first term it was POUNDED into my head...report the facts, do your research, report the facts, do your research! That was their mantra for the entire first term! Apparently that mantra has completely flown out the window in favour of ratings and lazy reporting. So sad. Journalistic integrity is just gone.

Lazy reporting is right.  Many of these journalists just want to become celebrities so they don't care about research or the facts.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: eliza on December 31, 2009, 08:18:51 PM
Please, someone knows how to dowlnload this video and translate for me?
http://www.app.com/article/20091229/NEWS/312290004
Thank you .Eliza
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Jackie in Upstate NY on December 31, 2009, 10:47:46 PM
Quote from: Wendy;62785
what is so fascinating to me is that when I was in college studying journalism, the first term it was POUNDED into my head...report the facts, do your research, report the facts, do your research! That was their mantra for the entire first term! Apparently that mantra has completely flown out the window in favour of ratings and lazy reporting. So sad. Journalistic integrity is just gone.
Reputable reporting with integrity evidently doesn't seem to draw the ratings that trash TV does. Look at the reality TV shows that the networks seem to think the public wants to watch. Nobody I know enjoys it or is even entertained by it. The TV is shut off for lack of something better to watch. What seems to be entertaining to society is not something that is based on honesty and integrity. As far as the disreputable networks go - its all about the $$$$$$. Take away the $$$$$ (don't watch their network) and they lose their advertising sponsors .... not so much $$$$$ . That - they understand.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Jeanne M Hannah on January 01, 2010, 12:29:12 PM
I don't know if you've seen the disgusting coverage from Brazzil Magazine (December 30, 2009). Here's a bit of it:

"Sean Goldman's grandmother, Silvana Bianchi, in another interview with the Brazilian press, said she wanted the Brazilian president to give her grandson in 2010 a gift, the right to speak about where he wants to live: in Brazil with her and his stepfather, or in the US where he was just taken back by his father David Goldman, after a five-year  legal battle.

"Just a few hours after stating she would not comment on Goldman's announcement that he intends to request a US$ 500,000 reimbursement to cover his legal fees, Bianchi called the decision an unfortunate move:

" 'I found the statement somewhat unfortunate at the time he should be looking after the interests of his son, making sure the child's little mind is adjusting well, but he is worried about seeking compensation,' the grandmother said in an interview with Globo TV's news program Jornal Nacional.

"She informed that she did not receive any notification about a possible collection action in the United States and once again expressed the wish to obtain permission to visit Sean.

                                                           * * *
"On Tuesday, Sérgio Tostes, the Bianchis' and Lins e Silva's (João Paulo Lins e Silva is Sean's stepfather) lawyer told reporters that Goldman's claim for compensation revealed his character. Tostes accused David Goldman of being interested only in getting money in this dispute and not in his son's well being."

The article is here:  http://tinyurl.com/yaheu4e (http://tinyurl.com/yaheu4e)

I left a comment . . . saying that Tostes ought to read Article 26 of the Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of Child Abduction http://tinyurl.com/yaheu4e and that kidnappers have to pay the parent for the fees and costs of recovering a kidnapped child.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Shar on January 01, 2010, 01:23:58 PM
These people did everything in their power to bankrupt David.

BECAUSE OF THEM, he has accrued incredible legal and other debt.  By forcing David to spend a fortune fighting their frivolous motions and lawsuits, these funds were virtually STOLEN from both Sean and David by the LeS and Bianchi/Ribeiros.  JPLeS and the Brazilian family members weren't looking out for Sean's welfare, were they??  

Also, we're talking reimbursement, NOT windfall!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Jeanne M Hannah on January 01, 2010, 01:58:55 PM
Quote from: Shar;63051
These people did everything in their power to bankrupt David.
 
BECAUSE OF THEM, he has accrued incredible legal and other debt.  By forcing David to spend a fortune fighting their frivolous motions and lawsuits, these funds were virtually STOLEN from both Sean and David by the LeS and Bianchi/Ribeiros.  JPLeS and the Brazilian family members weren't looking out for Sean's welfare, were they??  
 
Also, we're talking reimbursement, NOT windfall!

I agree, Shar. It is reimbursement and not windfall. Moreover, the Convention makes reimbursement of the costs incurred in getting a child returned under the Convention possible. It is my understanding that the rulings out of Brazil include the recovery of fees and costs for all of David's legal fees and other costs (including transportation) incurred as a result of the kidnapping. I love the way that Judge Pinto ruled that JPLeS' wrongful retention of Sean was "a second kidnapping." This of course makes David's filing for return after Bruna's death timely under the Convention, and also leaves the kidnappers liable for David's fees and costs.

JPLeS and Silvana should be happy that NBC picked up the tab for the return flight . . . that is less that they will have to pay.:D
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Chuckles on January 01, 2010, 04:48:21 PM
Quote from: Jeanne M Hannah;63060
JPLeS and Silvana should be happy that NBC picked up the tab for the return flight . . . that is less that they will have to pay.:D
That's great!  :D:D:D
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: chopchop on January 01, 2010, 07:28:56 PM
Quote from: Shar;63051
These people did everything in their power to bankrupt David.

BECAUSE OF THEM, he has accrued incredible legal and other debt.  By forcing David to spend a fortune fighting their frivolous motions and lawsuits, these funds were virtually STOLEN from both Sean and David by the LeS and Bianchi/Ribeiros.  JPLeS and the Brazilian family members weren't looking out for Sean's welfare, were they??  

Also, we're talking reimbursement, NOT windfall!
:yeahthat:


Quote from: Jeanne M Hannah;63060

JPLeS and Silvana should be happy that NBC picked up the tab for the return flight . . . that is less that they will have to pay.:D

:yeahthat:
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: heatheram29 on January 03, 2010, 07:29:29 PM
Quote from: jl2saint;61960
Let me restate this............
 
I think that the cheese has fallen off these people's crackers.............
 
 
Can I be anymore plain?????????????

 
:yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Shar on January 06, 2010, 12:13:36 AM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/01/04/ED041BAJOK.DTL
"Good dad, bad dad? Balloon and Brazil"

Link above to obnoxious article (referencing David) by Phil Bronstein.
 
My comment appears to have been taken down after a minute or two:
 
Sounds as if Mr. Bronstein was out of the loop for the 5+ years David Goldman fought for his son....over 4 years of which did NOT include any "heavyweight" help. If Mr. Bronstein would have taken the time to learn the facts, I don't think he would have caricatured this amazing father as he did. Unfortunately, the pain, facts, twists and turns of the needless saga Mr. Goldman endured don't seem to interest Mr. Bronstein. Using David Goldman to illustrate his point is a real disservice to David Goldman. There are many more left behind parents waiting behind Mr. Goldman. I hope Mr. Bronstein keeps the same distance from these unraveling stories as he did for the duration of David Goldman's fight for his son.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: liesl78 on January 06, 2010, 12:17:10 AM
Seriously, from P. Bronstein? Isn't he a single dad himself? I'm surprised...
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Shar on January 06, 2010, 12:21:25 AM
I know...Coming from him, it was surprising.  I'm really disappointed.  I believe I read he won custody of his son years ago.  Where's the empathy??
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JuliRosi on January 06, 2010, 03:23:57 AM
Quote from: Shar;63810
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/01/04/ED041BAJOK.DTL
"Good dad, bad dad? Balloon and Brazil"

Link above to obnoxious article (referencing David) by Phil Bronstein.
 
My comment appears to have been taken down after a minute or two:
 
Sounds as if Mr. Bronstein was out of the loop for the 5+ years David Goldman fought for his son....over 4 years of which did NOT include any "heavyweight" help. If Mr. Bronstein would have taken the time to learn the facts, I don't think he would have caricatured this amazing father as he did. Unfortunately, the pain, facts, twists and turns of the needless saga Mr. Goldman endured don't seem to interest Mr. Bronstein. Using David Goldman to illustrate his point is a real disservice to David Goldman. There are many more left behind parents waiting behind Mr. Goldman. I hope Mr. Bronstein keeps the same distance from these unraveling stories as he did for the duration of David Goldman's fight for his son.
Your comment is there! I read and I think that it was very good!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: nj1234 on January 06, 2010, 09:04:49 AM
Phil Bronstein is nothing but a bunch of sour grapes spewing forth nothing of worth.  He serves up Boones Farm as opposed to Kendall Jackson.

He took charge of a very popular and profitable newspaper and ran it into the ground and wants to place blame on everyone else but himself - internet, blogs, bad reporters, etc.  What he fails to admit to anyone is that he failed and then jumped ship like a deserting rat.  Now in his opinion all of the news media is wrong for reporting real stories that are of interest to their readers/viewers and he can't understand why others succeed where he failed.  Perhaps if he had steered the ship in a reasonable manner, recognized that times were changing he would have been more successful.

He gets insulted because someone tells him they get their news updates from the internet on their iphone and not from reading his newspaper column - well it is 2010 wake up Phil!  These internet sites get their stories from the same AP sources that your paper does so what is the difference?
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Shar on January 06, 2010, 11:06:44 AM
Quote from: JuliRosi;63820
Your comment is there! I read and I think that it was very good!

Thanks for the heads-up, JuliRosi...You're right...I just checked, and it's back!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Shar on January 06, 2010, 11:09:18 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sdp/two-men-who-deserve-to-be_b_413016.html
 
Another article..."Two Men who Deserve to be Named Father of the Year"
 
A quote:
The lesson from Goldman's experience is that our government needs to be proactive about international child custody agreements. Sean is not the only American child (and U. S. citizen) kidnapped by a parent and taken to another country. Sadly, once a child is out of the country, it is very difficult to enforce international laws. Our politicians need to be cognizant of this issue especially when trade agreements are being considered. Personally, I have made a commitment to never travel to Brazil - this country does not deserve my American tourist dollars if it is not willing to honor international law.
 
There's momentum building!!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: beach247 on January 06, 2010, 12:48:57 PM
Shar, you beat me to the punch.  I was going to post that story.  :)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: pam.in.ny on January 06, 2010, 12:59:16 PM
The weekly edition of The Vermont Journal was put online this morning. The
editorial is about the Goldman's, HR 3240 and Marty. The link is
vermontjournal.com  A friend of mine is one of the reporters for the paper and
told me that they were doing an editorial about the Goldman's and international
abductions. I did ask her to have them mention HR3240 and they did.

The paper reaches both NH, and VT readers. Hopefully this will help out
some with getting HR 3240 passed.

Pam
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Grace on January 06, 2010, 01:35:33 PM
Quote from: liesl78;63811
Seriously, from P. Bronstein? Isn't he a single dad himself? I'm surprised...

Yes, and he was married to Sharon Stone...
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Sashia on January 06, 2010, 02:02:39 PM
Quote from: Jeanne M Hannah;63060
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JPLeS and Silvana should be happy that NBC picked up the tab for the return flight . . . that is less that they will have to pay.:D
I think they should to have to reimburse NBC:D
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: lovellboys on January 06, 2010, 02:48:20 PM
Quote from: Grace;63881
Yes, and he was married to Sharon Stone...

There are so many things I could say in response to that, but I'll let it go :D
 
As it is, it's obvious we have yet another public persona who relies on faulty media sources to get stories for his column. There are too many articles like this out there, and no time or patience to respond to them all. The best thing we could do is simply ignore them and let them wallow in their own stupidity.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JamesJosephs on January 06, 2010, 02:51:53 PM
Quote from: pam.in.ny;63877
The weekly edition of The Vermont Journal was put online this morning. The
editorial is about the Goldman's, HR 3240 and Marty. The link is
vermontjournal.com A friend of mine is one of the reporters for the paper and
told me that they were doing an editorial about the Goldman's and international
abductions. I did ask her to have them mention HR3240 and they did.
 
The paper reaches both NH, and VT readers. Hopefully this will help out
some with getting HR 3240 passed.
 
Pam

Thanks for your efforts Pam.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: liesl78 on January 06, 2010, 03:19:42 PM
Pam, this is nice!

http://www.vermontjournal.com/news/2010-01-06/Editorial/Bring_Americas_Abducted_Children_Home_001.html

Bring America’s Abducted Children Home
   O ver 2,800 American children are being held in foreign countries against the wishes of their American parent. These parents have been trying unsuccessfully to bring their child back to the United States. HR bill 3240, “International Parental Child Abduction Act of 2009” was introduced by Rep. Christopher H. Smith R-NJ4 in July of 2009, and will work to bring these American children home. This problem came to the forefront when a man named David Goldman from New Jersey tried to get custody of his son from his in-laws, after the demise of their daughter, who had been his wife. David Goldman married Bruna Bianchi Carneio in Eatontown, NJ in 1999. The couple had a son, Sean Goldman. In June of 2004, Goldman drove his wife, her parents and his son to the airport for a two-week vacation at the grandparents home in Brazil. Upon arrival in Brazil, Bruna called David and told him the marriage was over, and she and their son were not returning to the United States. If David ever wanted contact with their son, he would have to grant full custody to her. Goldman never signed any papers granting custody, and his wife obtained a divorce in Brazil. She remarried in Brazil and passed away giving birth to the couples new child. David, Sean’s biological father, wanted his son home with him. The Hague Convention of October 25, 1980 on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction is a multilateral treaty, which seeks to protect children from abduction and retention across international boundaries. However the Brazilian courts ignored this treaty. Goldman persisted, and after five years of negotiations, Sean is finally home.
  H.R. 3240, if passed, will empower the United States to more aggressively pursue the resolution of abduction cases. Under this new law, when a country has shown a pattern of non-cooperation in resolving child abduction cases, the President will be able to respond decisively with a range of penalties identical to those enacted in 1998 as part of the International Religious Freedom Act (with the addition of a statement on non-reciprocity under the Hague Convention). The bill also authorizes the needed resources for this office and to expand its ability to collect detailed information on abductions and provides needed tools to policy makers and judges. After learning what Goldman did to bring his some back from Brazil, a Texas father is looking, with hope, to do the same thing. Marty Pate told Fox News that his ex-wife defied a custody agreement and returned to her native country of Brazil with the couple’s 8-year-old daughter, Nicole. Pate has been working for the past three and one half years to have her returned to the United States, but his daughter is still in Brazil. However, with Goldman’s success, Pate has renewed his efforts to bring his daughter home and is hopeful he will have his daughter back in Texas by summer. Our current system is not doing justice for left behind parents or for children whisked away from their mom or dad. In the last 3 years, abductions have increased 60 percent. Please join me in supporting the International Child Abduction Prevention Act of 2009 and end the nightmare of abduction. I urge you to call your Senators and Congressmen today and let them know you want them to co-sponsor HR 3240. Fifty sponsors are needed for the bill to move forward, and only 24 co-sponsors have signed on. Calls from citizens around the country will send a message to our lawmakers that abducting Americans of any age is just not acceptable.
  ~BM~
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Shar on January 06, 2010, 03:38:33 PM
Quote from: beach247;63874
Shar, you beat me to the punch. I was going to post that story. :)

I've got lots of name variations in my Google alerts...I was sitting at my computer when it came in! ;)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: pam.in.ny on January 06, 2010, 03:43:31 PM
The Vermont Journal prints and mails 32,000 copies. I know it isn't a lot compared to some newspapers but if some of those readers contact their
senators or congressmen, every little bit helps. My friend said that the Owner was more than happy to write and publish "that" editorial.

Pam


Quote from: JamesJosephs;63897
Thanks for your efforts Pam.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Celita on January 06, 2010, 03:56:40 PM
That lady may not know the Lord, and has no wisdom or any light of holiness, but  evil. When we are with Jesus we fear not evil or our enemies. Psalm 23 :"... You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows."
 
 
Quote from: jl2saint;60848
Grandmother Blasts Brazil for Selling Out Sean Goldman and Vows to Visit Him Soon
 
"Vow" all you want you ol battle axe....W/out Dave's permission, you are OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
And people wonder why we pile on her in her time of "grief"......
 
She won't stop w/ the insults. She won't stop w/ the "me, me, me"......
 
She is getting what she deserves and I for one hope she gets a lot more of it.......:nixweiss:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Celita on January 06, 2010, 04:01:32 PM
Ever since we started to have passion for David fight, we should keep fighting for all that need and be available. We might make the difference in this evil world. Unite we stand.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Lexi on January 06, 2010, 04:20:49 PM
Going back to Judge Nogueira's recent article, I tried reading it a few days ago but this time around I think his sophisticated language and thinking was too much for the google translator - some of the quality and meaning likely got lost in translation. I presume though it was as brilliant as others he has written.
 
---
 
Good job Pam. 32000+ people is a lot when you consider the ripple effect that could have...talking to friends and family, calling congressmen etc.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JonathanR on January 07, 2010, 01:29:42 AM
Quote from: lovellboys;63896
There are so many things I could say in response to that, but I'll let it go :D
 
As it is, it's obvious we have yet another public persona who relies on faulty media sources to get stories for his column. There are too many articles like this out there, and no time or patience to respond to them all. The best thing we could do is simply ignore them and let them wallow in their own stupidity.

What an infuriating article!! It's either one of 2 things - A. Plain old ignorance  B. An attempt to throw a monkey wrench into the story, simply b/c iresome claims/takes draw more readers.
 
Many people do plenty of cruel and horrible things for no apparent/justifiable reason. If Bronstein thinks otherwise, then he's living in a bubble.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: liesl78 on January 07, 2010, 11:58:55 AM
Does anyone know how to post an RSVP event on facebook? You know, the kind that people click yes/no/maybe and invite their friends? I wanted to make one for Dateline on Friday. FB is confusing to me, I couldn't find a way to do it.

BTW, if there is one already, can you please point where it is? Thanks!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: M.Capestro on January 07, 2010, 12:01:17 PM
Quote from: liesl78;64020
Does anyone know how to post an RSVP event on facebook? You know, the kind that people click yes/no/maybe and invite their friends? I wanted to make one for Dateline on Friday. FB is confusing to me, I couldn't find a way to do it.
 
BTW, if there is one already, can you please point where it is? Thanks!

This is a great idea! I'll ask Mark or Chuck to create one from the BSH site and start circulating it. I would do it, but I can't access from the office.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: pam.in.ny on January 07, 2010, 12:57:58 PM
I hope that I'm in the right thread. If not, feel free to delete or move my post.

The lack of coverage in my area about the Goldman's and HR3240 has gotten me stewing so badly that this morning, I sent an email concerning this to our local newspaper, not expecting to hear anything back from there (small town). To my surprise, the reply was almost immediate and from the GM/Editor asking me if I would consider my email for their use as a letter to the editor or Viewpoint section, printed and online. I emailed her back and said yes. I'm a graphic artist, not a writer, and below is what my email said. Perhaps if published, it will enlighten someone besides myself to help in any way that they can.

Pam

Quote
I've been following the Goldman abduction story for over a year now. Now that
father and son have been reunited, the fight goes on to bring the 2,000+ abducted
American children home. There are still 65 US children remaining in Brazil.

How come the Star Gazette isn't informing the public as to what is happening with
International Child Abduction? How many know what the bill HR 3240 is and what can we
do to encourage our elected Senators and Congressmen to co-sponsor this bill to help
prevent these internation abductions and give hope to the parents left behind.
Did you know that Eric Massa is one of the co-sponsors? Do his constituents know?
Where do Schumer and Gillibrand stand on this issue and what can they do to get the
House Bill HR3240 co-sponsored so it can go to the floor, passed, and sent on to the
Senate to be passed? How many Left Behind Parents (LBP) are there in New York
because of an international abduction and need to get there children returned home
to the US?

I've read several editorials, of which I've provided the links to a few of them, and just
wonder why isn't the Star Gazette doing anything to inform us of these international
child abductions as other newspapers are doing? With the 2 hour Dateline special on the
Goldman case airing Friday night on Jan, 8th, I think this would prove to be an opportune
time to bring this issue to the forefront.

Here are some links to some editorials about Stolen Children.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/bal-op.goldman07jan07,0,188533.story
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.goldman07jan07,0,2917201.story
http://www.vermontjournal.com/news/2010-01-06/Editorial/Bring_Americas_Abducted_Children_Home_001.html

As a Star Gazette Reader, I do hope that you will think about this issue and report about Internation Abduction.

With Regards,
Pam Bates
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: liesl78 on January 07, 2010, 01:43:11 PM
Pam, that's a great letter and I hope it gets published.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: pam.in.ny on January 07, 2010, 01:49:17 PM
Quote from: liesl78;64038
Pam, that's a great letter and I hope it gets published.

Thanks!!!! However, my high hopes have been short lived. I just now got an email from them. It may take me a while, but I'll see what I can do to get something to them using 200 words. Ohhhhhhh, to only be a writer. :conf:


Pam


Quote
Pam: I'm happy to publish a letter about the House bill you mention and the ongoing problem re: abducted children in Brazil. The maximum length of letters is 200 words. The below communique is more or less a critique of the newspaper's coverage of this issue and as such doesn't really fill the bill of a letter to readers encouraging them to get involved, write their members of Congress etc.
 
I think a more effective approach would be to describe the problem. say there is a bill on Congress and that Rep. Massa is a backer of it and to describe briefly what the bill woudl do. Then close by asking readers to contact their members of Congress -- House and Senate -- and encourage approval of this important piece of legislation.
 
We don't generally editorialize on national matters, but this might be one of those exceptions. I'd have to learn more about the bill and will be sure to ask Mr. Massa about it when he visits with the editorial board later today.
 
Thanks for your interest.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Caldwell on January 07, 2010, 02:00:15 PM
Quote from: pam.in.ny;64030
I hope that I'm in the right thread. If not, feel free to delete or move my post.

The lack of coverage in my area about the Goldman's and HR3240 has gotten me stewing so badly that this morning, I sent an email concerning this to our local newspaper, not expecting to hear anything back from there (small town). To my surprise, the reply was almost immediate and from the GM/Editor asking me if I would consider my email for their use as a letter to the editor or Viewpoint section, printed and online. I emailed her back and said yes. I'm a graphic artist, not a writer, and below is what my email said. Perhaps if published, it will enlighten someone besides myself to help in any way that they can.

Pam

Pam,

Not sure where exactly in the Finger Lakes you are located, but be aware that Rep. Eric Massa (NY 29th district, from just south of Rochester, south through Canandaigua and then the Southern Tier) has been an early co-sponsor of HR 3240, as well as Dan Maffei (NY 25, which also covers some of the eastern Finger Lakes).  You might want to include this information or ask the editors to reach out to these Reps, who all love good press.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JamesJosephs on January 07, 2010, 02:00:19 PM
Pam.  If you want any help with a letter that follows the suggested approach of the newspaper and is under 200 words, I am sure those of us on the forum would be happy to help.  Very timely that Rep Massa is meeting with the editorial board today!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Shar on January 07, 2010, 02:05:47 PM
Yea .....  U.S. District Judge from MD speaks up about enforcing the Hague!
 
www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.goldman07jan07,0,2917201.story (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.goldman07jan07,0,2917201.story)
baltimoresun.com
 
Justice for stolen kids
 
Sean Goldman is back with his father, but we must do more to resolve other tragic cases
 
By Peter J. Messitte
January 7, 2010
David Goldman will tell the world Friday on network TV about the happy ending to his heroic, five-year custody battle to retrieve his son from Brazil. Nine-year-old Sean captured the world's attention much the way that Elian Gonzalez did a decade ago. Like Elian's eventual return to his real father in Cuba, Sean is now back with his real father in New Jersey. It's a story that could have turned out differently.
 
When Sean's Brazilian mother left with him for Rio de Janeiro, then wrongfully detained him there five years ago (later divorcing his American father, remarrying a Brazilian and tragically dying in childbirth), she triggered Brazil's obligations under the Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction. Brazil - like the United States, a signatory to the convention - was obliged to send the child back to his habitual residence (clearly New Jersey), where the courts of that state would decide the issues of custody and visitation. It took almost five years, numerous court proceedings, and eventually protests from Congress, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and President Barack Obama, but - with Sean's father showing remarkable restraint and deep respect for legal process - the system finally worked.
 
However, five years is far too long. The presumptive time for return of a child under the convention is six weeks. Hundreds of other children of left-behind American parents are being wrongfully detained in foreign countries (Brazil among them), in many cases going on months and even years. For these parents, the anguish continues.
 
Legislation recently introduced by Rep. Chris Smith, a New Jersey Republican, attempts to put real teeth in the Hague Convention's weak enforcement mechanisms. Among other things, the proposed legislation would create an assistant secretary of state who would report regularly to the president on which countries are complying with the convention and which are not, suggesting sanctions that might be imposed against noncompliant signatories where appropriate. In the Goldman case, Sen. Frank Lautenberg, Democrat of New Jersey, eventually put a hold on all trade preferences with Brazil until its courts did what they were supposed to do under the convention. Quite possibly, that was enough to tip the scales.
 
But there are also some quieter efforts under way to improve the mechanisms that can lead to the return of wrongfully abducted children to their rightful homes. The International Hague Network of Judges links judges around the world by encouraging direct judicial communications not only in general but with regard to specific cases, with the aim of facilitating the prompt return of these children to their habitual residences (including returning them to other countries from the U.S. if they are wrongfully detained here).
 
As one of the four judges designated by the State Department to participate in this network, over the past 18 months or so that the network has been operative, my colleagues and I have seen impressive results. My own involvement in the Goldman case, modest as it was - speaking with judges, attorneys, and the Central Authority in Brazil - is a testament to this.
 
As an example of what is being accomplished, Hague Network judges in the United States recently proposed to the State Department that in each of the jurisdictions where a major American airport exists, a 24/7 duty judge should be designated by that jurisdiction to be available for emergency contact in the event that a parent is seeking to depart precipitously from the United States in violation of the custody order of an American court. The local judge could put a hold on the case for up to 24 hours, just enough time to hear from the state that has custody jurisdiction over the child.
 
This proposal would not have prevented Sean Goldman's wrongful detention in Brazil, since his mother in effect left the U.S. with him under false pretenses, then detained him there. But it may well prevent a number of inappropriate abductions in the future.
 
In our dealings in the coming months with judges and central authorities (designated under the Hague Convention to assure a country's compliance with the the convention), the Hague Network judges will be working hard to emphasize to our counterparts abroad that prompt compliance with the terms of the convention is in everyone's best interest - especially, but not only, the child's.
 
Peter J. Messitte is senior judge of the U.S. District Court for the District of Maryland.
 
 
 
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Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: pam.in.ny on January 07, 2010, 02:06:44 PM
Quote from: JamesJosephs;64041
Pam.  If you want any help with a letter that follows the suggested approach of the newspaper and is under 200 words, I am sure those of us on the forum would be happy to help.  Very timely that Rep Massa is meeting with the editorial board today!


Ohhhhhhh James, that would be wonderful to get some help. As I stated earlier, I'm a graphic artist and not a writer. LOL. I'll work up something and perhaps post it for any changes. Would that be the way to go? I hate to tie up valuable web space.

I did send the editor the BSHF link to HR3240 and perhaps he'll look it over before meeting with Massa.

Thanks,
Pam
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Chuckles on January 07, 2010, 02:08:11 PM
Quote from: M.Capestro;64023
This is a great idea! I'll ask Mark or Chuck to create one from the BSH site and start circulating it. I would do it, but I can't access from the office.
Done!  Start circulating it!

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=237961813482

Don't know why no picture is showing...
:nixweiss:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: liesl78 on January 07, 2010, 02:13:03 PM
Quote from: Chuckles;64044
Done!  Start circulating it!

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=237961813482

Don't know why no picture is showing...
:nixweiss:

Thanks, I've already RSVP'd and sent it to everyone. The photo IS showing.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Bob D'Amico on January 07, 2010, 02:15:43 PM
Pam,
Don't be discouraged. The biggest newspaper in NJ, the Star Ledger, hardly followed this story at all. They simply printed whatever came over the wires from the Associated Press. It wasn't until Sean was home that they assigned a reporter to the story.

They had a great opportunity to cover a Local story that went National and International but blew it.

Get this, the HQ of the Star Ledger is about 42 miles from David's home! Fortunately Bill Handleman of the Asbury Park Press followed it closely.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JamesJosephs on January 07, 2010, 02:20:05 PM
Quote from: pam.in.ny;64043
Ohhhhhhh James, that would be wonderful to get some help. As I stated earlier, I'm a graphic artist and not a writer. LOL. I'll work up something and perhaps post it for any changes. Would that be the way to go? I hate to tie up valuable web space.
 
I did send the editor the BSHF link to HR3240 and perhaps he'll look it over before meeting with Massa.
 
Thanks,
Pam

Why don't you work something up and post it on the thread, and people will give you suggestions.  I'm sure you'll do fine, your first letter was great!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: roger on January 07, 2010, 02:23:55 PM
Quote from: Shar;64042
Yea ..... U.S. District Judge from MD speaks up about enforcing the Hague!
 
www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.goldman07jan07,0,2917201.story (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.goldman07jan07,0,2917201.story)
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Justice for stolen kids
 
Sean Goldman is back with his father, but we must do more to resolve other tragic cases
 
By Peter J. Messitte
January 7, 2010
David Goldman will tell the world Friday on network TV about the happy ending to his heroic, five-year custody battle to retrieve his son from Brazil. Nine-year-old Sean captured the world's attention much the way that Elian Gonzalez did a decade ago. Like Elian's eventual return to his real father in Cuba, Sean is now back with his real father in New Jersey. It's a story that could have turned out differently.
 
When Sean's Brazilian mother left with him for Rio de Janeiro, then wrongfully detained him there five years ago (later divorcing his American father, remarrying a Brazilian and tragically dying in childbirth), she triggered Brazil's obligations under the Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction. Brazil - like the United States, a signatory to the convention - was obliged to send the child back to his habitual residence (clearly New Jersey), where the courts of that state would decide the issues of custody and visitation. It took almost five years, numerous court proceedings, and eventually protests from Congress, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and President Barack Obama, but - with Sean's father showing remarkable restraint and deep respect for legal process - the system finally worked.
 
However, five years is far too long. The presumptive time for return of a child under the convention is six weeks. Hundreds of other children of left-behind American parents are being wrongfully detained in foreign countries (Brazil among them), in many cases going on months and even years. For these parents, the anguish continues.
 
Legislation recently introduced by Rep. Chris Smith, a New Jersey Republican, attempts to put real teeth in the Hague Convention's weak enforcement mechanisms. Among other things, the proposed legislation would create an assistant secretary of state who would report regularly to the president on which countries are complying with the convention and which are not, suggesting sanctions that might be imposed against noncompliant signatories where appropriate. In the Goldman case, Sen. Frank Lautenberg, Democrat of New Jersey, eventually put a hold on all trade preferences with Brazil until its courts did what they were supposed to do under the convention. Quite possibly, that was enough to tip the scales.
 
But there are also some quieter efforts under way to improve the mechanisms that can lead to the return of wrongfully abducted children to their rightful homes. The International Hague Network of Judges links judges around the world by encouraging direct judicial communications not only in general but with regard to specific cases, with the aim of facilitating the prompt return of these children to their habitual residences (including returning them to other countries from the U.S. if they are wrongfully detained here).
 
As one of the four judges designated by the State Department to participate in this network, over the past 18 months or so that the network has been operative, my colleagues and I have seen impressive results. My own involvement in the Goldman case, modest as it was - speaking with judges, attorneys, and the Central Authority in Brazil - is a testament to this.
 
As an example of what is being accomplished, Hague Network judges in the United States recently proposed to the State Department that in each of the jurisdictions where a major American airport exists, a 24/7 duty judge should be designated by that jurisdiction to be available for emergency contact in the event that a parent is seeking to depart precipitously from the United States in violation of the custody order of an American court. The local judge could put a hold on the case for up to 24 hours, just enough time to hear from the state that has custody jurisdiction over the child.
 
This proposal would not have prevented Sean Goldman's wrongful detention in Brazil, since his mother in effect left the U.S. with him under false pretenses, then detained him there. But it may well prevent a number of inappropriate abductions in the future.
 
In our dealings in the coming months with judges and central authorities (designated under the Hague Convention to assure a country's compliance with the the convention), the Hague Network judges will be working hard to emphasize to our counterparts abroad that prompt compliance with the terms of the convention is in everyone's best interest - especially, but not only, the child's.
 
Peter J. Messitte is senior judge of the U.S. District Court for the District of Maryland.

This is such a great, concise, looking-forward article by an authoritative legal expert who could relate to the general public with such ease...I envy this guy.
 
It would be great if BHSF could somehow team up with this International Hague Network of Judges to provide long-lasting outreach efforts to spread the word within the legal community about enforcing the Hague.
 
In Latin America, for example, it is crucial to make it clear to the local family court judges that Hague cases MOST DEFINITELY ARE NOT CUSTODY CASES. This Network of Judges can play such a huge role about it.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: tweinstein on January 07, 2010, 02:47:16 PM
Quote from: roger;64049
In Latin America, for example, it is crucial to make it clear to the local family court judges that Hague cases MOST DEFINITELY ARE NOT CUSTODY CASES. This Network of Judges can play such a huge role about it.
In my case, the BCA tried twice to convince the judge to accept help from a liaison judge. He rejected it the first time and I'm not sure what his reply was the second. I was told that there is nothing to compel a Brazilian judge to accept help if he/she does not want it.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Chuckles on January 07, 2010, 02:48:50 PM
Judge Messitte was one of the panelists at the House Lantos Commission hearing last month and was quite impressive.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: pam.in.ny on January 07, 2010, 05:23:22 PM
Ok, here is what I came up with. However, it is well over 300 words and I don't know how to simplify it to be reader friendly and 200 words. Any and all suggestions would truly be appreciated.
Thanks.
Pam
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If you've been following the Goldman international abduction story, you know that father and son have been reunited. However, the fight goes on for bringing over 2,800 abducted American children home, of which, in Brazil alone, there are still 65 American children.

 In July 2009, NJ Representative, Chris Smith, introduced the bill H.R. 3240, International Child Abduction Act of 2009. If passed, H.R.3240 would provide tools, to help bring these children home by opening the door for sanctions against countries that do not comply or who ignore the Hague Convention, and hopefully accelerate the return of Internationally kidnapped children. It shouldn't take five years to return an abducted child home.
 

 Some of the items that the bill would do is that it would establish within the Department of State, an Office on International Child Abductions which would be headed by the Ambassador at Large for International Child Abductions. The Ambassador at Large would be a principal adviser to the President and the Secretary of State regarding matters of international child abduction and refusals of rights of access.
 

 H.R. 3240  would require specific actions, by the President in response to any country designated by the President as a country with a pattern of non-cooperation, including sanctions if necessary.
 

 H.R. 3240 would require consultations with foreign governments and left-behind parents in the United States and other interested parties before the imposition of sanctions or other measures.
 

 H.R. 3240 lays out a variety of actions the President may employ in response to a country demonstrating a pattern of non-cooperation.
 

 H.R. 3240 amends the restriction for the issuance of passports for children under age 14 to allow for issuance passports in limited situations involving joint custody abroad.
 

 As of today, H.R. 3240 sits in committee waiting for enough co-sponsors before it goes to the floor for debate and voting. If passed, it will go to the Senate for passage and to the President for signing into law. New York has 29 Congressman and 2 Senators. Only two New York Congressmen have co-sponsored H.R. 3240, Rep. Eric Massa and Rep. Daniel Maffei.
 

 It is urgent that this bill passes so that all internationally abducted American children can be returned home to their left behind parent(s). I urge you to write your Congressman and Senators and have them support and pass H.R. 3240.
Quote from: JamesJosephs;64041
Pam.  If you want any help with a letter that follows the suggested approach of the newspaper and is under 200 words, I am sure those of us on the forum would be happy to help.  Very timely that Rep Massa is meeting with the editorial board today!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JonathanR on January 07, 2010, 05:25:28 PM
Quote from: Bob D'Amico;64047
Pam,
Don't be discouraged. The biggest newspaper in NJ, the Star Ledger, hardly followed this story at all. They simply printed whatever came over the wires from the Associated Press. It wasn't until Sean was home that they assigned a reporter to the story.
 
They had a great opportunity to cover a Local story that went National and International but blew it.
 
Get this, the HQ of the Star Ledger is about 42 miles from David's home! Fortunately Bill Handleman of the Asbury Park Press followed it closely.

Kind of strange. Were they not interested b/c it wasn't "hot", or did the news just pass them by?
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JamesJosephs on January 07, 2010, 07:15:11 PM
PAM. Check your PMs.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Bob D'Amico on January 07, 2010, 08:38:51 PM
Quote from: JonathanR;64070
Kind of strange. Were they not interested b/c it wasn't "hot", or did the news just pass them by?

Dunno? 42 miles must be a long way to go for a story. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: beach247 on January 07, 2010, 08:49:16 PM
David Goldman: a study in courage, dignity




http://www.app.com/article/20100107/NEWS/1070349/David-Goldman--a-study-in-courage--dignity
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: jlpoag on January 07, 2010, 09:29:54 PM
Quote from: beach247;64091
David Goldman: a study in courage, dignity
 
 
 
 
http://www.app.com/article/20100107/NEWS/1070349/David-Goldman--a-study-in-courage--dignity

This is an excellent article....
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: cj13 on January 07, 2010, 11:40:14 PM
Yes, let the healing begin.  
 
Actually - it has begun already.  
 
Sean is a lucky boy! He is so loved.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JonathanR on January 08, 2010, 12:53:49 AM
Quote from: beach247;64091
David Goldman: a study in courage, dignity
 
 
 
 
http://www.app.com/article/20100107/NEWS/1070349/David-Goldman--a-study-in-courage--dignity

What an extraordinary human being.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: nj1234 on January 08, 2010, 06:26:38 AM
So do you think Silvania, JP, Luca and Serge will be tuning in tonght to NBC Dateline?
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Caldwell on January 08, 2010, 11:03:39 AM
Quote from: nj1234;64130
So do you think Silvania, JP, Luca and Serge will be tuning in tonght to NBC Dateline?

Who cares? They are so yesterday!;)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Gina_NJ on January 08, 2010, 11:19:03 AM
Quote from: JonathanR;64110
What an extraordinary human being.

I 100% agree with you! Reading this piece, it was so nice to see the focus on David's struggle and the reassurance that Sean was adjusting well - but not all up that poor kid's business like other outlets have done.  David is remarkable and common all at once: just your everyday dad loving his son with no bounds (as a parent should) and also a man turned superman able accomplish the almost impossible.  A true David vs Goliath story.

And finally it was just sweet.  Not bittersweet.  Just sweet.  happy sigh!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: lovellboys on January 08, 2010, 11:23:08 AM
Quote from: beach247;64091
David Goldman: a study in courage, dignity
 
 
 
 
http://www.app.com/article/20100107/NEWS/1070349/David-Goldman--a-study-in-courage--dignity

What a truly wonderful article.  I can't think of what else to say.........:clapping:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Grace on January 08, 2010, 01:13:59 PM
Quote from: nj1234;64130
So do you think Silvania, JP, Luca and Serge will be tuning in tonght to NBC Dateline?

Brazil com Z had a comment from someone who saw JP kissing his new GF in a mall in Rio. He went shopping with her. Chiara nowhere to be seen. JP may try to see the show to see what they are saying about him, but I think he is really moving on fast. Sean is so lucky to be home with his father.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: ProudDaddy on January 08, 2010, 01:18:34 PM
Quote from: Grace;64188
Brazil com Z had a comment from someone who saw JP kissing his new GF in a mall in Rio. He went shopping with her. Chiara nowhere to be seen. JP may try to see the show to see what they are saying about him, but I think he is really moving on fast. Sean is so lucky to be home with his father.
Chiara must be with  her granny. It is the custom here when the mother dies. Surely JP has full  custody, etc, but who is changing diapers, feeding and nursing the little girl  is granny, for sure. JP is a single and busy man, and has no time and skills  (and maybe patience) to deal with a toddler.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: LukieD on January 08, 2010, 01:28:34 PM
Quote from: ProudDaddy;64189
Chiara must be with her granny. It is the custom here when the mother dies.

yeah, God forbid the father want to raise his daughter! That sounds like an excerpt from Silvana's letter. And I don't mean to be glib PD, I know what you mean and frankly I agree, that's likely what is going on.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Jackie in Upstate NY on January 08, 2010, 05:04:00 PM
Quote from: LukieD;64193
yeah, God forbid the father want to raise his daughter! That sounds like an excerpt from Silvana's letter. And I don't mean to be glib PD, I know what you mean and frankly I agree, that's likely what is going on.
Somebody send me an e-mail the day JP wants his daughter back ... maybe to grow up with newbies ????
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Caldwell on January 09, 2010, 11:03:15 AM
Not sure if this has been posted, from Huffington.  David for "Father of the Year" and it DOES close with mention of the bigger problem of abducted children:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sdp/two-men-who-deserve-to-be_b_413016.html
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianFriend on January 09, 2010, 01:16:04 PM
In her open letter to Lula, Silvana Bianchi's outrageous statement about her curiously invented Brazilian customs have already been criticized right and left but it is important to reaffirm how far off from reality she is.

It is not common for a toddler to be cared for by granny in case the mother dies.  This is just in case the father is a deadbeat or absent dad, which JPLS seems to be.  In any case, it is quite obvious that Silvana's "customs" do not apply to David, who is an exemplary father.  It must also be said that a child with a deadbeat dad and a mother who has passed away may be cared of by the father's new wife or girlfriend, any willing and legally assigned relatives, or even be sent to an orphanage by the government.  In extreme cases, a child in such dire straits may end up being cared for by an older sibling, especially children who are also poor...  Grannies certainly have no priority and JPLS's new girlfriend may also share part of the blame, depending on where their relationship stands.

This is no different from many other places on this earth.



Quote from: ProudDaddy;64189
Chiara must be with  her granny. It is the custom here when the mother dies. Surely JP has full  custody, etc, but who is changing diapers, feeding and nursing the little girl  is granny, for sure. JP is a single and busy man, and has no time and skills  (and maybe patience) to deal with a toddler.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: ProudDaddy on January 09, 2010, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: BrazilianFriend;64626
In her open letter to Lula, Silvana Bianchi's outrageous statement about her curiously invented Brazilian customs have already been criticized right and left but it is important to reaffirm how far off from reality she is.

It is not common for a toddler to be cared for by granny in case the mother dies.  This is just in case the father is a deadbeat or absent dad, which JPLS seems to be.  In any case, it is quite obvious that Silvana's "customs" do not apply to David, who is an exemplary father.  It must also be said that a child with a deadbeat dad and a mother who has passed away may be cared of by the father's new wife or girlfriend, any willing and legally assigned relatives, or even be sent to an orphanage by the government.  In extreme cases, a child in such dire straits may end up being cared for by an older sibling, especially children who are also poor...  Grannies certainly have no priority and JPLS's new girlfriend may also share part of the blame, depending on where their relationship stands.

This is no different from many other places on this earth.
I beg to differ, the custom exists indeed. Nothing  formal, nothing written in stone but it exists. Grannies help mothers to raise  the children and grannies from the maternal side takes precedence. Several years  ago a friend of mine and his wife were summoned by a Family Judge - their daughter was  found unfit to care her child, a little boy. It seems that at the time she was a  heavy narcotic user. Before calling anyone, the judge asked the maternal  grandmother if she wanted to care her grandson while the mother stayed in a  institution. If she refused the judge would make the same offer to the paternal  grandmother, and then send the boy to an orphanage. Of course granny number one  accepted and cared for the boy for 2 years. Eventually the mother got rid of the  addiction, took over her little boy and are happy with him.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianFriend on January 09, 2010, 03:07:41 PM
I agree that in Brazil women in general are favored to take care of children and that this extends to the maternal grandmother.  It's also undeniable that there's a gender bias in custody disputes that leads mothers to be favored, although exceptions do exist.  However, the situation you described is fundamentally different.  Where's the father in the picture?

There's no custom in Brazil to bypass a living, breathing, and outstanding father to favor granny number one.  To think otherwise is completely jarring to me!




Quote from: ProudDaddy;64640
I beg to differ, the custom exists indeed. Nothing  formal, nothing written in stone but it exists. Grannies help mothers to raise  the children and grannies from the maternal side takes precedence. Several years  ago a friend of mine and his wife were summoned by a Family Judge - their daughter was  found unfit to care her child, a little boy. It seems that at the time she was a  heavy narcotic user. Before calling anyone, the judge asked the maternal  grandmother if she wanted to care her grandson while the mother stayed in a  institution. If she refused the judge would make the same offer to the paternal  grandmother, and then send the boy to an orphanage. Of course granny number one  accepted and cared for the boy for 2 years. Eventually the mother got rid of the  addiction, took over her little boy and are happy with him.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: ProudDaddy on January 09, 2010, 03:13:42 PM
Quote from: BrazilianFriend;64646
I agree that in Brazil women in general are favored to take care of children and that this extends to the maternal grandmother.  It's also undeniable that there's a gender bias in custody disputes that leads mothers to be favored, although exceptions do exist.  However, the situation you described is fundamentally different.  Where's the father in the picture?

There's no custom in Brazil to bypass a living, breathing, and outstanding father to favor granny number one.  To think otherwise is completely jarring to me!
The father of that boy was also a drug junkie. he  was already under treatment at the time and managed to recover and get rid of  the addiction as well.
 
 But fully agreed, while the custom of favoring  grannies to raise (or better saying, take care of) their grandchildren in  exceptional situations, they have no legal rights when it comes to custody -  this will belong always to the living parent.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Grace on January 09, 2010, 03:39:48 PM
In the Lins e Silva's case, JP is the kind of upper class Brazilian who grew up with nannies and maids. A guy like him would never take care of a toddler himself, not only because he doesn't have the skills, it is not something "dignified" for a man of "his stature" to do. He would have nannies, day and night, to do the dirty work. He would see the child en passant during his comings and goings to and from the office, to and from expensive restaurants. A man in Brazil raised like him does not even want to give orders to the maid; this is something a woman does-a wife. Men like him don't stay single long because they don't really know how to live without a woman-and Brazil is a couples oriented society, people don't live alone much or stay single.
 
So, in Chiara's case, Silvana must run the show. Grandma Lins e Silva seems to be very absent in this whole case. Maybe she has a bit of common sense, which none of the others do.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: KarmaGirl on January 09, 2010, 04:24:57 PM
I believe that Silvana told Sean not to worry, they would get him back.  So in Sean's mind, this is just "vacation" and therefore he doesn't need to invest too much in being in NJ.  I think talking to Silavana on the phone frequently, will reinforce the fact that "they are going to get him back."  The Brazilian family are saying this now in the papers, they vow to get Sean back.  Very disturbing.  Silvana even said when she talked to Sean that she was "dying with longing."  Is that helpful to Sean?  Sean HAS to be separated from the Brazilian family in mind and spirit to fully respect David as his father and to completely adjust to living in the US and to be HAPPY!  He doesn't need to be guilted in to living between two countries and two families.  He needs to be allowed to fully trust and fully invest in his father and his life here.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: BrazilianFriend on January 09, 2010, 04:38:35 PM
I will refrain from making comments about JPLS's upbringing, about which I know nothing.  But I would dare say that there has been a paradigm shift in Brazilian culture regarding the attitudes of men from JPLS's generation as opposed to his father's.  Men who are now about 30 or 40 have learned to be more present in their child's life and to take care of a toddler although, it is true, the bulk of child care still pertains to the women in their lives.

However, I find it odd that JPLS would relinquish his own daughter and allow her to live and be raised by his mother-in-law.  If there is a tradition is Brazil, it is that one that says that mothers-in-law are the devil incarnate!  I happen to love my mother-in-law and to be in excellent terms with her but I wouldn't allow her to raise my children.

People of JPLS's standing could easily hire an army of nannies, cooks, cleaning ladies, etc. to take care of his household, not to mention his new girlfriend, who could certainly be in charge.  It's sickening to me that Silvana declared in an interview that she considered Sean as her son, which leads me to believe that she also considers Sean's half sister as her daughter.

Perhaps they let Chiara and Sean live with Silvana as another element of their extremely flawed reasoning to keep the boy away from his dad.  Perhaps, given that they will still continue their legal shenanigans, it makes sense to keep her where she is...

If JPLS had any balls, he would say "enough is enough" to the old lady and would get his own daughter back to his house.  After all, there's still a lawsuit this guy started accusing David of soiling his family's name and reputation.  Well, if they continue along this path, they will be the ones to hammer the last nail into their own coffins...

Does anyone know how this other legal proceeding against David--accusing him of harming the reputation of the Lins e Silva--is moving along?
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Shar on January 09, 2010, 05:37:47 PM
Quote from: BrazilianFriend;64657
I will refrain from making comments about JPLS's upbringing, about which I know nothing. But I would dare say that there has been a paradigm shift in Brazilian culture regarding the attitudes of men from JPLS's generation as opposed to his father's. Men who are now about 30 or 40 have learned to be more present in their child's life and to take care of a toddler although, it is true, the bulk of child care still pertains to the women in their lives.
 
However, I find it odd that JPLS would relinquish his own daughter and allow her to live and be raised by his mother-in-law. If there is a tradition is Brazil, it is that one that says that mothers-in-law are the devil incarnate! I happen to love my mother-in-law and to be in excellent terms with her but I wouldn't allow her to raise my children.
 
People of JPLS's standing could easily hire an army of nannies, cooks, cleaning ladies, etc. to take care of his household, not to mention his new girlfriend, who could certainly be in charge. It's sickening to me that Silvana declared in an interview that she considered Sean as her son, which leads me to believe that she also considers Sean's half sister as her daughter.
 
Perhaps they let Chiara and Sean live with Silvana as another element of their extremely flawed reasoning to keep the boy away from his dad. Perhaps, given that they will still continue their legal shenanigans, it makes sense to keep her where she is...
 
If JPLS had any balls, he would say "enough is enough" to the old lady and would get his own daughter back to his house. After all, there's still a lawsuit this guy started accusing David of soiling his family's name and reputation. Well, if they continue along this path, they will be the ones to hammer the last nail into their own coffins...
 
Does anyone know how this other legal proceeding against David--accusing him of harming the reputation of the Lins e Silva--is moving along?

 
In my view, any man who tries to steal the son of another man AND "offloads" his own daughter on his (disturbed?) mother-in-law lacks a heart, a soul and a conscience.

It leaves me incredulous that a father would leave his baby daughter to the devices of a seemingly tormented grandmother in a home that must be simmering with anger, grief and revenge!
 
Where's Chiara's OTHER grandmother? It wouldn't surprise me if she was denied visitation!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: nina on January 09, 2010, 05:45:50 PM
Quote from: Grace;64652
In the Lins e Silva's case, JP is the kind of upper class Brazilian who grew up with nannies and maids. A guy like him would never take care of a toddler himself, not only because he doesn't have the skills, it is not something "dignified" for a man of "his stature" to do. He would have nannies, day and night, to do the dirty work. He would see the child en passant during his comings and goings to and from the office, to and from expensive restaurants. .

...to do the dirty work....

And the nice work too: to raise his children, love them, nurture them, support them, guide them...as he might be to busy for that :nixweiss:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: AnotherDad on January 09, 2010, 06:02:41 PM
Quote from: nina;64668
...to do the dirty work....
 
And the nice work too: to raise his children, love them, nurture them, support them, guide them...as he might be to busy for that :nixweiss:

The "work" of loving and raising someone else's children, if you know the day is coming when your access to them will end, and while you would always be "hired help", is not nice work. That is simply deferred misery. JPLS and Granny are both King Midas in reverse; everything they do turns into something steamy and stinky. :shitstorm3:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: AnotherDad on January 09, 2010, 06:08:33 PM
Quote from: BrazilianFriend;64657
Does anyone know how this other legal proceeding against David--accusing him of harming the reputation of the Lins e Silva--is moving along?

I think it would be hard for that to continue because LeS did so much damage to not only their firm, but the reputation of Brazil, by their own hand. You can't sue somebody for calling you a murderer if you are convicted of murder before the suit comes to trial. :)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Lianne on January 09, 2010, 07:09:30 PM
Here is (in Portuguese) about Dateline with Sean and David

http://www.tribunaimpressa.com.br/Conteudo/NBC-exibe-programa-especial-sobre-volta-de-Sean,161894,60038
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Lianne on January 09, 2010, 07:14:15 PM
More midia from Brasil (today Sunday 9 of Jabuary, 201]

http://www.uai.com.br/htmls/app/noticia173/2010/01/09/noticia_internacional,i=143152/MENINO+SEAN+E+TEMA+DE+ESPECIAL+NA+TV+AMERICANA.shtml
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Lianne on January 09, 2010, 07:18:27 PM
News today in Brasil about Sean calling David DAD

http://www.estadao.com.br/geral/not_ger493041,0.htm
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Lianne on January 09, 2010, 07:28:55 PM
More media coverage in Brasil today about Dateline yesterday

http://veja.abril.com.br/noticia/brasil/menino-sean-tema-especial-tv-americana-524687.shtml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

http://noticias.bol.uol.com.br/entretenimento/2010/01/09/tv-americana-exibe-especial-sobre-sean-goldman.jhtm
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: AnotherDad on January 09, 2010, 07:53:51 PM
Is all of this in Portuguese? Never mind that. Wish I knew what these things were saying.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Elizabeth on January 09, 2010, 07:59:32 PM
My hunch is that the Bianchi-LeS family is now in the process of turning on themselves. Having lost the battle over Sean, they are playing the blame game, tearing into each other like pit bulls.  Silvana is furious at JP & Tostes ("You're LAWYERS--You promised me we would win--You're both incompetent!!!").  As JP moves closer to his next marriage--his third--he and Silvana will become more estranged because she will always resent him replacing her daughter with another woman. If he waited 10 years to re-marry, Silvana would say it's "too soon". Obviously, JP and his bride will not be living under the same roof with his angry meddling ex-MIL.  And Silvana will surely consider his new Mrs unfit to raise her sainted daughter's child.  At that point little Chiara will be caught up in a rope-pull between father and grandmother.

Meanwhile back in Tinton Falls, five thousand miles from the drama, Sean is in the calm custody of his loving father.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: asoldierhasmyheartx3 on January 09, 2010, 08:08:53 PM
Quote from: Lianne;64680
Here is (in Portuguese) about Dateline with Sean and David

http://www.tribunaimpressa.com.br/Conteudo/NBC-exibe-programa-especial-sobre-volta-de-Sean,161894,60038
 



here is what is is translated to

The boy Sean Goldman pretended joy in the scenes exhibited today (09) in special program of the NBC about his return to the United States.  His relation with father is good, despite of he second, distant a little remain the own one David Goldman.  In this week, by the first time, in images grasped by the channel of TV, the boy calls the American of "dad".  

In the program, that presented hard criticisms to the maternal family, to the stepfather João Paulo Lins and Hisses and to the lawyer of them, Sergio you Brown, - everybody described like sequestradores - also were shown engravings of the mother, Polish Bianchi, threatening the husband and, others moments, saying clearly that David was a good father, going against the versions of that he it treated evil.  

Unpublished scenes of David joking with Sean in visit the Brazil in 2008 were to the air.  In them, the two joke cheerfully, with the very happy boy by the presence of the father.  The two practically they ignored the presence of a psychologist - imposed condition by the maternal family in the epoch - and of officials of the American embassy.  

In the plane, when returned of Rio it Edging, Sean was far from be sad by come back to the U.S.A., in agreement the maternal family said.  He appears doing war of food with the reporter of the NBC, that paid to its journey the Brazil.  Also jokes with the father and visit the cabin of the plane.  In the Florida and afterwards in New Jersey, Sean plays American soccer and basketball with the cousins and caresses the cat in images of the TV.  

To NBC, that comes being criticized by his ethics of pay to the father for have exclusive rights in case of, accompanied the return of Sean for its old house, of where was led by the mother in 2004.  The images were deeds by cellular and done not stay clear itself were recorded by a relative of David or by some cameraman TO first hypothesis looked to more probable by the amateurism of the images.  

Sean entered in home running, opening the presents, lively.  "Where it is my room of toys", says.  The boy, sudden, runs for the handrail of the stair and squeaks "looks the marks of my tooth", remembering of some passages of its infancy.  The father opens a champagne without alcohol and says "we are going to celebrate".  The two they drink happy.  The boy also opens the door for the entrance of the relatives and does joke when with everybody.  In the boom, in images grasped by the NBC, upon joking with the father and friends in the garden, he says - "Dad, comes here.  Dad comes here".  In interview the next day to his return, David said that Sean still not him to have called of father.  This was to first time.  

In the engravings made by the father of the phone calls of the mother, she appears some brave hours and, in other, calm.  "I do not want live more in New Jersey", says irritated, accentuating each syllable.  Upon explaining his party, affirms that "knew that you never would go give me the divorce".  In another one, it affirms clearly that David was a marvelous father.  

One of the ironies is that the pilot of the plane that brought Sean, Mike Funiciado, is the even though led the Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez of Meow for Cuba in an episode similar to the of Sean Goldman.  In the transmission of today, beyond him, the heroes were the young Brazilian lawyers of Goldman, Ricardo Zamariola and Landmarks Ortiz.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: asoldierhasmyheartx3 on January 09, 2010, 08:12:58 PM
Quote from: Lianne;64680
Here is (in Portuguese) about Dateline with Sean and David

http://www.tribunaimpressa.com.br/Conteudo/NBC-exibe-programa-especial-sobre-volta-de-Sean,161894,60038

Quote from: Lianne;64684
News today in Brasil about Sean calling David DAD

http://www.estadao.com.br/geral/not_ger493041,0.htm




The boy Sean Goldman pretended joy in the scenes exhibited in the Friday to the night in special program of the NBC about his return to the United States.  His relation with father is good, despite of he second, distant a little remain the own one David Goldman.  In this week, by the first time, in images grasped by the channel of TV, the boy calls the American of "dad".  
In the program, that presented hard criticisms to the maternal family, to the stepfather João Paulo Lins and Hisses and to the lawyer of them, Sergio you Brown - everybody described like sequestradores - also were shown engravings of the mother, Polish Bianchi, threatening the husband and, in others moments, saying clearly that David was a good father, going against the versions of that he it treated evil.  In phone calls recorded, the mother says, irritated:  "I do not want live more in New Jersey", accentuating each syllable.  Upon explaining his party, affirms:  "Knew that you never would go give me the divorce" unpublished Scenes of David joking with Sean in visit the Brazil in 2008 were to the air.  In them, the two joke cheerfully and practically ignored the presence of a psychologist - imposed condition by the maternal family in the epoch - and of officials of the American embassy.  To NBC, that comes being criticized by his ethics of pay to the father for have exclusive rights in case of, accompanied the return of Sean for its old house, of where was led by the mother in 2004.  Sean enters in home running, opening the presents, lively.  "Where it is my room of toys", says.  The boy runs for the handrail of the stair and squeaks "looks the marks of my tooth", remembering of some passages of its infancy.  The father opens a champagne without alcohol for celebrate.  In images grasped by the NBC upon joking with the
father and friends in the garden, he says - "Dad, comes here".  In interview the next day to his return, David said that Sean still not him to have called of father.  This would have been to first time.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: asoldierhasmyheartx3 on January 09, 2010, 08:15:52 PM
and all the other ones are like the same as the others
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Elizabeth on January 09, 2010, 08:22:40 PM
You gotta love those translators:

João Paulo Lins and Hisses
Sergio you Brown

:)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Audax on January 09, 2010, 10:13:08 PM
Quote from: Elizabeth123;64697
You gotta love those translators:

João Paulo Lins and Hisses
Sergio you Brown

:)


Here's a better translation:

The boy Sean Goldman appeared joyful in scenes appear today (09) in the NBC special program on his return to the United States. His relationship with his father is good, although it remains some way off, according to the David Goldman. This week, for the first time in images captured by the TV channel, the boy calls the U.S. "Dad."

The program, which featured harsh criticism of the maternal family, his stepfather John Paulo Lins e Silva and their lawyer, Sergio Tostes - all described as hijackers - were also shown recordings of the mother, Bruna Bianchi, threatening the husband and other times clearly stating that David was a good parent, going against the versions that he treated her badly.

Deleted scenes of David playing with Sean on a visit to Brazil in 2008 were aired. There, the two play happily with the boy delighted by the presence of the father. The two virtually ignored the presence of a psychologist - a condition imposed by the maternal family at the time - and officials of the U.S. embassy.

On the plane, when he returned from Rio to Miami, Sean was far from sad to return to the U.S., as saying the maternal family. It appears food making war with the reporter for NBC, which paid for his trip to Brazil. Also playing with his father and visit the cabin. In Florida and then New Jersey, Sean plays football and basketball with his cousins and strokes the cat in the TV images.

NBC, which has been criticized for their ethics to pay the father to have exclusive rights in the event, followed Sean's return to his old house, which was taken by his mother in 2004. The images were made by phone and were not clear whether they were recorded by a relative of David or a cameraman The first hypothesis seemed the more likely by the amateurism of the images.

Sean ran into the house, opening gifts, excited. "Where is my playroom," he says. The boy suddenly ran to the railing of the staircase and screams "look at the marks of my teeth, remembering some passages of his childhood. The father opens a non-alcoholic champagne and says "let's celebrate." The two drink happy. The boy also opens the door for the entry of relatives and jokes when all. At its peak in images taken by NBC, playing with his father and friends in the garden, he says - "Daddy, come here. Come here Daddy." In an interview the day after his return, David said that Sean had not yet called the father. This was the first time.

In recordings made by the father of the mother calls, she appears angry and a few hours, in others quiet. "I do not want to live in New Jersey," said angry, emphasizing each syllable. Explaining his departure, said: "I knew you would never give me a divorce." In another, clearly states that David was a wonderful father.

One of the ironies is that the pilot of the plane that brought Sean, Mike Funiciado is the same that led the Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez from Miami to Cuba on an episode similar to that of Sean. The transmission of today, beyond it, the heroes were the young Brazilian lawyers Goldman, Ricardo Zamariola and Marcos Ortiz.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Grace on January 09, 2010, 11:51:04 PM
I suppose very few Brazilians, if any, watched that first Dateline. That show had a strong impact on many people. For me, the impact was very strong, being Brazilian myself, a parent (imagining what it would be like if my spouse took away my child) and the clear evidence that David was a good father. The fact that Bruna said it herself should have invalidated all the lies and rumors the Brazilian family tried to spread. But somehow these things were lost in the majority of the Brazilian public, conveniently hidden by this ridiculous "secret of justice".
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Ana Cristina Costa on January 10, 2010, 12:52:27 AM
Forgive me my friend but it does NOT say Sean PRETENDED JOY. On the contrary, it says SEAN SHOWED JOY.

Quote from: asoldierhasmyheartx3;64693
here is what is is translated to

The boy Sean Goldman pretended joy in the scenes exhibited today (09) in special program of the NBC about his return to the United States.  His relation with father is good, despite of he second, distant a little remain the own one David Goldman.  In this week, by the first time, in images grasped by the channel of TV, the boy calls the American of "dad".  

In the program, that presented hard criticisms to the maternal family, to the stepfather João Paulo Lins and Hisses and to the lawyer of them, Sergio you Brown, - everybody described like sequestradores - also were shown engravings of the mother, Polish Bianchi, threatening the husband and, others moments, saying clearly that David was a good father, going against the versions of that he it treated evil.  

Unpublished scenes of David joking with Sean in visit the Brazil in 2008 were to the air.  In them, the two joke cheerfully, with the very happy boy by the presence of the father.  The two practically they ignored the presence of a psychologist - imposed condition by the maternal family in the epoch - and of officials of the American embassy.  

In the plane, when returned of Rio it Edging, Sean was far from be sad by come back to the U.S.A., in agreement the maternal family said.  He appears doing war of food with the reporter of the NBC, that paid to its journey the Brazil.  Also jokes with the father and visit the cabin of the plane.  In the Florida and afterwards in New Jersey, Sean plays American soccer and basketball with the cousins and caresses the cat in images of the TV.  

To NBC, that comes being criticized by his ethics of pay to the father for have exclusive rights in case of, accompanied the return of Sean for its old house, of where was led by the mother in 2004.  The images were deeds by cellular and done not stay clear itself were recorded by a relative of David or by some cameraman TO first hypothesis looked to more probable by the amateurism of the images.  

Sean entered in home running, opening the presents, lively.  "Where it is my room of toys", says.  The boy, sudden, runs for the handrail of the stair and squeaks "looks the marks of my tooth", remembering of some passages of its infancy.  The father opens a champagne without alcohol and says "we are going to celebrate".  The two they drink happy.  The boy also opens the door for the entrance of the relatives and does joke when with everybody.  In the boom, in images grasped by the NBC, upon joking with the father and friends in the garden, he says - "Dad, comes here.  Dad comes here".  In interview the next day to his return, David said that Sean still not him to have called of father.  This was to first time.  

In the engravings made by the father of the phone calls of the mother, she appears some brave hours and, in other, calm.  "I do not want live more in New Jersey", says irritated, accentuating each syllable.  Upon explaining his party, affirms that "knew that you never would go give me the divorce".  In another one, it affirms clearly that David was a marvelous father.  

One of the ironies is that the pilot of the plane that brought Sean, Mike Funiciado, is the even though led the Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez of Meow for Cuba in an episode similar to the of Sean Goldman.  In the transmission of today, beyond him, the heroes were the young Brazilian lawyers of Goldman, Ricardo Zamariola and Landmarks Ortiz.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Ana Cristina Costa on January 10, 2010, 01:00:28 AM
Yes, unfortunately MOST Brazilians didn't watch the Jan 2009 Dateline special. Nor the Jun 09 one. And much less the new one that aired yesterday. And NBC has already said the 2 hour special won't be put on line.

The main reason is the FACT that most Brazilians don't speak English so they don't search the web for videos that happen to be in English.  I suspect that only the more educated people, that had access to the internet pages  covering  David and Sean's case (in English) know the whole story. The REAL story. The language barrier here IS a major problem in getting more Brazilians to understand the case.

Not knowing English prevented many people from having access to any information besides the lies that Rede Globo (with the Braz fam) aired and published in it's newspapers and magazines.

Thank God there was/is David's page (with the Portuguese version) or folks in Brazil would be in the dark!

Quote from: Grace;64724
I suppose very few Brazilians, if any, watched that first Dateline. That show had a strong impact on many people. For me, the impact was very strong, being Brazilian myself, a parent (imagining what it would be like if my spouse took away my child) and the clear evidence that David was a good father. The fact that Bruna said it herself should have invalidated all the lies and rumors the Brazilian family tried to spread. But somehow these things were lost in the majority of the Brazilian public, conveniently hidden by this ridiculous "secret of justice".
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Lianne on January 11, 2010, 04:03:36 AM
Excellent article. Unfortunately is in Portuguese, but I notice that here has excellent and competent Portuguese/English translations

http://www.alemdanoticia.com.br/ultimas_noticias.php?codnoticia=2630
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JuliRosi on January 11, 2010, 04:23:11 AM
Notícia do Estadão sobre o especial do Dateline.
http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/geral,menino-sean-e-tema-de-especial-na-tv-americana,493041,0.htm
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Roberta Palermo on January 11, 2010, 07:14:04 AM
Finally they are telling the true story and talking about Bruna´s phone calls. Brazilian people, helloooo! Roberta Palermo
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Audax on January 11, 2010, 08:15:28 AM
Quote from: Lianne;64900
Excellent article. Unfortunately is in Portuguese, but I notice that here has excellent and competent Portuguese/English translations

http://www.alemdanoticia.com.br/ultimas_noticias.php?codnoticia=2630


Translation:
Sean Goldman, happy in the U.S., called David's father


Sean David Goldman called father. "Hey Dad, come here. Come here dad" (Father, come here. Come here dad), said the boy in pictures that appear on NBC special tonight. The images also show the boy happy all the time, playing with the American cousins, with the father, with his grandfather. Even on the plane, he made war food, laughed and was in the cabin. The boy still has a non-alcoholic champagne to celebrate his return. And he was thrilled to see their teeth marks on the railing of the stairs.

The network also showed a tape of the mother, still alive, making threats to David. At one point, irritated, she screams "I am not going to live in New Jersey again" (I'm not going to live in New Jersey again). The father answered calmly. In another passage, she speaks clearly, "I know you're a wonderful father."

Curiously, the pilot of the plane that brought Sean is the same that took Elian Gonzalez to Cuba. The U.S. at that time agreed to return Cuban boy to an enemy country because they are signatories to the Hague as well as Brazil, and believe that children should stay with their parents.

A pity the mother and stepfather family left their father so much time away from his son. Moreover, the U.S., they are treated like kidnappers by the press. Reported by Estadão.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Audax on January 11, 2010, 08:22:23 AM
Quote from: JuliRosi;64904
Notícia do Estadão sobre o especial do Dateline.
http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/geral,menino-sean-e-tema-de-especial-na-tv-americana,493041,0.htm


Boy Sean is the subject of special on American TV

GUSTAVO CHACRA - Agencia Estado

NEW YORK - The boy Sean Goldman joy appeared in scenes shown last night on the NBC special program on his return to the United States. His relationship with his father is good, although it remains some way off, according to the David Goldman. This week, for the first time in images captured by the TV channel, the boy calls the U.S. "Dad."



The program, which featured harsh criticism of the maternal family, his stepfather John Paulo Lins e Silva and their lawyer, Sergio Tostes - all described as hijackers - were also shown recordings of the mother, Bruna Bianchi, threatening her husband, and at other times, clearly stating that David was a good parent, going against the versions that he treated her badly. In recorded phone calls, the mother says, irritated: "I do not want to live in New Jersey", stressing each syllable. Explaining his departure, said: "I knew you would never give me a divorce."



Deleted scenes of David playing with Sean on a visit to Brazil in 2008 were aired. There, the two play happily and virtually ignored the presence of a psychologist - a condition imposed by the maternal family at the time - and officials of the U.S. embassy.



NBC, which has been criticized for their ethics to pay the father to have exclusive rights in the event, followed Sean's return to his old house, which was taken by his mother in 2004. Sean ran into the house, opening gifts, excited. "Where is my playroom," he says. The boy runs to the railing of the stairs and screams "look at the marks of my teeth, remembering some passages of his childhood. The father opens a non-alcoholic champagne to celebrate. In images taken by NBC, playing with his father and friends in the garden, he says - "Daddy, come here." In an interview the day after his return, David said that Sean had not yet called the father. This would have been the first time.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: beach247 on January 11, 2010, 09:00:32 PM
http://www.kelowna.com/2010/01/11/foundation-to-lend-clout-in-custody-fight-child-abduction-canadian-seeks-to-get-son-6-out-of-brazil/

Foundation to lend clout in custody fight; Child Abduction; Canadian seeks to get son, 6, out of Brazil
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: kim in socal on January 18, 2010, 01:44:38 PM
Don't know if this is posted somewhere else but I just came across this pic with 60+ comments on TMZ. I know, I know that this isn't really media coverage but the pic and the comments are good. There are always a few idiots who like to post but it does bring awareness to the folks who read this site...
http://www.tmz.com/category/tmzsports/
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: liesl78 on January 18, 2010, 04:28:31 PM
Has this been posted yet?

http://www.app.com/article/20100117/OPINION/1170327/-Scripted-lines--in-Goldman-case-instructive

"Scripted lines" in Goldman case instructive
 
By RICHARD A. WARSHAK


Shame on Brazil's judiciary for taking seriously the argument that "the will of the child must be determined" in the David Goldman case, thus postponing Sean's return and extending his father's agony.

But shame on us when our own Court of Appeals granted an injunction in 2000 to bar the removal of Elian Gonzales from the U.S. because the INS failed to ascertain Elian's wishes.

Parents who abduct children to the U.S. often allege that their children hate or fear the left-behind parent and succeed in getting our courts to prevent the children's return. Thousands of divorced parents engage in psychological abduction when they program their children to reject the former spouse. A mother may live down the street from the children she raised and loves but have no contact with them because the children allegedly no longer want a relationship.

Involving children in major decisions that affect their lives seems enlightened. Child advocates call this empowerment. Children crying out for protection from abuse must be heard. Children in custody battles, though, pay a price for the privilege of speaking to the judge. Their opinions become up for grabs by whichever parent has the most influence on — and the least compunction about — exploiting them. In our effort to protect children from physical and sexual abuse, we cannot ignore the hidden suffering of children who are manipulated to take sides in their parents' disputes.

Three psychologists determined that Sean was a victim of attempts to poison his love for his father. When the court found in favor of the dad, the stepfather issued a videotape, eerily reminiscent of Elian's taped performance in which he emphatically claimed that he did not want to return to his father.


Predictably, Sean played to his audience, declaring his wish to remain in Brazil with his stepfamily and have no contact with his father. The young boy delivered the lines scripted for him, claiming he felt "violated" by his father's visits.

A child who denounces a loving parent, while under the influence of adults, resembles hostages who develop a bond with their abductors and prisoners of war who issue statements criticizing their country.

This ploy sometimes backfires in custody cases, as it should, because judges know that children are malleable and frown upon adults using children as pawns. But courts too often fail to take a firm stand against parents who teach children to hate or fear their other parent. Judges order a parent to facilitate the children's contact with the other parent, but then impose no consequences when that parent flouts the orders.

Allowing a child's programmed statements to rule the outcome of a custody case sends the wrong signal. It tells parents that the path to custody is to obstruct the children's access to their other parent, poison their affections and use the legal system to make the damage permanent.

When these children grow up, they suffer a burden of guilt for having turned on a parent and they mourn the lost years of contact. They are angry that they were exploited to advance a vindictive parent's agenda and perplexed that they were allowed to make a life-altering decision under extreme emotional duress and without the benefit of maturity.

We may think we are hearing a child's voice when, in fact, we may be receiving a distorted broadcast laced with the static of a charged emotional atmosphere. Or, the voice may be delivering a script written by another. Or, it may reflect the desire to placate, take care of or pledge loyalty to a parent. Or it may be the trembling voice of a child cowering in the shadow of an emotionally abusive parent, who, no longer having a spouse to intimidate, control and beat, now uses the children to fulfill the same pathological aims. All the while the child may secretly hope that those entrusted with his or her welfare will see through the charade.

When we have good reason to suspect that children speak in a voice that is not their own or that does not advance their best interests, we must not allow a concern for "children's rights" to keep us from rescuing children from being enlisted as agents in their own deprivation.

 Additional Facts        
The opinions of children in custody battles become up for grabs by whichever parent has the most influence on — and the least compunction about — exploiting them.
 
             
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Elizabeth on January 18, 2010, 05:19:09 PM
Quote from: liesl78;66103
Shame on Brazil's judiciary for taking seriously the argument that "the will of the child must be determined" in the David Goldman case.....

I don't know how Tostes kept a straight face presenting this garbage to the court along with those phony *I Want to Live in Brazil* exhibits. The will of a 9 year old child subjected to 5 years of PA should trump the Hague Convention?  Pathetic.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JonathanR on January 18, 2010, 10:07:03 PM
Quote from: Roberta Palermo;64911
Finally they are telling the true story and talking about Bruna´s phone calls. Brazilian people, helloooo! Roberta Palermo

hopefully they've fed themselves to the lions and the media has a field day with them. do you think this special has woken people up?
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Nora on January 20, 2010, 05:45:19 PM
The picture of David and Sean that was shown here in an earlier post at the Nets game is in today's Page Six of the New York Post - Sightings.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: FC_Florida on January 20, 2010, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: Nora;66280
The picture of David and Sean that was shown here in an earlier post at the Nets game is in today's Page Six of the New York Post - Sightings.


I have to say I find kind of awkward to see David and Sean's pictures being shown on TMZ and most recently, Page Six...I like the update about them but still...
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: KarmaGirl on January 21, 2010, 03:17:49 AM
I think they are fine with it. A little celebrity thrown in to the "feel good" and morally righteous story of the year.  Don't worry too much, they'll soon live privately.  We will all love them from afar.  I think the press is really not a problem, they aren't stalking them or hunting them down!  Just a pic here and there.  Maybe it will help Sean realize how a whole nation banded together to fight for him, some hands on, some through prayer, some by raising awareness, etc.  Maybe it will help him be grateful for his Dad and his chance to be here.  He has to be wondering why he is a celebrity.  The answer is he is the most loved little boy in the world, by his Dad!  He should know that.  I see no harm in this.  Just some thoughts.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Ana Cristina Costa on January 21, 2010, 03:26:02 AM
KarmaGirl I totally agree with you.
Maybe all this media attention will help Sean realize what a wonderful father he has and how much he fought to be with him.


Quote from: KarmaGirl;66305
I think they are fine with it. A little celebrity thrown in to the "feel good" and morally righteous story of the year.  Don't worry too much, they'll soon live privately.  We will all love them from afar.  I think the press is really not a problem, they aren't stalking them or hunting them down!  Just a pic here and there.  Maybe it will help Sean realize how a whole nation banded together to fight for him, some hands on, some through prayer, some by raising awareness, etc.  Maybe it will help him be grateful for his Dad and his chance to be here.  He has to be wondering why he is a celebrity.  The answer is he is the most loved little boy in the world, by his Dad!  He should know that.  I see no harm in this.  Just some thoughts.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Grace on January 21, 2010, 08:26:25 AM
Article about how the political support David had made a big difference in the success of this case, reason why contacting your representative about the issue of international parental child abduction is so important: http://trak.in/india/success-in-goldman-case-unique-in-international-child-abduction-cases/economy-52854/
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Ellacott on January 21, 2010, 08:40:50 AM
Quote from: KarmaGirl;66305
I think they are fine with it. A little celebrity thrown in to the "feel good" and morally righteous story of the year. Don't worry too much, they'll soon live privately. We will all love them from afar. I think the press is really not a problem, they aren't stalking them or hunting them down! Just a pic here and there. Maybe it will help Sean realize how a whole nation banded together to fight for him, some hands on, some through prayer, some by raising awareness, etc. Maybe it will help him be grateful for his Dad and his chance to be here. He has to be wondering why he is a celebrity. The answer is he is the most loved little boy in the world, by his Dad! He should know that. I see no harm in this. Just some thoughts.

So true.  I saw an interview where David said people frequently approach them and congratulate him and say how much they respect him for what he did to get his son back.  David said that he thinks it's good for Sean to hear people say those things about his father.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JonathanR on January 21, 2010, 01:49:46 PM
Quote from: KarmaGirl;66305
I think they are fine with it. A little celebrity thrown in to the "feel good" and morally righteous story of the year. Don't worry too much, they'll soon live privately. We will all love them from afar. I think the press is really not a problem, they aren't stalking them or hunting them down! Just a pic here and there. Maybe it will help Sean realize how a whole nation banded together to fight for him, some hands on, some through prayer, some by raising awareness, etc. Maybe it will help him be grateful for his Dad and his chance to be here. He has to be wondering why he is a celebrity. The answer is he is the most loved little boy in the world, by his Dad! He should know that. I see no harm in this. Just some thoughts.

I agree. I think little blurbs here and there go a long way. They let David and Sean's supporters know they're doing fine without prying into their lives. Unlike the dark side who used Sean to gain notoriety, placing him square in the middle of a media feeding frenzy! :mad2:
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: FC_Florida on January 21, 2010, 04:40:25 PM
Quote from: Grace;66322
Article about how the political support David had made a big difference in the success of this case, reason why contacting your representative about the issue of international parental child abduction is so important: http://trak.in/india/success-in-goldman-case-unique-in-international-child-abduction-cases/economy-52854/


That's the type of media attention this case should be getting. It's a great article and I was happily surprised that it was written in the Economy section in a newspaper in India.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Motherof2 on January 21, 2010, 05:55:27 PM
Quote from: FC_Florida;66376
That's the type of media attention this case should be getting. It's a great article and I was happily surprised that it was written in the Economy section in a newspaper in India.


Great article. However, I believe that if Bruna was still living, Sean would not have been returned to the US. I am sorry to say but I think the LBP will have a long fight in their hands if both parents are living.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: finn on January 21, 2010, 06:26:52 PM
Quote from: Motherof2;66384
Great article. However, I believe that if Bruna was still living, Sean would not have been returned to the US. I am sorry to say but I think the LBP will have a long fight in their hands if both parents are living.

 
I completely agree with you. Think about what it took to get this "no-brainer" case resolved.  It had to enlist congressmen, senators, sec. of state and the president to get involved at some level.  It will be more difficult for other LBPs whose ex-spouse is still alive and "working the system".  That's why this has to become an issue of global awareness to be addressed at government levels - whatever it takes for countries to respect and honor policies.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Ellacott on January 21, 2010, 10:44:28 PM
Quote from: Motherof2;66384
Great article. However, I believe that if Bruna was still living, Sean would not have been returned to the US. I am sorry to say but I think the LBP will have a long fight in their hands if both parents are living.

David's Brazilian lawyer said the same thing in the Dateline(web only) video.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: KarmaGirl on January 22, 2010, 09:14:50 PM
You are all right that this would have been a different fight if Bruna were living (which is so sad to say) and you also are right that if Sean hears people on the streets congratulating and commending David for his love, and bravery, and fight to get Sean back it can only help.  It will take a lot of positive comments and time with David to undue Silvana's negative brainwashing.   David deserves the positive attention after such heartache.   They both deserve this happy ending.  I already think that Sean is adjusted.  It is all so wonderful.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Motherof2 on January 22, 2010, 09:28:39 PM
At almost 10 years old Sean already  knows and feels the love David and his american family has for him. He will be fine. I believe that as he gets older he will want to forget his Brazilian family in part because he is probably smart enough to understand what they did to him.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: AnotherDad on January 24, 2010, 08:32:43 PM
I am noticing, fortunately, that we are not getting continuous papparazi-style photos and videos of David and Sean from various TMZ sources. Just being low-key and enjoying a (wonderful) quiet life is enough to bore the media, especially with the Haiti disaster and plenty of other "real" celebrity goings on. Add all of that to Granny's inability to continually interest a sympathetic Brazilian media with her novella-style crying, and even the Brazilians are tired of Granny and the whole story. I like to also believe that Tostes established himself along the way as both a monster that any child (from anywhere) would really scream about, and a loser attorney you would not hire in Brazil. Strip away his own connections, separate from his client's, and he's just a loser, nothing more.:)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: margie on January 24, 2010, 09:14:06 PM
Quote from: beach247;64091
David Goldman: a study in courage, dignity

What a good article. Really got the feeling even more of what David went through. How could he have ever given up? How could any parent stop trying? But he did it with dignity. That was truly remarkable.

I'm so happy Sean and David are back home together for good!

Margie


http://www.app.com/article/20100107/NEWS/1070349/David-Goldman--a-study-in-courage--dignity
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JonathanR on January 25, 2010, 02:22:14 AM
Quote from: AnotherDad;66602
I am noticing, fortunately, that we are not getting continuous papparazi-style photos and videos of David and Sean from various TMZ sources. Just being low-key and enjoying a (wonderful) quiet life is enough to bore the media, especially with the Haiti disaster and plenty of other "real" celebrity goings on. Add all of that to Granny's inability to continually interest a sympathetic Brazilian media with her novella-style crying, and even the Brazilians are tired of Granny and the whole story. I like to also believe that Tostes established himself along the way as both a monster that any child (from anywhere) would really scream about, and a loser attorney you would not hire in Brazil. Strip away his own connections, separate from his client's, and he's just a loser, nothing more.:)

marty, i'm holding my breath on completely agreeing (;)) until february rolls around when i'm *SURE* there will be at least some media resurgence when the supreme court reconvenes and bernarda alba starts hammering them for sean's testimony.
Title: Re: Dark side is appealing the decision and asks for Sean's immediate return
Post by: phillyone on January 26, 2010, 05:32:19 PM
Quote from: Candida;61855
If you know the Brazilian culture, you will understand why they have to do this. It's about saving "face". They are prominent people and used to having things going their way, so this loss (not necessarily loss of Sean but loss as in the case) is a hard pill to swallow.
 
Someone answered to one of my post about the Lins e Silva's business tanking - I really wonder who in their right mind would hire them for representation after learning of all the backroom tactics they have used on David.

I think Lins e Silva should have his law degree taken away from him.. Serves him right. What a scum bag he is!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Roberta Palermo on January 26, 2010, 06:11:01 PM
What I really want is respect. If the ex couple is not happy together anymore, what a pity! But they will be the parents forever. They can be horrible for each other, but they are the parents that the children have. The children are not boxes that belong to the mother or to the father. We choose things for our lives, and if we have children, we will see each other forever, it's our problem! In Brazil the mothers can do what they want and the men stay afraid of the justice, because they already know the mothers will have the preference. If Sean's mother was alive, I am sure David couldn't take Sean back. She did what she want to, and nothing happened! It's a brazilian serious problem, but when american children and other countries children's start having this problem in Brazil,it  is time to see that something really wrong is happening here. I am talking about law, but I am talking about respect! In US the laws work and american people are afraid of doing wrong things. Here nothing happens, its amazing! And they don't respect people from other countries as well. American people can't allow it!  I hope I can help  to take this maternal power away. Roberta Palermo
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Motherof2 on January 26, 2010, 08:09:53 PM
Roberta I am sorry to say that the laws in the US are not always followed, the people are not always afraid and we have the same shenanigans here as we have around the world. Trust me, we have our fair share of dishonest attorneys like the  Lins and Silva here too. We also have our share of kangaroo courts just like the one's David encountered in Rio de Janeiro. Like any justice system, it only works when you get your case to the highest court in the system and expose the rats at the bottom. Been there done that.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JonathanR on January 26, 2010, 10:46:41 PM
Quote from: Roberta Palermo;66719
What I really want is respect. If the ex couple is not happy together anymore, what a pity! But they will be the parents forever. They can be horrible for each other, but they are the parents that the children have. The children are not boxes that belong to the mother or to the father. We choose things for our lives, and if we have children, we will see each other forever, it's our problem! In Brazil the mothers can do what they want and the men stay afraid of the justice, because they already know the mothers will have the preference. If Sean's mother was alive, I am sure David couldn't take Sean back. She did what she want to, and nothing happened! It's a brazilian serious problem, but when american children and other countries children's start having this problem in Brazil,it is time to see that something really wrong is happening here. I am talking about law, but I am talking about respect! In US the laws work and american people are afraid of doing wrong things. Here nothing happens, its amazing! And they don't respect people from other countries as well. American people can't allow it! I hope I can help to take this maternal power away. Roberta Palermo

roberta, does it seem like the female role is that much more favored that even grandmothers would trump a father? just curious if you think that's why silvana's stay requests were continuously granted....
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: KarmaGirl on January 27, 2010, 01:27:55 AM
I do believe that transparency leads to accountability.  The Brazilian people need to demand transparency in their court system.  The US court system is better than it used to be because corrupt Judges and attorneys and staff were exposed, vilified, punished and weeded out.  They still exist, but it is no comparison to what has gone on in Brazil in the Goldman case.  I hope things change in Brazil.  
I also hope that parents who once love each other can adjust to a positive co-parenting relationship and stop using their children to further their conflict.
One day maybe?????
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Motherof2 on January 27, 2010, 01:52:54 AM
Ricardo Zamarialo, attorney for David Goldman on DadsDivorcelive.

http://www.dadsdivorce.com/audio/GoldmanBrazilCase.mp3
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: kitty97lover on January 27, 2010, 02:17:50 AM
An interview with David at the NJ Nets game a few weeks ago.
 
http://www.nba.com/nets/video/2010/01/25/JOANGoldman012210mov-1210034/index.html
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JonathanR on January 27, 2010, 02:36:21 AM
Quote from: kitty97lover;66751
An interview with David at the NJ Nets game a few weeks ago.
 
http://www.nba.com/nets/video/2010/01/25/JOANGoldman012210mov-1210034/index.html

wonderful to see this update in david's own words!! :clapping:;):D
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: phillyone on January 27, 2010, 03:56:12 PM
Quote from: kitty97lover;66751
An interview with David at the NJ Nets game a few weeks ago.
 
http://www.nba.com/nets/video/2010/01/25/JOANGoldman012210mov-1210034/index.html

Thank You for this! It's so nice to hear they are doing well.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Sashia on January 27, 2010, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: Motherof2;66750
Ricardo Zamarialo, attorney for David Goldman on DadsDivorcelive.
 
http://www.dadsdivorce.com/audio/GoldmanBrazilCase.mp3
This was an excellent interview...Kudos to Ricardo !!
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: kitty97lover on January 27, 2010, 10:09:54 PM
An interesting conversation between Diane Sawyer and another ABC correspondent on how David was counseled to expect the worst regarding Sean's reaction when the hand over took place.  Thankfully, what must have been David's worst fears did not come true.  
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6gYlZkUtoA
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Elizabeth on January 27, 2010, 11:47:07 PM
David was counseled that Sean might be "kicking and screaming" at the handover.  Actually it was the adults who were kicking and screaming while Sean acted like like a mature adult.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: margie on January 28, 2010, 08:52:52 PM
Quote from: Elizabeth123;66803
David was counseled that Sean might be "kicking and screaming" at the handover.  Actually it was the adults who were kicking and screaming while Sean acted like like a mature adult.

Couldn't agree more! I was really turned off by Diane Sawyer's account of what she thought might happen.

Margie
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JonathanR on February 05, 2010, 01:29:14 AM
david and sean are mentioned in a recent article about another new jersey man whose wife has also abducted their child....
 
http://www.nj.com/gloucester/index.ssf?/base/news-1/1265091034109520.xml&coll=8
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: LukieD on February 05, 2010, 09:39:39 AM
Quote from: JonathanR;67280
david and sean are mentioned in a recent article about another new jersey man whose wife has also abducted their child....
 
http://www.nj.com/gloucester/index.ssf?/base/news-1/1265091034109520.xml&coll=8

That case is currently being discussed on this thread:
 
http://bringseanhome.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2867
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: Hanna on February 05, 2010, 11:18:21 AM
Interesting fact.

Every time I type the name "David Goldman" in Google in order to get the latest news on how Sean and David are doing, this photographer who's also called David Goldman comes up. I bet he is happy he's getting all this hit on google even though we are all searching for someone else. Now, I type 'David and Sean Goldman' instead.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JonathanR on February 27, 2010, 09:59:40 PM
forgot to mention - foxnews today, amidst the tsunami coverage, had a piece on liam mccarty's case, from italy. if i heard correctly, is this coming to a positive resolution in italy?
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: sue on February 27, 2010, 10:58:04 PM
I sure hope so.  I think they want him to come over and spend time with his son, hopefully to get this resolved.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JonathanR on March 15, 2010, 03:37:01 AM
McGinley, of Hudson county, loses custody of his son to wife who abducted their son to Slovakia. Hague ruled in favor afew times, but a supreme court ruling let the child pick where to live.   :madgo

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2010/03/hudson_county_father_loses_cus.html (http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2010/03/hudson_county_father_loses_cus.html)

Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JonathanR on April 05, 2010, 12:00:37 PM
Latest release from Asbury Park Press....

http://www.app.com/article/20100405/NEWS/100405031/1007/NEWS03/Visitation-dispute-arises-in-Sean-Goldman-case (http://www.app.com/article/20100405/NEWS/100405031/1007/NEWS03/Visitation-dispute-arises-in-Sean-Goldman-case)


Hope David's staying calm, although he really has no reason I guess to get all flustered over this....
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JonathanR on April 05, 2010, 12:21:01 PM
AP has just released the story as well, and of course David taking the high road and not making a big deal of this to media, etc.

I'm a little annoyed to read the words of the Bianchi-Ribeiro's American attorney, saying that David's motions cannot erase the presence of Sean's Brazilian family in his life. Not hat this is some profound statement, but certain lawyers will say and do anything for money! Imagine being an attorney hired to defend the 9/11 perpetrators!! :(
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: todez on April 05, 2010, 09:21:31 PM
I'm more than annoyed by his words:

"It's a sad situation; I think it's a terrible thing for this boy," Wolfe said. "You can't erase that side of his family."

Isn't this exactly what Nona & Clan did to David?!  Yet Wolfboy doesn't mention that in all, does he?!  He's as arrogant and manipulative as the low-lifes he represents.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JonathanR on April 07, 2010, 03:02:22 PM
Nice opinion piece from alternet.org

Posted by Shelly Strauss Rollison at 9:29 am
April 6, 2010 COMMENT NOW! Now the Shoes on the Other Foot
For five years, David Goldman fought to bring his son home after the boy’s mother died giving birth to another child in Brazil. The boys step-father and grandparents, wealthy Brazilians, refused to allow the boy to see his father. For more than four years, these people could have allowed this man to maintain a relationship with his son while the custody battle dragged on. (The boy’s mother took him to Brazil and, while there, filed for divorce from the Goldman, so he had no chance to even file custody papers before she left. In the US, the case was considered a child abduction.)

In January, the grandparents flew to the US from Brazil and wanted to see their grandson. The father said (paraphrasing), “Sure, as long as there’s a mental health professional present and we follow a schedule that will allow you to see him more and more.” Well, that wasn’t good enough for the grandparents and they didn’t want any part of that  so they filed an emergency application to see the boy. A judge denied that request because he said there is no emergency. The grandparents’ attorney was quoted as saying, “It’s a sad situation; I think it’s a terrible thing for this boy. You can’t erase that side of his family.”

Excuse me? What exactly did his grandparents think they were doing when they withheld this boy’s father from him for more than five years? Did they give the father visitation the first month after he came to see the boy? Now the shoes on the other foot and they’re not liking how it feels. It’s called karma, folks. You get back what you put out and if you don’t like what you get back, then you gotta change what you put out. You can complain all you want about what you’re getting back, but you only have yourself to blame. Accept it with grace, learn your lesson and move on.

I completely understand the father’s point of view. These people withheld his child from him for more than five years and less than six months after reuniting with his child, the grandparents apparently want unlimited access to the boy? If it were me, I’d do the same thing the father is doing: involve mental health professionals, limit the time the grandparents can see the child and definitely have supervision when they’re visiting him. They took him from his father once. Once bitten, twice shy.
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: JonathanR on April 17, 2010, 01:24:16 AM
latest from brazzil mag.... :biggrin

David Goldman Wins Another One in a Brazilian Court. The Lins e Silvas Must Pay Costs       
2010 - April 2010 
Written by José Wilson Miranda     
Friday, 16 April 2010 23:31 
Another scene of the drama involving American David Goldman and his son Sean who was taken from by the mother when the boy was 4 to live in Brazil unfolded in a Brazilian court. Goldman won a lawsuit in which the Brazilian family wanted money for all the American's alleged badmouthing about them.

Sean's stepfather, Brazilian João Paulo Lins e Silva, a very rich and famous lawyer and his father, Paulo Malta Lins e Silva, also a lawyer, had filed a lawsuit against Goldman asking for compensation for moral damages. A Rio court denied the request.

The decision, which can still be appealed, was taken by Rio de Janeiro's 13th Civil Court. The plaintiffs were sentenced to pay court costs plus attorney's fees fixed in 20% of the cause's value.

In the lawsuit the Lins e Silvas argued the "good image of the lawyers" was damaged by the "irresponsible and inappropriate behavior" of Goldman, who "did all he could to make the lives of the authors into a real hell." They complained Goldman had called Sean's Brazilian family kidnappers.

Sean family in Brazil said also that the website maintained by Goldman Bring Sean Home hurts does harm to the Lins e Silvas' honor with its "clear intention of collecting money."

The lawsuit text supports the argument that the Bring Sean Home campaign made by Goldman and his friends on the Internet was a direct and aggressive attack against the Lins e Silva family and Brazil's whole justice institution.

Father and son also say that Goldman's campaign to get his son back ended up harming their legal career. Paulo Lins e Silva noted that the organizers of a conference in Buenos Aires, Argentina, canceled his participation as a speaker after he appeared in the news.

Goldman's defense argued that the site Bring Sean Home was not created by him but by friends who were touched by his struggle to get his son back to the United States. On the interviews to the press, the defense argued that the authors didn't present any content that could prove the "violation of honor."

In its decision the court observed that there is no evidence that Goldman's campaign had anything to do with the cancellation. Judge Ledir Dias de Araújo said that most likely the reason was that Lins e Silva was considered as someone who lacked exemption to make a speech since he was experiencing in his own life a theme he was going to discuss.

Araújo also wrote that "much of the manifestations expressed by the defendant (David) were legal decisions. Thus, they are not random events or personal opinions, but based on sources. As for moral damage, this is the human suffering, pain, sorrow, sadness unfairly imposed on others." All in all Goldman was just exercising his freedom of expression.

The judge concluded that she had not seen any practice of the defendant that might have caused moral damage to the authors, since the American didn't commit any illegal actions capable of offending the morals of the authors, having only exercised his right to express himself, without any excess.
 
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: sara on April 23, 2010, 03:12:36 PM
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1983705,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1983705,00.html)
Title: Re: More media coverage...
Post by: M.Capestro on April 27, 2010, 07:33:00 AM
From the Asbury Park Press Opinions section -- April 26

Boy's human rights denied for years
http://www.app.com/article/20100426/OPINION04/4260306/1028/OPINION/Boy-s-human-rights-denied-for-years

Regarding the April 6 article "New dispute over boy brought to NJ from Brazil" on the Sean Goldman case, I can't believe the gall of the Brazilian relatives citing human rights violations.

It seems to me that Sean's human rights had been violated for the past five years by that family keeping him away from his father, refusing to let David Goldman visit or be in touch with his son.

Only after the news media picked up this story and Rep. Chris Smith championed his cause was Goldman finally allowed to see his son, under tight security. These people are all heart.

After worldwide outrage, some prodding from our president, our state department and Congress, the Brazilian high court returned Sean to his father and allowed them to come home.

But right to the very end, the family showed its true colors in the debacle of the stepfather leading a frightened boy into the American Embassy through a mob of reporters with microphones and cameras, yelling questions. He had been offered another way in to avoid the commotion.

If you care for someone, how do you allow this? Shame on them.

Dorothy Stern
SPRING LAKE